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Joseph Carroll, Sr. /Lady Jennet Swance

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Re: Joseph Carroll, Sr. /Lady Jennet Swance

Posted: 15 Jun 2009 12:35PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Ratchford Wylie
True and you did say there was a younger son named Elias.

However I have seen Joseph Elias Carroll, Jr. which confuses those who think that the father must be Joseph Elias Carroll as well which is not mandatory.

Two other possibilities and still we have a man sure his name should be Joseph Elias Carroll, Jr.:
(1) His father is Joseph Carroll, nothing more.
(2) His father is Joseph Elzebub Carroll or
Joseph Eloysius (a variant of the other one) Carroll or
Joseph Eliakim Carroll and so forth;

where in (2) there was a desire to change to a less weird middle name but still be one of Biblical appearance and (1) where the son's descendants, and possibly the son himself, saw him as his father's namesake, which indeed was, and thus Junior was used where some thought it required a complete match, and it does not truly so require at least as done in practice.

On the other matter, it will be hard to document completely any claim to nobility here, but we Wylies have the same for our American matriarch, being a disinherited daughter of rich nobility for marrying a physician Covenanter or whatever, which has yet to be even personified with her father's name, much less full documentation.

"As yet undocumented family lore" or similar honest honorable phrase is the best way to keep it, not dismiss it, but not be a shill to something that just is not yet known.
SubjectAuthorDate Posted
Judi 3 Oct 2001 4:33PM GMT 
grankk902 15 Jun 2009 5:21PM GMT 
AdamWylieKin 15 Jun 2009 5:39PM GMT 
grankk902 15 Jun 2009 6:00PM GMT 
AdamWylieKin 15 Jun 2009 6:35PM GMT 
grankk902 15 Jun 2009 7:22PM GMT 
grankk902 15 Jun 2009 7:32PM GMT 
cindywoodward... 31 Jul 2009 4:43AM GMT 
MaxCarrollJr 1 Oct 2001 2:33PM GMT 
MaxCarrollJr 15 Jun 2009 11:55PM GMT 
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