John,

There is one other thing regarding the Vance family.

I am researching two 'groups' of Vance. One group of early PA, the other of early VA.
Up until today I had no reason to believe that these two Vance families were connected, though both have descendants (several generations later) who end up in East TN and intermarry with 'my' Evans clan.

Vance Group #1 is the Patrick Vance family.
This Patrick was the brother of John Vance and both found in early Cumberland>Franklin CO PA. Both believed to be from Ireland. Parents unknown.
This Patrick Vance marr 1st (aft 1764 when Patrick was listed as Freemen) to Sarah Taylor = my interest in him.
Sarah (Taylor) Vance was the sister of 'my' ancestor Andrew Taylor.
Patrick then marr 2nd (bef. 16 Apr 1787) to Elizabeth Houtson. It seems more are researching the children of Patrick & Elizabeth.
Patrick Vance and his 2nd wife Elizabeth Houston removed to Knox CO, TN. He died there bet. Aug 1801 - Apr 1803 (Will written & prob)
'My' Andrew Taylor also removed from Cumberland CO PA to Knox CO, TN.
Both families lived near the Knox/Jefferson CO lines.
As you know, this is where 'our' Evans clan migrated to = Samuel & Ann (Colville) Evans family.

Vance Group #2 is the Colville/Evans/Vance "clan" of early Orange>Frederick COs of Virginia. Members of this group migrated to Washington CO, VA, and many moved on to Knox/Jefferson COs (area) in East TN.
As you also know, 'our' elder Samuel & Ann (Colville) Evans had children and descendants who marr into the VA Vance family, and it seems that there are other connections further back (between all of these families).
It should also be noted here that it is most probable that our elder Samuel Evans (h/o Ann Colville) was the son of William and Dorothy Evans.
Side NOTE: Many list this Dorothy as Moore, but there is no reason to believe that rumor. I know where it started.... no basis to it. The Moore surname does figure into the puzzle further back in early PA!
BUT, back to the Virginia family...
it is also most probable that William & Dorothy Evans of Frederick CO VA had a son Robert. This would be Robert Evans who marr to Mary Hoge. If you take a look at the early Orange>Frederick CO VA records you will see that the Hoge/Hogue surname is of great interest to us in our reserach.
Also adding that we now know that a descendant of 'our' elder Samuel Evans (h/o Ann Colville) is a 37 DNA marker match to a descendant of Robert Evans and Mary Hoge.

I am not a Vance researcher, but suspect that they do hold clues to our Colville and Evans puzzle. They have to! This has been running around in my head for the last year or so.

So today, after your response to my Colville post, I decided to take a look at the Vance DNA Project. It had been awhile since I had. It seems, from what is now posted to their results page, that the Patrick Vance Grp (Grp #1 above) is connected to the Colville/Evans/Vance (Grp #2 above). It seems that there are DNA participants from each of these families participating in their project. (These participants are listed in group #1 on the DNA Vance Results page)

You can imagine my delight when I saw this.
I do not know who these Vance DNA participants are, but would love for them to contact us.
I am also wondering how (exactly) the early Patrick & John Vance of Cumberland CO PA connect to the Samuel Vance & Sarah Colville family of early VA!?