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CARSON Peggy Ruth 1925-1998

t42MountOlivet — 2009-11-06 12:58:07Z

CARSON Peggy Ruth 1925-1998

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CARSON Allison R 1921-1992

t42MountOlivet — 2009-11-04 13:19:31Z

CARSON Allison R 1921-1992

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POW/MIA Korean War

powmiadna — 2009-11-01 22:23:16Z

I am searching for the family of a soldier who was killed in the Korea War. When he entered service he gave Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania as his home of record. His remains were never recovered. Our government has no family contact at this time for this soldier

Soldier: MAYNARD EUGENE CARSON
Born: 1926
Date of loss: November 30, 1950 MIA

When the Korean War ended the enemy never returned or accounted for over 8,000 of our servicemen. They died in their hands. That was over 50 years ago. Since that time DNA has been perfected and also they are recovering remains in North Korea. Our government is obligated to return those remains to the proper family. DNA samples have been obtained from most of the families of these missing soldiers. For various reasons some families have not been located.

When the remains are recovered and identified they will be returned to the family for proper burial. I am just an old (79years) Combat Veteran out of the Korean War and thankful that I did return. I consider this a very noble cause and I hope that you can help in some way to find this family. For more information on the project you may go to http://www.jpac.pacom.mil/. My part in the program is to match up the lost families with the proper agency.

I will be grateful for any assistance in locating this family.

Harold Davis
40th Infantry Division
Korea ’52-‘53
910-791-2333
hgdavis@bellsouth.net

Re: Joseph Forrest Carson

alandavid82 — 2009-11-01 15:30:20Z

Hi Lucinda,

I can help you. The parents of Joseph Forest Carson are Mathew V. Carson and Mary Elizabeth Scott. Look at the
1900 Clay, Hancock, West Virginia Census. Mathew V Carson, Mary E. Carson, Joseph F. Carson and brother and sisters. Also see the 1910 Clay, Hancock, West Virginia Census. Mathew V Carson, Lizzie Carson, Forrest Carson and brother Charles Carson. I can provide much more help

CARSON John M 1883-1956

t42MountOlivet — 2009-11-01 13:25:16Z

CARSON John M 1883-1956

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Re: William Pinckney Carson

gkcarson — 2009-10-30 19:01:50Z

Your William Pinckney Carson born 1800-1826 in Chatham NC could be the same one in Rutherford NC. Were they born around the same time and did they die around the same time?

I've suspect Rutherford NC Carson lines may be related to those in Orange.

Most of the Carson lines in Orange NC prior to 1790 seem to be connected. These are circumstantially connected:
- Robert Carson 1760s (S Hyco present Caswell)
- David Carson 1760s and 1770s (S Hyco present Caswell)
- Moses Carson 1770s (S Hyco on county line)
- James Carson dec'd 1807 in Orange NC (was in Orange 1780s)
- John Carson 1760s-1780s (father of John English Carson)

I don't know about Alexander Carson in Orange 1760s decd 1791....he may also connect to the above.

Gary

CARSON Margaret A 1884-1978

t42MountOlivet — 2009-10-29 15:24:57Z

CARSON Margaret A 1884-1978

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Re: Carsons of Armstrong Co., Pa

shangrila4844 — 2009-10-29 15:23:20Z

I have a Carson line, 2x Grgrf, James b. 1800 Carlisle PA; d. 1875 Old Allegheny, Allegheny Co., PA.

Not aware he or his parents were ever in Armstrong Co., but anything is possible.

Nothings on his parents or sibings. Married to Mary GEER (1810--1885) with Butler, PA connections.

Marybeth
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Re: Carsons of Buncombe NC

allsnipes — 2009-10-29 15:22:29Z

My Carson's are from Chatham Co., NC which now adjoins Orange Co. In the 1770s Chatham Co. was formed from Orange Co. I can trace back to William Pinckney Carson from Chatham Co., NC (b. bet 1800-1826 and died aft 1900) who married Martha Susan Dodd. They were the parents of Doctor Jones Carson (b ca 1852 d.1924) who married Betty Dollar. They were the parents of Annie Blanch Carson (b. 1886 dca 1960 in MD). She married Troffie Loan Jenkins. I have often wondered in my William Pinckney Carson was the same William Pinckney Carson of Rutherford Co, the son of John Daniel Carson, Jr. and Mary Withrow.

I would be interested in any comments.

CARSON, James Cochran & Lila Vera Miller

veggietoo — 2009-10-27 14:31:14Z

Hello! I am seeking obits/articles for James Cochran CARSON, b. 1 Sep 1912 in Buffalo WV, s/o George Thomas CARSON & Evalena Arbettie COCHRAN; m. Lila Vera MILLER (b. 14 Nov 1915, Charleston, WV) on 10 Jul 1932. They both died 6 Jan 1978, in Maitland, Orange Co., FL. They were both buried in Sunset Memorial Cemetery, South Charleston, WV.

If someone could be of assistance, I would be very grateful! Thanks in advance, and with patience, Kendra

Carsons of Armstrong Co., Pa

donaldcarson1 — 2009-10-26 14:29:35Z

looking for any info on the carsons that relocated from ireland to this beautiful area in the early 1800's.
echo, bryan, rural valley & dayton were the primary locations

many thanks!

CARSON Elizabeth L and James M

t42MountOlivet — 2009-10-26 11:08:54Z

CARSON Elizabeth L and James M

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Re: Samuel Albert Carson

RLBrand — 2009-10-25 20:27:16Z

I just saw your message [Oct 2009] Are you still looking for Samuel Albert Caron?

Re: DNA testing

gkcarson — 2009-10-20 04:16:11Z

Hi Jay,
Have you decided to do the YDNA test? The descendant of Thomas Carson born 1740 Scotland died Washington Co PA doing the YDNA test was Rich Carson....I think he still lives in that area of PA.

The I haplogroup Carson line to which Thomas Carson belongs shows up first show up in the US included New Castle Co DE, Chester Co PA, Lancaster Co PA, Cumberland Co PA and Chester Co SC. The matches in that lineage (6 or 7 branches) suggest a common ancestor probably in the 1600s in Scotland, via N Ireland in some cases. There are at least two other branches off of the same I ancestor that diverge some in matches although we share a common Carson paternal ancestor further back.

Interestingly, there is another Carson line in Chester PA in the R haplogroup that is not at all related to our I haplogroup.

Let me know if/when you do the YDNA.

I'm trying to get other Carson lines in DE, PA, VA, NC and SC 1700s to do the YDNA....might help us sort out our varios lines.

Gary Carson

US Army PFC Virgil B. Carson of Johnson County, Wyoming

garyngina — 2009-10-17 01:39:48Z

I'm trying to find information on US Army PFC Virgil B. Carson, a World War II MIA from Johnson County, Wyoming. He served in the 82nd Airborne Division, and he is commemorated on the Walls of the Missing, Netherlands American Cemetery, Margraten, Netherlands. He was reported missing in action on October 2, 1944. He was born in 1924 and entered the Army on August 30, 1943.

Looking for Vernon James Carson

Taxpro1985 — 2009-10-07 16:29:29Z

Lived in Missouri, died of cancer in California married to someone named Mary, He lived in Missouri originally, was married to Wanda Mae Henderson

Christopher Houston "Kit" Carson Photo

Marcine_Lohman — 2009-10-06 18:00:30Z

When I find identified photos on eBay, I like to post them on related message boards for possible relatives. The attached photo is identified below.

American Frontiersman & Old West Legend, Kit Carson

Christopher Houston "Kit" Carson (December 24, 1809 – May 23, 1868) was an American frontiersman. Carson left home at an early age and became a trapper. He gained notoriety for his role as John C. Fremont's guide in the American West. Carson also played a minor role in California during the 1846-48 Mexican-American War, and later became a rancher in New Mexico. During the American Civil War, he helped organize the New Mexico volunteer infantry, and fought against Navajo natives, against his will, but by order of the U.S. Army. By 1864, about 8000 Navajo had surrendered to the U.S. Army, while another 8000 hid in the back country. Kit Carson finally went home to his family. After the Civil War, Carson moved to Colorado, where he died.

Early life
Born in Madison County, Kentucky, near the city of Richmond, Carson was raised in a rural area near Franklin, Missouri (Pacific, MO use to be called Franklin - is this the same town?), where his family moved in 1811, when Kit was about one year old. Carson's father, Lindsey Carson, was a farmer of Scots-Irish descent, who had fought in the Revolutionary War under General Wade Hampton. There were a total of 15 Carson children: five by Lindsey Carson's first wife, and ten by Kit's mother, Rebecca Robinson. Kit was the eleventh child in the family. The Carson family settled on a tract of land owned by the sons of Daniel Boone, who had purchased the land from the Spanish prior to the Louisiana Purchase. The Boone and Carson families became good friends, working, socializing, and intermarrying.

Carson was eight years old when his father was killed by a falling tree while clearing land. Lindsey Carson's death reduced the Carson family to a desperate poverty, forcing young Kit to drop out of school to work on the family farm, as well as engage in hunting. At age 14, Kit was apprenticed to a saddlemaker (Workman's Saddleshop) in the settlement of Franklin, Missouri. Franklin was situated at the eastern end of the Santa Fe Trail, which had opened two years earlier. Many of the clientele at the saddleshop were trappers and traders, from whom Kit would hear their stirring tales of the Far West. Carson is reported to have found work in the saddle shop suffocating: he once stated "the business did not suit me, and I concluded to leave". His Master may have agreed with his leaving since he offered the odd amount of 1 cent for his return and waited a month to post the notice in the local newspaper.

At sixteen, Carson secretly signed on with a large merchant caravan heading to Santa Fe; his job was to tend the horses, mules, and oxen. During the winter of 1826-1827 he stayed with Matthew Kinkead, a trapper and explorer, in Taos, New Mexico, then known as the capital of the fur trade in the Southwest. Kinkead had been a friend of Carson's father in Missouri, and he taught Carson the skills of a trapper. Carson also began learning the necessary languages and became fluent in Spanish, Navajo, Apache, Cheyenne, Arapaho, Paiute, Shoshone, and Ute.

The trapper years (1829-40)
After gaining experience along the Santa Fe Trail and in Mexico, Carson signed on with a trapping party of forty men, led by Ewing Young in the Spring of 1829; this was Carson's first official expedition as a trapper. The journey took the band into unexplored Apache country along the Gila River. Ewing's group was approached and attacked by Apache natives. It was during this encounter that Carson shot and killed one of the attacking Apache, the first time he killed a man.

At the age of 25, in the summer of 1835, Carson attended an annual mountain man rendezvous, which was held along the Green River in southwestern Wyoming. He became interested in an Arapaho woman whose name, Waa-Nibe, is approximated in English as "Singing Grass" Her tribe was camped nearby the rendezvous. Singing Grass is said to have been popular at the rendezvous and also to have caught the attention of a French-Canadian trapper, Joseph Chouinard. When Singing Grass chose Carson over Chouinard, the rejected suitor became belligerent. Chouinard is reported to have disrupted the camp, so that Carson could no longer tolerate the situation. Words were exchanged, and Carson and Chouinard charged each other on horses, brandishing their weapons. Carson blew off the thumb of his opponent with his pistol, while Chouinard's rifle shot barely missed, grazing Carson below his left ear and scorching his eye and hair. Carson stated that had his opponent's horse not shied as he fired, Chouinard might have finished him off, as he was a splendid shot.

Controversy regarding Chouinard's fate continues, with no certainty achieved. The duel with Chouinard is said to have made Carson famous among the mountain men but was also considered uncharacteristic of him.

Carson considered his years as a trapper to be "the happiest days of my life." Accompanied by Singing Grass, he worked with the Hudson's Bay Company, as well as the renowned frontiersman Jim Bridger, trapping beaver along the Yellowstone, Powder, and Big Horn Rivers, and was found throughout what is now Colorado, Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana. Carson's first child, a daughter named Adeline, was born in 1837. Singing Grass gave birth to a second daughter and developed a fever shortly after the child's birth, and died sometime between 1838-40.

At this time, the nation was undergoing a severe depression (see Panic of 1837). The fur industry was undermined by changing fashion styles: a new demand for silk hats replaced the demand for beaver fur. Also, the trapping industry had devastated the beaver population; this combination of facts ended the need for trappers. Carson stated, "Beaver was getting scarce, it became necessary to try our hand at something else."

He attended the last mountain man rendezvous, held in the summer of 1840 (again at Ft. Bridger near the Green River) and moved on to Bent's Fort, finding employment as a hunter. Carson married a Cheyenne woman, Making-Our-Road, in 1841 but Making-Our-Road left him only a short time later to follow her tribe's migration. By 1842 he met and became engaged to the daughter of a prominent Taos family: Josefa Jaramillo. After receiving instruction from Padre Antonio José Martínez, he was baptized into the Catholic Church in 1842. When he was 34, he married 14-year-old Josefa, his third wife, on February 6, 1843. They raised eight children, the descendants of whom remain in the Arkansas Valley of Colorado.

Guide with Fremont (1842-1846)
Carson decided early in 1842 to return east to bring his daughter Adeline to live with relatives near Carson's former home of Franklin, for the purpose of providing her with an education. That summer he met John C. Frémont on a Missouri River steamboat in Missouri. Frémont was preparing to lead his first expedition and was looking for a guide to take him to South Pass. The two men made acquaintance, and Carson offered his services, as he had spent much time in the area. The five month journey, made with 25 men, was a success, and Fremont's report was published by Congress. His report "touched off a wave of wagon caravans filled with hopeful emigrants" heading West.

Frémont's success in the first expedition led to his second expedition, undertaken in the summer of 1843, which proposed to map and describe the second half of the Oregon Trail, from South Pass to the Columbia River. Due to his proven skill as a guide in the first expedition, Carson's services were again requested. This journey took them along the Great Salt Lake into Oregon, establishing all the land in the Great Basin to be land-locked, which contributed greatly to the understanding of North American geography at the time. Their trip brought them into sight of Mount Rainier, Mount Saint Helens, and Mount Hood.

One purpose of this expedition had been to locate the Buenaventura, a major east-west river that was believed to connect the Great Lakes with the Pacific Ocean. Though its existence was accepted as scientific fact at the time, it was not to be found. Frémont's second expedition established that this mystical river was a fable.

The second expedition became snowbound in the Sierra Nevadas that winter, and was in danger of mass starvation. Carson's wilderness expertise pulled them through, in spite of being half-starved. Food was scarce enough that their mules "ate one another's tails and the leather of the pack saddles."

The expedition moved south into the Mojave Desert, enduring attacks by Natives, which killed one man. Also, when the expedition had crossed into California, they had officially invaded Mexico. The threat of military intervention by that country sent Fremont's expedition further southeast, into Nevada, at a watering hole known as Las Vegas. The party traveled on to Bent's Fort, and by August, 1844 returned to Washington, over a year after their departure. Another Congressional report on Fremont's expedition was published. By the time of the second report in 1845, Frémont and Carson were becoming nationally famous.

Somewhere along this route, Frémont and party came across a Mexican man and a boy who were survivors of an ambush by a band of Natives, who had killed two men, staked two women to the ground and mutilated them, and stolen 30 horses. Carson and fellow mountain man Alex Godey took pity on the two survivors. They tracked the Native band for 2 days, and upon locating them, rushed into their encampment. They killed two Native Americans, scattered the rest, and returned with the horses.

"More than any other single factor or incident, [the Mojave Desert incident] from Frémont's second expedition report is where the Kit Carson legend was born....."

On June 1, 1845 John Frémont and 55 men left St. Louis, with Carson as guide, on the third expedition. The stated goal was to "map the source of the Arkansas River", on the east side of the Rocky Mountains. But upon reaching the Arkansas, Frémont suddenly made a hasty trail straight to California, without explanation. Arriving in the Sacramento Valley in early winter 1846, he promptly sought to stir up patriotic enthusiasm among the American settlers there. He promised that if war with Mexico started, his military force would "be there to protect them." Frémont nearly provoked a battle with General José Castro near Monterey, which would have likely resulted in the annihilation of Frémont's group, due to the superior numbers of the Mexican troops. Frémont then fled Mexican-controlled California, and went north to Oregon, finding camp at Klamath Lake.

On the night of May 9, 1846 Frémont received a courier, Lieutenant Archibald Gillespie, who brought him messages from President James Polk. Frémont stayed up late reviewing these messages and neglected to post a watchman for the camp, as was customary for security measures. The neglect of this action is said to have been troubling to Carson, yet he had "apprehended no danger". Later that night Carson was awakened by the sound of a thump. Jumping up, he saw his friend and fellow trapper Basil Lajeunesse sprawled in blood. He called an alarm and immediately everyone else came to: they were under attack by Native Americans estimated to be several dozen in number. By the time the assailants were beaten off, two other members of Frémonts group were dead. The one dead warrior was judged to be a Klamath Lake Native. Frémont's group fell into "an angry gloom." Carson was beside himself, and Frémont reports he smashed away at the dead warrior's face until it was pulp.

To avenge the deaths of his expedition members, Frémont chose to attack a Klamath Tribe fishing village named Dokdokwas, at the junction of the Williamson River and Klamath Lake, which took place May 10, 1846. Accounts by scholars vary as to what happened but it is certain that the action completely destroyed the village. Carson was nearly killed by a Klamath warrior later that day: his gun misfired, and the warrior drew to shoot a poison arrow; but Frémont, seeing Carson's predicament, trampled the warrior with his horse. Carson stated he felt that he owed Frémont his life due to this incident.

"The tragedy of Dokdokwas is deepened by the fact that most scholars now agree that Frémont and Carson, in their blind vindictiveness, probably chose the wrong tribe to lash out against: In all likelihood the band of native Americans that had killed [Frémont's three men] were from the neighboring Modocs....The Klamaths were culturally related to the Modocs, but the two tribes were bitter enemies."

Turning south from Klamath Lake, Frémont led his expedition back down the Sacramento Valley, and slyly promoted an insurrection of American settlers, which he then took charge of once circumstances had adequately developed, known as the Bear Flag Revolt. Events escalated when a group of Mexicans murdered two American rebels. Frémont imprisoned José de los Santos Berreyesa, the alcalde, or mayor of Sonoma, two other Berreyesa brothers, and others he felt were involved. On June 28, 1846, Berreyesa's father, José de los Reyes Berreyesa, crossed the San Francisco Bay and landed near San Quentin with two cousins, twin sons of Francisco de Haro, intending to visit his sons in jail. Frémont ordered Carson and two others to execute the three Californios. Later, Carson told Jasper O'Farrell that he regretted killing the men, but that the act was only one such that Frémont ordered him to commit.

Mexican American War service
Frémont's California Battalion next moved south to the provincial capital of Monterey, California, and met Commodore Robert Stockton there in mid-July 1846. Stockton had sailed into harbor with two American warships and taken claim to Monterey for the United States. Learning that the war with Mexico was underway, Stockton made plans to capture Los Angeles and San Diego and proceed on to Mexico City. He joined forces with Frémont, and made Carson a lieutenant, thus initiating Carson's military career.

Frémont's unit arrived in San Diego on one of Stockton's ships on July 29, 1846, and took over the town without resistance. Stockton, traveling on a separate warship, claimed Santa Barbara a few days later. (See Mission Santa Barbara and Presidio of Santa Barbara). Meeting up and joining forces in San Diego, they marched to Los Angeles and claimed this town without any challenge, and Stockton declared California to be United States territory on August 17, 1846. The following day, August 18, Stephen W. Kearny rode into Santa Fe, New Mexico with his Army of the West and declared the New Mexican territory conquered.

Stockton and Frémont were eager to announce the conquest of California to President Polk, and wished for Carson to carry their correspondence overland to the President. Carson accepted the mission, and pledged to cross the continent within 60 days. He left Los Angeles with 15 men and 6 Delaware natives on September 5.

Service with Kearny
Thirty one days later on October 6, Carson chanced to meet Kearny and his 300 dragoons at the deserted village of Valverde. Kearny was under orders from the Polk Administration to subdue both New Mexico and California, and set up governments there. Learning that California was already conquered, he sent 200 of his men back to Santa Fe, and ordered Carson to guide him back to California so he could stabilize the situation there. Kearny sent the mail on to Washington by another courier.

For the next six weeks, Lt. Carson guided Kearny and the 100 dragoons west along the Gila River over very rugged terrain, arriving at the Colorado River on November 25. On some parts of the trail mules died at a rate of almost 12 a day. By December 5, three months after leaving Los Angeles, Carson had brought Kearny's men to within 25 miles (40 km) of their destination, San Diego.

A Mexican courier was captured en route to Sonora Mexico carrying letters to General Jose Castro that reported a Mexican revolt which had recaptured California from Commodore Stockton: all the coastal cities now were back under Mexican control, except for San Diego, where the Mexicans had Stockton pinned down and under siege. Kearny was himself in perilous danger, as his force was reduced both in numbers and in a state of physical exhaustion: they had to come out of the Gila River trail and confront the Mexican forces, or risk perishing in the desert.

The Battle of San Pasqual
While approaching San Diego, Kearny sent a rancher ahead to notify Commodore Stockton of his presence. The rancher, Edward Stokes, returned with 39 American troops and information that several hundred Mexican dragoons under Capt Andres Pico were camped at the indigenous village of San Pasqual, lying on the route between him and Stockton. Kearny decided to raid Pico in order to capture fresh horses, and sent out a scouting party on the night of December 5-6.

The scouting party encountered a barking dog in San Pasqual, and Captain Pico's troops were aroused from their sleep. Having been detected, Kearny decided to attack, and organized his troops to advance on San Pasqual. A complex battle evolved, where twenty-one Americans were killed and many more wounded: many from the long lances of the Mexican caballeros, who also displayed expert horsemanship. By the end of the second day, December 7, the Americans were nearly out of food and water, low on ammunition and weak from the journey along the Gila River. They faced starvation and possible annihilation by the Mexican troops who vastly outnumbered them, and Kearny ordered his men to dig in on top of a small hill.

Kearny then sent Carson and two other men to slip through the siege and get reinforcements. Carson, Edward Beale, and a native American left on the night of December 8 for San Diego which was 25 miles (40 km) away. Because their canteens made too much noise, they were left along the path. Because their boots also made too much noise, Carson and Beale removed these and tucked them under their belts. These they lost, and Carson and Beale traveled the distance to San Diego barefoot through desert, rock, and cactus.

By December 10, Kearny had decided all hope was gone, and planned to attempt a breakout the next morning: but that night, 200 American troops on fresh horses arrived, the Mexican army dispersed with the new show of strength. Kearny was able to arrive in San Diego by December 12. This action contributed to the prompt reconquest of California by the American forces.

Civil War and Indian Activity
Following the recapture of Los Angeles in 1846, Frémont was appointed Governor of California by Commodore Stockton. Frémont sent Carson to carry messages back to Washington City. He stopped in St. Louis and met with Senator Thomas Benton, who was a prominent supporter of the settling of the West and a proponent of Manifest Destiny, and had been prominent in getting Frémont's expedition reports published by Congress. Once in Washington, Carson delivered his messages to Secretary of State James Buchanan, as well as had meetings with Secretary of War William Marcy and President James Polk.

Having completed this mission, Carson received orders to do it all again: return to California with messages, receive further messages there, and bring those back yet again to Washington. By the end of the Frémont expeditions and these courier missions, Carson felt he wanted to settle down with Joséfa, and decided in 1849 to go into farming in Taos.

Carson's public image as an action hero had been sealed by the Frémont expedition reports of 1845. In 1849, the first of many Carson action novels appeared. The first, written by Charles Averill, bore the name Kit Carson: The Prince of the Gold Hunters. This type of western pulp fiction was known as "blood and thunders." In Averill's novel, Carson finds a kidnapped girl and rescues her, after having vowed to her distraught parents in Boston that he would scour the American West until she was found.

This book was among the possessions Carson and Major William Grier found when they recovered the body of Mrs. Ann White in November, 1849. Mrs. White and her daughter had been taken captive by Jicarilla Apaches several weeks earlier. She had been traveling with her husband James White, a trader, to Santa Fe, when a group of native Americans approached them as they camped along the Santa Fe trail. Mr. White tried to disperse the natives with his rifle, but they attacked, killing everyone except Mrs. White, her daughter, and a servant.

Carson and Grier tracked the natives for twelve days to their camp on the Canadian River. Carson wanted an immediate attack, while Grier wanted to parlay with the Jicarillas. The disagreement in tactics caused delay, which gave the natives time to disperse from camp and escape. In the process, Mrs. White appears to have attempted to flee and was killed by an arrow through the heart.

While picking through the belongings that the Jicarillas had left in their camp, one of Major Grier's soldiers came across a book that the White family had carried with them from Missouri: the paperback novel starring Kit Carson. This book must have been shown to him, for he was to comment on it later. This was the first time that the real Kit Carson came in contact with his own myth.

The episode of the White massacre haunted Carson's memory for many years. He once stated, "I have often thought that, as Mrs. White read the book, she prayed for my appearance, knowing that I lived nearby." His fear was that the book had given her a false hope. He wrote later, "I have much regretted the failure to save the life of so esteemed a lady." He was troubled by the implications and false image that developed around his celebrity status.

On the 22nd January (1858), Kit Carson concluded a treaty of peace between the Muatche Utahs, the Arapahoes, and the Pueblos of Taos. They agree to take side with the United States in the event of any issue between them and the people of any Territory, and do what they can for the suppression of rebellion in Utah. Fears were entertained at one time that the Muatche Utahs were in alliance with the Mormons. -New York Tribune, March 23, 1858, p. 1, column 6.

When the American Civil War began in April 1861, Kit Carson resigned his post as federal Indian agent for northern New Mexico and joined the New Mexico volunteer infantry which was being organized by Ceran St. Vrain. Although New Mexico Territory officially allowed slavery, geography and economics made the institution so impractical that there were only a handful of slaves within its boundaries. The territorial government and the leaders of opinion all threw their support to the Union.

Overall command of Union forces in the Department of New Mexico fell to Colonel Edward R. S. Canby of the Regular Army's 19th Infantry, headquartered at Ft. Marcy in Santa Fe. Carson, with the rank of Colonel of Volunteers, commanded the third of five columns in Canby's force. Carson's command was divided into two battalions each made up of four companies of the First New Mexico Volunteers, in all some 500 men.

Early in 1862, Confederate forces in Texas under General Henry Hopkins Sibley undertook an invasion of New Mexico Territory. The goal of this expedition was to conquer the rich Colorado gold fields and redirect this valuable resource from the North to the South.

Advancing up the Rio Grande, Sibley's command clashed with Canby's Union force at Valverde on February 21, 1862. The day-long Battle of Valverde ended when the Confederates captured a Union battery of six guns and forced the rest of Canby's troops back across the river with losses of 68 killed and 160 wounded. Colonel Carson's column spent the morning on the west side of the river out of the action, but at 1 p.m., Canby ordered them to cross, and Carson's battalions fought until ordered to retreat. Carson lost one man killed and one wounded.

Colonel Canby had little or no confidence in the hastily recruited, untrained New Mexico volunteers, "who would not obey orders or obeyed them too late to be of any service." In his battle report, however, he did commend Carson, among other volunteer officers, for his "zeal and energy."

After the battle at Valverde, Colonel Canby and most of the regular troops were ordered to the eastern front, but Carson and his New Mexico Volunteers were fully occupied by "Indian troubles."

Prelude to the Navajo campaign
Contact between the Navajo and the U.S. Army was prompted by a Navajo raid on Socorro, New Mexico near the end of September, 1846. General Kearny, passing nearby on his way to California after his recent conquest of Santa Fe, learned of the raid and sent a note to Col. William Doniphan, his second in command in Santa Fe. He asked Doniphan to send a regiment of soldiers into Navajo country and secure a peace treaty with them.

A detachment of 30 men made contact with the Navajo and spoke to the Navajo Chief Narbona in mid-October, about the same time that Carson met Gen. Kearny on the trail to California. A second meeting with Chief Narbona and Col. Doniphan occurred several weeks later. Doniphan informed the Navajo that all their land now belonged to the United States, and the Navajo and New Mexicans were now the "children of the United States." In spite of this, the Navajo signed a treaty, known as the Bear Spring treaty, on November 21, 1846. The treaty forbade the Navajo to raid or make war on the New Mexicans, but allowed the New Mexicans the privilege of making war on the Navajo if they saw fit.

Despite the treaty, raiding continued in New Mexico by the Navajo, as well as the Jicarilla Apache, Mescalero Apache, Ute, Comanche, and Kiowa. On August 16, 1849 the U.S. Army began an expedition into the heart of Navajo country on an organized reconnaissance for the purpose of impressing the Navajo with the might of the U.S. military, and to map the terrain for further operations and to plan forts. The expedition was led by Col. John Washington, the military governor of New Mexico at the time. The expedition included nearly a thousand infantry (U.S. and New Mexican volunteers), hundreds of horses and mules, a supply train, 55 native Pueblo scouts, and four artillery guns.

On August 29-30, 1849, Washington's expedition was in need of water, and began pillaging Navajo cornfields. It became clear the Navajo intended to resist further pillaging, with mounted warriors darting back and forth around Washington's troops. It is further documented that Washington's reasoning was that the pillaging of Navajo crops was justified because the Navajo would have to reimburse the U.S. government for the cost of the expedition.

In this setting, Washington was still able to communicate to the Navajo that in spite of the hostile situation, they and the whites could "still be friends if the Navajo came with their chiefs the next day and signed a treaty." This is in fact exactly what the Navajo did.

The next day Chief Narbona came once again to "talk peace," along with several other headmen. An accord was reached on nearly every matter. When a New Mexican thought he saw his stolen horse and the Navajo protested its return, a scuffle broke out. (The Navajo position was that the horse had passed through several owners by this time, and now rightfully belonged to its Navajo owner). Col. Washington sided with the New Mexican. Since the Navajo owner now took his horse and fled the scene, Washington told the New Mexican to go pick out any Navajo horse he wanted. The rest of the Navajo present figured out what was happening, and turned and fled. At this, Col. Washington ordered his soldiers to fire.

Seven Navajo were killed in the volleys; the rest ran and could not be caught. One of the dying was Chief Narbona, who was scalped as he lay dying by a New Mexican souvenir hunter. This massacre prompted the warlike Navajo leaders such as Manuelito to gain influence over those who were advocates of peace.

Carson's Navajo campaign
Raiding by native Americans had been rather constant up through 1862, and New Mexicans were becoming more outspoken in their demand that something be done. Col. Canby devised a plan for the removal of the Navajo to a distant reservation and sent his plans to his superiors in Washington D.C. But that year, Canby was promoted to general and recalled back east for other duties. His replacement as commander of the Federal District of New Mexico was Brigadier General James H. Carleton.

Carleton believed that the Navajo conflict was the reason for New Mexico's "depressing backwardness." He naturally turned to Kit Carson to help him fulfill his plans of upgrading New Mexico and his own career: Carson was nationally known and had helped boost the careers of a series of military commanders who had employed him.

Carleton saw a way to harness the anxieties that had been stirred up [in New Mexico] by the Confederate invasion and the still-hovering fear that the Texans might return. If the territory was already on a war footing, the whole society alert and inflamed, then why not direct all this ramped up energy toward something useful? Carleton immediately declared a state of martial law, with curfews and mandatory passports for travel, and then brought all his newly streamlined authority to bear on cleaning up the Navajo mess. With a focus that bordered on obsession, he was determined finally to make good on Kearny's old promise that the United States would "correct all this."

Furthermore, Carleton believed there was gold in the Navajo's country, and felt they should be driven out in order to allow the development of this possibility. The immediate prelude to Carleton's Navajo campaign was to force the Mescalero Apache to Bosque Redondo. Carleton ordered Carson to kill all the men of that tribe, and say that he (Carson) had been sent to "punish them for their treachery and crimes."

Carson was appalled by this brutal attitude and refused to obey it. He accepted the surrender of more than a hundred Mescalero warriors who sought refuge with him. Nonetheless, he completed his campaign in a month.

When Carson learned that Carleton intended for him to pursue the Navajo he sent Carleton a letter of resignation dated February 3, 1863. Carleton refused to accept this and used the force of his personality to maintain Carson's cooperation. In language that was similar to his description of the Mescalero Apache, Carleton ordered Carson to lead an expedition against the Navajo, and to say to them, "You have deceived us too often, and robbed and murdered our people too long, to trust you again at large in your own country. This war shall be pursued against you if it takes years, now that we have begun, until you cease to exist or move. There can be no other talk on the subject."

Under Carleton's direction, Carson instituted a scorched earth policy, burning Navajo fields, and homes, and confiscating or killing their livestock. Carson did not cut down any orchard trees. He was aided by other native American tribes with long-standing enmity toward the Navajos, chiefly the Utes. Carson was pleased with the work the Utes did for him, but they went home early in the campaign when told they could not confiscate Navajo booty.

Carson also had difficulty with his New Mexico volunteers. Troopers deserted and officers resigned. Carson urged Carleton to accept two resignations he was forwarding, "as I do not wish to have any officer in my command who is not contented or willing to put up with as much inconvenience and privations for the success of the expedition as I undergo myself."

There were no pitched battles and only a few skirmishes in the Navajo campaign. Carson rounded up and took prisoner every Navajo he could find. In January 1864, Carson sent a company into Canyon de Chelly to investigate the last Navajo stronghold, presuming them to be under the leadership of Manuelito. The Navajo surrendered because of the confiscation of their livestock and food supplies. In the spring of 1864, 8,000 Navajo men, women and children were forced to march or ride in wagons 300 miles (480 km) to Fort Sumner, New Mexico. Navajos call this "The Long Walk." Although Carson had ridden home before the march began, he was held responsible by some Navajo for breaking his word that those who surrendered would not be harmed. As many as 300 died along the way, and many more during the next four years on the reservation. In 1868, after signing a treaty with the U.S. government, these Navajos were allowed to return to a reduced area of their homeland, where the greatly enlarged Navajo Reservation exists today. Thousands of other Navajo who had been living in the wilderness returned to the Navajo homeland centered around Canyon de Chelly.

Southern Plains campaign
In November 1864, Carson was sent by General Carleton to deal with the Natives in western Texas. Carson and his troopers met a combined force of Kiowa, Comanche, and Cheyenne numbering over 1,500 at the ruins of Adobe Walls. In what is known as the Battle of Adobe Walls, the Native force led by Dohäsan made several assaults on Carson's forces which were supported by two mountain howitzers. Carson inflicted heavy losses on the attacking warriors before burning the natives' camp and lodges and returning to Fort Bascom.

A few days later, Colonel John M. Chivington led U.S. troops in a massacre at Sand Creek. Chivington boasted that he had surpassed Carson and would soon be known as the great Indian killer. Carson was outraged at the massacre and openly denounced Chivington's actions.

The Southern Plains campaign led the Comanches to sign the Little Rock Treaty of 1865. In October 1865, General Carleton recommended that Carson be awarded the brevet rank of brigadier general, "for gallantry in the battle of Valverde, and for distinguished conduct and gallantry in the wars against the Mescalero Apaches and against the Navajo natives of New Mexico."

Colorado
When the Civil War ended, and with the native American campaigns successfully concluded, Carson left the army and took up ranching, finally settling in Boggsville, Colorado (near the current Las Animas on the Purgatory River).

Carson died at age 58 from an abdominal aortic aneurysm in the surgeon's quarters in Fort Lyon, Colorado, located east of Las Animas. He is buried in Taos, New Mexico, alongside his wife, Josefa ("Josephine"), who died a month earlier of complications following child birth. His headstone inscription reads: "Kit Carson / Died May 23, 1868 / Aged 59 Years."

His last words were: "Adios Compadres."

Reputation
Many general accounts of Kit Carson describe him as an outstanding honorable person. Albert Richardson, who knew him personally in the 1850s, wrote that Kit Carson was "a gentleman by instinct, upright, pure, and simple-hearted, beloved alike by Indians, Mexicans, and Americans".

Oscar Lipps also presented a positive image of Carson in 1909: "The name of Kit Carson is to this day held in reverence by all the old members of the Navajo tribe. They say he knew how to be just and considerate as well as how to fight the Indians".

Carson's contributions to western history have been reexamined by historians, journalists and Native American activists since the 1960s. In 1968, Carson biographer Harvey L. Carter stated:

In respect to his actual exploits and his actual character, however, Carson was not overrated. If history has to single out one person from among the Mountain Men to receive the admiration of later generations, Carson is the best choice. He had far more of the good qualities and fewer of the bad qualities than anyone else in that varied lot of individuals.

Some journalists and authors during the last 25 years presented alternate views of Kit Carson. For instance, Virginia Hopkins stated in 1988 that "Kit Carson was directly or indirectly responsible for the deaths of thousands of Indians". Her viewpoint is contested by Tom Dunlay, who wrote in 2000 that Carson was directly responsible for less than fifty deaths of indigenous and that, as Carson was not there at the time, Indian deaths on the Long Walk or at Ft. Sumner were the responsibility of the United States Army and General James Carleton.

Ed Quillen, publisher of Colorado Central magazine and columnist for The Denver Post, wrote that "Carson...betrayed [the Navajo], starved them by destroying their farms and livestock in Canyon de Chelly and then brutally marched them to the Bosque Redondo concentration camp". In historical fact, not only was Kit Carson not involved with 'the Long Walk', a few of the natives who made that journey were riding in wagons or riding behind U. S. Soldiers on horseback. In 1970, Lawrence Kelly noted that Carleton had warned 18 Navajo chiefs that all Navajo peoples "must come in and go to the Bosque Redondo where they would be fed and protected until the war was over. That unless they were willing to do this they would be considered hostile". Quillen's contention that Bosque Redondo was a concentration camp has been challenged. For instance, several men went off the reservation and stole 1,000 horses from the native Comanche people to the east.

On January 19, 2006, Marley Shebala, senior news reporter and photographer for Navajo Times, quoted the Fort Defiance Chapter of the Navajo Nation as saying, "Carson ordered his soldiers to shoot any Navajo, including women and children, on sight." This view of Carson's actions may be from General James Carleton’s orders to Carson on October 12, 1862, concerning the Mescalero Apaches: "All Indian men of that tribe are to be killed whenever and wherever you can find them: the women and children will not be harmed, but you will take them prisoners and feed them at Ft. Stanton until you receive other instructions".

Hampton Sides stated that Carson felt the Native Americans needed reservations as a way of physically separating and shielding them from white hostility and white culture. Carson believed most of the Indian troubles in the West were caused by "aggressions on the part of whites." He is said to have viewed the raids on white settlements as driven by desperation, "committed from absolute necessity when in a starving condition." Native American hunting grounds were disappearing as waves of white settlers filled the region.

In 1868, at the urging of Washington and the Commissioner of Indian Affairs, Carson journeyed to Washington D.C. where he personally escorted several Ute Chiefs to meet with the President of the United States to plea for assistance to their tribe.

Popular culture
The legend of Kit Carson began before he died, and has continued to grow through the years through dime novels, poems, music, movies, television, and comic books. These fictional tales tend to portray Carson as a heroic figure slaughtering two bears and a dozen native Americans before breakfast, and when mixed with a few real historic events, the result is that Kit Carson becomes larger than life.

Novels
There are at least 25 titles that have been recorded, from Kit Carson, Prince of the Gold Hunters (1849) through Kit Carson, King of Scouts (1923).

There is also a children's novel, Adaline Falling Star (2000), by Mary Pope Osborne. a fictional story based on Adaline, his daughter from his first marriage, who he left with his family in Missouri during the Fremont expeditions. Carson appears at the beginning and end of the book.

Kit Carson is included in a number of 20th century novels and pulp magazine stories: Comanche Chaser by Dane Coolidge, On Sweet Water Trail by Sabra Conner, On to Oregon by H. W. Morrow, The Pioneers by C. R. Cooper, The Long Trail by J. Allan Dunn and Peltry by H. D. H. Smith.

Kit Carson also appears in historical fiction novel Flashman and the Redskins by George MacDonald Fraser, where he helps guide Flashman and his party across the west to California.

A character by the Name of Kit Carson also appears in the Time Scout novels by Robert Asprin. While not identical in origin or time period to the original, the character bears several similarities, most notably the scouting profession.

There is a Welsh novel, I Ble Aeth Haul Y Bore by Eirug Wyn, which focuses on the Great Walk, and Kit Carson is one of the main characters. He first helps the Blue Coats to persuade the Navajos to move from De Chelley, but then he realizes his mistake and then helps them to overcome a particularly evil sergeant called Dicks.

In Willa Cather's novel Death Comes for the Archbishop, Kit Carson's multifaceted legend is explored, first as compassionate friend to the natives, later as "misguided" soldier.

William Saroyan's Pulitzer winning play "The Time of Your Life" includes a colorful character, an old man, based on the image and reputation of Kit Carson.

Photograph hand oil tinted by artist Margaret A. Rogers

Re: Looking for info on Sarah H. Carson born 14 april 1806

gkcarson — 2009-10-03 23:45:19Z

Robert Carson born 1759 Rowan NC died 1810 Shelby Co KY and Jane Robinson McMullen had a daughter Sarah born between 1795-1810 in Madison Co KY. Robert was a brother of Lindsey Carson, both sons of William Carson of Rowan/Iredell Co NC.

Gary

Re: Carson

2009-08-30 23:05:21Z

I have no personal knowledge - checking the 1880 census -
Isa (Issa) lived with her widowed father - Samuel in Eli, Nuckolls Co, Ne.
Marriage records for Nuckolls - shows Isa Keline -
Carson, George W. Keline, Isa F. 07-23-1880

Samuel KLINE Self W Male W 49 OH Farmer PA PA
Job A. KLINE Son S Male W 24 IL Farm Laborer OH OH
Barney S. KLINE Son S Male W 21 IL Farmer OH OH
Issa F. KLINE Dau S Female W 19 IL Keeping House OH OH

Re: Nancy Carson

hahnsmacaw — 2009-08-06 14:40:40Z

I've done some work on the Carson end. I find Craig, Cooper, Lambert and Carson connected-all from east Tn and end up in NE Arkansas. Do you know anything about a John Carson who worked for Chief Jolly? I've a copy of a photo of Gideon Carson Jr. and except for light colored eyes looks very Cherokee.
email me at malukucacatua "at" netscape.net

I'll send you what I have for family charts for these families

Re: Kerwin

dicarson — 2009-08-06 14:41:46Z

What was your great grandfather's name? Kerwin was my husband's grandfather. My father-in-law spent many hours on snail mail with not much info to show for it. I am assuming from notes I have that Kerwin's father was James Marshall Carson born about 1847. His wife was Mary Frances Durham born about 1852. That is really all the info I have on Kerwin's parents. Nothing on any siblings. Any info you are willing to share on his parents and siblings would be greatly appreciated. If you prefer private email, you can reach me at dicarson@goldrush.com.

Oscar F Carson (1933-1995)

robyn2 — 2009-08-05 02:28:49Z

I was trying to help a friend find her dad, unfortunatly I found him listed in the SSDI.

She knows that her dad was married more than once and that she has at least 3 1/2 siblings. She would really like to find them and find out about that side of her family. I believe the last time she saw her dad was at her 1st Birthday Party.

The only info I have on her dad is the following from the SSDI

Oscar F Carson
B Aug 22, 1933
D Jan 28, 1995
Issued in CA and list last residence as Kincaid, Christian Co., Illinois.

I also found a list of CA divorces and it list three divorces with the groom being an Oscar F Carson. One of which is her mom. They were married in 1967 and divorced in CA in Oct 1970.

Any help would be appreciated!!

Thanks,

Robn

George H. CARSON, Civil War Veteran from Mercer Co., NJ

dawn_bingaman — 2009-09-08 15:30:32Z

Trying to determine if George H. CARSON, a private in Co. E of the 21st New Jersey regiment was the brother of my ancestor, Caroline CARSON.

George H. CARSON married Mary Jane DANIELLY in Nov 1857 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Their children were as follows: John D., b. 1859; Mary R., b. 1861; Emma J., b. 1864; Frank M., b. 1866; Walter M., b. 1873; Lillie M., b. 1878. All birth dates are approximated from later census entries.

I have located the couple in Lawrence Twp., Mercer Co., New Jersey in 1870, and in Trenton from 1880 until 1911, when George H. CARSON died.

Mary Jane (Danielly) CARSON had a sister named Ann who married Isaac CHAMBERS, also in Philadelphia. Both of the DANIELLY girls were b. in Pennsylvania.

Is anyone researching this family who might shed some additional light on them?

Re: John Walker married Sarah Carson

cherokeeredpepper — 2009-08-08 04:11:10Z

Hello,
I would like to share info with you. We have the same John Walker.
Judy

CARSON Delmar Pierce and Mabel Della

t42MountOlivet — 2009-08-04 23:30:02Z

CARSON Delmar Pierce and Mabel Della

I photographed this gravestone in the Mount Olivet Cemetery, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 205,049 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com

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CARSON Bethel 1919-

t42MountOlivet — 2009-07-21 12:49:37Z

CARSON Bethel 1919-

I photographed this gravestone in the Mount Olivet Cemetery, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 204,884 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com .

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CARSON Lloyd 1916-1993

t42MountOlivet — 2009-07-20 03:38:18Z

CARSON Lloyd 1916-1993

I photographed this gravestone in the Mount Olivet Cemetery, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 204,880 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com .

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CARSON Robert Wayne 1944-1944

t42MountOlivet — 2009-08-18 16:36:44Z

CARSON Robert Wayne 1944-1944

I photographed this gravestone in the Mount Olivet Cemetery, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 205,711 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com

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CARSON Ruth Lee 1896-1980

t42MountOlivet — 2009-09-13 19:57:59Z

CARSON Ruth Lee 1896-1980

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Re: Carson/Kane - Coleraine Northern Ireland

gregwcarson — 2009-07-31 00:31:52Z

My ggrandfather Francis Carson b.1838 Is younger bro. to James Carson b.1830 I do not have parents names James is frist b., John Carson b.1832, Samuel Carson b.1834, David Carson b.1836 Francis Carson b. 1838 my ggfather, Rebeeca Carson b.1841?,Margaret Carson ,Matty Carson. I do not have b.dates for.Hope this helps. bless you Greg Carson

Re: William Gideon Carson from Trowbridge, Wiltshire c1854

vcarson38 — 2009-07-27 07:11:30Z

Hi I have some information on william Gideon Carson, he was my great grandfather.
My e-mail address is v.carson@paradise.net.nz
Warmest regards,Victor Carson

Re: CARSONS OF ARMAGH

Len728 — 2009-08-13 22:36:00Z

I have a Daniel Carson, born circa 1810 in Ireland (!!!)- sorry, I don't have further details for him-.His son, John Andrew Carson, born 5/3/1841 in Moneymore, County Londonderry, was my Great grandfather. My mother assured us that the family originated from Armagh but as yet we have no verification of this.There is a history of woodworkers and carpenters etc. in the family.Can anyone help please?
Many thanks.

Question Alexander Carson - 1830 census

chop99 — 2009-09-18 16:30:08Z

Does anyone know to which family line Alexander Carson between ages 20 and 30 in the 1830 federal census in Allegheny City, PA, might connect?

Thank you.

Cindy

Re: Looking for info on Sarah H. Carson born 14 april 1806

gkcarson — 2009-10-03 14:35:25Z

Hi Deanne,
You'll need to provide some locations for Sarah H. Carson (counties) for me to be able to reply with any information (if I have some that is).

Thanks,
Gary

CARSONS in N. Ireland doing YDNA test

gkcarson — 2009-08-14 14:26:12Z

Are there any male Carson descendants in Ireland (or still in Ireland until late 1800s) who have down the YDNA test?

One branch of my Carson line in SC came from N Ireland 1767 (county unknown). Another branch went from Scotland to N. Ireland, back to Scotland then to DE/PA c1760.

My direct line came to PA (probably arrived Philadelphia) c1740-1750 but I have no clue yet where they were just prior.....probably N Ireland.

Gary Carson

Re: John J. Carson b.1840 TN

gkcarson — 2009-08-06 14:39:57Z

Shadrack Carson born 1804 TN and Mary Polly Turner married in Haywood Co NC. They moved later to TN. They had a son named John S(hadrack) Carson born 1834 (married a Green), plus others. I don't know of a John J. Carson.

If you'll email me, I'll forward it to some descendants researching Shadrack's line.

Gary Carson
gkcarson@aol.com

John J. Carson b.1840 TN

pbaber — 2009-08-04 00:23:16Z

I am seeking information on John J. Carson, who was 22 when he married Caroline Armstrong in Richmond, VA. His
marriage record states he was the son of Shadrack and Mary Carson and was born in TN. Where did John and Caroline
go after they married on the 23rd November 1862? The marriage record also states that he was an engineer.

Carson Reference

rrice821 — 2009-09-02 03:15:17Z

To all who are researching Carson Lines from West Virginia, Please check the book entitled: 1850 census, Hancock County, Va.-W. Va. ; baptisms by George M. Scott, 1799-1826; by Freida Olash. There are misconceptions that need to be addressed. This is an invaluable book. You can have someone at a library that has the book copy the information you need. The baptisms of George M. Scott will fill in lots of missing pieces to the line of Samuel Carson and Anna Aten and his 2nd wife Margaret Anderson, among others. The Contents: Historical notes of Hancock County -- W.V. counties in 1790 (map) -- Formation of Ohio and Brooke counties (maps) -- Hancock County, Va.-W.Va. census records -- Every-name index to census readings of Hancock County, Va.-W.Va. -- Introduction of baptism records by Geo. M. Scott -- Baptisms administered by George M. Scott, 1799-1826. It is not available on microfilm from Family History Library.

Re: Ida Mae Carson

bfranklin1967 — 2009-07-29 23:05:15Z

Was Ida Mae Carson her maiden name? married to a many named William Henry Gifford?

Re: Kerwin

dgrego5558 — 2009-08-06 14:41:10Z

Kerwin's brother was my great grandfather

Re: CARSONS OF ARMAGH

lbeckgirl — 2009-08-14 11:45:47Z

I have been in contact with someone who has a Richard Carson on their tree. Richard married his cousin Elizabeth in Newtownhamilton in 1856. Richard's father was John and Elizabeth's father was James Carson, they were cousins. Both John and James were Carpenters. This person on the internet seemed to think that my Thomas could be related to the family of James. He said he would look at his files and let me have any further details (not received yet).

CARSONS OF ARMAGH

lbeckgirl — 2009-08-12 15:27:37Z

My Carson is Maria and she was born circa 1827 in Armagh. Her Father was Thomas and he was a Joiner. Does anyone have any knowledge/info of this family.

LB

Re: Carson

shangrila4844 — 2009-07-26 15:40:17Z

Cindy,

Haven't done much genealogy this summer, so am behind in my replies. I do NOT have any of the given Carson names you mention... ie: Alex., Sarah, Joseph.

My James Carson had two sons; Arthur McGill, b. 1839 and James Buchanan, b. 1841; both born in ALlegheny City PA Dates of death, 1910 and 1901 respectively.

Still searching for parents of James Carson (1800--1875), my 2x grgrf and wife Mary Geer (1810--1885).

Marybeth
acmbjc@aol.com

Looking for info on Sarah H. Carson born 14 april 1806

deannecarroll1 — 2009-10-02 19:23:50Z

Hello,
I'm looking for information on Sarah H. Carson born 14 april 1806. She married Samuel Jamison and had several children including Jane Jamison and Margaret Anna Jamison. These two sisters both married my great great grandfather Coatsworth Pinckney Tharp (at different times). Some of the other children were Victoria Jamison, Thomas H Jamison, James A. Jamison. Sarah H. Carson apparently is related to "The Famous" Kit Carson. I would like to know HOW they are related - where the connection is. Can anyone help me? Thank you!

Re: Looking for info on Sarah H. Carson born 14 april 1806

deannecarroll1 — 2009-10-03 19:11:21Z

Thank you! Perhaps this is the same Sarah.

Re: Looking for info on Sarah H. Carson born 14 april 1806

deannecarroll1 — 2009-10-03 18:32:29Z

Hello,
Thank you for your reply. Sarah H. Carson was Born
4/14/1806 in Nashville, Tennessee, USA and died in
09/10/1867 in Dent County, Missouri, USA. Most of her children were born in Dent County Missouri.

Re: Elizabeth Carson

KevinMyers1256 — 2009-09-16 11:18:32Z

your Elizabeth Carson is in my family tree she was daughter of John Meyer and Anna Mary Ross they came over from germany

George Wesley Carson

Sharon_Peery — 2009-08-30 23:04:45Z

My greatgrandfather George Wesley Carson, b. Jackson Co.
IN 1857, son of Joseph Carson b. KY, married Isa Fidelia
Klein in Nuckolls Co. NE in 1880. His son Floyd Grover
Carson was b. 1890 in Lincoln (other children included
George, Bill, Clarence, Susie and Ivy Carson LaBrie).

My mother Helen Carson Siens was b. in Fremont in 1916,
daughter of Floyd G. Carson and Cora White (of Ohio).

If anyone knows ANYTHING about this family I would be very
glad to hear from you! Sharon Siens Peery

Re: PELEG NELSON CARSON

rockmonster695 — 2009-09-04 17:08:53Z

Hi, My name is Joseph Hunt, son of Charles Hunt, son of Flora Abbott Carson, daughter of Peleg Nelson Carson and doing research along with my cousin on this side of the family. I know that Peleg Nelson Carson was born 5 April 1841 in Iowa, married Francis Ann Abbott on the 21st of Sept 1865 in Woodford Illinois and died on the 12th of March 1922. His father was Issac W Carson born 20 April 1816 in Hardin, Kentucky, married Mary J. Sweet 2 April 1838 in Jacksonville, Morgan Illinois, died 21st Auguse 1896 in Cherryvale, Montgomery, Kansas. His father was John Junior Carson born about 1741 in Kentucky, married to Sarah Haynes, he died some time in 1840 in Illinois. Hope this helps to start your further search.

''Ella'' Jones Carson

RuthCanup11 — 2009-09-08 20:24:13Z

Ella Jones Carson was wife of William Carson ,Her birthdate Oct.1 1868 Died Nov 9 1938 Any information on either would be greatly appreciated.They were from Ga.