Clendenin - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: PA Clendenin Family

snooks1976 — 2012-05-04 15:26:04Z

The Clendenin massacre took place on 15th july 1763. A band of Shawnee's killed Archibald,Nancy, Archbald Jnr. as well as Archibald juniors two children. You shoud google "Glendinen Massacre" to find accounts of the incident.
Cheers Gordon

Clendenins

jonahs_momma2005 — 2012-03-12 18:21:07Z

There was an early thread about Denver Lynn Clendenin. I am a great granddaughter of his. I am through his wife Mary Isabel Pauly. I would like to get as much information from Denver's side since we were not given anything since Isabel divorced him. I believe that Carolyn Foster who had posted on an early post is deceased so if anyone can spare some info, my email is jonahs_momma2005@yahoo.com Thank you everyone in advance for your help!
Sarah Stevens

Re: Re CLENDENIN/GLENDINNING Co Down Ireland

autumnwynds17 — 2012-02-28 14:54:02Z

Looking at the date and don't know if you have ever found anything out about William Glendining of Ireland who married Anne (Rosanne), sister to Robert Kirkpatrick of Glenkiln (ancestor of the Empress Eugenia wife of Napoleon III. He remained in Ireland and died in 1764. His will 16 Nov 1764 proved this in the diocesan court of Down. William's wife Anne was born at Barrel in Kirkmichael, shire of Dumfries. Then I have that a BIble belonging to John Waugh Clendenin of Kansas here in the United States records that three brothers John, Charles and James, born in Dumfries, Scotland, came to America between 1730 and 1750 These are the relatives I am currently working on by am also trying to find my Scottish, Irish and English roots for this name. I do know that my paternal grandmother's father, mother and one brother were from Rothwell, Yorkshire, England and have gotten a lot of information about them and know that they are family but want to make sure all these other people on Clendennen (that is how my name is spelled) side are correct. I live near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in a little town called Beaver Falls, Beaver County, Pennsylvania, USA. If you are still searching and interested in any more information, let me know.

passing of jesse j. clendenin

debrascott17 — 2011-11-29 21:28:55Z

i am sad to announce the passing of my father, jesse james clendenin on october 21, 2011 in madison, wisconsin. he was a direct descendent of thomas clendenin of orange county, north carolina. anyone who wants to discuss the family, please send me a message. debra clendenin carrington scott.

Re: PA Clendenins of the 1700's

jamsarash — 2011-03-26 12:56:02Z

My husband and I have put together a book on "History of Lewis Township". It is Book 1 and contains the census from 1840 to 1930. All of the Clendenins are in there, as well as the Kilborns, Apker, Gray, etc. We have Book 2 coming out very soon with over 100 pictures of Lewis Township which will be followed with Book 3 and 4. For Book 1 , contact me at my e-mail, jamsarash@chilitech.net, phone 570-998-2784 or purchase at Bittner's store in Trout Run, or Gustonian Gifts in Williamsport, PA. Cost of Book 1 is $20.00 plus $5.00 if it is to be mailed.

Re: Re CLENDENIN/GLENDINNING Co Down Ireland

Pangela84 — 2011-03-10 05:06:16Z

Hi Leona,

Do you have Cathy's e-mail? She did not provide one in her post. My great great grandfather's name was John Clendinnen/g and he was born in the early 1850's in Ireland..he immigrated to Canada and wound up in Montreal. I cannot locate his brothers or his sisters but it's a possibly that my John could be Cathy's Samuel's eldest brother. Whew that's a mouthful!

Thanks, Angela

CLENDENIN Charles F - Vietnam Wall section 21W

t42Vietnam_ParkerCoTX — 2011-01-29 22:18:53Z

CLENDENIN Charles F - Vietnam Wall section 21W

Honor our Veterans. This is one of many photographs of the Vietnam Memorial Wall in Parker Co, TX. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 219,138 photos free at http://teafor2.com where they are listed in order by state(Texas), county(Parker), cemetery(Vietnam) and Surname.

If you know more about this person please reply here instead of contacting me because this is not my family.

Re: Sara Ella Clendennan b March 16, 1863

bcee1193 — 2010-06-01 00:03:13Z

I am looking at Sara Ella's marriage license. I cannot see where anyone gave permission for her to marry. Do I not have all of it? If you have more, please may I have a copy? tks for all your help. bc

Robert/Manuel/George Markham Canada/Detroit Michigan

jhatmax — 2010-05-13 14:16:14Z

Glendening/Clendenning/Glendenin/Clendenin
Location: Markham, Middlesex Ontario, Canada
Robert Glendening b.probably abt.1830's- married Mary Flyke
Manuel Glendining-b.1854 married Mary Appleton.-Children Edgar-1878,Maggie-1880,George-1883,Alby Ottis-1897.
Moved to Detroit Wayne, Michigan early 1900's.
George Glendenin/Clendenin-married Violet Losie 1904 in Detroit
Any info or family connection Welcome-please help

Re: Clendenin from Tennessee

cyclemann — 2010-02-04 14:36:37Z

I just noticed your earlier posting. Did you ever get any info on your family? I am from Paris TN and my mother's maiden name is Clendenin.
I might be able to get you in touch with some of the numerous Clendenins in the area.
Best regards,
Mark Mann

Jeremiah

mary_ann45 — 2010-01-21 20:36:40Z

Trying to find someone who has information about Jeremiah Clendenin, who married to Clarissa Martindale. They came from Canada to Michigan in the 1800's.

Maj. George Clendenin of Ft. Benton, Montana

jhardesty001 — 2009-10-31 00:27:22Z

Looking for photos of this gentleman. Would appreciate any leads you may have.

Thanks!

Re: Re CLENDENIN/GLENDINNING Co Down Ireland

davidcoulthard150 — 2009-10-28 22:29:03Z

In your post on ancestry.ca in 2005 you said:-

William Glendening (b 1680 d 16 Nov 1764 in Quarterland, Ireland) and Roseanne Kirkpatrick (b 1682, Dumfries, Scotland) married in 1700 and look to have had 7 children; Jean, Elizabeth, John, Charles, James, Archibald and Andrew. William was the son of a William Glendening (b 1626) and Margaret ?.

Now, I am writing to ask what information you might have about these Glendening children in this tree.

My interest is in an artist born in 1840 to parents, James and Sarah Glendening. James' parents were John Glendening, who married Jane Jackson in Middleton Tyas which is the north west corner of Yorkshire.

This John Glendening came at one time from Carlisle or just north of there which is getting towards where the Glendening family were to be found during the Border Wars of the 1500's and early 1600's.

So I have teh problem of getting back to John's origins about the end of the 1700's.

On seeing your comments I had the feeling taht you might have some links through these children of William and Roseanne, some of whom went to Northern Ireland and perhaps (I am hoping) some who stayed in the English/Scottish borders.

Can you let me know what you can and if you are still following all this along.

The artist I am researching was very prolific and his son has work in London's Tate Gallery.

Thanks

David

Re: Cass CO MI James Clendenin family

ElizabethStockman97 — 2009-07-03 00:29:03Z

Diane,
Please contact me private about this family, I am decendant to Dennis Clendenin-Glendenin brother to this James. We have talked but it has been many years.
Elizabeth Glendenning-Stockman
Stockman@bright.net

Re: Cass CO MI James Clendenin family

terihje — 2009-06-17 18:19:34Z

Ulysses S. G. Clendenin, son of James and Elizabeth, married Cora D. Blacksley in St. Joseph Co., MI 8 Sep 1889. This record names Cora's parents as John Blacksley and [?] Riddle. The mother's name is unclear and could be Susan or Tamson. Is Cora the same Cora who is identified on the 1880 St. Joseph Co. census as the 7-year-old daughter of John Williams and his wife Tamson Riddle Williams? Were there 2 Coras?; if not, was Cora a Blacksley or a Williams? Are there any Clendenin researchers who know Cora Clendenin's parentage?

Re: Clendenen/Clendenin from W.V

bbbplnd — 2009-06-17 17:30:26Z

I am interested in finding out more information about my great grandparents, there names were Carto Benison Clendenin and Francis Clendenin. So if anyone would please respond back would be greatly appreciated.

John Clendenin/Clendening

shirleyarule — 2009-03-09 22:30:00Z

I am trying to locate information on a John Clendening born in Virginia around 1820-1830 or so. But died in Audrian County, Missouri. He married Judy/Julia Shepherd in 1859 and died by 1860 when Judy/Julia gave birth to Missouri Bell Clendening. This is all I know of John.

Re: Archibald Clendenin

Delano93 — 2009-03-09 04:07:28Z

According to my records William Clendenin was the son of Hiram A. and Elizabeth Clendenin. He was born circa 1864 in Kanawha Co., W. Va. and married on 7 Mar 1866 to Mary Bosher, dau. of Leonard and Rebecca (Wheeler) Bosher. Mary was my great-grandfather's sister.

Hunting for Andrew Glendinning

JanetGlendinning45 — 2009-02-28 12:14:07Z

We are hunting for Andrew Glendinning who signed his son's
wedding certificate in Londonderry 1859. His son William was my husband's great grandfather and he married Jane Milligan of Londonderry. We have William's will but can find no trace of Andrew unless he married a Nancy Purvis in Moneymore,co.Londonderry in 1833.He is said to be a farmer on the certificate. We are trying to link this part of the Glendinning family to the Londonderry Standard as William was its proprietor. We also think the family might have originally come from Scotland or Northumberland but cannot find a link from Ireland to either of these.I really am stuck: can anybody help me,please?
Janet Glendinning
Withey Family Tree

CLENDENIN Jason B 1970-2001

t42Moore — 2009-01-23 13:54:18Z

CLENDENIN Jason B 1970-2001

I photographed this gravestone in the Moore Cemetery, Arlington,Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 200,300 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com .

If you know more about this person please reply here,instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family.

Re: ANY CLENDENINS IN LOUISIANA OR ILLINOIS

ballermegan — 2008-08-26 06:15:39Z

My name is Megan Clendenin and I gave a bunch of family from Port Byron IL.

Re: Clendenin in Lebanon PA

jatticusryan — 2008-08-08 21:30:05Z

Neglected to include PA in the Subject.

Clendenin in Lebanon

jatticusryan — 2008-08-08 21:29:14Z

According to the bio for my gr-gr-gr-grandfather Cosmus S. Clendenin in "History of Cumberland and Adams Counties, Pennsylvania" (Warner Beers, 1886, p492), Cosmus S. was born in Lebanon County to William Clendenin and Mary M. (Snoke) Clendenin. William and Mary Clendenin had three children, William (b.1827), the aforementioned Cosmus S. (b.1833) and Mary A. (b.1842).

The 1850 census for Derry Township, Dauphin County clearly shows William Clendenin (aged 50), Mary (aged 45) and the three children by name, as well as, apparently, Mary's father Henry Snoke (aged 75 in 1850). Everything connects the Cosmus S. Clendenin bio to this William Clendenin (including the shared trade of shoemaker).

The 1840 census only confirms head of family, but William Clendenin is there and the appropriate ages for most others in the family seem to be present.

In the Campbelltown section of "History of the Counties of Dauphin and Lebanon" (Egle, Everts & Peck, 1883, p219), there are a William (b.Feb1800-d.1874) and Mary Clendenin (b.Oct1807-d.April1877) listed as buried in the Salem Church (Luthern and Reformed). The dates seem correct so I am guessing this is the father of Cosmus S. Clendenin and, therefore, my gr-gr-gr-gr-grandfather.

What I am looking for is any information regarding William Clendenin (b.1800) and Mary Snoke (b.1807), such as where they originated from, parents names, property, etc. As a PA expat living in the United Kingdom, being so far away it is difficult for me to push further than the information I now have. Elsewhere (http://www.chm.davidson.edu/PAGenWeb/Q1998.html) someone asked about a "Cocmus or John Clendenin who are buried in Campbelltown, Lebanon co. circa 1780" and this intrigued me immensely given Cosmus apparently numerous times in the Clendenin family between 1833 and 1885.

Re: Clendenin Family of Monroe Co., IN.

cornishtx2 — 2007-06-29 23:54:54Z

Was your Nancy born approx 1865
and Sara 16 March 1863

This Sarah is my g gm all I know is that in 1879 they lived in Linestone County , TX A George Wilson signed for them to marry as she was too young.

Does this match anything you have?

Thomas Rufus Clendinen

FairviewTexas — 2007-04-23 03:28:43Z

Thomas Rufus Clendinen, a Virginia Military Institute cadet who participated in the Battle of New Market, was taken to Harpers Ferry for burial from the last account we have. I'm helping a few VMI alumni who for the past two and a half years have been trying to find the graves of the all the New Market Cadets. We have successfully narrowed our list of about 290 cadets to less than 30 whose final resting place is unknown. Thomas Rufus Clendinen is one of the missing.

According to the Francis Gasch's funeral home book,Thomas R. Clendinen died 26 Mar 1910 in Riverdale, MD. The remains were moved to Union Station in DC and the funeral service at Harper's Ferry, Virginia. Another news clipping states Bolivar, Va. is where he was taken for burial.

VMI archives say:
Thomas Rufus Clendinen, Class of 1867: New Market Cadet; Private, Co. D. Genealogy: Born- March 31, 1847, in Baltimore, Md. Father- Dr. Alexander Clendinen; Mother- Marie Louise Belt. Pat. Grandparents- unknown. Mat.
Grandparents- unknown. Married- 1st Wife: Alice Shriver; 2nd Wife: Mary H. English, in 1908. Children- 1st Marriage: 1st: Alice; 2nd: Rose. Career: Lawyer. Died- March 25, 1910, at Riverdale, Prince George Co., Md.

Any information you may have is greatly appreciated!

My website http://www.picturetrail.com/vminewmarket explains the Battle of New Market and has photos of all the graves we have found so far.

Thanks,

Sarah Reveley
San Antonio, Texas

Re: Clendenen/Clendenin from W.V

SHARON BRYANT — 2006-11-11 14:46:43Z

Hello Wendy,

Could you give us some more details? For example, I've made the assumption that your grandfather is alive? You said his name was Charles Burton Clendenin the second. Then you made the assumption that his father had the same name.

That's not necessarily true. If his father had the same name then your grandfather would probably have been Junior, rather than the second.

When was your grandfather born? Do you know the names of any brothers and sisters of his?

We may have the information you need and not necessarily be aware of it.

Too many Clendenins in WV to make this easy.

Thanks,

Sharon

Clendenen/Clendenin from W.V

kiwirain84 — 2006-11-10 14:15:30Z

ok so I know my grandfather but thats about as far as I go....so any help would be greatly appericiated....His name is Charles Burton Clendenin the second..so wait a minute I guess his father would be the same. my grandfather lived in Beckley for a while but along the line my reltivies told me we came from the town clendenin in W.V but you know how speculations can occur so if you have any info. please contact me at kiwirain84@yahoo.com

Re: Answer to Christina

gayemiller1 — 2006-11-05 02:01:20Z

Christina;
I don't know if anyone told you but, Charles did not found Charleston WVA. It was his son, George, who named the town after his deceased father. Locate the book Tran-Allegheny Pioneers by Hale circa 1888 and it tells some pretty interesting info about the Clendenins.

Re: Clendening DNA testing

2006-09-25 01:28:03Z

Sharon, I need to know how to obtain a kit and the price range for same. Leona

Re: Clendening DNA testing

SHARON BRYANT — 2006-09-24 11:22:38Z

Hello Leona,

I'm not hard to find. My email address is listed under the link marked "Links & Announcements" at the Message Board. You will also find listed there the URL for the Clendenin website.

Please send me your question.

Sharon
SharonBryant@cox.net

Clendening DNA testing

2006-09-23 06:51:15Z

Clendenin, att. Sharon Bryant, have tried to reach you on Clendening info. as to DNA testing and researching the Clendenin line. Please contact me @ lbarnhart@bigvalley.net
Leona Clendening Barnhart

Elizabeth Young Nee Clendenin PA

res0g6eb — 2006-09-22 21:52:45Z

I'm looking for a link between a Elizabeth Clendenin Daugther of Robert C Clendenin who married a Thomas H Young. I have msg about a Thomas Young of KY who married a Elizabeth? of PA & msg about Elizabeth Clendenin marrying a Thomas H Young (but no info on Thomas H). The time frames are correct 1780-1790, does anyone have a connection between these two families?

Thanks
Ty Young

LOOKING FOR CLENDENIN & FREEMAN CONNECTION OF NC

joannbadstibner — 2006-08-10 12:46:54Z

CATHERINE CLYDE CLENDENIN B DEC 10,1884 IN BURLINGTON NC MARRIED TO JOSEPH BAILEY FREEMAN B FEB 14,1891 IN BLADEN CTY WITH 4 CHILDREN
LORRAINE ELIZABETH B JUN 19,1919 WASH DC
JEAN CLENDENIN B JAN 14,1924 MD
LESLIE FREEMAN B JAN 20, 1922 MD
JOANE BAILEY B AUG 29,1928 MD

Katherine Clendenin/James Hope - York Co., SC / Cabarrus Co., NC

Family_Lineages — 2006-06-16 17:59:16Z

Aloha! Seeking info on the Clendenin side. Found also a Thomas Clendenin in the Cabarrus Co., NC 1790 census as well as in the York Co., SC 1810. Don't know if he is related to Katherine.

Mahalo!
S. Viehweg
http://www.viehweg.org

Re: Clendenin Mystery

lillian_donnally — 2006-05-10 03:40:46Z

Contact me at liljdonnal@aol.com. I may have a donnally in Charleston, WVA that can help.

Re: Thomas C. Clendenin & wife Melvina Elizabeth Dorton

SHARON BRYANT — 2006-02-08 15:30:44Z

Carolyn,

The 1850 census for Tennessee has several entries for Dortons in Maury Co., TN including a Brittain Dorton, 63, farmer, b NC. Adult female is Nancy Dorton, 63, b NC. There are several children there including an Elizabeth, 20, b NC. The youngest child in the household is 12, born in Tennessee so it appears that they had been in Tennessee since about 1838.

I would suggest the name was Brittain and whoever posted the Brillion name was just unable to read the handwriting or whatever they were looking at.

Hope this helps,

Sharon Bryant

Thomas C. Clendenin & wife Melvina Elizabeth Dorton

scarlet139 — 2006-02-07 17:56:47Z

Thomas Clendenin and Melvina Elizabeth Dorton were my gg grandparents. I am trying to find any information on her parents. We have found them listed here at rootsweb as Brillion Dorton and Nancy Cox, both born North Carolina. I am wondering if this was his real name or does someone have proof out there that his name was Brillion?
Thomas and Melvina had a son Fisher Britton Clendenin. I was wondering if maybe fisher hadn't gotten his name from both of his grandfathers. This is just a thought that I had had since I cannot find any information what so ever on him other than the message that had been posted here by Candyce.If anyone has any information of Melvina Dorton Clendenin please contact me at scarlet@camtel.net

clendenin's

scarlet139 — 2006-02-07 17:24:39Z

Candyce, if you have an e-mail address, could you please contact me. I have been sending e-mails to all that I have found listed for you, but all come back. I appreciate it if you could please contact me regarding the Clendenin's.
Thank you , Carolyn Law McDaniel

Re: Clendenins of fayette c.o W.V

ConnieBurns28 — 2006-02-04 22:58:18Z

Hi Donna, I know you got a reply from Becky Shuff (who is related to me by the way...haha), but I wanted to see if you would possibly correspond with me through email. Otto was the son of Elliott Clendenin, who was my Great Grandmothers brother. Looking forward to hearing from you.
Connie

L. P. Clendenin

mtdececo — 2006-01-12 12:49:24Z

You may want to contact Mable Zeek whose E-mail address is: beemrzeek@aol.com.She has California Clendenins.

Hannah (Clark) Clendenin, b.abt 1818 NY, lived Whiteside Co., IL, mother of Frank, Will, Cassius

margerice1 — 2005-12-10 07:55:09Z

I have an original carte de visite photograph of “Hannah (Clark) Clendenin, mother of Frank, Will, Cassius”, which I would like to get back to family members. Photo was taken in about 1870s, in Morrison (Whiteside Co.) IL, and Hannah looks to be in her 60s.

I found Hannah Clendenin in the 1880 census for Morrison (Whiteside Co.) IL, born about 1818 in NY. She lived next door to Frank Clendenin (her son), who was age 39, and Frank’s family. In 1880, son Cassius C. Clendenin (age 29, born IL), lived in Minneapolis, MN with his wife.

Email me at margerice@prodigy.net if you are related to Hannah Clark Clendenin.

Clendenin Family of Monroe Co., IN.

mccammon — 2005-07-15 15:38:48Z

Seeking info on CHARLES AMERICA CLENDENIN, b. 1811, NC, m. LAVINA ALLEN 1830, Lawrence Co., IN. In 1860, they were living in Clear Creek Twp., Monroe Co., IN. Can't
find them after that. Children were: Nancy C., Robert D.J. and
Sarah [possible others]. CHARLES was a son of FISHER
CLENDENIN. Would appreciate any help, Thanks......Mobie

Re: Rufus Clendenen

adajob — 2005-07-08 17:33:29Z

I saw your query on Ancestry.com. I am the mother-in-law of Michael Wade Clendenen, the son of deceased Howard Clendenen who was the son of Rufus Howard Clendenen, detective.

I love doing genealogy research, so am helping Mike out. For Easter week my husband and I are going with Mike and my daughter to West Virginia for us to do some research on his Clendenen ancestors. Maybe you could point us in the right direction?
Thanks, Ada Jo Burke

Re: Rufus Clendenen

adajob — 2005-07-08 17:33:29Z

I saw your query on Ancestry.com. I am the mother-in-law of Michael Wade Clendenen, the son of deceased Howard Clendenen who was the son of Rufus Howard Clendenen by his first wife, Memphis Lambert.

I love doing genealogy research, so am helping Mike out. For Easter week my husband and I are going with Mike and my daughter to West Virginia for us to do some research on his Clendenen ancestors. Maybe you could point us in the right direction?
Thanks, Ada Jo Burke

Clendenin

2005-06-25 21:29:59Z

Looking for ancestors of my Great Grandfather Rev. Dexter Clendenin and his brother Blaine of Sissonsville,WV

Re: Clendenins of fayette c.o W.V

BeckyFoxShuff — 2005-06-14 14:31:15Z

Hi Donna,
I have these people in my data. We have some pics on our site "Fayette County Footprints". This is a genealogy site on My Family. If you are interested, please email me at Shuff@kvinet.com and I would be happy to send you an invitation.

Becky

Clendenins of fayette c.o W.V

Donna_Robinett — 2005-05-24 22:15:16Z

My Great Grandfather is Otto Clendenin whom was married to Glendora Wood and they had a son named Rondal(my Grandfather)Does any one have any info or pictures or any living relatives that I may contact?

Stephen E. Clendenin-West Virginia

jog49 — 2005-05-11 04:04:48Z

Stephen E. Clendenin married Catherine Marian Bullock
(b. 1 NOV 1872, Robeson Co., NC) and moved to West
Virginia (possibly where he was from originally).
Anyone with a connection to this line, please contact me
by e-mail.

Clendening research (att.Sharon Bryant

2005-04-22 05:44:09Z

Sharon, I still need help on my line, and I can't seem to get through to you on your e-mail add. with a message. Leona

CLENDENEN -Sylvester, David, Andrew

2005-04-15 16:04:38Z

My grandmother was Ruby Clendenen Quandt b.Oct. 1898 m. Eles Quandt; d. Apr 1970

According to info that she gave me.....
Her father was John Henry Clendenen b. Jan. 30, 1865; m. Mary Agnes Scroggins (b. Feb. 9, 1860)
They are both buried in the Steenbergen Cemetery near Mt. Pulaski, Logan Co. IL

His father was Sylvester Clendenen b. 1825, m. Bathesheba Jones (b.1836, Hallsville, Ross Co. OH; d.1916) d. 1914
They are both buried in the Steenbergen Cemetery - as above
children of Sylvester and Bathsheba:
James, Taylor, William, George, John H., Charles, Melvina (Minnie), Anna, Mary Jane (died in infancy)

Sylvester's father was supposedly David - supposedly born in PA - I think my notes read ca. 1800.....Later comes to OH

David's father - supposedly Andrew...supposedly born in IRE, lived in Ohio - spouse unknown and supposedly had at least two sisters......Hannah and Thema (possilby Thelma).

Andrew's parents are unknown.

If anyone has any information on Sylvester, David or Andrew it would be most appreciated as I can find no real record (other than the cemetery listing) for Sylvester and don't think that the David Clendenen in Cumberland Co. PA is connected - but - I could be wrong. The only Andrew that I have found is the one in the list of William Clendenin's children being born in 1757(which kind of makes "dates" sense). Is there a list of this Andrew's children anywhere? Can anyone help?