Bowring - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: Charles Bowring

rachelwalden68 — 2009-08-14 19:42:18Z

Hi Chris

I've just sent you a message via your webpage. It would be lovely to compare information. I'm keen to find out more about Adria and William, i.e. marriage certificate - there seems to be a lot of confusion over Adria.

Rachel

Re: Bowrings of UK and Newfoundland

MRennie — 2009-07-28 14:14:01Z

Just a note to say that I am switching to MWRennie@aol.com as my main contact e-mail. Recently my activity has been an all persons pre-20th century Scottish Nish investigation. This is only of interest to the John Bowring Rennie descendants as his wife's grandmother was a Nish. Currently I have records for a few thousand Nish and mostly grouped into two to three hundred families with different percentages of unmatched records for each data source.

Re: Bowrings of UK and Newfoundland

ljsquire1 — 2009-07-27 22:24:41Z

Hello Cassandra,

I am Catherines great, great, great grandaughter. I am 50 and live in Renton, WA. Michael Rennie has done a lot of research and has ton of great info. I also have a copy of Catherine's diary. (not on-line). It's fairly lengthy.

Good luck with your research. Feel free to email me if I can help in any way. lj_squire@yahoo.com.

Laura Squire

Re: Bowrings of UK and Newfoundland

MRennie — 2009-07-26 19:58:19Z

Cassandra,

I may reached directly at MWRennie@aol.com. I will try to remember to bring in the diary tomorrow. Both Catherine's brother's went to New York from Glasgow. Catherine's parents followed briefly but returned to Glasgow and her father died shortly thereafter. -- As did one of the brothers who Catherine sees in Glasgow on her 1870 trip. The other brother died in New York having had 2 children. One of the brothers had a child who married a preist in Newfoundland that returned to England but the evidence I have regarding which brother's child that Jean Wishart McNab was is ambiguous to me. I never found the death record for the brother that returned to Glasgow -- maybe he went to England(?). I have lots of documents that apply to the McNabs though my identification of Catherine McNab's paternal grandparents is problematical. (I have a lot more on the maternal side). I do not have the original 1870 diary but a copy of a transcript made by my grandfather's cousin in Newfoundland in the 1960s. I probably have a lot of documents and evidence that would interest you.

Michael

Re: Bowrings of UK and Newfoundland

cpmagenta — 2009-07-25 19:05:45Z

Hello I hope I can still contact you as I am also a relation of Catherine Thorburn Rennie (nee Mcnab) - I am 43 and live in London, England. She is my Great Great Great Aunt! I am very interested in your diary of her visit to the UK in 1870 as it may hold the key to my family research - I have done a lot of research this year into this line and I am trying to find out all about her only brother John Gemmell Mcnab and his daughter Jeannie or Jean Wishart McNab. Who did John marry in particular and where did he live most of his life? I am sure Catherine will mention John and Jeannie as they were close to her. Is there any way I can see a copy of this diary online I wonder? I do hope to hear back from you soon - how exciting to finally find a relation who knows all about this.

Kind regards

Cassandra Pearson

Re: Charles Bowring

risffilc — 2009-07-07 10:49:52Z

HI Chris.
I to come from The Bowering -IRONSIDE(my side)Line.
Here is my email .
js007v3531@blueyonder.co.uk.
Would love to hear from you.
Sadly,i have not renewed my Ancestry membership.
Regards From Jean.

Re: Charles Bowring

twopins — 2009-07-06 13:38:43Z

Hi Rachael, this is my family too. Charles Bowring is my first cousin 5x removed I come from the William Bowring Adria Ironside line.

I am happy to share any info with you
cheers
Chris

Re: Charles Bowring

rachelwalden68 — 2009-07-05 13:12:58Z

This is also my Bowring line with the Ironside/Long Bredy connection. My great-great grandmother being Edith Bowring, daughter of Levi and Sarah. Would love to correspond. Thanks Rachel

grace

kirstytylor — 2009-04-24 14:08:54Z

My great grandfather George Grace once lived George cottage the common Bromley and married Phillis Coleby. They had a son Thomas grace who married Nora Elizabeth Cope aug 21st 1922. (My grandparents.)

Re: Calling all Bowring's

LucindaFouch20 — 2009-01-12 12:09:30Z

I have been fascinated reading the Bowring Message Board. I am only a distantly related, my g.g.g.g.grandfather was Thomas LANE b. 1726 Glos., UK d. 1784 St. Ives, Cornwall (Vicar of St Ives). My records suggest that he had 5 sons and 3 daughters. One of the daughters, Sarah Jane Anne LANE b 1770 St Ives married Charles BOWRING (Exeter) and I have Sir John BOWRING as their descendent.

This family connection is reconfirmed by a reference to Sir John being introduced to the navy by his uncle Captain Odiarne Morgan LANE. And later, in 1856, my great grandfather's brother Odiarne Tremayne LANE is killed in battle having been requisitioned to his Uncle's regiment.

If anyone has information relating to Charles Bowring or more information relating to Sir John, I would be very grateful

LANE - Australia

LucindaFouch20 — 2009-01-06 19:23:25Z

I am interested in two relatives: Henry Wills Lane (born Clifton, UK 1849) emigrated to Australia with his wife Emily Williams (1870s or 1880s). I have sketchy information regarding their 3 children Tremayne, George and Hazel and grandchildren Wilma Lane and Nancy Steele. Henry Wills Lane was my great, great Uncle.

I would also be very grateful to receive any information concerning Christopher Edgar LANE and Eric Bruce Lane who both emigrated to Australia in the 1920s.

Any help would be much appreciated

Re: The Bowring Link to Odiarne Coates Lane

fultonbrown — 2008-12-30 03:14:03Z

Found this in Vancouver Sun:
Armstrong, Irene Yvonne - ARMSTRONG _ (nee Lane) Irene Yvonne, known with affection by her family and friends as Donnie, in her 84th year, passed away on June 19th, 2007

She was the last of Jennie's 3 children.

Re: The Bowring Link to Odiarne Coates Lane

traceyg179 — 2008-12-18 01:17:11Z

Thank you for your response. Do you know if any of Hylton & Jenny's daughters are still alive. My father-in-law George Odiarne Lane (son of George W Lane) used to hear from his cousin "Dunnie" every year but hasn't heard from her in more than an year.

Thank you.

Re: Bowrings in Derby

gloryer1 — 2008-12-13 08:18:19Z

Do you have anything on an Anne Bowring c 1864 I believe her father is Nicholas
Gloria

Re: The Bowring Link to Odiarne Coates Lane

fultonbrown — 2008-12-13 03:04:13Z

Funeral record for O.C. Lane
http://www.nwpl.ca/bowell/bowell.php?operation=Display&i...

Son Hylton Roche Lane was married to my aunt Jenny (Brown). He was shot near Armstrong, BC in 1947. His funeral is also in Bowell's archive.

Re: Calling all Bowring's

thornwillowfilter — 2008-10-20 21:55:01Z

Hello

Philip Francis Bowring was my great grandfather, my fathers name is also Philip Francis. Let me know what you would like to know, I have some information on the family and I'd be happy to help.

Claire Bowring.

Re: Calling all Bowring's

Roland1932 — 2008-10-20 18:20:33Z

Looking for information on the family of Philip Francis Bowring

Re: Bowering Tree

AudreyClement69 — 2008-10-03 09:05:42Z

Hi Bill
I came across your details when I was searching for info on my family tree. My grt grt grandmother was Ellen Bowering, but I am having difficulty tracking her down. She was born in Torquay in 1880 and appears in the 1881 census with her family, but I cannot find birth details for her or any of her siblings. On the 1891 census appears with her father but a different mother. They are registered as having different places of birth between the 2 census. Her father was called Richard Bowering/Bowern/Bowren and he was born in Jersey in 1841, again he is proving quite elusive. Have you come across any of this on your search?
Look forward to hearing from you.
Regards
Audrey

Re: Calling all Bowring's

2006-12-02 21:14:10Z

Joan
Please don't rely on the "E" being there. With my BOWRINGS from Dorset, with a line coming to
NZ the "E" comes & goes even up to the early 1900s.
Barbara

Re: Calling all Bowring's

paulinetyrrell — 2007-05-27 00:05:10Z

I am tracing my Ware family line. A relation, Patricia Elizabeth Stoney married Aubrey Charles Bowring. Is there any connection

William, b.c. 1779 of Kentisbeer, m. 1807 Harriett Powell

mawentling — 2007-04-18 20:39:57Z

Hello!

I am new to this message board.

I am seeking the ancestry of William Bowring, who in the 1851 census of Wootton Fitzpaine, Dorset, indicated that he was 72 years of age (roughly 1779 birth year) and was born at Kentisbear, Devon.

On 3 December 1807 at Whitchurch Canonicorum, Dorset, William married Harriett Powell, born circa 1781 at either Whitchurch or at Wootton Fitzpaine (she reported both in census, but is not found in baptismal registers at either place).

William & Harriett had the following children:

1. Mary Ann, baptized 24 December 1809 at Wootton Fitzpaine, Dorset, England; married George Gillingham.
2. Ann, baptized 29 November 1812 at Wootton Fitzpaine, Dorset, England.
3. Elizabeth, also baptized 29 November 1812 at Wootton Fitzpaine, Dorset, England.
4. Sarah (my direct ancestor), baptized 13 August 1815 at Wootton Fitzpaine, Dorset, England, died 1860 in Hounsfield, Jefferson Co., New York; married 24 December 1835 at Wootton Fitzpaine, Dorset, England, Robert Stokes of Hawkchurch, Dorset, died 1863 in Hounsfield, Jefferson Co., New York.
5. Emma, baptized 15 November 1818 at Wootton Fitzpaine, Dorset, England
6. Hannah, 27 November 1820 at Wootton Fitzpaine, Dorset, England.
7. William, baptized 9 May 1824 at Wootton Fitzpaine, Dorset, England.
8. Harriett, baptized 18 November 1827 at Wootton Fitzpaine, Dorset, England.

Any assistance in next steps for determining William's ancestry would be grately appreciated!

Thank you,
Mark Wentling

Re: The Bowring Link to Odiarne Coates Lane

LucindaFouch20 — 2007-11-20 23:24:12Z

The name Odiarne relates to the Odiarne family to whom we are related. Odiarne Coates Lane's g.g. grandmother was Sarah Odiarne (1673-1744) who was the daughter of Thomas Odiarne (1639-1704) and granddaughter of Stephen Odiarne Esq. of Wittersham, Isle of Oxney, Kent. There is a coat of arms relating to the Odiarne family (a chevron between two cups on a field of sable) which was noted by John Tremayne Lane and apparently appears on a tombstone of Richard Odiarne in the chancel of St. Clements Church in Sandwich, Kent

Re: The Bowring Link to Odiarne Coates Lane

LucindaFouch20 — 2007-11-20 23:07:57Z

I am fortunate enough to be in possession of a brief biog. which I believe to have been written by my g.g.grandfather Odiarne Coates Lane. It begins... 'I was born at St. Ives, Cornwall on the 14th July 1793 (the day on which the Prison of the Bastille was destroyed) my father was also a native of the town and practiced as a Surgeon, his father having been settled there as clergyman of that parish with Trewednock, a neighbouring village. My father (Thomas Lane) had two brothers and three sisters, Odiarne Morgan died in the East Indies, a lieutenant in the navy, Baker, Commander of a Letter of ?Morgue?, who also died at an early age. Sarah married Charles Bowering of Exeter (this gives us the Sir John Bowring link), Margaret died young and Lucy who lived to be eighty years of age". Unfortunately, his father contracts some horrible rheumatic fever and following a lengthy illness contracts what would seem to be pneumonia following a violent storm "my dear Father was drenched to the skin, he took cold which settled on his lungs and in three weeks he was no more". (dated 1801). Odiarne is only 7 or 8 years old. They are taken in by family, he talks of his mother's only sister, the wife of a Captain in the Navy, living in Bristol. They leave Cornwall in 1802, spending a month with the Bowrings in Exeter before arriving in Bristol. His mother finds Odiarne a "commercial school conducted by Mr. Benjamin Donne, to whose care I was consigned". He remains there until June 1804 when a friend of his Aunt's arrives and sets up a 'classical school' three miles from Bristol. He remains here until 1808. At fifteen years of age he is required to find some employment. He joins Bulgin the Bookseller as an apprentice for six years. He is then advised to seek some general knowledge of business which he finds through the family's connections with a Stephen Priest Esq. In April 1814, he describes his first trip to London, by one of Froment's fly coaches, to visit his Aunt Lane. He spends three months "in town", making Mr. J Bowring's house in London Fields, Hackney and his Aunt's in the Strand his home. He eventually acquires a bookselling and stationery business in Clifton, Bristol. At this point, he also acquires No. 6 Sion Place and moves his mother and aunt in with him. Within three years, he has increased takings from £700 per annum to £3,000. He commenced his business on the 20th October 1817 and retires from it 31st December 1846.

Unfortunately, the account is not signed and he does hint that he will write more but I am only fortunate to have this one.

You are probably aware that he and Mary Elizabeth Spernon (sorry did I say he married Elizabeth Jane, she was his mother) had twelve children. I am guessing that your husband is a descendent of John Tremayne Lane. Can you confirm this for me. I would be interested in any information you are able to share.

P.S. I am a British national.

Re: The Bowring Link to Odiarne Coates Lane

LucindaFouch20 — 2007-11-13 22:34:17Z

I have a list of antecedents for Odiarne Coates Lane dating back to 1578! Odiarne Coates Lane's father was Thomas Lane, a surgeon born at St. Ives, Cornwall in 1762. He married Elizabeth Jane, daughter of Bennett Jane of Helston, Cornwall. I am a descendent of Odiarne Coates Lane's youngest son Maynard Bowring Henley Lane.

Re: The Bowring Link to Odiarne Coates Lane

LucindaFouch20 — 2007-11-28 23:51:44Z

Tracey, I should warn you that my primary source is the Family Bible and that most of the information was provided by John Tremayne Lane! In his defence, I should add that names and dates have generally been found to be valid and accurate.

Unfortunately, there is little information available on the wife of John Tremayne Lane. She is listed as Eleanor Harding, daughter of John Harding of Cork, artist. The date of their marriage 9 Sept. 1838.

With regards to the twelve children. There was a still birth in 1840 and the birth of a son Octavius Maynard Lane, b. 21 Aug 1847 d. 4 Feb 1848. There was also a daughter Lucilla Mary Elizabeth Lane, (b. 3 Aug 1852 d. 12 July 1906) She was my grandmother's godmother and I inherited a rather fine watercolour portrait of her. I felt slightly compelled to do some research and this is what I have uncovered so far...

She married Philip C. C. Russell from Ireland in Clifton in 1873 and they moved to London (14 St. John's Park, Islington) where Philip Russell worked as a wine merchant. She gives birth to a baby girl Mary Tremayne Digby Russell (b. March 1876 d. Sept. 1876) Lucilla Mary Digby Russell is born the following year in 1877 and a son Christopher Tremayne Digby Russell is born in 1878. In 1880 she has another daughter Rosalie A. D. Russell. In June 1881, Philip Russell dies. In the 1891 census Lucilla and Rosalie are listed as pupil boarders at Woolsthorpe, Lincolnshire and Christopher Tremayne is a pupil boarder at Christ's Hospital in London. In 1889 Lucilla Mary (nee Lane) Russell remarries Dr. Henry Hamilton and is now living in Wymondham in Leicestershire. In December 1895 she has a son Henry Russell Hamilton in Melton Mowbray. By 1901, the census lists them in Brighton, East Sussex. In July 1906 Lucilla Mary Elizabeth Lane dies. Unfortunately, I haven't managed to move any further forwards on this. I felt slightly uncomfortable to discover that she latterly lived in Brighton as this is where I have spent most of my adult life.

Many thanks for the information on your husband's family. Recently, I corresponded with a descendent of Mary Elizabeth Tremayne Lane who was apparently known as Granny Gib as she had married a naval surgeon commander called George Gibson. She and George had five children, four girls and a boy. The boy was Jack Tremayne Gibson. He was killed in WW2 and is buried at Geel Cemetary in Belgium. He had no issue. She also had a little information regarding Laura Cecilia J T Lane who apparently married Charles Prince and had a son called John. I don't know if this helps.

This same correspondent also had a link to suggest that we are descendents (through the female line) of King Edward I. She alleges that this link lies via Mary Elizabeth Spernon Tremayne whose g-g-g-g-g-g grandmother was an Edgecombe, a descendant of Edward I's daughter Elizabeth (or Isabel) Plantagenet. Food for thought!!!

Re: Calling all Bowring's

thornwillowfilter — 2007-01-09 13:54:10Z

I'm just starting out in the Bowring research, so any help would be greatly appreciated !

I've been told that our family is related to Sir John Bowring, as a few others have mentioned.

My grandfather was Philip Bowring, his father was Philip Francis Bowring b.1871 West Alvington. Lewin Bentham Bowring is also related somewhere.

If you have any information on Philip Francis Bowring, his son, or any Bowrings I would be grateful.

Many thanks

Claire Bowring.

Re: Bowering Tree

michellerogers5064 — 2007-05-31 09:28:08Z

Hi
I have just come across your message about the Bowrings.
I would love to have a copy of your family tree that you mention.
I am not from those two lines but would appreciate the family information.
I have gone back the earliest i can which is 1793.

Your respose would be greatly appreciated.

Kind regards

Michelle Rogers
Sydney NSW Australia

Re: Scotland

kishorenaidu — 2008-07-26 15:17:38Z

Hi Dundan,

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Re: The Bowring Link to Odiarne Coates Lane

traceyg179 — 2007-11-26 20:13:32Z

Lucinda, Thank you so much for the info below. Here is some for you regarding my husbands' family, as well as some questions for you:

You are correct, my husband is decended from John Tremayne Lane and Eleanor ?maiden name? born in Cork, Ireland abt. 1821. They had 5 children, Odiarn Coates, born 1867, Emily L.E., born 1869, George T.S.T. born 1870, Laura C.J. born 1871, and Mary E. born 1875.

Odiarn Coates Lane married Bessie Phoebe Self, daughther of Christopher T Self and Ursula Mary Millward. Bessie was born in Landour, West Bengal, India (as were her 2 sisters)on 24 May 1865, the dad was serving in the Army. Odiarn and Bessie immigrated to Kansas, USA through New York City. They had 4 children all born in Kansas, USA. Mary Eleanor, born 1892, Odiarn H R, born 1894, John L, born 1895, and George William, (my husbands grandfather) born 1899. They lived in Kansas farming for approx 20 years and eventually Bessie suffered severe allergies. They decided to move west looking for farms in Washington State and Oregon. The story goes that they were shown a large farm in Cloverdale, British Columbia, Canada with a house already built for a great price and they snapped it up.

Odiarn H.R. may have moved back to England at some point, I've not been able to verify this but my father-in-law said Odiarn H.R. had a son named Brian who was a pilot for the RAF during WWII, who died.

The father Odiarn Coates died 22 Feb 1950 in Cloverdale, BC, Canada, Bessie Phoebe died 9 March 1934 in Cloverdale also.

Son George William Lane, married Cecilia Harper, born 1899 in Edinborough, Scotland and had 1 son, George Odiarn Lane (my father-in-law). George O was born 30 Aprl 1927 in New Westminster, British Columbia, England. George W and Cecilia had no other children.

My father-in-law, George O, married Catherine Beatrice Anne O'Malley, born 16 Dec 1931 in Canada. They had 2 sons before divorcing. Kerry Odiarn, born 16 Nov 1947 and Richard William born 11 Aug 1950. George remarried a woman named Verna Bloedow, from Calgary, Ontario, Canada--they are still married. They moved to Northern California in 1958 in search of work. They currently live in Danville, CA, USA.

Kerry is unmarried and lives in West Vancouver, BC, Canada. Catherine Beatrice Anne O'Malley is still alive living in Lardner, BC, Canada.

My husband Richard and I married 26 Sep 1998 in Pleasant Hill, CA, USA where we live. We had a son, Mitchell Greenwood Lane born 27 June 1997, he is 10. As far as we know he is the last surviving Lane family male in the US/Canada.

I was born in Waltham, Massachusetts, USA on April 26, 1962. Oldest daughter of Edward James Greenwood and Joan Margaret Lillian Anne Harvey.

FYI, I (Tracey Anne Greenwood) am a direct decendent of Mayflower passengers Myles Standish and Edward Doty.

Now for my questions! Do you have any details re John Tremayne Lane's wife Eleanor? You mention Odiarn Coates and Mary Elizabeth Spernon Tremayne had 12 children, I only know of 9; Odiare Tremayne, William Thomas, John Tremayne, Charles Heary, Albert Grant, Henry Willis, Frederick Warne, Odiarne N and your ancestor, Maynard Bowring H. Who am I missing?

Please let me know also if I have any misinformation.

Re: The Bowring Link to Odiarne Coates Lane

traceyg179 — 2007-11-13 21:34:11Z

I am looking for info on Odiarne Coats Lane, I have married into the Lane family in the US and am researching my husbands family. Does anyone know the names of Odiarne Coates Lane's parents? I can fill you in on the US/Canada/US Lanes.

Re: The Bowring Link to Odiarne Coates Lane

traceyg179 — 2007-11-20 17:36:36Z

I'd love to hear your info. I can't seem to find any details on his parents, any dates etc. I do see mention of their names in Bios of Odiarne C but I can't find anything else. Do you have any idea whre the name Odiarne comes from? You also mentioned Bennett Jane as the father of Odiarne's mother, I can't find anything on him either.

I'd love any info you could provide!

PS are you in the UK or the US?

Re: Bowering Tree

mrsjeys — 2008-05-01 21:45:53Z

Do you still have the information and are willing to share?
If so I would live to see it. My great grandfather was Ralph Everett Bowring b. abt 1899 and I cannot find any info about his parents. Nothing, not their names, birth dates or even a clue about them.
thank you for any help you may offer.

Conard

mrsjeys — 2008-04-24 15:09:31Z

looking for info on Gertrude Conard(Bowring). Father's name was Robert M Conard her mother's name was Mary C Liddy? They lived in Inman, Nebraska in the early 1920s and 30s
Thank you.

Bowring in Nebraska or Idaho

mrsjeys — 2008-04-24 15:07:27Z

My Grandmother's maiden name was Bowring. Her father's name was Ralph Everett Bowring. I am trying to find any info on who his parents were, where he was born, siblings if any.
I know that my grandmother was born in Nebraska and that her father and step-mother Alice are buried in Kuna, Idaho.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.

Re: Bowrings of UK and Newfoundland

ljsquire1 — 2008-03-03 21:18:59Z

Just found this thread. I'm definitely related to you folks. My great grandfather was John Rennie, son of William F. Rennie and Catherine Thorburn McNab. I also have a copy of her diary to England in 1870. I would like to find out who else is related? I would also love to see those pictures!!

Re: Bowering Tree

mathewjames_1 — 2007-11-16 12:09:47Z

Hi Bill

I noticed your posting on the Bowering family, and would be grateful if I could receive a copy of the family tree you mention, as I am researching my gggm Mercy Bowering who was born in Chard, Somerset, circa 1818. She married a Solomon Hann from Somerset. I can't seem to find any info on Mercy at all, although I have found their marriage details and details of their children.

Any help would be appreciated.

Many thanks

Matt

Re: Bowering Tree

mathewjames_1 — 2007-11-14 12:01:57Z

I am researching my family line - Mercy Bowering born in Chard, Somerset circa 1820s - I cannot find anything else out about her. Does she fit into your family tree somewhere?

Any info would be appreciated.

Many thanks

Re: Bowrings of UK and Newfoundland

MRennie — 2007-01-02 15:54:32Z

There is a fair amount of Bowring detail in the various England censuses now on-line at ancestry and of course there is the 1870 trip diary of Mary Rennie's step-mother Catherine Thorburn McNab/Rennie (2nd wife of William Fredericck Rennie). A newer development for me is that one of Mary Rennie's half-sister's moved to England towards the end of her life and a descendant of hers now lives in Scotland and actually had pictures of Catherine Thorburn McNab/Rennie and William Frederick Rennie amongst others. I am not sure if he had any Bowring pictures.

Re: Bowrings of UK and Newfoundland

MRennie — 2008-08-18 16:48:04Z

Stuart and Rennie owned ships as well. When the fishing market crash hit (causing many fishermen to go bankrupt and thus default on their debts to merchants)and St Johns burned down Stuart and Rennie and there partners were the biggest sponsors of fishermen in Newfoundland and so would have lost a lot. David Rennie seems to have bought the ship Alexander on his own account in order to diversify his investments and in particular to bring settlers to the 21,000 acres of land he owned on Prince Edward Island. This land was managed at the time by his wife's brother, Peter McAuslan, who lived on Prince Edward Island. Peter invested heavily in his property near David Rennie's land hoping to take advantage of the investments David Rennie made and suffered financially when that investment slowed. There are three possible reasons for the slowdown in his plans that I have thought of:
the death of David Rennie's wife in 1821 meant he had less motive to invest in a project being managed by his brother-in-law and stepson
the partial recovery of the fishing market
perhaps an onset of the illness leading to his death in 1823
I would be very interested in any involvement of David Rennie in new places I have not researched but I had not previously assigned any significance to his buying a ship built there.

Re: Bowrings of UK and Newfoundland

MRennie — 2008-08-18 16:30:03Z

Note that David Rennie's wife was born in Glasgow but living in St Johns Newfoundland when he met her. Of the 4 recorded birth witness after returning to Glasgow: two are related to David Rennie's wife and one is William Mill, later provost of Glasgow, seems to have into the family of his Stuart partners. I forget who the 4th birth witness was but he may also have been related to David Rennie's partners. Even though David Rennie probably lost a lot of money in the fishing market crash after the end of the Napoleanic war (1815) he was still worth 13,000 pounds or so if I remember correctly when he died not counting his property. The evidence suggests that he helped his relatives some. Both his wife's brother and the mysterious Robert Orr owed him on the order of 500 pounds considered uncollectable at this death if I remember correctly. Other larger debtors to his estate have been harder to track.

Re: Bowrings of UK and Newfoundland

MRennie — 2008-03-03 22:03:53Z

I am also descended from John Bowring Rennie through his son George Dewey Rennie b. Spokane Washington.
Without my notes which are at home I can only remember parts of the details. William Frederick Rennie is related to the Bowring through his 1st wife's children. The children by his 2nd wife whose descendants I have been in contact with at one time or another include: Helen Rennie who married in Scotland and then moved to Australia. I was in contact with an Australian of this line. Archibald Rennie moved to Quebec and the line died with his spinster daughter but she was in contact with my family before she died. Robert Rennie remained in Newfoundland and those children that remained in Newfoundland died childless. However, one daughter married in England to Lancelot Heygate but divorced later and I think this might be the line that ended up in South Africa. Another daughter married a Withers and retired to England and her descendants live in Scotland and one is in occasional contact.
Besides our line in the USA there are also descendants of William Frederick Rennie's greatgrandfather (Wright line from Haddington Scotland) that I am in contact with. I may be contacted directly at MARCmath@aol.com. --- Looking forward to hearing from you -- Michael Rennie

Re: Bowrings of UK and Newfoundland

MRennie — 2008-08-18 14:14:46Z

My Rennie line traces back to David Rennie who first appears in St Johns Newfoundland in 1790 when permanent structures besides fish processing buildings (fishing rooms) were not allowed to prevent a native element from forming to compete with English+Scottish fishermen. Initially David loaned money to Newfoundland sold them goods and bought their fish and was 50% partner in the Newfoundland operations of Stuart & Co in Greenock Scotland(Stuart & Rennie in Newfoundland). David left Newoundland permanently in 1810 and returned to Glasgow having married in 1807. He helped a few cousin's of his wife but I have not seen any solid evidence of Rennie relatives. The writer who did business in Glasgow for Stuart and Rennie (Nathaniel Stevenson) did marry the granddaughter of a Rennie but I have no evidence that this was a relative. David Rennie had 5 children before he died in 1823 but there are no leads there that would help you. There is a person named Robert Orr from Greenock who settled on land in Prince Edward Island from David Rennie and whose obituary claimed him to be David Rennie's brother but that lead has gone nowhere and it is unclear how loosely the word "brother" was being used.

Re: Bowrings of UK and Newfoundland

MRennie — 2008-03-03 22:37:34Z

The diary is to big too big to post here but I can send it in a word file if you send me an e-mail address to send it too. My e-mail address is MARCmath@aol.com or if Ancestry deletes it for some reason my e-mail address can probably be found on the PEI (Prince Edward Island) Register website or Newfoundland Grand Banks web site where I have posted various things. (Note the Bowring family owned land on PEI fairly early on though a little later than the Rennie's.)

Re: The Bowring Link to Odiarne Coates Lane

7EllDer — 2008-04-18 07:48:04Z

The Odiorne (spelled in a variety of ways) family lived in the parish of Sheviock, Cornwall, from the early 1400's until the early 1700's. Three members settled in New Hampshire in the 1600's. Odiornes in the US (and a couple of us who now lived in the UK) descend from John Odiorne, 1628/9-1707.

The Kent-based Odiarne family has, as far as I have been
able to determine, no link with the Sheviock Odiornes. But I'm still looking, especially as the Sheviock family had many maritime links.

Any information on the earliest use of the name 'Odiarne'
in your family might be a clue to seeing if the
last Sheviock-area Odiornes are linked to your family.
Thanks.

Re: Bowrings of UK and Newfoundland

amcknight124 — 2008-08-18 16:21:51Z

I suppose you have seen all the land records on David and that he half-owned the ship 'Alexander', made in Carlisle in 1818? I have found his address at Bath Street, Glasgow. Can't find a sibling record on him yet.

Re: Bowrings of UK and Newfoundland

amcknight124 — 2008-08-18 15:08:26Z

Interesting. Thank you for replying. If Rennie returned to Glasgow presumably it was to his family. I wonder if he had a sister called Catherine. I will try to find out

Re: Bowrings of UK and Newfoundland

amcknight124 — 2008-08-17 17:12:06Z

Have you heard of Catherine Rennie who came from Carlisle. b:1813 and married a John Thomson McKnight. I wondered if that might be the sister who moved to England if the dates match? I'd be grateful for any help, Anna.

Re: Bowrings of UK and Newfoundland

amcknight124 — 2008-08-18 17:25:58Z

Catherine Rennie was born in Carlisle in 1813, so there must have been Rennies there. Maybe they were in Shipbuilding? I am going to try and follow this up. Will let you know if I find anything of interest

Re: Bowrings of UK and Newfoundland

AnglersRest — 2008-03-03 22:23:16Z

Likewise I have an interest in this family, through a link to Katherine Bellasis who was the second wife of Lewin Bentham Bowring son of Sir John Bowring whose line was in Devon and Newfoundland. I would be interested in seeing a copy of the diary if that is possible.

Re: Bowrings of UK and Newfoundland

AnglersRest — 2008-03-03 22:43:37Z

Very many thanks, this is greatly appreciated. I have just sent a brief email to your AOL address.