Thanks for the information and web site. I will save the website. Since I sent my first message a couple of years ago, I have learned more about the Kinnaman/Campsey/Penn connections. And even though it is tempting, I think I'm not going deeper into the genealogy. I was unaware of the Grace Martha Penn marriage to Ben, however. I have photos of Benjamin Kinnaman and Jessie, and one of Dory Kinnaman and Mary Jane Campsey Yates Kinnaman. I also have photos of Dory's and Mary Jane's three daughters. Also of Ben and Jessie's children. My great great grandfather Peter J. Kinnaman was also involved: he and his wife Ann took one of Dory's daughters to raise after Mary Jane's death in 1886 in Missouri. If you have any interest in the photos or in conversation my email is jkkinnaman@abcglobal.net Jim Kinnaman