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Joseph Carroll, Sr. /Lady Jennet Swance

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Re: Joseph Carroll, Sr. /Lady Jennet Swance

Joy King (View posts)
Posted: 25 Sep 2001 6:12PM GMT
Classification: Query
Judi,

The burr, as you put it, is the proliferation of family history that does not contain verifiable source citations. This means the actual location, and specific records that were found showing the final conclusions being stated are correct and can be verified by other researchers. For additional information on citations you may want to read Elizabeth Shown Mills, EVIDENCE! CITATION & ANALYSIS FOR THE FAMILY HISTORIAN (Baltimore, Maryland: Genealogical Publishing Company, 1997).

I'm familiar with the statements made by Thomas M. Carroll in his S.A.R. papers. But what specific record verifies his claim, "Having received a land grant awarded to his Father, John Carroll, for services rendered in the Army of William, Prince of Orange, he settled in York district, South Carolina in 1750, and located his land claim in that district on Allison and Bullocks creeks and on the little Catawba River."?

Keith's, WATSON FAMILY IN AMERICA, quotes from Thomas M. Carroll's, HISTORY OF THE CARROLL FAMILY, which again has no verifiable source for his statements. So it appears Thomas M. Carroll is the only source cited for this information. As genealogist we have to separate fact from fiction and the facts don't fit this information.

In 1663 the present area of North & South Carolina were included in a grant from King Charles II to "Edward Earl of Clarendon; George, Duke of Albemarle; William, Earl of Craven; John, Lord Berkley; Anthony, Lord Ashley; Sir George Carteret, Sir John Colleton, and Sir William Berkeley, all the country between the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans, between 31° and 36° parallels of latitude, called Carolina, in honor of Charles." This Carolina was divided into North & South Carolina in 1693.
Source: John Hill Wheeler, HISTORICAL SKETCHES OF NORTH CAROLINA FROM 1584-1851 (1851; reprint, Baltimore, Maryland: Regional Publishing Co., 1964), 29-30.

The proprietors were given complete power over the area which included disbursement of the land. This proprietary government lasted until 1729 when, "the crown bought out seven of the eight proprietary shares. Carteret, who refused to sell, eventually received title to an area in North Carolina know as the Granville Tract."
Source: Robert M. Weir, COLONIAL SOUTH CAROLINA A HISTORY (1983; reprint, Columbia, South Carolina: University of South Carolina Press, 1997), 49-51; 102.

This pretty much shows the problem with Thomas M. Carroll's statement. Am I the only one that finds it unreasonable to think a man that emigrated to America by 1741 would wait more than 10 years to move to (then) NC to claim land "three miles square" that was granted to his father? The records show a much more modest amount of land that was apparently acquired by the usual methods of warrant, survey, grant, or purchase by deed from another owner.

The first land records I have for Joseph Carroll, Sr. are from, Brent H. Holcomb, NORTH CAROLINA LAND GRANTS IN SOUTH CAROLINA (1980; reprint, Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1999).

P.17 [Anson Co.]: JOSEPH KERRAL File no. 0337- Plat: Surveyed for Joseph KERRAL 100A on S side Catawba River, on a branch of Fishing Creek...Samuel YOUNG's corner...Pr Samuel YOUNG, Dep. Sur. March 1, 1755- No CB

Ibid. File no. 0338- Plat: Survd for JOSEPH KERRAL, 100A on a branch of Fishing Creek...adj. Samuel YOUNGs corner...Pr Saml YOUNG March 1, 1755 Charles BETTY & Saml COBRUN, chain bearers.

P.54 [Mecklenburg Co.]- JOSEPH CARROL File no.1350 (623); Gr. no.23; Bk.18. p.254 (17,280)- Plat: Surveyed for Joseph CARROL, 220A on forks of Allisons Creek adj. John BARR, Wm. MACKILMURRY, John VENEBEL & his own land...18 May 1766. William DICKSON, Sur.- Wm. MACKILMURREY, JOSEPH CARROL, JR., C.B. Iss. 25 Sept. 1766.

Anson County was formed from Bladen in 1750; Mecklenburg from Anson in 1763; Tryon from Mecklenburg in 1769. Since the final dividing line between NC & SC was not established until 1772, there were many NC grants that were then located in SC. I have found many records for this Carroll family in Anson/Mecklenburg/Tryon counties of NC as well as present York Co., SC.

As for Joseph Carroll Jr., nothing I have found gives the middle name of Elias, or even an initial E. Does anyone have any document with an original signature on it?

White's, ABSTRACTS OF REV. WAR PENSION FILES p.555 has the following:
CARROLL, JOSEPH, MARTHA, W9778, SC Line, sol was a son of JOSEPH CARROLL, SR., sol lived in York Dist SC at enl, sol m MARTHA SWANCY or SWANSEY 28 Feb 1771 & sol d. 17 Feb 1803, wid appl 26 Jan 1846 York Dist SC aged 92, children were; Samuel b in Jan 1772, Elizabeth b 4 Oct 1774, Je(torn)et 6 Nov 1776, Sarah b 20 Mar 1778, Joseph b 15 Sep 1781, John 2 Feb 1784, Henry b 19 Jun 1799 & Isabella b date ?

Also found in SC-DAR Bible Records, pp.46-47
Bible of: JOSEPH CARROLL - York Co., SC
Joseph Carroll . . . Son of Joseph Carroll, Sr., who died during the War of 1776.
Born 17 March 1746, died 17 Feb. 1803
Married 28 Feb. 1771 to Martha Swansey born 6 Jan. 1752, died 13 July 1849
Children:
Samuel Carroll...Son born 6 January 1772
Elizabeth Carroll...Daughter born 4 October 1774
Jennet Carroll...Daughter born 6 Nov. 1776
Sarah Carroll...Daughter born 20 March 1778
Joseph Carroll...Son born 15 Sept. 1781...He was called Jerry
John Carroll...Son born 19 June 1784
Henry Carroll... Son born 19 June 1789, died 14 Dec. 1853
Isabelle Carroll... Daughter born ??? [No date listed for her jk.]

"My father Joseph Carroll was a Sergeant during the Revolution under Gen. Thomas Sumter and fought in the Battles of Cowpens, Hanging Rock and Rocky Mount.". . . Henry Carroll
My mother, Martha Carroll died in Union County, NC [sic JK]

Tombstone at Bethany A.R.P Church in York Co., SC
Joseph Carroll- Died- 17 Feb. 1803- In his 57th year
Martha Carroll- Died- 13 July 1849- In her 97th year
Henry Carroll- Died- 14 Dec. 1853- In his 65th year

I hope this answers some of you questions.

Joy
SubjectAuthorDate Posted
Judi Oldridge 20 Sep 2001 4:22AM GMT 
Joy King 21 Sep 2001 12:45AM GMT 
Judi 21 Sep 2001 8:01PM GMT 
Joy King 22 Sep 2001 12:16AM GMT 
Judi 24 Sep 2001 5:57AM GMT 
Joy King 26 Sep 2001 12:12AM GMT 
Judi 29 Sep 2001 5:01AM GMT 
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