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Re: Carnwith/Carnwath in Canada

quebecnewbrunswick — 2010-08-24 03:05:11Z

Hi there,
Ah, timing is everything - we were in Scotland for the first time last summer and just loved it!
I'm also lost in my filing - and want to get through it so I can find some family research files I was looking at months ago - when I do, I'll get back to you!
Susan

Re: Carnwith/Carnwath in Canada

lesleyomalley — 2010-08-23 22:35:33Z

Hi. I just stumbled across your post. I live in the UK and am descended from William Drew Carnwith. Next time you vsit Scotland, let me know. I'd love to share notes.

Re: Carnwith/Carnwath in Canada

MichaelCarnwath — 2010-04-06 14:25:58Z

Hi Susan,
I stumbled upon your posts by accident. The Tree you refer to was lodged in Northern Ireland by my father Douglas. I actually spoke to your forebear in New Brunswick back in 1969 and she knew exactly who I was which was somewhat alarming. I have also exchanged information with Anne Reynolds. If you wanted to email me at m.carnwath@btinternet.com I would be happy to give you what information I have. Michael

Re: Carnwith/Carnwath in Canada

mountalbert — 2009-08-10 18:44:14Z

Hi, If you email directly at mountalbert@rogers.com I can send you all the info I have on the Carnwaths.Anne

Re: Carnwith/Carnwath in Canada

quebecnewbrunswick — 2009-08-09 03:03:59Z

Hi there,
I read your post with interest, as I am descended from Margaret Carnwath and James McGorman.
Margaret's brother James (married Rose Kyle), also came to Canada, opened up a dry goods store in New Brunswick. My husband and I have just bought the store!!
Would you have a copy of that family tree that you could post or otherwise send to me? I would love to get it.
If I could give you any information, I would be glad to.
Thanks,
Susan Quinn

Re: Carnwith/Carnwath in Canada

quebecnewbrunswick — 2009-08-09 02:49:09Z

OK so I'm back from holidays and have some information in front of me.
What I had was James Albert McGorman (1818 - 1892) and his older brother William who came over in 1837. And that's all I have of that family, although I just realized that I have some pictures that I got from a guy in New Brunswick who does some research in his spare time. I didn't ask him details on what he sent me though. Pictures are attached.
Here's what he said:
Picture 1 Page 8d is of Robert M McGorman, William mcGorman and Albert McGorman.

Picture 1 Page 8e is of Donald McGorman, Robert, William, Albert and Jimmie McGorman

Picture 2 Page 5a is of William McGorman and ?

In 1842, James married Margaret Carnwath, who had come over in 1841 with her brother James. Her brother is the one who set up the dry goods store in New Brunswick, that we have now bought - we take possession at the end of the month.
James was quite prolific, as they usually were those days, and I am descended from him.
As I read your note, I realized that I had no information on William, or where they came from or any documentation, like ship's records. And of course nothing on the other siblings.
So what ever you have that you'd be willing to share, I'd love to receive it!!
Looking forward to hearing from you.

Re: Carnwith/Carnwath in Canada

quebecnewbrunswick — 2009-07-15 17:27:44Z

So glad to hear from you!! Right now my husband and I are on holiday in Scotland, just for pleasure - no family research!!
I'll be back at the beginning of August and will get in touch with you then. I don't seem to remember all this relationship stuff off the top of my head.
I have some cousins in NB you might have corresponded with, but they are not too computer-savvy, so I don't know if it was them. You don't recall a name?
Talk to you later.

Re: Carnwith/Carnwath in Canada

mountalbert — 2009-07-15 16:41:20Z

Hi There, Sorry it has taken me so long to write back. I no longer use the email this message was attached to. Your James Carnwath was the brother of my great great grandfather William Carnwath. William, James and another 2 brothers Charles and John emigrated from Ireland in the mid 1800's along with some of their sisters. William, John and Charles settled in and around the town of Perth Ontario. There is family in the US, Ireland, England and Australia.The family is huge! I'm happy to share the information I have. I was once in touch with a lady in NB related to James Carnwath. Hope to hear from you soon. Anne

Re: Carnwith/Carnwath in Canada

quebecnewbrunswick — 2009-06-08 04:50:57Z

HI,
I am doing some research on my great-grandmother's side of the familly. She was Margaret Carnwath who married James McGorman. Margaret's brother was James Carnwath, married Rose E. Kyle. Both Margaret and James ended up in New Brunswick, Canada. I am descended from Margaret.
When James came to Canada, he, or one of his sons, started up a general store in Riverside.
My husband and I are just about to buy the property, and I am super excited!!
I believe they were the only two to end up in Canada. I can give anyone the info I have on them if you want.

Re: Carnwaths from Antrim Ireland about 1830

SarahWilson222 — 2008-09-17 03:14:09Z

hello,this is sarah.the info i have is ronald auther carnwath,b1883,st.george hanover square lon.middlesex.now here is another bit of info.JRA carnwath b1982 hertford eng.spouse kate penecost b1874 lewisham lon.eng.arethey a robert harris carnwath b 1876,also sarah carnwath b1868 lived bothwell stevenson,please let me know if this is the same family,i will check my file see if i have more info.ok.cheerrio the noo.

Re: Carnwaths 1830's

Dick_Carnwath — 2008-04-24 21:17:19Z

Please send me an email at "carnwathd@charter.net". Sounds like you have the same "geneaology I've got from N Ireland.

Dick Carnwath

Carnwaths 1830's

lclynk — 2006-07-31 04:39:05Z

Hi everyone, still searching for the Carnwaths, however, now I have some more names that may jog someones memory. Londonderry/Atrim/Leckpatrick: I am looking for:

John Carnwath (a shoemaker) and his wife ?? Wood (late 1700's early 1800's);
their son (my gr gr grandfather):
John Carnwath (born around 1836)
his wife: Rebecca Pollock (circa 1826). They went to Scotland sometime after 1873, this I do know as all of thier childrenw were born in Ireland. They settled at "the Camps", Kirknewton/East Calder. John worked in the limestone mine there.

Thier kiddies were:

Andrew (around 1856) m Mitchell Hamilton in Kirknewton

Samuel (around 1857) m Margaret Drover in Ratho. I had problems tracking Samuel, because his death certificate showed his parents as John Carnwath and "Janet" Carnwath MS "Forrest". See probable explanation below.

Margaret (around 1860) m James MCallum in Kirknewton

Janet (around 1866) (known as Jane) m James Innes (have info on this line) in Dalmeny

Rebecca (around 1871 - my line) m John (born James) McBride in Kirknewton

Anne (born around 1873) (known as Annie) m James Linn in Kirknewton

Rebecca Pollock Carnwath died in 1876 in Ratho from consumption. I believe that John Carnwath may have taken up with/married a Janet Forrest, although I cannot confirm this.

I was in UK/Ireland last year, searched for relatives gravestones in Scotland - nil. I was so disappointed that when we were in NI, I didn't even bother to look. Guess I'll have to go back now, not that its a problem, beautiful place.

Linda
Australia (Scottish born)

Re: Carnwaths 1830's

lclynk — 2006-07-31 04:39:05Z

Dear William
I have ascertained that your line is not my line, or if it is, its a long way back; however, I do have been contacted by two members of your line John in Virginia, and Betty in Nova Scotia. Betty gave me a list of what I presume is the same family tree, however she has editied it to no doubt reflect her line. I have actually now traced the marriage record for my John and Rebecca Pollock and his name was spelt with an O Cornwath; and their child was registered as such as well, and I have reference of John, and no doubt his father who was also a John Cornwath in Griffiths valuations, however, thats it! Betty's tree from Andrew Carnwath in 1672 goes down to her family line up to 1963. Regards Linda

Re: carnwaths from co. antrim ireland about 1830

AlexStewart51 — 2006-06-20 22:50:39Z

I am most interested in your discussion as my grandmother was Lillian Carnwath b.1893 in Londonderry. Her father was Hamilton Carnwath b.1857 in Londonderry and died there in 1940. His father was Andrew Carnwath b. Londonderry 1835 and died in Bonds St. Londonderry in 1900. I am eager to go further back and discover where the Carnwaths came from to Derry. My grandmother married Thomas John Cunningham from Derry but the family came from Tyrone. I should be pleased to hear from William, Linda and Elizabeth directly. I too was in touch with Gina in NZ but have lost touch as I have no replies from the last messages. Delighted to find you. Kind regards, Alex

Re: carnwaths from co. antrim ireland about 1830

willcarnwath — 2005-08-03 20:01:57Z

Hello Linda

I have dabbled about a wee bit in the past with my family tree, you are correct as the family name is of course of Scottish decent. The first Carnwath's would have come to Ireland during the 'Plantation of Ulster'.
I can trace my line back to Andrew Carnwath who was born about 1835/6 and died in Londonderry in 1900.
I dont know anything else about him and indeed you may have got more info on him than me as I dont haven't seen the census to which you refer.
You have given me a fresh impetus and I will now get off my backside and look anew.
If I can be of any help to you please contact me.

Good luck
William Carnwath.

Re: Carnwith/Carnwath in Canada

willcarnwath — 2005-08-03 19:42:15Z

Hello Anne

I have a copy of a family tree which is kept at the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland and was donated by two brothers, as I understand, Douglas and Robert Carnwath about 1964.
In this record is a family of 11 children and they are as follows:
Martha who married Buchanan, Patrick who presumably died young, John (no info) William Drew, Nancy married Hunter and went to Canada, Elizabeth married William Hunter, James married Kyle, Margaret married McGorman, Jennie married Kerrigan, Charles married Devlin, (went to Pembrook, Canada), James who married Porterfield.
Directly under the names of John and Wiliam Drew is written ( in Canada, Mrs Graham is a daughter of one of these-one a surgeon, the other an apothecary) I dont know who it refers to but it would indicate both John and William Drew went to Canada.
The parents of this family were James Carnwath (b 1780) who married Nancy Wray from CollermoneyCo. Tyrone, and James parents were Patrick (b 1747) and Elizabeth Pollock of Pollockstown, Leckpatrick, Co, Tyrone.
Patricks father was Andrew Carnwath, who is recorded as being a ruling elder of Donagheady Presbyterian Church from 1672 until 1700 and he was a farmer at a place called Stoneypath which is near Leckpatrick, Co Tyrone but is actually quite near the city of Londonderry.
You mention the Church of Canada which I assume is part of the Anglican Family and is quite different from the Presbyterian Church.
I hope this can be of some use to you.

William Carnwath.

Re: Carnwaths 1830's

willcarnwath — 2005-08-03 18:39:11Z

Hello Linda
I am also looking for Carnwaths who of course are my ancestors. I am looking for Andrew Carnwath born around 1835/6 and died in londonderry area 1900.
I think he may be buried in Old Glendermott Graveyard near Londonderry.
Interestingly I have a family tree which I copied from records held at Public Records Office Northern Ireland, traced back to Andrew Carnwath, who it is recorded, was a Ruling Elder in Donagheady Presbyterian Church (which still exists near Artigarvin, Tyrone.) From 1672-1700. One of his sons married Elizabeth Pollock of Pollockstown near Leckpatrick, Tyrone.
It shows the couple had 8 children, the eldest being called John. Unfortunately it looks like only 3 survived to an age when they could marry as it simply records 'D' below the other 5 names, including John.
That John may have been born too soon as he was the eldest and his father was born in 1747 and I would imagine he would have been married around about 1780.
However I see one of his brothers James who married Nancy Wray also had a son John but there is nothing else to indicate what became of him.
As you probably know most of the Carnwaths in Ireland would have been Presbyterians and as Presbyterians were badly treated up until the mid 1800's records are patchy and very hard to find.

Carnwath of Derry/Londonderry

AlexStewart17 — 2004-04-08 10:38:04Z

Carnwith/Carnwath in Canada

2002-06-26 20:38:40Z

I am currently researching 3 Carnwith families. The name has been corrupted into numerous spelling variations. I have
seen it Canwith, Canwaith, Cornwith, Camwith, Carnwath, and more. We now believe it was orginally Carnwath.

The Carnwith family originally emigrated from Ireland around mid 1820s to the Town of
Perth, Lanark Co. Ontario, Canada The three families are:
John Canwith and his wife Sarah, children Mary Ann, Eliza, Margaret, Sarah,
Harriett, and William Stuart.
William and his wife Mary Thorton and their children Cath, Ann, Margaret,
James, Lizzie, John, Martha Jane, and William.
Charles Canwith and his wife Susan Devlin.

We believe that they were orginally from North Ireland(possibly Co Tyrone), although they attended the Church of Scotland(CofE) in Canada. It is also believed that Charles, William and John were brothers.

By 1871 William Canwith was deceased and his widow, Mary Thorton and the
rest of the family, moved to Ottawa Ontario(it appears from census records that she
joined her eldest son James - James did not appear in the 1861 with the rest
of the family).

Any help with this family would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Anne Reynolds
Mt. Albert, Ontario

Re: carnwaths from co. antrim ireland about 1830

@@bob.bet@btinternet.com — 2002-02-22 20:18:13Z

Hi Linda I don't know if I have been in contact with you or not.
My Carnwaths also came from Ireland to Scotland, the Lanarkshire area, Coatbridge, Hamilton, Holytown, Bellshill, they moved about a lot.I noticed your branch on the 1881 census but did not know if they were in any way related to mine. The oldest daughter in my Carnwath family Fanny, was born in County Antrim about 1855, all the other children were born in Scotland. My line comprises
James Carnwath b. 1832 Ireland Jane Paterson b. 1837 Ireland. Their children were
Fanny b. 1855 Ireland
James b. 6 April 1857
Robert b. 17 january 1862
Mary Ann b. 2 May 1862
Jane b. 14 Sept. 1864
William Johnstone b. 17 Sept 1869
Annie b. 27 May 1867
George b. 11 Sept 1872
All lanarkshire, Scotland, area.
My connection is Annie b. 1867 she married Lewis Albert Cousins who originally came from Maine USA, but deserted from the Marines and settled in Scotland.
They are my Great Grandmother and Great Grandfather
any connection?
Betty Cairns Scotland

Re: carnwaths from co. antrim ireland about 1830

2002-02-21 10:06:07Z

Hi Betty
Thanks for that, yes we have talked before. I guess that somewhere along the line we are all related in the Carnwath family. Someone (I thought it was you) put me in contact with Gina in New Zealand, who said in her last email that she had tracked down a connection with my Carnwath line and her line through a Lily Carnwath. Still waiting on info. I have found it very difficult especially trying to track down info in Ireland, which I would love to do. I will be visiting again in 2004, and will defintely be going to Ireland this time now that I know my Carnwath line were all born there! I have only just started to trace my family and its hard work!! Very much like a jigsaw puzzle with some pieces that don't fit! Anyway, thanks for the response and hope we both have good luck!
Regards Linda (Australia)

Re: carnwaths from co. antrim ireland about 1830

2002-02-20 07:08:19Z

Hi William

I am interested in your Carnwath line as well, as it is a Scottish name and not Irish, and I cannot locate any info following the Irish line. In the 1881 census I came across my gr gr grandmother Rebecca Carnwath aged 12, sisters Janet 17 and Ann 9 and dad John 43. He was a widower, they were all born in Ireland, there was also a son Andrew who had obviously married as I found him in the next census. Would appreciate any info you have so I can follow the line.

Kind regards Linda (Australia)

Carnwaths from Antrim Ireland about 1830

bob_bet — 2002-01-13 20:29:12Z

James Carnwath born about 1832 somewhere near Giants Causeway Ireland, family tradition states they owned a jaunting car buisness. Married Jane Patterson born about 1837 Antrim Ireland father was farmer.
1st known child
James Carnwath born 6 April 1857 New Monkland, lanark Scotland
Robert Carnwath born 17 June 1860 Hamilton, Lanark, Scotland.
Mary Anne Carnwath born 2 May 1862 Bothwell, Lanark, Scotland.
Jane Carnwath born 14 September 1864 Bothwell, Lanark, Scotland.
Ann Carnwath born 27 may 1867 Bothwell, lanark, Scotland.
William Johnston Carnwath born 17 September 1869 Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland.
George Carnwath born 11 September 1872 Bothwell, Lanark, Scotland.
Desperately seeking any descendants or any information on any of these people.
Betty Cairns

Carnwaths from Antrim Ireland about 1830

bob_bet — 2002-01-13 20:29:12Z

Hi William how far do you go back on your line.
All I have is in the previous posting except for the marriage date of James Jane Paterson and it is a question in it's own right. It is given on 2 of the children's birth certificates as 17th July 1854 and as 17th July 1851.
James father is given as Robert Carnwath labourer his mother as Margaret Paterson, but the son who gave the information for the certificate was only 15 years old and some of the information is wrong.
Janes father is given as John Paterson farmer but no maiden name given on the death certificate. Only other thing is that one of the sons has a middle name of Johnston.
James worked in Scotland as a shovel maker or as a blacksmith the family seem to have moved around Lanarkshire quite a bit.
Really hope we can find some conection as I have been hitting a brick wall with this for almost a year now.
James daughter Annie Carnwath was my greatgrandmother she married a Lewis Albert Cousins who came to Scotland from Maine America. Their son James Carnwath Cousins was my grandfather. As you can imagen it has not been easy finding information on either of these lines, so any help you can offer is most appreciated.
Waiting to hear from you
Betty Cairns

Re: carnwaths from co. antrim ireland about 1830

bob_bet — 2002-01-13 20:29:12Z

Hi William who was your g.g.grandfather?
I am interested in finding this conection.

Betty Cairns

Re: carnwaths from co. antrim ireland about 1830

2001-11-05 13:51:48Z

Hello again Betty

my G grandfather was called HAMILTON CARNWATH and I know only that he was born near Londonderry mid 1800's.
Unfortunately I do not know his fathers name or where his ancestors originally came from,it is my belief that they came to Northern Ireland round about the time of the Plantation of Ulster along with lots of other Scottish settlers.
It may be that there is a connection between the Carnwath at Giants Causeway,I dont know.
I am aware of only one other Carnwath family who were not connected [at least not closely] and they lived at Donemana Co. Tyrone,as far as I am aware they have all now died out.
My father is still alive and well so I will interrogate him and see if I can't go back a wee bit further.
I also have a wee bit of a family tree written down somewhere, a cousin of mine, Paul Arbuckle, did some research once to try and establish our links with Scotland, but he did not get very far.
I have a longing to take a long look some day to see if I can do any better.
I will close now but if I can come up with even the smallest scrap of information I promise I will be in touch.

William Carnwath.

carnwaths from co. antrim ireland about 1830

2001-01-23 14:17:24Z

Hello Betty Cairns. My surname is Carnwath and I was born in Londonderry, which is only about 40 miles from Giants Causeway.I can trace back to my GG,Grandfather who was born near Londonderry. I feel there must be a connection.