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ISAAC B. CARPENTER, BORN SEPT. 12, 1867

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Re: ISAAC B. CARPENTER, BORN SEPT. 12, 1867

John R. Carpenter (View posts)
Posted: 25 Sep 2001 10:34AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: CARPENTER
The following Isaac may be the one you are looking for. He moved away from the now WV area to parts unknown.

Hopefully you may be able to exclude or followup based on other data you have.

I hope this helps.

John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
CE CD 2001

Ahnentafel Chart for Isaac CARPENTER-55070
First Generation

1. Isaac CARPENTER-55070 was born about 1867 in , Roane, WV. Isaac (19) Carpenter was born about 1867.

Second Generation
2. James CARPENTER-54916 was born in 1836 in , , VA. He married Charlotte STARCHER-39378 on 3 Jul 1866 in , Roane, WV (MRIN:15251).
James (18) Carpenter was born circa 1836 and married 1st 3 August 1857 in Roane County (then VA) Mary Nicholas (daughter of James and Sarah (Unknown) Nicholas) and 2nd 3 July 1866 in Roane County (then WV) Charlotte Starcher
(daughter of Isaac and Mary (Tanner) Starcher) and resided in Roane County in 1870 and 1880. The Jesse Carpenter (his father?) found in the Braxton County Census of 1850 cannot be the same Jesse Carpenter (his uncle) who appears in the Jackson County census of 1850!
3. Charlotte STARCHER-39378 was born about 1840/1847 in , , VA.

Third Generation
4. Jesse CARPENTER-31396 was born about 1785 in , Botetourt, VA. He died after 1850.
The Jesse Carpenter who is found in the household of David and Catharine Given in the 1850 Braxton County census is placed here, but not proven. He is logically a nephew of Jeremiah, Jesse et cetera. See father's notes.
6. Isaac STARCHER-39377 was born in 1824 in , , VA. He married Mary TANNER-39096 on 10 Jun 1846 in , Jackson, VA (MRIN:15114).
7. Mary TANNER-39096 was born in 1826/1828 in , , VA.
This marriage continues the confusion between ""Buffalo" Tanner (RIN 39221) and "Ike" Tanner (RIN 28455) The orginal record had Mary in the family of Buffalo, but the Mowrey book had her in the "Ike" family. I have continued to
follow the Mowrey book and changed Mary to that family. The reference is found on page 98 of the Mowrey book. Then under presure I had to switch her back.
Mary Tanner was born about 1826 and married Isaac Starcher 10 June 1846.
Children of Mary Tanner, of Jesse Tanner Sr., of Samuel Tanner/Sudna
Carpenter (16).

Fourth Generation
8. Solomon CARPENTER Jr.-31373 was born about 1745/1750 in , Botetourt, VA. He married Lucretia PRENTICE-31375 on 1 Sep 1783 in , Botetourt, VA (MRIN:12513).
BOOK: See page 40 (for notes & page 46-47 for family)) of the Mowrey 1997 book.
See book information below:
UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF JOSEPH CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION.
BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997.
BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
Page 40: 2. Solomon (16) Carpenter was born circa 1745-1750, married Lucretia Prentice on September 1. 1783 with his brother, Thomas, as surety (His father Solomon (15) was already dead) and probably moved south after the volutionary
War. He was one of the "five children called Carpenter" who was kidnapped by Indians during a raid on the Jackson River settlements in the middle of September 1756 and later released in Ohio in 1764 by Colonel Boquet. Solomon served in Captain John Lewis' Botetourt Volunteers in Lord
Dunmore's War with his brothers; Thomas, Jeremiah and John. Enlisting with his brother, Amos, in 1776 in Captain Samuel Lapsley's company, in Colonel Nathaniel Gist's regiment, 12th Virginia Continental Line, they became the subject of a letter written by Colonel George Skillern to Virginia Governor Nelson from Botetourt County on June 26, 1777. He was in Captain William Harrod's company in Kentucky and may have returned there to live after the hostilities. His wife, Lucretia, was the daughter of Daniel Prentice who was counted in the list of tithables for Benjamin Hawkin's district in Botetourt County with the aforesaid and often mentioned Carpenters on August 12, 1771. (Several competent Carpenter Family researchers in the Braxton/Webster Counties area insist that Solomon was buried in the so-called Skidmore Bottom along with Jeremiah (page 41) and Benjamin. If so, this (or the fact that some of his children must have remained in that part of Virginia
after he moved) would surely account for some of the Carpenters in West Virginia who obviously descended from old Joserph of the Jackson River but cannot be irrefuteably linked to any of his other children.)
(continued)
Page 45: The most commonly heard story of Solomon (16) Carpenter's capture by the Indians has him living with his father, Solomon (15) Carpenter, and family somewhere in the wilds of Virginia along the frontier near a creek in Botetourt
County about the year 1754 (Amos (16) Carpenter's birth). Some of the younger children were playing about the cabin, some were working in the fields with their parents and others, including Solomon, were roaming through the woods.
Solomon was about ten years old. Roving Indians captured him, took him to Ohio, adopted him into their tribe and raised him as an Indian. Years later he returned to civilization fully grown with the wild, undisciplined spirit of an Indian. It is said that Solomon was a favorite among the Indians because he was an accurate marksman, a wrestler par excellent and sang in a very loud voice.
Another interesting story that is proveably true involves Solomon (16) and his brother, Amos (16) Carpenter, during the Revolutionary War. A Captain Lapsley recruited Solomon, Amos and a friend, James Lyons, with the inducement
that they (page 46) would be bodyguards to General George Washington at a higher pay than other soldiers. Their agreement with Captain Lapsley was not honored when they began training. Disgruntled with such treatment, the
Carpenter brothers and Lyons deserted, returned home and hid out in the mountains. Other malcontents, dissenters and men who were avoiding military service joined them until their numbers were nearly fifty.
These renegades formed a formidable army, more than a match for the forces of law and order. They were well armed and well supplied with food and information about the activities of the authorities by friends, relatives and
sympathizers and evaded capture for about four years. Unable to arrest the outlaw band, Colonel Skillern finally persuaded Solomon and some of his officers to agree to a peace talk. Solomon and his followers offered to serve
two years in the Botetourt County Militia or under George Rogers Clark in exchange for amnesty. Colonel Skillern advised the Virginia Governor of the offer and recommended that he accept it. He did and added another
forty-some hardened fighters to the Patriotic armies. They served honorably.
Page 47: Children of Solomon(16) Carpenter, of Solomon(15), of Joseph(14):
Many historians and Carpenter genealogists speculate that all of Jeremiah's brothers went south within twenty or so years after the initial settlement on the Elk and Holly Rivers circa 1785. This is simply not true! With the exception of Thomas and, possibly, Solomon, all of them went west. Amos, Jesse, John and the Joseph who married Sinah Gillespie 15 December 1795 (if he is of this family) relocated on the Ohio River and beyond.
Solomon may have never left the area except on a temporay basis. The weight of the available evidence certainly seem to indicate this.
John Davison Sutton stayed with and obtained supplies from a
Carpenter other than Jeremiiah while doing a survey and study of land for his father in the summer of 1795 according to a notebook he kept during that journey. Upon visiting Jeremiah, he noted that the Solomon who was born in a
cave on Camp Run was a lad of about six years. A Solomon Carpenter is found as head-of -household in the Randolph County censuses of 1810, 1820 and 1830.
Jeremiah's son, Solomon, is found in the Nicholas County censuses of 1820 and 1830 as well as in the 1840 and later Braxton County (created, in part, from Nicholas) censuses. These are different Solomons!.
Another contention that Solomon, he of "Solly's Cave", was the only one of Jeremiah's sons to live out his life in the Braxton and Webster Counties area is also untrue. John S. (and most of the daughters) can easily be proven to
have remained there. Jeremiah Jr. and Amos are known to have followed uncles or other kin west.
This compiler cannot positively identify any of Solomon and Lucretta (Prentice) Carpenter's children at present, but the odds are that there were some. These and possible children of his brother Amos's first marriage may
explain some of the many unplaced Carpenters in The Mountain State. The Jesse Carpenter who is found in the household of David and Catharine Given in the
1850 Braxton County census is placed here, but not proven. He is logically a nephew of Jeremiah, Jesse et cetera.
CHILDREN: Some researchers place the following children in this family but they are NOT FOR THIS FAMILY. They are for another Solomon:
1-Jeremiah CARPENTER, 2-Thomas CARPENTER, 3-Benjamin CARPENTER, and
4-Solomon CARPENTER.
9. Lucretia PRENTICE-31375 was born about 1745/1750 in of, Botetourt, VA.
12. Isaac STARCHER-57373 was born about 1775 in of, , VA. He married Mary TANNER-57374 (MRIN:15250).
13. Mary TANNER-57374 was born about 1775 in of, , VA.
Maybe Mary Tanner ...?
14. Jesse "Buffalo" TANNER Sr.-39221 was born in 1795 in , Roane, VA. He died on 26 Mar 1885 in , Roane, WV. Jesse married Mary or Polly CARPENTER-28447 on 4 Aug 1820 in , Mason, VA (MRIN:11443).
Jesse and Lucinda (Raines) Tanner his third wife, found in 1870 census
Roane Co. and 1880 Roane Co. WV.
Jesse Tanner Sr. called "Buffalo".
NOTE: Jesse "Buffalo" TANNER Sr. AND Jesse "Ike" TANNER may or may not be the
same person. I think maybe, but there is enough debate to allow two until
further details come forth.
15. Mary or Polly CARPENTER-28447 was born about 1795/1797 in , , VA. She died in , , VA.

Peter and Mary Coger lived on Elk River on the tract of land that Peter bought
from Jeremiah Carpenter.
See page 48 of the Mowrey 1997 book.
She was widowed when her husband drowned in the Elk River on 10 Oct. 1866.
Fifth Generation
16. Solomon CARPENTER-5330 was born about 1714/1720 in Musketa Cove, Long Island, New York Colony. He died in 1783 in , Botetourt, VA and was buried in 1783 in , Botetourt, VA. Solomon married Sudnah or Sudrah HUGHES-5331 about 1740 in , , VA (MRIN:2162).
He served in Captain Dickenson's Company of Rangers in 1759 and in Captain
John Lewis's Company of Volunteers from Botetourt County, Virginia in 1774.
He was a Patriot and an officer in the Continental Line in the Revolution.
SEE: Virginia Frontier by Kegley, page 272; Book ancestry of Jessie Hughes,
THE BORDER SCOUT, page 422; and the will of William Hughes of 1762, 9-16-1767,
Hampshire County, West Virginia.
On May 20, 1765 Joseph Carpenter, Sr. deeded to Soloman Carpenter 160 acres on
Jackson River bordered by John Mann. Page 184, 1773 Soloman Carpenter to John
Mann, deed book, page 48, Botetourt County, Deeds and Index, Part 1, Film 7301
MESA, A2, Mormon Genealogy Library, Courthouse records of Fincastle, Virginia,
page 339, Judge Lyman Chalkey's records of Augusta County, Virginia.
BOOK: See page 36 #1 (for notes), page 40+ (for family) of the Mowrey 1997
book. See book information below:
UPDATE OF THE GENEALOGY OF THE NEW ENGLAND CARPENTER FAMILY OF ENGLISH
ORIGIN - THE VIRGINIA / WEST VIRGINIA BRANCH - SOME DESCENDANTS OF JOSEPH
CARPENTER - PIONEER OF THE JACKSON RIVER - MOWREY"S VERSION.
BY TERRY LEE CARPENTER AND PAUL THOMAS MOWREY.
PRO BONO PUBLICO - PRIVATELY PUBLISHED, DOVER, OHIO, 1997.
BY PAUL THOMAS MOWREY. Born abt 1720 per above book.
Children per the above book are: Thomas (b. abt 1740), Solomon (b. abt 1745-50)
Amos (b. 1 Feb. 1754), Jeremiah (b. 1755-1757)), Benjamin (b. late 1750's),
Jesse (b. abt 1762), Nancy (?)(b. 1760-1770), Elizabeth (b. abt 1760),
Margaret (b. abt 1762), Agnes (b. abt. 1766), Joseph (?) (b. abt 1775 - might
have been a grandson), John (b. abt. 1764), and Sudna Elizabeth (b. abt 1765).
Children before the above book data was added: Thomas*, Samuel,
Benjamin*, Jeremiah*, Isaac, Libby**, Jesse*(?), Nathan(?), Nicholas(?),
and Benjamin. *=Match with above book. **=Match with Elizabeth above.
Please note the wide range and discrepancies of the children of this family.
Many are misplaced.
NOTE: On 11 April 2000 Terry Lee Carpenter of Texas explained as a side note
how his name came on the above book. I think it is appropiate to mention it
here. This is a partial excerpt from Terry:
"Another point I would like to make, is that the book on this family that
was published by Paul Mowrey is his work, which he put my name on as a
co-author simply because I helped him gather much of the basic
information -- the interpretation is strictly his though. He states
right up front that we differ on some of the lineage as he presented it,
but the specific differences are not always highlighted. I have the
utmost of respect and admiration for Paul Mowrey -- he is an outstanding
person and historian, who has given the facts his best interpretation
based on his personal knowledge and he is entitled to his opinion, just
as Don Norman is, and you and I are -- It is a free country, thanks to
people like you and others who have fought and struggled to keep it this
way! I hope this is some help. Regards, Terry."
E-MAIL: From: RICHARD CARPENTER <thecarponline2@email.msn.com>
To: John L. Carpenter <jcarp45@top.monad.net>
Date: 30 April, 2000
... If you haven't got a copy of "Border Settlers of Northwest Virginia"
by Lucullus V. McWhorter, a life of Jesse Hughes, I suggest you do
so. It has lots of information on the life of Jesse Hughes,
Indian fighter, and associates, such as Jeremiah Carpenter. Excellent reading!
Now to the descendants of Sudna and Solomon Carpenter. You show a marriage
date of 1740, VA.
If this Solomon Carpenter is son of Joseph Carpenter, then the date is wrong.
The records state that Joseph Carpenter came from NY in 1746 with most of his
children, then unmarried. He received a patent for his land in 1750.
Mattie Bell Carpenter Ross, 1974, in her compilation "Some Descendants of
Joseph Carpenter and others", says Solomon Carpenter, born 1725 in New York,
son of Joseph Carpenter, married Sutnew --, perhaps daughter of Peter Wright.
She also writes, "Family researchers have established that there were three
separate branches of the Carpenter family in North Carolina.
These are (1) Quaker descendants of Samuel Carpenter of Philadelphia,
(2) descendants of Dr. Henry Zimmerman of PA-Germans, who changed their
names to it's English meaning, 'Carpenter',
(3) descendants of early VA settlers William and Simond Carpenter of England."
It appears to me that you have posted some of the information from Don Norman
and Donna Tivener, both of whom have listed quite a bit of incorrect,
unproven information!
Quoting from Chalkley's records, (available on line at VA library
website) ......
In 1764, Joseph Carpenter divided 464 acres equally between his sons Joseph Jr.
and Solomon.
In 1773, Solomon sold 160 acres to his brother in law John Mann
In 1779, Jeremiah Carpenter of Greenbrier bought of Moses Mann 160 Acres
In 1787 Thomas Carpenter bought 115 acres on Potts Creek
In 1784, David Glasburn bought of Thomas Carpenter 50 acres on Jackson's River
On Nov. 19, 1766, Joseph Carpenter and William Whesley were directed to survey
a road from Fort Defiance and Handley's Mill. Other men ordered out were
Solomon, Thomas, Nathaniel, Zopher, Joseph Jr., and a second Thomas
Carpenter and others.
Morton also states in "Annals of Bath County", "the Joseph Carpenter who came
from England as an indentured servant, and lived for seven years with
Luftus Pullen, was not related to the other families.
He settled in Little Valley about 1790 and reared twelve children.
Now, you show, if I'm reading right, 17 children of Solomon Carpenter and
Sudna Hughes!!!!!!!!!!! Hardly believable, even for those days!
There is no Carpenter researcher to my knowledge, that lists 17 children to
this marriage!
Agnes Carpenter is probably one of the Harrison County Carpenters, related to
Nicholas.
Also Margaret Carpenter, probably the same.
Thomas "Jack" Carpenter has not been proven to be of Joseph Carpenter's family
line.
No. 6 and no 14, both Benjamin Carpenter?
No 6 is probably one of the Amherst Carpenters, again, not proven to be related
to Joseph Carpenter no 10 No record of any Nathan Carpenter.
A mistaken records shows Kate Carpenter married to Nathan.
The records prove Kate's husband was Nicholas Carpenter, probably Jr.
no 11 Amos----born in New London, CT. 1754, again misplaced.
no 13 Nicholas, probably of German descent.
no 17 John Carpenter, probably related to Nicholas.
John, if I am wrong on any of my above assumptions, I will be glad to apologize
and change my records! Terry and Paul have set me
straight on several of my conclusions, (not all).
I know that you are a Yankee and don't know much about us southerners, but we
can be gracious at times!
LOL It is said that southern hospitality is an inch deep and a mile wide!~
Seriously, I have been to your website and it could very well lead astray a
new searcher. There are many now on the internet and they are putting any
data they find on their ancestry program and putting it out on the internet.
Just check Ancestry.com and you will see what I mean.
Richard L. (Dick) Carpenter. (Forwarded to me by John L. Carpenter)
MORE LAND DATA:
John (F ?) CARPENTER Greenbrier Co. VA land Grants Sims Land Grant Index -
1787 100 acres on Hands Creek; bk 2 p. 3 1792; 200 acres on Swobes Knob;
bk. 2 p. 416 1799 200 acres on Elks Run. A map of 1861 shows Elk
River coming down out of the Alleghany Mts and connects into Kanawha
River at present day Charleston (which is in Kanawha Co.,W VA I would
venture to guess that Elk Run is some place off of Elk R. and would also
explain the eventual land owned in Kanawha Co. in the early 1800s. I
wish that I knew exactly where Swobe's Knob , as well as Hands Creek is
located.
Additional land is sited on Potts Creek (Abstracts of Surveys) p. 30 and 80.
Solomon owns 50 acres on Potts Creek, a branch of the James R. Oct. 16, 1767;
p. 83 Solomon Carpenter , 43 acres on Potts Creek a branch of James
River on 7 Oct. 1787.
-- Swobe2 CONT both were in Greenbrier Co. VA at the time and are in present-day Monroe
Co. WV. Per Terry Lee Carpenter.
E-MAIL: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 From: theblums@postoffice.pacbell.net
John,
It appears that this court date will help more closely pinpoint the time of death for Solomon
who marr. Sudrah Hughes ? It seems pausible to me that this would have been the Solomon on Potts Creek. Would a
case concerning this Solomon move into the Greenbrier Court ? I suppose that you have some evidence
of Botetourt being the place of death.
"1781 (Apr.?) Cornelius Daugherty assee. of Jas (Loud, Lord, Lorid?) agst Solomon Carpenter It appearing to the
court that the defendant in this suit hath departed this life, It is ordered that the same do abate.
Jno Mann assee of Thomas Mann dec'd vs. John Akin the same order as above by the death of petitioner
John Pursell plf. vs. Jacob Mann deft."
*note: there were several mentions of the Mann name in the court records.
Sandy.
17. Sudnah or Sudrah HUGHES-5331 was born about 1725 in , , VA. She died after Mar 1792 in , Randolph, VA.
She was the "Widow" Carpenter living with her son, Jeremiah, in the 1790's,
when her other son, Benjamin, was killed by "Big Indian and Little Indian" in
1792.
E-MAIL: Below is a Hughes Family Researcher who has written a book on the family.
"Patty B. Myers" <pbmyers@satx.rr.com>
The book format below starts in this note field then goes to her sons note field
for Issac to the note field of Benjamin.
Descendants of Sudna Or Sudrah Hughes
Generation No. 1
1. SUDNA OR SUDRAH2 HUGHES (WILLIAM1) was born 1722 in VA. She married
SOLOMON JOSEPH CARPENTER 1740 in Virginia, son of JOSEPH CARPENTER and FRANCES
DAMES.
Notes for SOLOMON JOSEPH CARPENTER:
In 1746 he came with his Father and his brothersJoseph,Zopher,and Nicolas
SOURCE: Don Norman's web page on this family.
He served in Capt. Dickersons Company of Rangers in part of the French &
Indian War in 1759 and in Capt. John Lewis's Company of volunteers From
Botetourt County,Virginia in 1774. He was a Patriot & an Officer in the
continental Line in the revolution.!He served in Captain Dickenson's Company of
Rangers in 1759 and in Captain
John Lewis's Company of Volunteers from Botetourt County, Virginia in 1774.
He was a Patriot and an officer in the Continental Line in the Revolution.
SEE: Virginia Frontier by Kegley, page 272; Book ancestry of Jessie Hughes,
THE BORDER SCOUT, page 422; and the will of William Hughes of 1762, 9-16-1767,
Hampshire County, West Virginia.
On May 20, 1765 Joseph Carpenter, Sr. deeded to Soloman Carpenter 160 acres on
Jackson River bordered by John Mann. Page 184, 1773 Soloman Carpenter to John
Mann, deed book, page 48, Botetourt County, Deeds and Index, Part 1, Film 7301
MESA, A2, Mormon Genealogy Library, Courthouse records of Fincastle,
Virginia,page 339, Judge Lyman Chalkey's records of Augusta County, Virginia.
Children of SUDNA HUGHES and SOLOMON CARPENTER are:
2. i.
THOMAS "JACK"3 CARPENTER, b. 1740, Botetourt, VA; d. August 06, 1803, Nash,NC.
ii.
BENJAMIN CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1744, Virginia; d. 1792; m. (1) SARAH MERRITT,
August 25, 1789, Wake County, North Carolinia; m. (2) RUTH JEFFERERS, September
12, 1790.
iii.
JEREMIAH CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1746, NY Colony; m. ELIZABETH HAMM, March 08, 1785.
iv.
SOLOMON CARPENTER, b. Bef. 1751; m. LUCRETA PRENTIS, September 01, 1783.
v.
JESSE CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1752; m. (1) SARAH JANE RIFFE; m. (2) JENNY WRIGHT,
May 03, 1796.
vi.
ELIZABETH CARPENTER, m. JAMES MCDOWELL.
3. vii.
AMOS CARPENTER, b. February 01, 1754, Botetourt County, Virginia; d. March 31,
1838, Meigs ,Ohio.
viii.
MARGARET CARPENTER, m. JOSEPH RIFFE, September 16, 1779.
ix.
NANCY CARPENTER, m. HENRY RUNNIOUN.
x.
AGNES CARPENTER, m. JOSEPH WEST, February 17, 1781.
xi.
MARY CARPENTER, m. JAMES SCHOOLCRAFT.

Generation No. 2
2. THOMAS "JACK"3 CARPENTER (SUDNA OR SUDRAH2 HUGHES, WILLIAM1) was born 1740
in Botetourt, VA, and died August 06, 1803 in Nash,NC. He married MARY LEE
1760 in Nash, North Carolina, daughter of JAMES LEE and FRANCIS.
Notes for THOMAS "JACK" CARPENTER:
1790 Nash County Census, Thomas Carpenter,over 16 wfm, 1 m & 2F, under 16 yrs
old,wife & 1 boy 16 +, 1 girl - 16, 1 slave
1800 Census Nash County, SC :
Notes for MARY LEE:
!Marriage either 1760 or 1767. Birth either 1740 or 1747.
Unknown if CARPENTER is maiden or married name. Not found in the CM or SC
books.
Info supplied from " division of Thomas Carpenter's estate ,Febrary ,1894 ,
Nash County, N. C.
Mary Carpenter's estate settled August , 1832 Nash County, S. C.
Children of THOMAS CARPENTER and MARY LEE are:
4.
i.
BURWELL4 CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1762, Nash, NC; d. Bef. 1831, Anderson , SC.
5.
ii.
JOHN CARPENTER, b. 1764, Nash, NC; d. 1824, Newman, GA..
6.
iii.
RUEBEN LEE CARPENTER , SR., b. Abt. 1765, Halifax Dist. ,North Carolina; d.
1840, Edgefield County, SC.

iv.
FANNIE CARPENTER, b. 1768, Nash, NC; m. WILLIAM MANOR.
7.
v.
JAMES CARPENTER, b. 1768, Nash, NC; d. Bef. 1804.
vi.
BETSY CARPENTER, b. 1770, Nash, NC; m. ABRAHAM WINBOURN.
vii.
WILLIAM CARPENTER, b. 1770, Nash, NC; d. November 26, 1832, Surry , NC.
viii.
BENJAMIN CARPENTER, b. 1772, Nash, NC.
ix.
POLLY CARPENTER, b. 1772, Nash, NC; m. THOMAS BRYANT.
8.
x.
FRANCES CARPENTER, b. 1774, Nash, NC.
3. AMOS3 CARPENTER (SUDNA OR SUDRAH2 HUGHES, WILLIAM1) was born February 01,
1754 in Botetourt County, Virginia, and died March 31, 1838 in Meigs ,Ohio. He
married (1) MARY BICKLE, daughter of JACOB BICKLE and MARGARET. He married (2)
MARGARET MCGLAUGHLIN February 18, 1802 in Botetourt County, Virginia.
Notes for AMOS CARPENTER:
Sources: Paul T. Mowery's book Update of the New England Carpenter Family of
English Origin
Info from family records of Debra Grubb, Gallia ,Ohio (jgrubb@zoomnet.net)
Amos (16) Carpenter was born Feb 1, 1754, married twice and died on March 31
1838 in Meigs County, Ohio. He first married a Mary Bickle before 1793 and
secondly, Margaret McGlaughlin on Feb 18 , 1802 (she was 17 years old he was 48
). Amos served in basicly the same outfits as his brother Solomon, except for
Captain John Lewis' Company of Botetourt Volunteers. Amos suffered from " shell
shock " caused from his expierences in the Revolutionary War. It is not known
if he and his first wife had children; however those by his second wife are.
Their are many decendants still living in Meigs County, Ohio (created from
Gallia), Ohio.
Notes for MARGARET MCGLAUGHLIN:
Source : Revolutionary War Period
Bible family & Marriage Records Gleaned from Pension Applications Volume #6
W-5239: VA/OH
Amos carpenter m. Margaret McGlaughlin 18 Feb 1803 by Elder Jacob Cozad at West
Fork Settlement , Harrison Co. , VA. She was age 76 in 1853. In 1853 resina
Gilpn gave statement that she was the nurse of Margaret McGlaughlin Carpenter's
when her son Jeremiah was born, and she was invited to the marriage but could
not cross the creek (West Fork) on account of the high rise. Margaret Bickel or
Bickle, in 1853 , stated that the soliders first wife was her husband's sister.
B.L. Wt. 26301-160-55
Source : Abstracts of Rev War pension Files
Carpenter , Amos, Margaret, W5239, BLW #23601-160-55, VA line, Sol lived in
Greenbrier Cty., VA. at enl, sol. appl 2 Oct 1832 Meigs Cty. , Ohio, age 77, a
res of Scipo township, OH.sol m. Margaret McGlaughlin 2-18-1803 at West Fork
Settlement in Harrison Cty,VA & sol d.5-31-1837 in Columbia township in Meigs
Cty, OH, wid appl 11-23-1853 Meigs Cty,OH,sol & wife had 3 children but only
Jeremiah their 1 st child was named & in 1853 was a res of Columbia township,
OH, in 1853 a Margaret Bickel or Bickle stated sol 1 st wife was her husband's
sister.

info supplied by Debi Grubb
1552 Kemper Hollow Rd.
Gallipolis , 0hio 45631
jgrubb@zoomnet.net

Child of AMOS CARPENTER and MARY BICKLE is:
i.
MARY4 CARPENTER.
Children of AMOS CARPENTER and MARGARET MCGLAUGHLIN are:
ii.
JEREMIAH4 CARPENTER, b. May 07, 1803, Botetourt County, Virginia; d. July 23,
1884, Ohio; m. SARAH ANN SIMPSON, February 18, 1823, Ohio.
Notes for JEREMIAH CARPENTER:
J
iii.
AMOS CARPENTER, b. 1806, Gallia , Ohio.
iv.
WILLIAM CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1809, Gallia , Ohio.

Generation No. 3
4. BURWELL4 CARPENTER (THOMAS "JACK"3, SUDNA OR SUDRAH2 HUGHES, WILLIAM1) was
born Abt. 1762 in Nash, NC, and died Bef. 1831 in Anderson , SC. He married
ELIZABETH CARPENTER Abt. 1788, daughter of ELISHA CARPENTER and DELIVERENCE
MAROUGH.

Children of BURWELL CARPENTER and ELIZABETH CARPENTER are:

i.
15 CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1788.

ii.
WILLIS WILLIAM CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1790.

iii.
ELIZABETH CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1792.

iv.
DELANEY CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1794.

v.
SARAH CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1796.

vi.
BURWELL CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1798.

vii.
7 CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1800.

viii.
THOMAS CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1802.

ix.
ALFRED CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1804.

5. JOHN4 CARPENTER (THOMAS "JACK"3, SUDNA OR SUDRAH2 HUGHES, WILLIAM1) was
born 1764 in Nash, NC, and died 1824 in Newman, GA.. He married AMANDA
CARPENTER Abt. 1789.

Children of JOHN CARPENTER and AMANDA CARPENTER are:


i.
JOHN THOMAS5 CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1790.

ii.
M. EULA MCGUIRE CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1792.

iii.
ROBERT CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1794.

6. RUEBEN LEE4 CARPENTER , SR. (THOMAS "JACK"3, SUDNA OR SUDRAH2 HUGHES,
WILLIAM1) was born Abt. 1765 in Halifax Dist. ,North Carolina, and died 1840 in
Edgefield County, SC. He married (1) MARY BUTLER in Edgefield Co., SOUTH
CAROLINA, daughter of THOMAS BUTLER and ?. He married (2) HENDERSON.

Notes for RUEBEN LEE CARPENTER , SR.:
RUEBEN, John & Thomas were listed on the 1803 GA tax roll.

HENRY, John & Thomas were listed in the 1805 Lincoln Ga Lottery.

Rueben L Carpenter Sr. was supposedly listed as a farmer in Edgefield Co.,
South Carolina. His son Thomas was in Henry Co Georgia durnig the 1820 and
1830 census. Thomas did a lot of land dealings in the Land Lottery. He too
must have been a farmer as in different years his land was auctioned off. His
son Thomas M. Carpenter and James Warren also have land records in GA.
Surprisingly, their is a $1500.00 bond between THomas (the father) and John
Wilkens in which the agreement states that John Wilkens will take guardianship
of Sallie, David Jered and John Harlen who were orphaned. There seems to be a
lot of Zachariahs and Rueben Lee Carpenters. Trying to figure if they were
children, brothers or fathers is difficult. I have taken my best guess at
putting them where I think they belong based on dates, hearsay, stories and
land transactions (which would mean they would have to be old enough to buy,
etc.).

Children of RUEBEN CARPENTER and MARY BUTLER are:
9.
i.
THOMAS5 CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1790, Edgefield, SC; d. Abt. 1838, Walton, Henry,
GA.
10.
ii.
JOHN AUGUSTA CARPENTER, b. August 02, 1829, Edgefield , SC; d. January 25,
1881, Gilmer ,Upshur, TX..

7. JAMES4 CARPENTER (THOMAS "JACK"3, SUDNA OR SUDRAH2 HUGHES, WILLIAM1) was
born 1768 in Nash, NC, and died Bef. 1804.

Notes for JAMES CARPENTER:
info supplied by Donna Carpenter ,Phomiex Ariz.

Children of JAMES CARPENTER are:

i.
PATSY5 CARPENTER.

ii.
POLLY CARPENTER.

8. FRANCES4 CARPENTER (THOMAS "JACK"3, SUDNA OR SUDRAH2 HUGHES, WILLIAM1) was
born 1774 in Nash, NC. She married JOHN HILL.


Child of FRANCES CARPENTER and JOHN HILL is:

i.
JOHN5 HILL, b. 1820; m. SOPHIA MCCLURE.

Generation No. 4

9. THOMAS5 CARPENTER (RUEBEN LEE4, THOMAS "JACK"3, SUDNA OR SUDRAH2 HUGHES,
WILLIAM1) was born Abt. 1790 in Edgefield, SC, and died Abt. 1838 in Walton,
Henry, GA. He married *LOVIE JOHNSON Abt. 1821 in Edgefield Co, SOUTH
CAROLINA.

Notes for THOMAS CARPENTER:
In 1803 -John, Rueben and THomas were listed in the Georgia Taxroll.
In 1805 -Henry, John and Thomas were listed in the Lincoln Co. Georgia Land
Lottery.
Up to 1838 -Thomas was named on various land transactions in Henry Co. GA
along with Zachariah. He put up the $1500 bond with Wilkes for the Harlen kids
guardianship.

Notes for *LOVIE JOHNSON:
There is a Richard Johnson b 1759 VA Militia on ALA muster Roll

Children of THOMAS CARPENTER and *LOVIE JOHNSON are:
11.
i.
JAMES WARREN6 CARPENTER , SR., b. January 21, 1813, Georgia or So Carolina ?;
d. 1857, Clay Co, Alabama.

ii.
THOMAS M. CARPENTER, b. 1815, GA; d. Abt. 1840, GA.

iii.
CHARLES CARPENTER, b. 1816, GA; d. Unknown, Unknown.

iv.
FANNIE MCKEE (?) CARPENTER, b. 1820-1825, GA; d. Unknown, Unknown.

v.
GIRL 3 CARPENTER, b. 1820-1825, GA; d. Unknown, Unknown.

vi.
GIRL 2 CARPENTER, b. 1820-1825, GA; d. Unknown, Unknown.

12.
vii.
WILLIAM HENRY CARPENTER, b. 1825, Walton (Henry) Co. , Georgia; d. 1861-1865,
Confederate Army Shelbyville, TENN.

viii.
MARTHA CARPENTER, b. 1827.

13.
ix.
REUBIN L. CARPENTER, b. December 14, 1828, Henry Co, Georgia; d. June 21, 1863,
Shelbyville, Tenn.

10. JOHN AUGUSTA5 CARPENTER (RUEBEN LEE4, THOMAS "JACK"3, SUDNA OR SUDRAH2
HUGHES, WILLIAM1) was born August 02, 1829 in Edgefield , SC, and died January
25, 1881 in Gilmer ,Upshur, TX.. He married SARAH COPE September 05, 1850 in

Gilmer ,Upshur, TX..

Children of JOHN CARPENTER and SARAH COPE are:
14.
i.
RUBEN (M.J.)6 CARPENTER, b. December 19, 1851, Gilmer ,Upshur, TX.; d. August
01, 1934, Gilmer ,Upshur, TX..

ii.
HENRY ALAN CARPENTER, b. March 26, 1853, Gilmer ,Upshur, TX.; m. T.E. GALLOWAY.

iii.
LETHA ELIZABETH CARPENTER, b. February 16, 1856, Gilmer ,Upshur, TX.; m. ISSAC
TURNAGE, January 23, 1876.

iv.
CHARLES H. CARPENTER, b. January 22, 1858, Gilmer ,Upshur, TX.; d. April 02,
1877.

v.
WILLIAM W. CARPENTER, b. April 19, 1861, Gilmer ,Upshur, TX..

vi.
MARY R. E. CARPENTER, b. June 19, 1866, Gilmer ,Upshur, TX.; d. October 23,
1934; m. EUGENE LEWIS, October 21, 1883.

vii.
SAMUEL L. CARPENTER, b. February 22, 1875, Gilmer ,Upshur, TX.; d. November 25,
1906; m. (1) HATTIE O. QUINN, December 25, 1887; m. (2) LELA V. QUINN, July 07,
1901.

Generation No. 5

11. JAMES WARREN6 CARPENTER , SR. (THOMAS5, RUEBEN LEE4, THOMAS "JACK"3,
SUDNA OR SUDRAH2 HUGHES, WILLIAM1) was born January 21, 1813 in Georgia or So
Carolina ?, and died 1857 in Clay Co, Alabama. He married *SARAH A. HARLEN
November 11, 1838 in Henry Co, Georgia.

Notes for JAMES WARREN CARPENTER , SR.:
Warren is buried at the old Macedonia Cemetary.

Notes for *SARAH A. HARLEN:
Sallie wrote a letter in 1911 which was published in the Primitive Baptist
Newsletter. She was born in Oglethorpe or Wilkes GA. She moved to Henry Co.
when she was five. Her father died making the trip. Sallie and her brothers
David (Jered) and John were put under the guardianship of Mr. John R. Wilkens.
Later John R. Harlen was put in the guadianship of William J. Fears
Sallie married Warren when she was nineteen. They lived two years in GA, moved
to Alabama border and shortly thereafter to Clay Co. Ala. where they raised 9
children. Had 55 grandchildren, 174 great grandchildren and 22 grt.grt
grandchildren. Making 260 in all. Sallie and Warren were active members of the
Macedonia Church throughout their lives. Part of Sallie's testimony in the
letter stated, "I am obliged to praise Him if He takes all I have, for He does
all things well. He gives and the right to take when it pleases Him." She is
buried along side her husband at the "old" Macedonia Cemetary, with her mother
Judith (Morgan ?) Wilkens, daughters Marthena, Emaly Caroline and Mary Ann;
grandaughter Lucy M Ponder; nephew(?) Elijah Thomas and husband Warren.

Children of JAMES CARPENTER and *SARAH HARLEN are:


i.
LYDIA ELIZABETH7 CARPENTER, b. October 20, 1839, Henry Co, Georgia; d. June 05,
1917, Unknown; m. WILLIAM HAMMER.

15.
ii.
MARY ANN CARPENTER, b. May 28, 1841, Henry (Walton) Co., GA; d. February 02,
1878, Clay Co, Alabama.

iii.
SARAH ABIGAIL CARPENTER, b. December 16, 1842, Henry (Walton) Co., GA; d.
Unknown, Unknown; m. THOMAS L. JOHNSON, August 21, 1858.

Notes for THOMAS L. JOHNSON:
Land deeds recorded in Henry Co GA show a
Thomas D Johnson, title J.P. in 1832
Thomas J.Johnson, title Sherriff, in 1834
Jesse Johnson in 1823
Sherwood Johnson in 1828
Sarah Abigail Carpenter b. 12-16-1842 (dau. of James W. Carp Sr) married Thomas
L. Johnson.
Zachariah Thomas Carp b. 3-25-1848 married Mattie JOHNSON b.1850
Thomas' sons(Thomas M.and James Warren) went fromHenry Co. to Clay Co. Their
are land records showing this.

iv.
MATHENA CANDIS CARPENTER, b. January 01, 1844, Henry (Walton) Co., GA; d.
August 27, 1877, Clay Co, Alabama.

Notes for MATHENA CANDIS CARPENTER:
Mathina is buried in the "old" Macedonia Cemetary.

v.
MARY JANE CARPENTER, b. September 13, 1846, Henry (Walton) Co., GA; d. October
28, 1905, Unknown; m. (1) XXXX BRUSTER; m. (2) WILLIAM J. WILLOUGHBY, September
09, 1875.

16.
vi.
ZACHARIAH THOMAS CARPENTER, b. March 25, 1848, Henry (Walton) Co., GA; d.
August 10, 1908, Lineville, Clay Co, Alabama.

vii.
DAVID HARLIN CARPENTER, b. November 10, 1850, Clay Co, Alabama; d. February 21,
1921, Unknown; m. (1) BARTLETT; m. (2) JANE HARRIS.

viii.
EMALY CAROLINE CARPENTER, b. May 30, 1853, Clay Co, Alabama; d. October 01,
1868, Clay Co, Alabama.

17.
ix.
JAMES WARREN CARPENTER , JR., b. May 30, 1856, Clay Co, Alabama; d. August 07,
1913, Unknown.

12. WILLIAM HENRY6 CARPENTER (THOMAS5, RUEBEN LEE4, THOMAS "JACK"3, SUDNA OR
SUDRAH2 HUGHES, WILLIAM1) was born 1825 in Walton (Henry) Co. , Georgia, and
died 1861-1865 in Confederate Army Shelbyville, TENN. He married NANCY JANE

GARRETT.

Notes for WILLIAM HENRY CARPENTER:
William died in the Confederate Army

Notes for NANCY JANE GARRETT:
Info I was given lists her birth as Feb 21 1835. That would make her too young
to have these children. Assume error and should be 1825

Children of WILLIAM CARPENTER and NANCY GARRETT are:

i.
ZACHARIAH7 CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1843, ALA or GA; d. Unknown, Unk.

ii.
FRANCES HENRY CARPENTER, b. 1843-1858, GA or ALA; d. Unknown, Unk.

13. REUBIN L.6 CARPENTER (THOMAS5, RUEBEN LEE4, THOMAS "JACK"3, SUDNA OR
SUDRAH2 HUGHES, WILLIAM1) was born December 14, 1828 in Henry Co, Georgia, and
died June 21, 1863 in Shelbyville, Tenn. He married EMILY GARRETT January 21,
1848.

Notes for REUBIN L. CARPENTER:
Rueben and Emily had 7 kids. He died in the Confederate Army.

Children of REUBIN CARPENTER and EMILY GARRETT are:

i.
UNKNOWN 17 CARPENTER, b. 1848-1863.

ii.
UNKNOWN 2 CARPENTER, b. 1848-1863.

iii.
UNKNOWN 3 CARPENTER, b. 1848-1863.

iv.
UNKNOWN 4 CARPENTER, b. 1848-1863.

v.
UNKNOWN 5 CARPENTER, b. 1848-1863.

vi.
UNKNOWN 6 CARPENTER, b. 1848-1863.

vii.
UNKNOWN 7 CARPENTER, b. 1848-1863.

14. RUBEN (M.J.)6 CARPENTER (JOHN AUGUSTA5, RUEBEN LEE4, THOMAS "JACK"3,
SUDNA OR SUDRAH2 HUGHES, WILLIAM1) was born December 19, 1851 in Gilmer
,Upshur, TX., and died August 01, 1934 in Gilmer ,Upshur, TX.. He married
LOUISE EMILY GOODWIN April 19, 1874 in Gilmer ,Upshur, TX., daughter of J.W.
GOODWIN and SARAH.

Children of RUBEN CARPENTER and LOUISE GOODWIN are:
18. ... continued in the notes of her son Benjamin ...


18. Daniel PRENTICE-31376 was born about 1715 in of, Botetourt, VA.

Lucretia, was the daughter of Daniel Prentice who was counted in the
list of tithables for Benjamin Hawkin's district in Botetourt County
with the aforesaid and often mentioned Carpenters on August 12, 1771.


24. STARCHER-56023 was born about 1750 in of, , VA.

28. Samuel TANNER-28442 was born on 15 May 1759 in , Augusta, VA. He died in , Roane, WV. Samuel married Sudna Sidney CARPENTER-28441 on 28 Nov 1791 in , Harrison, VA (MRIN:11435).

SAMUEL & SUDAH (CARPENTER) MARRIAGE RECORDED MARR. BK.#1, PG 15 BOND BY
SAMUEL & THOMAS CARPENTER. STATE OF VIRGINIA.
Sidney Carpenter on marriage record not Sudna, m. by Rev. Joseph
Cheuvront.

NOTE: There is, at times, heated discussion of who was Samuel's spouse(s).
All can agree on "Sudna or Sidney or both." Who were her parents is another
question. So I will list 2 spouses until further detail can come out.


29. Sudna Sidney CARPENTER-28441 was born about 1763 in Near, Jackson River, Botetourt, VA.

In this record their is two Sudna Carpenters who married Samuel Tanner on the
same date. One of the Sudnas is in error and should be Sidney who married
Samuel Tanner on 5 Dec. 1791 per the History of Harrison County, West Virginia.


30. Jeremiah CARPENTER-32623 was born about 1754 in On the Big Bend, Jackson River, Botetourt, VA and was christened in , Augusta, VA. He died about 1832 in , Braton, VA. Jeremiah married Elizabeth HAMM-28444 on 8 Mar 1785 in ALderson, Rockingham, VA (MRIN:11439).

SEE: Rebuttal below. Children listed are per Donna Diverner below.

PARENTS: There is a conflict of parents (SEE BELOW). The Mowrey 1997 book
has Soloman has the father of Jeremiah who was captured by indians (and
returned), yet another record listed below has William as the father.
William (........... of Joseph of Capt. Nathaniel Carpenter) and
Soloman (of Soloman, of Joseph of Capt. Nathaniel Carpenter) were cousins.
Is it possible that 2 (TWO) Jeremiahs were captured by indians? Is it possible
that only 1 (ONE) returned? This would help explain the age differences
in the stories and what he supposedly did. Many questions still!!!

Although there are at least four (4) Jeremiah Carpenters reported to have been
alive in VA in 1750-1800, only ONE is ever known to have been captured by the
indians and held for a lengthy time. All sources agree that the Jeremiah who
lived in present day Braxton County, WV served a lengthy captivity with the
indians.
!SEE: Historical Sketches of Alleghany County, VA, page 11, by Gay Arret.
"The indians met (William) Carpenter near his home and killed him and made
prisoners of Jeremiah Carpenter, a son of the slain man, and two sons of
Brown and one woman. The indians despoiled the house and taking some horses
made a rapid retreat." After Jeremiah was captured he was taken to the indian
village called "Old Town." which was across the Ohio River, opposite the mouth
of the Great Kanawha River. He was adopted and lived there until he was
eighteen years old. At that time (about 1773) he was exchanged, an action to
which he was opposed.
Jeremiah served in Colonel William Fleming's Botetourt County regiment at
the battle of Point Pleasant, VA during Lord Dunmore's war.
Jeremiah married Elizabeth Mann and after the American Revolution, he traveled
with his wife and brother, Benjamin, to the Elk River where Centralia, Braxton
County, is now. He made a clearing in the virgin forest and built his home,
about one-fourth of a mile above Dry Run. His brother Benjamin soon went back
to VA, returning with a wife. Ben or Benjamin built his cabin at the mouth of

Holly River, four miles below Jeremiah's home.
After Benjamin and his wife were killed by indians, Jeremiah, his mother and a
niece left their home and made their way up the river. On their escape,
Jeremiah's son, Solomon was born near Camp Run in a cave known as "Saulie's
Rock."
SEE: Calhoun County Lines and Links for Dec. 1983 which states that Jeremiah
sold "a small tract of land on Elk River at the mouth of the Holly river" to
Peter Coger in 1817. The same source also lists Jeremiah's wife as Elizabeth
Mann.

Subj: Rebuttal of above: Re: John GEDCOM Date:
9/14/98 7:13:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time
From: dtivener@richnet.net (dtivener) To: JRCRIN001@aol.com
Scotch-Irish Chronicles. (162) Joseph Carpenter, guardian of Joseph, James and
Jacob Scott, orphans of John Scott, summoned to account. 21 Nov. 1764. This is
the recorded date in Augusta Co. Va. court records. I disagree with the parents
listed for my Jeremiah Carpenter who married to Elizabeth Mann. His great grt.
grandson stated that his great grandfather was the son of William of Botourt
Co. Va. who was killed by the Indians and Jeremiah taken captive by the Shawnee
indians. There is no Nicholas Carpenters in my lines, this is from I believe the
Christopher Zimmerman Carpenter line who sons went to Harrison Co. WV. Nicholas
Carpenter was killed while on a cattle drive to Marietta, Oh. he was from the
German line of Carpenters. I have not found any researchers proof of any
Joseph Solomon Carpenter, who married Sudah Hughes. Joseph C. Carpenter had two
sons with these names of Joseph, Solomon I think someone forgot to read the coma
between them and just put one name down. I am sure that Solomon is not the
father of my Jeremiah, since Braxton Co. Histories have stated many times he is
the son of William of Botetourt Co. Va. For some reason these researchers of the
1990's have changed stories around, causing some confusion on the Braxton Co.
Carpenters. I will go with the printed material of early 1800 & 1900 for my
sources until proven differerent.
As for Francis Elizabeth Dames/Damis there is no records of her first or second
name. The only connection ever found is the court record of her named Damis
wife of John Mann, now married to Joseph Carpenter. Francis Elizabeth Carpenter,
d/o Joseph C. Carpenter married John Mann, their daughter, Elizabeth Mann,
married to Jeremiah (my) she was his first cousin.
Benjamin & Jeremiah Carpenter were young boy growing up on the outer fringes
of the frontier in Western Virginia. The indians, by then pushed west of the
Blue Ridge, were nervous about the advancing whites, and peace between the two
peoples was unreliable and at times nonexist Jeremiah and Elizabeth Mann
Carpenter both buried in the Skidmore Bottom near the Juncture of Holly and Elk
Rivers. Other sources say he is buried at Union Mills, Braxton Co. WV. The first
white settler in the county"; lived Braxton, captured by Indians age 9-18;
settled on Elk River near the mouth of Holly, settled Skidmore Bottom, bef. ca.
1792. History of Braxton Co. & Central WV, by Sutton, p. 360-364.
BRAXTON COUNTY DEED BOOK 5 PAGES 245/246 Abraham & Brooks and Others to John
Hosey: This partition, 27 day of September in the year of our Lord 1845. Between
Abraham Brooks and Sidna his wife, Peter Cogar and Polly his wife, of the county
of Braxton and Jeremiah Carpenter and Elizabeth his wife, Samuel Miller and
Becka his wife, Jesse Tanner and Judy his wife, Amos Carpenter and Ede his wife,
David Long of the County of Jackson and State of Virginia of the one part and
John P. Hosey of the County of Braxton....... (the rest wasm ostly a description
of the land which consisted of three parcels located in Braxton County on

Elk River which included the 180 acres of the originial grant to Jeremiah
Carpenter by patent bearing date of 15 April 1789 on the North Side of Elk
River, also patents dated 1792 & 1822. Affadavits verifiying signatures etc:
Descendants of Joseph Coles Carpenter, Sr.
1 Joseph Coles Carpenter, Sr. b: Abt. 1693 in Musketo cove, L. I. New York
d: 25 Feb 1784 in Botetourt Co. Va.
.. +Unknown m: Abt. 1714 in ,,N.Y.
.. 2 Abigail Carpenter
.. 2 Francis Elizabeth Carpenter b: in New York d: in Va
...... +[1] John Mann, Sr. b: Abt. 1700 in Ulster, Ireland to America in 1730
m. Bef. 1725 d: 28 May 1749 in Botetourt County Virginia
.. *2nd Husband of Francis Elizabeth Carpenter:
...... +[1] John Mann, Sr. b: Abt. 1700 in Ulster, Ireland to America in 1730
m. Bef. 1725 d: 28 May 1749 in Botetourt County Virginia
.. 2 Samuel Carpenter
.. 2 Jeremiah Carpenter b: Abt. 1715 in New York
.. 2 William Carpenter b: Abt. 1720 in New York d: 10 Oct 1763 in Jackson
River Botetourt Co. Va.
...... +Unknown Pringle
.. 2 Joseph Coles Carpenter, Jr. b: Abt. 1723 in New York d: Abt. 1792 in
Botetourt Co. Va.
...... +Abigail Dickenson m: Abt. 1748 d: Bef. 1750
.. *2nd Wife of Joseph Coles Carpenter, Jr.:
...... +Leah m:9 Aug 1786 in Botetourt Co. Va.d: Abt. 1806 in Botetourt Co.Va.
.. 2 Solomon Carpenter, Sr. b: Abt. 1724 in New York, Colony d: Bef. 1784 in
Botetourt Co. Va.
...... +Sudna Hughes b: Abt. 1725 m: Abt. 1740 d: 1762 in Hampshire Co. (W)Va.
.. 2 Thomas Carpenter b: Aft. 1724 in New York d: 1779 in Botetourt, Co. Va.
.. 2 Nathaniel Carpenter b: Abt. 1725 d: 15 Sep 1756
...... +Kate d: Abt. 1750 in Killed by Indians
.. 2 John Carpenter b: Aft. 1725
...... +Nancy Miller
.. 2 Benjamin Carpenter b: 1732-1744 in Musketa Cove( Glen Cove )L.I. N.Y d:
1832 in Amherst, Va
...... +Sarah Carpenter
.. *2nd Wife of Benjamin Carpenter:
...... +Mary m: Abt. 1770 in Amherst, Va
.. 2 Hannah Carpenter b: in ,,VA
...... +Jeremiah Seeley m: Bef. 1764 in NY
.. 2 Mary Carpenter b: in ,,VA
...... +Unknown Viers
.. 2 Martha Carpenter
*2nd Wife of Joseph Coles Carpenter, Sr.:
.. +Judith m: 29 Nov 1751 (widow of John Scott, some desc. of John say her
name was Smith)
*3rd Wife of Joseph Coles Carpenter, Sr.:
.. +Damis Unknown m: Bef. 20 Nov 1764 in ?Virginia or ?New York (first wife
of John Mann) Donna.
On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 23:11:41 -0700 dtivener <dtivener@richnet.net> writes:
John R. > I have been researching the Carpenter and other West Virginia
families for almost 30 years. Most of my research was done prior to internet
researching, and wish I would have had a computer when I was doing all my
hunting. I have to say a lot of my research was from Amos Carpenter book,

and other researchers offering me their family info. My great grandmother was
Emma Belle Carpenter, who married Samuel S. Burdette. My Mother is a
Burdett and I started this research for her. She was always told that her 3rd.
grt. grandfather, Jeremiah Carpenter was a full blooded Shawnee Indian. My
grandmother told me the story many times. I wanted to find this Native
American ancestor. But even tho he talked Shawnee, lived a very out
door life, and appeared in many ways to be a Native American, I found he
was in deed born a white man, and was captured, and lived with the Shawnee.
Most of my mother's family were very early pioneers of West Virginia,
including our John Boone, a nephew of Daniel Boone. I have given my information
(great deal of research) on my Burdette & Boone families to others, who later
put all my information on their web sites as there own work.
I love shareing information, and helping others find their families, but
have been hurt by those who take the information,and do not give
credit to those who have done all the work. In my Carpenter info. I also give
credit to Charles A. Carpenter, (who got it from you I think) who done the
research on the Carpenter family prior to Our John of 1303. This is his
research not mine. I do not know if John L., told you but we have a disagreement
on Solomon Joseph Carpenter, I have never found any reference to a Solomon
Joseph as son of Joseph Coles Carpenter Sr. and said to be the father of my
Jeremiah, b.ca. 1755 who married to Elizabeth Mann, d/o John Mann Sr. & Francis
Elizabeth Carpenter, d/o Joseph Coles Carpenter, Sr. Jeremiah married his first
cousin. Many of the Carpenter's married first and second cousins. Joseph Coles
Carpenter had a son named Solomon and one named Joseph Jr. Think someone has
just not put a coma between the two boys names. I am always open to any proof
of this Solomon Joseph as a son of Joseph Sr. But so far have found none.
If you just want my line of Carpenters, from Jeremiah down to
present time, then please list him as the son of William & unknown wife, of
Botourt Co. Va. Killed by the Indians (Mingo & Delaware Indians) Jeremiah was
captured along with a neighbor boy, called Holcomb, do not know his
first name. The Holcomb boy was killed by the Shawnee. Jeremiah's great
grandson has told the story of his family in the Braxton Co. books. And said
his Jeremiah was the son of William of Jackson River, Va. Donna.

Terry Lee Carpenter's comments:
On Sun, 27 Sep 1998 10:00:51 EDT CrpntrT@aol.com writes:
>John R. -- Sorry I left you off of the list of people who received
this, I thought you were on it. Donna Carpenter-Johnson pointed out that you
were missing, so I've added you to the list that John L. had sent out. So
you won't be missing anything, here's the original message. I've already
gotten one flaming response, but as far as I can tell after reading it once,
there is no legitimate challenge to the facts in this e-mail. I will respond
to the second group message sent out by John L., then the responses I get
from them. I've been spending a lot of time checking my sources and putting
references into the text and am ready to try another round of discussion on
what's proven and what's not on this family. Terry.
>Date: Sat, Sep 26, 1998 10:16 EDT >From: CrpntrT
>Subj: Re: Re: open discussion going on re: Jeremiah Carpenter's Par
>To: jcarp45@sover.net
>cc: aagg@pop.erols.com, dtivener@richnet.net, CrpntrT, busassts-
>donna@juno.com, demott@voyager.net, james_carpenter@bigfoot.com,
>bulldog38@prodigy.net, DCAGUILA@psn.net, jrcrin001@juno.com
>John and all,

>This open discussion is needed and I hope it continues. Time for my
two cents worth. I have several comments on the information you forwarded on 22
>Sep 1998 "Re: open discussion going on re: Jeremiah Carpenter's Parents".
>Let me start by saying that I don't pretend to know everything there
>is to know about these families, and I've made my share of mistakes about
>them. There is still much to be learned. If my data needs to be corrected,
>I want to hear your reasoning and take a look at the sources for
>information.
I will be the first one to admit I'm wrong if I am. I want only one thing here:
>the truth. The nearest thing to the whole truth is next best, but still not
>the same. I won't accept speculation as fact -- if not backed up by proof,
it is speculation. I can cover a good deal of the first part of your
forwarded string of messages with one observation: I'm glad to see Paul
(Mowrey) has written down the stories that have been passed down in his
family. His family has strong traditions, much
of which I've found to be supported by factual records. Some of those
traditions have not been borne out by factual data. Maybe I just haven't
>found all the facts yet, and maybe the tradition is not entirely true.
>Time and more facts will tell.
>Now on to the main part I want to address -- I will offset my comments with
>TC>>> <<<TC for clarity.
>Subj: Rebuttal of above:
>Re: John GEDCOM >Date: 9/14/98 7:13:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Scotch-Irish Chronicles. (162) Joseph Carpenter, guardian of Joseph,
>James & Jacob Scott, orphans of John Scott, summoned to account. 21 Nov. 1764.
>This is the recorded date in Augusta Co. Va. court records.
>TC>>> Note that this date is one day after the court record where >Damis
>Carpenter the former wife of John Mann is listed as wife of Joseph Carpenter
>-- yet many claim that Joseph Sr. married Judith Scott. Unless he was
>a bigamist, he can't be married to two women at once. Perhaps Judith
>had died by 21 Nov and Joseph Sr. had remarried to Damis Mann and is still
>guardian of John and Judith Scott's children (this record is for payment of
>Joseph from John Scott's estate) but it does not say that. Also, I show the
>reference for this court record (assuming 162 is supposed to be a page
reference) as Vol. III, p. 87, in Lyman Chalkley's "Chronicles of the
Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia" (1965 reprint). <<<TC
>
> I disagree with the parents listed for my Jeremiah Carpenter who
>married to Elizabeth Mann. His great grt. grandson stated that his great
>grandfather was the son of William of Botourt Co. Va. who was killed by the
>Indians and Jeremiah taken captive by the Shawnee indians.
>TC>>> Is the great grandson William "Squirrely Bill" Carpenter? If
>so, this is not what he stated. You can read the original transcript of the
>conversation in Lucullus V. McWhorter's "Border Settlers of
>Northwestern Virginia from 1768-1795" (1915), p. 464 -- Squirrely Bill said his
>great grandfather's name was "not now known with certainty." He also said
>that great grandfather came from England -- many people don't accept that
>part as truth yet declare the second part to be gospel -- go figure. In the
>1970s, I read in one of the family journals that Squirrely Bill said William
>was Jeremiah's father, so I went to the source to see if that was true,
>and found it did not say that. Why did that researcher say what he did? As I
>got to know him over the years, I formed the opinion that he was out to
>"prove" something he already believed to be true and was willing to embellish

>the facts to make them fit his preconception. There have been numerous
>examples of that very thing. Do be careful and check sources as you go along
>in your research. <<<TC
>
> There is no Nicholas Carpenters in my lines, this is from I believe
>the Christopher Zimmerman Carpenter line who sons went to Harrison Co. WV.
>Nicholas Carpenter was killed while on a cattle drive to Marietta, Oh.
>he was from the German line of Carpenters.
>
>TC>>> One Nicholas Carpenter was killed on a cattle drive to OH, in
>1791. Another one was killed in the same raid in which the Carpenters were
>attacked and taken captive. That raid took place in 1756. The original list
>of casualties is still preserved, and it lists Nicholas as killed. This
>is the name that was mis-read or deliberately changed to William, giving rise
>to our current discussion. You can see the original list of casualties and
>prisoners in the Va. Archives, or read the transcript published in the
"Virginia >Historical Magazine," Vol. 2, starting on p. 399. <<<TC
>
>I have not found any researchers proof of any Josesph Solomon
>Carpenter, who married Sudah Hughes. Joseph C. Carpenter had two sons with
>these names of Joseph, Solomon I think someone forgot to read the coma between
>them and just put one name down.
>
>TC>>> Joseph Carpenter of Carpenter's Creek (the original name of
>Potts Creek) did possibly have sons named Joseph and Solomon, and this
>explanation for that error is very logical. <<<TC
>
> I am sure that Solomon is not the father of my Jeremiah, since
>Braxton co. Histories have stated many times he is the son of William of
Botetourt >Co. Va.
>
>TC>>> Various histories have stated many times that Jeremiah was son
>of a William, however they have never offered any proof of their claim, and
>the claim itself can be traced back to Wills de Hass's history published
>in 1851 ("History of the Early Settlement and Indian Wars of Western
>Virginia"). The words in those county histories were often lifted directly from
>de Hass's book, right down to the errors (plagiarism, basically, which
>indicates there was no checking on the facts, or original research done). De
>Hass mistakenly wrote down William instead of Nicholas and the mistake has been
>repeated ever since, by people who did not go back to the source and see that
>de Hass made a mistake. The repetition of a mistake many times does not make
>it correct. It's like the story of Washington and the cherry tree -- told over
>and over again for 200 years yet it still has not been magically transformed
>into truth. So now we have a 147-year-old mistake to correct. There is
>clear evidence that Solomon was father of Jeremiah, but for whatever reason,
>that bit of data is declared false and a mistake that has been repeated
>more times is accepted as truth -- again, go figure. Chalkley's "Chronicles of
>the Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia" Vol. 2, p. 69 states: "Solomon
>died before 1784 intestate, leaving several children of whom Thomas was the
>eldest; also a son Jeremiah Carpenter." Why is this data ignored? <<<TC
>
>For some reason these researchers of the 1990's have changed stories
>around, causing some confusion on the Braxton Co. Carpenters. I will go with

>the printed material of early 1800 & 1900 for my sources until proven
>different. TC>>> Some researchers of the 1990s (and the 1970s and 1980s in
>some of our cases!) are indeed changing stories around -- to make them correct.
>The confusion is in the minds of people who do not look up the source
>material & get the facts, or do not read them with an open mind, or listen to
>those who are trying to bring the truth out. <<<TC
>
>As for Francis Elizabeth Dames/Damis there is no records of her first
>or second name. The only connection ever found is the court record of her
>named Damis wife of John Mann, now married to Joseph Carpenter. Francis
>Elizabeth Carpenter, d/o Joseph C. Carpenter married John Mann, their daughter,
>Elizabeth Mann, married to Jeremiah (my) she was his first cousin.
>
>TC>>> Elizabeth Carpenter who married John Mann was apparently a
>daughter Joseph Carpenter of Carpenter's Creek (Jos. Sr.). I have never found
>a record that proved John and Elizabeth Mann had a daughter Elizabeth who
>married Jeremiah. A copy of the original marriage bond for Jeremiah is in the
>Virginia Archives, and it very clearly reads "Hamm" in the old script.
>Frances Elizabeth Damis appears to be three women, lumped together by
>some one who did not examine the facts. <<<TC
>
> Benjamin & Jeremiah Carpenter were young boy growing up on the outer
>finges of the frontier in Western Virginia. The indians, by then pushed west
>of the Blue Ridge, were nervous about the advancing whites, and peace between
>the two peoples was unreliable and at times nonexist Jeremiah and Elizabeth
>Mann Carpenter both buried in the Skidmore Bottom near the Juncture of
>Holly & Elk Rivers. Other sources say he is buried at Union Mills, Braxton Co.
>WV. The first white settler in the county"; lived Braxton, captured by Indians
>age 9-18; settled on Elk River near the mouth of Holly, settled Skidmore
>bottom, bef. ca. 1792. History of Braxton Co. & Central WV, by Sutton, p.
>360-364. BRAXTON COUNTY DEED BOOK 5 PAGES 245/246 Abraham & Brooks and Others
>to John Hosey: This partition, 27 day of September in the year of our Lord
>1845. Between Abrahm Brooks and Sidna his wife, Peter Cogar and Polly his
>wife, of the county of Braxton and Jeremiah Carpenter and Elizabeth his wife,
>Samuel Miller and Becka his wife, Jesse Tanner and Judy his wife, Amos
>Carpenter and Ede his wife, David Long of the County of Jackson and State of
>Virginia of the one part and John P. Hosey of the County of Braxton....... (the
>rest was mostly a description of the land which consisted of three parcels
>located in Braxton County on Elk River which included the 180 acres of the
>original grant to Jeremiah Carpenter by patent bearing date of 15 April 1789 on
>the North Side of Elk River, also patents dted 1792 & 1822. Affadavits
>verifying signatures etc: Descendants of Joseph Coles Carpenter, Sr.
>
>TC>>> I'm not sure what the first ref. and deed of partition are
>intended to show here. Sutton's history of Braxton County is a good read, but
>notoriously liberal with facts on several matters and is basically unreliable
for details. <<<TC.
> 1 Joseph Coles Carpenter, Sr. b: Abt. 1693 in Musketo cove, L. I.
>New York d: 25 Feb 1784 in Botetourt Co. Va.
>TC>>> Joseph Sr. never used Coles for a middle name. Joseph "Coles"
>Carpenter was so called by one researcher to distinguish him from
other Joseph Carpenters at the time. Unfortunately, not-so-careful people began
>referring to him as though Coles was his middle name, and now it is stated as

>fact. I've never found a single use of a middle name by this Joseph
>Carpenter of Carpenter's Creek in source records. People did most certainly
>use middle names to some extent in the early and mid-1700s, but it was rare
>among the people of British heritage on the frontier. Joseph may have had a
>middle name, but it is not recorded in any source records that I've seen.
>This is also a good place to point out that his parents are not proved, and
>Coles may or may not even be his mother's maiden name -- that is more
>speculation that has been elevated to fact status somewhere along the way;
>research needs to be done in NY to prove or disprove this theory
(he is known to have come from NY, & this speculative line of descent is likely,
but still needs facts to back it). <<<TC.
>.. +Unknown m: Abt. 1714 in ,,N.Y.
>.. 2 Abigail Carpenter
>TC>>>I have never seen evidence for a daughter Abigail in this generation.
>Joseph Jr. had a daughter named Abigail -- see Anne L. Worrell, "Early
>Marriage, Wills, and Some Revolutionary War Records, Botetourt County,
>Virginia" (1976), for Joseph Jr.'s will naming his children. <<<TC
>.. 2 Francis Elizabeth Carpenter b: in New York d: in Va
>...... +[1] John Mann, Sr. b: Abt. 1700 in Ulster, Ireland to America in 1730
>m: Bef. 1725 d: 28 May 1749 in Botetourt County Virginia
>.. *2nd Husband of Francis Elizabeth Carpenter:
>...... +[1] John Mann, Sr. b: Abt. 1700 in Ulster, Ireland to America in 1730
>m:Bef. 1725 d: 28 May 1749 in Botetourt County Virginia
>TC>>> First and second husband are the same? Have never seen proof
>that John Mann had one wife named Frances Elizabeth -- it may have been two
>John Manns, or two wives, one named Frances and the other Elizabeth (John Mann
was >a fairly common name, and there could very have been two or more John
>Manns in the area). Also, the original information on the Manns' origin is
>very tentative, using the words "probably", "may have", "it is assumed",
>etc., to outline his origin -- but those modifiers are not included here, thus
>seeming to transform speculation into fact -- very dangerous for the unwary.
><<<TC
>.. 2 Samuel Carpenter
>TC>>> Samuel Carpenter was a son of Joseph Carpenter Jr. This error
>probably originated from Mary Evelyn Harlow Carpenter, who mixed up Joseph Sr.
>& Joseph Jr. in her ca. 1949 book, "The Carpenters of Fort Carpenter."
>See Anne L. Worrell's book for the list of Joseph Jr.'s children. <<<TC
>.. 2 Jeremiah Carpenter b: Abt. 1715 in New York
>TC>>> I have never seen evidence for a Jeremiah of this generation --
>would like to see the source for this. <<<TC
>.. 2 William Carpenter b: Abt. 1720 in New York d: 10 Oct 1763 in
>Jackson River Botetourt Co. Va.
>...... +Unknown Pringle
>TC>>> Have never seen original evidence for a son William of Joseph
>Sr., & have never seen evidence for a marriage of any Carpenter of this
>generation in this area to a Pringle. Would like to see sources. If this is
>supposed to be the William that was killed in the Indian raid, that raid took
>place in 1756, not 1763, and Nicholas is listed in the manuscript list of
casualties, written ca. 1757. <<<TC.
>.. 2 Joseph Coles Carpenter, Jr. b: Abt. 1723 in New York d: Abt.
>1792 in Botetourt Co. Va.
>...... +Abigail Dickenson m: Abt. 1748 d: Bef. 1750
>.. *2nd Wife of Joseph Coles Carpenter, Jr.:

>...... +Leah m: 9 Aug 1786 in Botetourt Co. Va. d: Abt. 1806 in
>Botetourt Co. Va.
>TC>>> Joseph Jr. never used the middle name Coles either. Abigail
>Dickenson did marry a Joseph Carpenter, and it appears likely it was Joseph
Jr., >however, Joseph Sr. was still alive at that time, apparently. Leah
>was Joseph Jr.'s wife at the time he wrote his Will and is thus his only proved
>wife. He did list a daughter Abigail, and the only one I've found was the
>daughter of Abigail Dickenson so that supports the marriage of Abigail
Dickenson to Joseph Jr., however, it does not prove it. <<<TC
>.. 2 Solomon Carpenter, Sr. b: Abt. 1724 in New York, Colony
>d: Bef. 1784 in Botetourt Co. Va.
>..... +Sudna Hughes b: Abt. 1725 m: Abt. 1740 d: 1762 in Hampshire Co. (W)Va.
>TC>>> There is new evidence that Solomon Sr. may be a brother of
>Joseph Sr. It has not been proved beyond a shadow of a doubt though. Research
>on this point is needed in NY records. <<<TC
>.. 2 Thomas Carpenter b: Aft. 1724 in New York d: 1779 in
>Botetourt, Co. Va.
>TC>>> There is an inventory for a Thomas Carpenter in 1779, but which
>one he was has not been proved. There is evidence that Joseph Sr. had a
>brother named Thomas. <<<TC
>.. 2 Nathaniel Carpenter b: Abt. 1725 d: 15 Sep 1756
>...... +Kate d: Abt. 1750 in Killed by Indians
>TC>>> There was a Nathaniel in the area, but his relationship has not
>been proved. He was definitely not the one whose wife was Kate of Kate's
>Maountain fame -- she was the wife of Nicholas Carpenter of White Sulphur
>Springs, the Nicholas who was killed near Fort Dinwiddie in 1756 and has been
>erroneously called William. His wife survived him, by hiding in the woods with
>her daughter, on a mountain that thus became known as "Kate's Mountain"
>and is still so known. <<<TC
>.. 2 John Carpenter b: Aft. 1725
>...... +Nancy Miller
>TC>>> This John is the progenitor of an entirely different family, and
>is of German origin (he was the immigrant), not related to Joseph Carpenter
>Sr. or the other English Carpenters in and around the big bend of Jacksons
>River. See Lyle C. Sharp's and Frances E. Stoner's "A Carpenter Genealogy"
>(1996, 724 pp.) for a complete history of this John and his descendants.<<<TC
>.. 2 Benjamin Carpenter b: 1732-1744 in Musketa Cove( Glen Cove )L.I. N.Y
>d: 1832 in Amherst, Va.
>...... +Sarah Carpenter
>.. *2nd Wife of Benjamin Carpenter:
>...... +Mary m: Abt. 1770 in Amherst, Va
>TC>>> The Benjamin in Amherst Co. VA has not been proved to be a son
>of Joseph Sr., and does not even appear to be related. Mary was his
>wife, but Sarah was the wife of a completely different Benjamin. This error
was produced in the 1970s, was accepted and then rejected by the DAR, but
>still remains in their records. This is another speculation that has been
>stated over and over again without proof, but is still not proved true.
><<<TLC
>.. 2 Hannah Carpenter b: in ,,VA
>...... +Jeremiah Seeley m: Bef. 1764 in NY
>.. 2 Mary Carpenter b: in ,,VA
>...... +Unknown Viers
>TC>>> Hannah (Carpenter) Seeley is a proved daughter. Mary Carpenter

>who married Robert Viers was a daughter of Joseph Carpenter Jr., not Sr.
><<<TC
>.. 2 Martha Carpenter
>TC>>> Martha Carpenter was a daughter of Joseph Carpenter Jr. <<<TC
> *2nd Wife of Joseph Coles Carpenter, Sr.:
>.. +Judith m: 29 Nov 1751 (widow of John Scott, some desc. of John
>say her name was Smith)
>TC>>> Judith the widow of John Scott did marry a Joseph Carpenter,
>but it has not been proved which one -- Sr. or Jr. Both were possibles at that
>time. Same situation as with "Damis" -- could be Joseph Sr. or Joseph Jr. so
>we can't say for certain without some bit of factual information to
>directly link one of them. Have never seen the claim her maiden name was
Smith before. <<<TC
> *3rd Wife of Joseph Coles Carpenter, Sr.:
>. +Damis Unknown m: Bef. 20 Nov 1764 in ?Virginia or ?New York
>(first wife of John Mann)
>TC>>> Which Joseph had wife Damis the former wife of John Mann also
>has not been proved. Could have been either Sr. or Jr. in 1764. <<<TC
>end
>This e-mail is getting way long, and I'm out of time this morning, so
>I'll stop here. I'll take a look at the other messages and reply as soon
>as possible. Sorry about the lag time in replying -- it has been a very
>busy week at home and work, and I want to give this the thought and detail
>that it deserves. Regards, Terry. (GREAT JOB TERRY! jrc).

NOTE: See wife's notes for Jeremiah Carpenter's (b. abt 1755) history.


31. Elizabeth HAMM-28444 was born on 8 Mar 1755 in of, Botetourt, VA. She died about 1825 in , , VA.

CHILDREN: Most of the children probably belongs to the Jeremiah of William and
not Jeremiah of Solomon. However there are "extra" children that still
have to be sorted out.

NAME: Last name is Hamm not Mann as reported in various genealogies.
Per Mowrey's 1997 book.
!Letter dated 25 Jan. 1998: "At any rate many descendants of my direct
Ancestor, Jeremiah, son of Solomon and nephew of Thomas, has Jeremiah marrying
Elizabeth Mann (supposedly a granddaughter of Moses). She was not! Her name
was definately Elizabeth Hamm. I saw the orginal marriage bond in Greenbrier
County, west Virginia and can not fathom how anyone could mistaken an old
English script capital H for an M or three humped m's for n's. Jeremiah
married Elizabeth Hamm in 1785 and his second cousin, Job Hughes, married Mary
Hamm in 1791. I rather suspect that a William and Drury Hamm who can be found
in the 1785 Tax Lists for Augusta County, Virginia are related to or parents of
these women. It is all that I've found . . ." Paul T. Mowrey.

Elizabeth Mann (Hamm) was probably married one of the Jeremiah Carpenters in
this file. Because of the pointed and well put arguements, both versions
are given in this record. TWO JEREMIAHS ARE THUS SHOWN. Children common to
one are shown with that one. Children common to both are shown under the
Mowrey description.

BIRTH: Jeremiah was born (1755) on the Big Bend of Jackson River, Augusta Co.
VA. The Portion of the Elk River Valley near the mouth of Holly River in
Braxton Co. was first settled by Jeremiah and Benjamin Carpenter and a

few families form Bath Co. Va. However, the settlement worked up stream,
instead of down, and the Carpenter descendants were quite populous early
this century in the Webster Co. towns of Erbacon and Diana.
Jeremiah Carpenter was captured about the age of nine by the Shawnee
Indians. He lived with the Shawnee until he was about age 19 yrs.Married
Elizabeth Mann, d/o John & Francis Elizabeth (Carpenter) Mann. Agusta Co.
Court Records show that John Mann, married Damis Carpenter. Francis
Carpenter Mann, was the aunt of Jeremiah Carpneter, and Elizabeth his
wife his first cousin. It is often thought that perhaps Elizabeth was the
Shawnee maiden that Jeremiah was said to have loved and returned to the
Shawnee Village after his escape to bring back to marry. Perhaps his
aunt and uncle took Elizabeth into their home to protect her from the
others in the village and adopted her as their own, untill she could
marry Jeremiah.
Jeremiah lived in the village of Old Town with the Shawnee, when captured
was with a neighbor friend by the name of Holcomb, the Holcomb boy was
killed by the Shawnee.
Benjamin & Jeremiah Carpenter were young boy growing up on the outer
fringes of the frontier in Western Virginia. The indians, by then pushed
west of the Blue Ridge, were nerovus about the advancing whites, and
peace between the two peoples was unreliable and at times nonexist
Jeremiah and Elizabeth Mann Carpenter both buried in the Skidmore Bottom
near the Juncture of Holly and Elk Rivers.
Other sources say he is buried at Union Mills, Braxton Co. WV. The first
white settler in the county"; lived Braxton, captured by Indians age
9-18; settled on Elk River near the mouth of Holly, settled Skidmore
Bottom, bef. ca. 1792.
History of Braxton Co. & Central WV, by Sutton, p. 360-364.
Jerry & Benjamin Carpenter settled on the Elk in the vicinity of the
mouth of Holly early in the history of the valley. They were brothers and
it is thought that they came from the Greenbrier valley. Jerry had been
carried into the region beyond the Ohio by Indians when a small boy. He
remained with them until man grown before returning to civilized life. He
settled on what was afterwards known as the John P. Hosey farm &
Benjamin, his brother, erected a cabin at the place now occupied by the
little town of Palmer.
A man by the name of O'Brien blazed a trail from the Ohio by way of
the Trace Fork of Steer Creek to the mouth of the Holly. It is not known
at what point he settled, but he marked the way because he did not know
woodcraft well enough to travel without some other guide besides what
nature provided. The Carpenters having spent most of their lives in the
woods could travel for days in any given direction without either a
compass or marks made upon trees with an axe or hunting knife. When they
could not see the sun, they traveled in the proper direction by frequent
examinations of the moss on the tree trunks near the ground. White men
learned from the Indians that the moss grew in the greatest profusion on
the side facing the north. It appears that the Indians did not know of
the Elk settlement until they found O'Brien's trail and followed it
eastward. They came to the house of Benjamin Carpenter and finding his
wife and small child at home both were tomahawked and scalped. The
husband was down under the bank of the river graining a deer skin. He
was soon found and shot at by one of the four Indians in the marauding
party,but the bullet flew wide of its intended mark. Carpenter ran to the

house for his gun. He reached the door and was in the act of getting his
rifle from its rack above the door when he was killed by one of the party
concealed in the house by a bullet from his own gun, which the Indian had
obtained when the cabin was entered, Nancy, a sister of the brothers, was
taken prisoner and the party soon began their homeward journey after the
cabin had been set fire.
Some days before the Indians made their appearance, Jerry (Jeremiah)
went to Fork Lick, for the purpose of hunting buffaloes. He killed one
and jerked a quanity of the meat. Building a rude boat, using the skin
for the purpose, he arrived at the mouth of Holly a short time after the
redskins had left. The cabin was still burning and he was horrified to
see his sister-in-law, who had been scalped and left for dead, walking in
the yard in front of the burning cabin. She was tenderly taken in his
strong arms and carried to the boat, but she died before the opposite
bank was reached. Carpenter prepared to follow the Indinas and rescue his
sister. He was joined in the pursuit by a man by the name of Hughes(
Jesse Hughes), a noted frontier warrior, and another man whose name is
unknown. They had no difficulty in taking up the trail and pursuing it at
rapid pace. The Indians traveled with leisure because they probably
thought that they would not be followed. They were overtaken on Steer
Creek and completely surprised by a well planned method of attack.
Carpenter had told his companions that the first act of the savages, when
they were attacked, would be to kill their prisoner. The attack was
stealthily made and three of the Indians fell before the unerring aim of
the frontier riflemen. The fourth Indian before the reverberations of the
rifle reports had died away threw a tomahawk at the captive woman, but
she dodged the well-directed blow. Snatching up another tomahawk he
started in pursuit of the fleeing woman, but Hughes, like an infuriated
wild beast sprang after him and buried his hachet in his head before he
got in any stricking distance.
The Indians were not scalped, but Carpenter cut a strip of skin
about three inches wide and two feet long from the back of one of them,
beginning at the base of the skull and including a tuft of hair. This
strip was afterwards tanned and used by him for a razor strap. It became
an heir-loom in the Carpenter family. It was in the possession of John L.
Carpenter at the time of the Civil War. William Perrine carried it off,
and , when he was captured by Federal soldiers that gruesome relic of the
days of barbarity and savagery was taken away from him, but what
disposition was made of it is not known.
When Carpenter returned home, he was informed that another party of
Indians were still on the east side of the Ohio River. He took his wife
and scanty supply of necessary articles with them and went up Laurel
creek to the mouth of a small run. Here he found a safe retreat under a
large, projecting rock. His oldest son, Solomon, was born in what is now
Webster County. The stream was called Camp run and it still bears that
name. It is not known when the Carpenter family was murdered but it was
some years before Dunmore's war, which occurred in 1774. [Note Solomon
Carpenter born, 12 Oct. 1792)
They settled in the Elk valley soon after the treaty of Fort Stanwix
in western New York in 1768, which opened up the region west of the
mountains to settlements.
John L. Carpenter, a son of Solomon Carpenter, Sr. married Nancy
Perrine. They settled at the mouth of Missouri run where the town of

Erbacon is now situated. He became the father of the following children:
Dianah, Joseph, Agens, Jane, William Hamilton, Amos, Mary, Catherine and
Estelline. John L. was an herb doctor of splendid ability. He compounded
his own medicine from plants and roots obtained by himself in the woods.
He had a good farm and was an exemplary man, a model farmer and a
law-abiding citzen.
Source Wesbster Co. WV. history. Moccasin Tracks & Other Imprints,
Dodrill.
West Virginians in the Rev.
Carpenter, Jeremiah is buried at Union Mills, Braxton Co. WV.
Nicholas Co. 1820 census:
C615 CARPENTER, Jeremiah NO TWP LISTED # 207
C615 CARPENTER, Jeremiah Jun. NO TWP LISTED # 207
C615 CARPENTER, Solomon NO TWP LISTED # 207
Nicholas 1830
C615 CARPENTER, AMOS # 175 NO TOWNSHIP LISTED
C615 CARPENTER, JEREMIAH # 175 NO TOWNSHIP LISTED
C615 CARPENTER, SOLOMON # 174 NO TOWNSHIP LISTED
Source:Land Office Patents and Grants, Library of Va.
Carpenter, Jeremiah, 25 April 1789, Harrison Co. Va. 180 ac. on Elk river
beginning and about two and half miles above the mouth of Halley Creek.
Grants 19, pg. 392. (This area is now in Braxton Co. WV.)
Carpenter, Jeremiah, 10 Oct. 1822 Nicholas Co. Va. 50 ac. on Elk River
including Jeremiah Carpenters House and Orchard. Grants 71, pg. 304.
MARRIAGE: Alderson, Rockingham Co. Va.

ANOTHER HISTORY: Submmitted by John L. Carpenter via E-MAIL on 7 Jan 2000:
Notes for JEREMIAH CARPENTER: volume 30, tree 0261.
CARPENTER FAMILY - SOURCE: MOCCASIN TRACKS AND OTHER IMPRINTS, Dodrill.
Jerry and Benjamin Carpenter settled on the Elk in the vicinity of the
mouth of Holly early in the history of the valley. They were brothers & it is
thought that they came from the Greenbrier valley. Jerry had been carried into
the region beyond the Ohio by Indians when a small boy. He remained with them
until man grown before returning to civilized life. He settled on what was
afterwards known as the John P. Hosey farm and Benjamin, his brother, erected a
cabin at the place now occupied by the little town of Palmer.
A man by the name of O'BRIEN blazed a trail from the Ohio by way of the
Trace Fork of Steer Creek to the mouth of the Holly. It is not known at what
point he settled, but he marked the way because he did not know woodcraft well
enough to travel without some other guide besides what nature provided. The
Carpenters having spent most of their lives in the woods could travel for days
in any given direction without either a compass or marks made upon trees with
an axe or hunting knife. When they could not see the sun, they traveled in the
proper direction by frequent examinations of the moss on the tree trunks near
the ground. White men learned from the Indians that the moss grew in the
greatest profusion on the side facing the north. It appears that the Indians
did not know of the Elk settlement until they found O'Brien's trail and
followed it eastward. They came to the house of Benjamin Carpenter and finding
his wife and small child at home both were tomahawked and scalped. The husband
was down under the bank of the river graining a deerskin. He was soon found
and shot at by one of the four Indians in the marauding party, but the bullet
flew wide of its intended mark. Carpenter ran to the house for his gun. He
reached the door and was in the act of getting his rifle from its rack above

the door when he was killed by one of the party concealed in the house by a
bullet from his own gun, which the Indian had obtained when the cabin was
entered. Nancy, a sister of the brothers, was taken prisoner and the party
soon began their homeward journey after the cabin had been set afire.
Some days before the Indians made their appearance, Jerry went to Fort
Lick for the purpose of hunting buffaloes. He killed one and jerked a quantity
of the meat. Building a rude boat, using the skin for the purpose, he arrived
at the mouth of Holly a short time after the redskins had left. The cabin was
still burning and he was horrified to see his sister-in-law, who had been
scalped and left for dead, walking in the yard in front of the burning cabin.
She was tenderly taken in his strong arms and carried to the boat, but she died
before the opposite bank was reached. Carpenter prepared to follow the Indians
and rescue his sister. He was joined in the pursuit, by a man by the name of
HUGHES (Jesse), a noted frontier warrior, and another man whose name is
unknown. They had no difficulty in taking up the trail and pursuing it at a
rapid pace. The Indians traveled with leisure because they probably thought
that they would not be followed. They were overtaken on Steer Creek and
completely surprised by a well-planned method of attack. Carpenter had told
his companions that the first act of the savages, when they were attacked,
would be to kill their prisoner. The attack was stealthily made and 3 of the
Indians fell before the unerring aim of the frontier riflemen. The fourth
Indian before the reverberations of the rifle reports had died away threw a
tomahawk at the captive woman, but she dodged the well-directed blow.
Snatching up another tomahawk, he started in pursuit of the fleeing woman, but
HUGHES, like an infuriated wild beast sprang after him and buried his hatchet
in his head before he got in any striking distance. The Indians were not
scalped, but Carpenter cut a strip of skin about 3 inches wide and 2 feet long
from the back of one of them, beginning at the base of the skull and including
a tuft of hair. This strip was afterwards tanned and used by him for a razor
strap. It became an heirloom in the Carpenter family. It was in the possession
of John L. Carpenter at the time of the Civil War. William Perrine carried it
off, and when he was captured by Federal soldiers that gruesome relic of the
days of barbarity and savagery was taken away from him, but what disposition
was made of it is not known.
When Carpenter returned home, he was informed that another party of
Indians were still on the east side of the Ohio. He took his wife and a scanty
supply of necessary articles with him and went up Laurel Creek to the mouth of
a small run. Here he found a safe retreat under a large, projecting rock. His
oldest son, Solomon, was born the first night spent in that strange habitation.
This was called Camp Run and it still bears that name. It is not known when
the Carpenter family was murdered but it was some years before Dunmore's War,
which occurred in 1774. (but Solomon was b. 1783)
They settled in the Elk valley soon after the treaty of Fort Stanwix in
western New York in 1768, which opened up the region west of the mountains to
settlement.
John L., a son of Solomon Carpenter, married Nancy Perrine. They settled
at the mouth of Missouri Run where the town of Erbacon is now situated. He
became the father of the following children:
(see under John L). John L was an herb doctor of splendid ability. He
compounded his own medicine from plants and roots obtained by him in the woods.
He had a good farm and was an exemplary man, a model farmer and a law-abiding
citizen.
Child of JEREMIAH CARPENTER and NANCY is ...
(more info in the CE CD 2001.)

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