Clive - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: SIR ROBERT CLIVE

1_slane47 — 2012-02-20 14:23:13Z

I am Robert Clive's 7x Great Grandson. I would also like more information on this topic, and to trace out a family tree.

Re: Clive of Birmingham

gary431 — 2011-11-06 10:32:56Z

Hi Martin,
I to am a decendant of George Clive (1750). Are you interested in swopping info? If so please contact me on yamvile@gmail.com
Regards
Eddie

Re: Clive of Birmingham

MARTINWILKINSON1979 — 2011-08-16 18:53:40Z

Hi im currently researching my Moms side of the Clives. Her father was Samuel Clive (1917). Ive got as far back as George Clive and Lydia Harper.

Many Thanks Martin

Re: Clive of Birmingham

broker69 — 2011-08-15 01:05:32Z

Hi there
Interested to see your connection to the Clives of Birmingham. George and Lydia Clive were my my 4 times gt grandparents. I am descended through their eldest son ThomasClive b.1773 who married Elizabeth Meeson b.1770.I was born in B'ham in 1940 and emigrated to Australia in 1967. I would be happy to supply more details if you wish. My email address is peteandviv@tsn.cc
Hope I may hear from you sometime.
Regards..
Peter

Re: Clive of Birmingham

monmore — 2011-08-14 21:33:07Z

Hi,
I to am a decendant of George Clive. My Grandmother was Mary Elizabeth Clive, the gt gt gt Grandaughter of Goerge. I'd be happy to swop info with you.
My email address is yamvile@gmail.com
I also have a couple of photos and a few Parish register entries on photo if you would like copies.
Hope to hear from you soon
Eddie

Re: Clive of Birmingham

momshell02 — 2011-08-14 21:17:05Z

I am new to this however I have traced back to George Clives and Lydia Harper 1750s through my grandmothers side. any info would be useful
thanks

Re: George Clive

monmore — 2011-08-09 19:36:33Z

HI,
Yes my George Clive did marry Lydia Harper. And George is as far back as i have been able to go with that part of the tree, wanna swop info?
My email address is yamvile@hotmail.com
Speak soon
Eddie

Re: George Clive

monmore — 2011-08-09 19:29:45Z

Hi Robin,
I was so glad to get your message, i was beginning to think that maybe you never got my email.
I dont know much about the Clives that far back, so i would be very grateful if you would be kind enough to help fill in the gaps, and in return if you would like i will send you info on the Brit side of the family. I have some photos and certificates which i'd be happy to send you.
I'll send you an email with some more info. My email address is yamvile@hotmail.com
Hope to hear from you real soon
Eddie

Re: George Clive

sclive — 2011-08-09 19:23:22Z

Hi Eddie - are you referring to the George Clive who married Lydia Harper? If so, we have a connection.

Re: George Clive

supermomrr — 2011-08-09 18:43:03Z

Hello COUSIN! I am a descendant of George Clive as well. But I believe your George is the uncle of my George! haha. I do have information from the Ilion, German Flatts, Herkimer area of NY. I live about 1 hour from there!

My email is supermomrr@aol.com

Robin Rowney Ramos

Caroline Margaret Lugard Clive

joystar5879 — 2011-08-07 20:39:41Z

I am trying to find verified genealogical data for Caroline Margaret Lugard Clive. Miss Clive was reported to be a daughter of Henry Somerset Clive and Ellen "Lizzie" Lugard, and a descendant of Theophilus Clive, a cousin of "Clive of India". Caroline married Col. Colin Philip Greig in 1898 in St. Malo, Brittany France, and had a son, Colin Glennie Greig, born 20 January 1900. The Greigs divorced in 1911. Colin Glennie Greig was better known as film actor Colin Clive, who died in Hollywood in 1937. This part of the line died with him.

Re: George Clive

monmore — 2011-07-17 08:06:53Z

Hi,
I to am a decendant of George Clive, my grandmother was Mary Elizabeth Clives who was gt gt grandaughter to George. I live in Birmingham, and have a lot of info on the Clives from England. I would love to hear from you, and learn more about the family from outside of England. Would you like to swop info? If so let me know and i will send you my email address.
Regards
Eddie

Re: Clive of Birmingham

monmore — 2011-07-17 07:41:54Z

Hi,
I would be very interested in anything you have on the Clives. I am the grandson of Mary Elizabeth Clives. I have a fair bit of info, but always on the lookout for anything new.
Look forward to hearing from you
Eddie

Re: Clive of Birmingham

supermomrr — 2010-09-26 18:26:50Z

Hello Pete, I am in the process of gathering information about the Clive's in German Flatts, NY. I probably dont have much more than you might have. Most of it I have found on the internet and from geneology searches. I plan on making a trip to that area soon to get some photos of the cemetery markers and homes of Henry and Stephen. I have gotten a death certificate for my grandmother, who was Bessie Mae Clive Holden. She was the only child of George L. and Minnie Clive. George was one of the son's of Henry and Emma Clive. Contact me at your convienience. My email address is supermomrr@aol.com

Thank you, Robin

Re: Clive family from Wolverhampton and nearby, Sheffield, Southwark and Massachussetts

Les_Clive — 2010-09-16 20:32:25Z

Greetings from across the pond!

I have seen that quite a few people have connected my ancestor Mezey Clive b.1805 in Staffordshire backwards to George Clive and Lydia Harper.
I did at one time include them as parents of Mezey but became uneasy about it when I could find no evidence to back it up.
It seems that most people were doing the same and just copying the error from one tree to another!
It turned out to be a good call because when I decided to head off to Staffordshire to research actual records I found that my Clive line originated in Worcestershire, and so far I have found no connection to the gunmaker Clives at all.

I'm going to try to send you an invite to see my tree, but if it fails just drop me an email address and I'll do it that way.
The Clives in my general line who went to America were some of the children of William Clive b.1852 in Wolverhampton.

If you know of any connections I love to hear about them....

Regards,
Les Clive

Re: Clive family from Wolverhampton and nearby, Sheffield, Southwark and Massachussetts

spiritcalls1 — 2010-09-11 16:35:36Z

Hi Les -

I descend through George and Lydia (Harper) Clive's son Benjamin. Would be interested in seeing what you have re: the Clives who emigrated to the USA. I can fill in some on a Henry, Stephen, and Benjamin (who was born Benjamin, christened George and used George in the US). Gun makers all.

Re: George Clive

spiritcalls1 — 2010-09-08 21:04:15Z

Robin - no email from you yet. Try resending spiritcalls at hotmail dot com. Sharron

Re: George Clive

supermomrr — 2010-09-08 20:50:50Z

Sharron, I sent a message to your personal email. Please let me know if you recieved it! Thank you. Robin

Re: Henry Clive, Herkimer Co. , NY

spiritcalls1 — 2010-09-08 03:07:39Z

Hey "whit roses" -

As far as I know, Henry Clive's connection to Lord Clive of India is tenuous. He claimed it but so far it's not been proven in genealogy circles. There may be a collateral connection through marriage but no direct connection that I've been able to find. I remain open to the possibility and would love to hear from anyone who can furnish some proof.

Re: George Clive

supermomrr — 2010-09-07 23:07:57Z

Sharon, that is wonderful news! Thank you very much! I will email you tonight with the poem and information I have available.

Blessings, Robin

Re: George Clive

spiritcalls1 — 2010-09-07 23:03:19Z

Hey Robin - Would love a copy of the poem. Although Henry was his given name, the family may have called him Harry. It wasn't unusual to do that (and you have given me a new piece of information). In fact, it wasn't unusual to use a totally unrelated name or a christening name in place of a given name. I can trace your Henry back to 1750 - ancestry George Clive and Lidia/Lydia Harper. He comes from a very well-known family of gun makers in the Sutton Coldfield/Aston/Birmingham area. BTW - Henry and Emma are interred in the Armory Cemetery in Ilion, Herkimer County, NY as are a couple of their children. Henry predeceased Emma. I have a copy of her Last Will and Testament as well as the Petition for probate. At the time of her death (June 13, 1915) she is shown as having real estate worth $3,400. and a personal estate worth $1,300. Contact me offlist (spiritcalls at hotmail.com) with your e-mail address and I'll send you the lineage from 1750 down to Henry, Emma and their Children. I have limited information on their grandchildren and suspect you can fill me in on what I'm missing. Look forward to hearing from you.

Regards, Sharron

Re: George Clive

supermomrr — 2010-09-07 19:29:28Z

Well, I have a family poem that was obviously hand written and passed down. There is not an author or date, but the names stated are Harry Clive and Emma Wall, and the marriage took place, same as your information. Feb. 27, 1861 at St. Phillips. I suppose there could have been a mistake in the name Harry/Henry. It also states they spent time in Bridgeport, Conn. and then settled in Ilion, NY where Harry worked for Remington as a gunmaker. I would be happy to send you a copy of the poem, to learn more of the information you have.

Thank you, Robin

Re: George Clive

spiritcalls1 — 2010-09-07 17:49:30Z

Are you certain of your information? I have a Henry (not Harry) Clive (1844-1911) who married Emma Wall (aka Sarah Anna Emma and Emma S.)on Feb. 27, 1861 at St. Phillips Church, Birmingham. If this is your line, I can provide more.

Sharron

Re: Henry Clive, Herkimer Co. , NY

supermomrr — 2010-09-07 17:19:23Z

I have a family poem written about Harry and Emma! Their son, George, was my mother's grandfather. I would like to share the poem if you are interested. Robin supermomrr@aol.com

Re: George Clive

supermomrr — 2010-09-07 16:31:43Z

I am entering into this search much later than all of you. I hope someone is still on here with current info. My GG Grandfather was Harry Clive from Birmingham. He was connected to St. Phillips Church, that is where he married Emma Wall in 1861. He was born about 1844. I do not know anything about his life in England, other than those. He emmigrated to the US in 1866.

Re: Clive of Birmingham

pete1916 — 2010-09-07 10:53:33Z

Robin, Sent you an E-Mail
Regards
Graham

Re: Clive of Birmingham

supermomrr — 2010-09-07 00:28:05Z

I have just started my family geneology. I am a "newbie", so please pardon me if I am of little help. I am connected to Harry and Emma Clive nee; Wall, who married in or about 1861, 62 63? They emigrated to the US in 1860s. If you are connected to this please email me. supermomrr@aol.com

Thank you, Robin Ramos

Re: Clive of Birmingham

pete1916 — 2010-07-28 13:36:29Z

Hi Pete
I did do the wife's side family tree Juxon on Genes Reunited but as I am no longer a member I cannot access my own tree so prefer now to keep all hard copies on paper that way you cannot lose it ........I have sent you my e-mail address
and can send you a copy of what I have done and were I fit in
Regards Graham (Pete is my son )

Re: Clive of Birmingham

broker69 — 2010-07-28 04:37:49Z

Hi Pete
I am in process of tracing family history. I was born in Brum but emigrated "down under" 43 years ago. I have got back as far as George Clive 1750 and Lydia Harper 175o but hit a brickwall on the Clive side there.My family tree has been uploaded on Genes Reunited website but I can probably transpose some details for you to give you give you some info.
Cheers for now..
Peter Clive

Clive of Birmingham

pete1916 — 2010-07-22 08:52:17Z

Built up a large data base for Clive of Birmingham from Benjamin Clive 1750 to present day Clives. swap info if you are intrested

Clive, Jones, Scott, Guffy

addiel64 — 2010-02-17 16:22:01Z

My connection to the Clive genealogy is through the genealolgy of Peter Jones and his wife, Rebecca (nee Scott) Jones the daughter of James Scott and sister to Margaret (nee Jones) Guffy.

In "History of Northumberland County, PA, 1911, Heritage Collection by J.L.Floyd (name indexed)originally published by J.L. Floyd & Co in 1911.reproduced by Northumberland County Historical Society in 1995. Pages 314, 315 and 316 have the genealogies of Guffy, Jones, Pollock, etc. etc. Page 315 lists children of Peter and REbecca (nee Scott) Jones as: John, Samuel, Isaac, Mathew, Matilda, and Sarah.

Isaac married Jane Wilson and had childen: Samuel Scott, Joseph B., John J., Reuben J., Andrew, Matilda and Margaret.
Isaac and family were well-known residents of the Strattonvile, Clarion County, PA area.

Their son, Samuel Jones, my great grandfather's father, remained in Jefferson county.I have all of his genealogy.

On page 315 is mentioned that Mattie Jones, the daughter of Peter and Rebecca (nee Scott) Jones married Peter Clive and had 4 children: Philip, Hiram, Henry and Rebecca. I have never been able to find anything more about the Clive family.

Peter Jones and Rebecca Jones (possibly once Jonas or Jonason) settled in later years in Clinton County then went to Jefferson county then finally to Clarion County,
near Strattonville.

I have the complete genealogy of Peter and Rebecca (nee Scott) Jones but the Clive connection remains a mystery. The sister, Eliza (nee Scott), of Rebecca (nee Scott) Jones married James Boon and that family also remains a mystery.

I'm willing to share all my findings re the above-noted surnames.Any and all assistance re the Clive genealogy will be greatly appreciated.

Re: Clive family from Wolverhampton and nearby, Sheffield, Southwark and Massachussetts

Les_Clive — 2010-01-13 14:15:33Z

Greetings from Spain.

I'm sure the families will be connected somehow, but I daren't add a father and mother to Mezey Clive who was born in Wednesfield, Wolverhampton in 1805, until I see some sort of parish record that proves John and Elizabeth were his parents.
Most of Mezeys family were born in or around Wolverhampton and were mostly baptised at St Peters church there. I had an appoinment booked to go to the archives office while I was in the UK to sort this out once and for all if possible, but the English weather beat me this time and I couln't get there.
You don't happen to have any parish records that prove the line do you?
I had read about the Clives who were gunsmiths somewhere, but could not connect them because of this problem with Mezey. (which I've also seen spelt Mazey, Mesey, Masey and others) I personally think it is Mezey, or just possibly Mazey....I guess my next visit at Easter will tell me for sure.

My email address is les@eagelmoor.co.uk and if you drop me a line there with your email address, I'll invite you to see the tree to see what you make of it. Plus, I can tell you about some other Clives who headed off to the States in the late 1800's and early 1900's.
Regards,
Les Clive

Re: Clive family from Wolverhampton and nearby, Sheffield, Southwark and Massachussetts

Les_Clive — 2010-01-10 08:39:05Z

Hello Peter,
Good to hear from a fellow 'Clive'!

I will be writing more later, but at the moment I am about to leave my parents house for the airport to fly back to my home in Spain....
I'm looking forward to seeing if our ancestors paths crossed, and if so where.
Regards from frozen England!
Les Clive

Re: Clive family from Wolverhampton and nearby, Sheffield, Southwark and Massachussetts

broker69 — 2010-01-10 03:25:17Z

Hi Les
I may have a bit of info about our mutual family and confirm that my g/g/g grandfather was Thomas Clive (1773) who I believe was an elder brother of John (1881) They were a very big family and most of the menfolk were active gunsmiths in Birmingham (England) I would assume your branch of the family are in US and this opens up new vistas. Although I was born in Birmingham I migrated to Australia in 1967 and most of my research has been via the internet. I did however begin my search in Birmingham and Sutton Coldfield before my move out here.
Hope I May hear from you sometime
Regards..
Peter Clive

Re: Clive family from Wolverhampton and nearby, Sheffield, Southwark and Massachussetts

Les_Clive — 2009-12-26 01:55:53Z

Ooooops! The family enquiry decided to upload itself early!
Anyhow, if anyone knows of any information which is recorded which would get to the bottom of this either way I'd be obliged....especially as I have a long journey to the archive office planned for next month if nothing comes to light.

Also a woman named Robyn Gowers has submitted information about these people on the LDS site but she lives in Australia.....anyone got an email address or family conection to her?

I have a lot of good stuff to swap....just need to get passed this small wall.

Clive family from Wolverhampton and nearby, Sheffield, Southwark and Massachussetts

Les_Clive — 2009-12-26 01:47:32Z

Hi,

Just ageneral enquiry to start with. I have without doubt confirmed via records that Mezey Clive b1805 who married a Mary Willington, or Wilkinson.
The problem I have is that I've seen no douments to prove that parents I have seen elsewhere are actually the correct ones. They at at present John Clive, b.1781 and Elizabeth, b 1788
Then JOhn has parents George 1750 - 1804 and Lydia 1750 - 1823

Clive family from Wolverhampton and nearby, Sheffield, Southwark and Massachussetts

Les_Clive — 2009-12-26 01:47:31Z

Margaret Florence Clive

dbatchelor199 — 2009-04-28 11:58:59Z

Can anyone give me information on Margaret Clive married to Oscar Felipe Krummel? She was born 24 May 1925 and died 25 Dec 2001 in Houston, TX. Her ancesters came from England. Any info would be helpful. Thanks.

Re: Stephen Clive

carolwhiteside — 2009-04-11 13:10:12Z

I was interested to read this as Stephen's grandfather Benjamin's brother, George, was an ancestor of my husband.

Stephen Clive

white_roses — 2008-08-16 23:24:10Z

Clive, Stephen, German Flats, was born in Birmingham, Eng., June 20, 1840. He came to America in 1863. In 1852 he began to learn barrel making and was a master mechanic in this line when he came to this country. He started to work in this country in Trenton, but went to Yonkers in 1864 to make carbines for the government. He next went to work in New York in sporting goods; then to the Winchester Arms Company, and finally came to the Remington Armory in June, 1867. He contracts for boring and straightening the gun barrels. Mr. Clive is a prominent Mason. In 1858 he married Catharine Jones and they have three children. Mrs. C.A. Hollenbeck, Albert A., and Alice M. Clive, having lost two grown up sons, Gilbert E. in 1890 and Stephen A. in 1891. Mr. Clive's father was Stephen Clive and his grandfather was Benjamin Clive, one of four brothers, leading gun makers of Birmingham, Eng. Mr. Clive was the first person of his name to settle in America.

source:
History of Herkimer County, New York : illustrated with portraits of many of its citizens
edited by George A. Hardin ; assisted by Frank H. Willard
Syracuse, New York : D. Mason, 1893
550 p., 276 p. : ill., maps, ports.

Re: SIR ROBERT CLIVE

cece96 — 2008-07-15 23:10:29Z

Is there any info available about Lord Robert Clive's (of India)descendants and how can i contact them?

Henry Clive, Herkimer Co. , NY

white_roses — 2008-05-31 20:53:07Z

Clive, Henry, German Flats, is a native of England, and traces his ancestry to the celebrated Lord Clive. He was born February 11, 1844, and came to America in 1864. He as been in the Armory for many years and is a Mason, and a member of the United Friends. In 1861 Mr. Clive married Emma Wall and they have 10 children. The Clives were among the first gunmakers of England.

source:
History of Herkimer County, New York : illustrated with portraits of many of its citizens
edited by George A. Hardin ; assisted by Frank H. Willard
Syracuse, New York : D. Mason, 1893
550 p., 276 p. : ill., maps, ports.

WEDDING PHOTO: Clint CLIVE and wife, taken by Cottage Studio, BOONE, IA

kathy3643 — 2006-08-22 02:11:40Z

I bought a wonderful wedding picture identified as Clint CLIVE and his wife. He is wearing a dark suit with a vest and long tie. His wife has a large bow in the back of her upswept hair. Her dress is high necked with long sleeves and appears to be lace.

The photographer was the Cottage Studio in Boone, IA.

I am not related, but I would like to connect this photo with a family member or family researcher. Please contact me directly if you have an interest in this picture.

Kathy Wieland in St. Louis, MO
Kathy@craftsbykathy.com

Re: CLIVE, GEORGE m. BALL, MADELINE (NYS)

jackie1826 — 2005-06-12 18:20:41Z

this may be a bit late, but I have a George Clive born in 1852 to Stephen and Eliza. The whole family were gun makers, which is one way of tracking them down! I have George on the 1861 census, but then lost track of him. If he'd gone to the US that would explain it!

Jackie

elizabeth CLIVE m joseph HARPER 1892, Scotland

PamelaMarshall42 — 2004-12-08 22:21:29Z

I have a Elizabeth CLIVE m 1892 Joseph HARPER b 1860 Wigtown.

Re: CLIVE/HARPER

s_clive1 — 2004-11-05 23:33:52Z

hello. I believe I am related to George Clive and Lydia Harper
They had a number of children, one was
George Clive who married Mary Blake, they had a number of children as well
one was Frederick Clive who married Ann Lloyd 6/3/1826
this is my line through fredericks daughter mary
Doe this look right to you? I have only just linked frederick and ann with this family due to church records (marriage witnesses)
cheers
stefan

George Clive

Richard_Clive — 2004-01-07 11:38:23Z

Sharron, George Clive would have probably been related to my GreatGrandfather Joseph who was born at Aston Birmingham in 1826. I/we (!) have a cousin here in England, who has been drawing up a family tree, who might have information regarding George. If you email me with your address I will see if she can provide you with some info. Unfortunately I shouldn't think she is 'on the web' and therefore everything could be a bit lengthy! As a matter of interest I have a copy of an old printed document entitled "History Of The Ancient Family of Clive". It might interest you to know that the first entry is Leofric Saxon Earl of Mercia and his Lady Godiva 1057! Anyway, good luck with your quest. - Richard

Re: SIR ROBERT CLIVE

2002-11-08 17:25:27Z

Once again, many thanks for that
we'll keep digging!
Chris

Re: SIR ROBERT CLIVE

2002-11-08 16:32:45Z

-- Previous Message --
>That is remarkably knowledgeable,. and could prove very helpful. A couple of us are trying to trace a believed descendant/collateral descendant called Maria Clive born circa 1820, married (John Matthew Levesley of Sheffield) circa 1855.

Hi, Chris.

I did a quick search of the online BP (1999 ed.), but didn't find a Maria Clive listed amongst the family of Sir Robert (he's found in the Earls of Powis entry). That doesn't necessarily mean that Maria isn't a relative of his (although it could mean that), but it could also mean that she is only listed in an earlier edition of BP. If you're unfamiliar with BP, this genealogical work tends to omit women who died unmarried, or died without issue, or who married relatively obscure men. Having said that, I suggest you find older editions of BP (say, of the 1800s or early 1900s) at any good public library (or university library) and see if you can find Maria.

Best of luck to you.

Re: SIR ROBERT CLIVE

2002-11-08 11:33:26Z

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Dear Yvonne:
That is remarkably knowledgeable,. and could prove very helpful.
A couple of us are trying to trace a believed descendant/collateral descendant called Maria Clive born circa 1820, married (John Matthew Levesley of Sheffield) circa 1855.
Many thanks
Chris Meakin (J7CHM@aol.com)