Derham - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: Calling all who visit this board!

gerriejohnson — 2012-04-30 03:15:41Z

Have only just caught up with this thread. Have info on the Isle of Wight Derhams. Please contact me direct on gerriejohnson@hotmail.co.uk.

Re: Derhams of Dorset

emlivermore — 2012-02-13 20:53:00Z

I believe that Arthur James Derham is a descendant of James Derham and Betty Sibley of Christchurch, who were also my ancestors. To confirm, do you know whether the family were in Epsom, Surrey before moving back to Dorset?

Re: Calling all who visit this board!

paulmansfield829 — 2012-02-04 02:13:51Z

Hi Lorraine

There are a lot of Derham's in Skerries still to this day. I haven't done work yet on my Derham ancestors - my g-g-grandmother Derham was born in 1800.
Look at the Dublin boards, be specific & mention the Skerries connection.
Good luck - we'll probably end up talking someday, there's no doubt we're distant cousins - it just seems to be that way with Skerries surnames

Paul

Re: Calling all who visit this board!

lorlooney — 2012-02-03 20:16:24Z

Hi,
My granduncle Thomas' mother was Elizabeth Derham who married a John Gough. i was always told his family were from skerries in Dublin but have very little other information. If these names have any connection to your family tree i would love to hear about them.
Thanks
Lorraine Looney

Re: Derham

paulmansfield829 — 2012-01-25 14:54:09Z

Ellis_Cortney & shaymac1

These are very old posts, so hopefully you're still active. I'm a descendant of the Skerries Grimley family as well as the Skerries Derham family, both by marriage into my direct Mansfield lineage.

If you're still out there, please contact me so we can comare notes.
Thanks !

Pm829 (at) hotmail (dot) com

Re: DERHAMS OF HAMPSHIRE, DORSET AND EAST END OF LONDON

emlivermore — 2011-10-02 10:51:51Z

Hi,
Here is the early part of my tree. Your George Derham is a son of James Derham and Betty Sibley.

1. JAMES2 DERHAM (JOHN1)1 was born abt 1760, and died 25 Feb 1822 in Littledown, Christchurch, Hants. He was buried on 08 Mar 1822 in Christchurch. He married BETTY SIBLEY1 14 Nov 1786 in Holdenhurst Parish, daughter of WALTER SIBLEY and MARY KING. She was born Bef. 11 Dec 1768 in Hampshire1, and died Bef. 10 May 1849 in Christchurch1.

Children of JAMES DERHAM and BETTY SIBLEY are:
i. JAMES3 DERHAM, b. 1791; m. CHARLOTTE EVANS, 29 Jan 1811, Christchurch; b. 1788; d. Bef. 23 Oct 1829, Christchurch, Hants..
2. ii. ELIZABETH DERHAM, b. 1794, Christchurch.
3. iii. JOHN DERHAM, b. Bef. 16 Apr 1797.
4. iv. WALTER DERHAM, b. Bef. 01 Aug 1802, Christchurch; d. Bet. Jan - Mar 1883, Christchurch.
5. v. GEORGE DERHAM, b. 1803, Christchurch, Hants.
6. vi. ANN SIBLEY DERHAM, b. Bef. 02 Nov 1806.

Generation No. 2

2. ELIZABETH3 DERHAM (JAMES2, JOHN1) was born 1794 in Christchurch. She married WILLIAM PRESTON 08 Jun 1820 in Christchurch. He was born 1791 in Christchurch.

Children of ELIZABETH DERHAM and WILLIAM PRESTON are:
i. ANN DERHAM4 PRESTON, b. 02 May 1823.

More About ANN DERHAM PRESTON:
Baptism: 17 Aug 1823, Christchurch

ii. FANNY TREASURE PRESTON, b. 02 Dec 1828, Christchurch.

More About FANNY TREASURE PRESTON:
Baptism: 16 Aug 1829, Christchurch.

3. JOHN3 DERHAM (JAMES2, JOHN1)1 was born Bef. 16 Apr 17971. He married ELIZA REBECCA HIBBERD1 19 Jan 1826 in Christchurch, Hants1. She was born 18051, and died 1877 in Christchurch (Q2 2b 374)1.

More About JOHN DERHAM:
Christening: 16 Apr 17971

Children of JOHN DERHAM and ELIZA HIBBERD are:
i. ELIZABETH4 DERHAM1.
ii. MARY DERHAM1.
7. iii. FREDERICK HIBBERD DERHAM, b. 05 Jul 1826, Christchurch.
8. iv. JOHN SIBLEY DERHAM, b. Bef. 22 Dec 1828, Christchurch, Hants; d. 03 Jan 1892, Stanpit Christchurch, Hants.
9. v. THOMAS HIBBERD DERHAM, b. 1830, Christchurch; d. 1880.
vi. GEORGE DERHAM1, b. 1834, Christchurch1.

4. WALTER3 DERHAM (JAMES2, JOHN1)1 was born Bef. 01 Aug 1802 in Christchurch1, and died Bet. Jan - Mar 1883 in Christchurch. He married JANE GULLIVER1 05 May 1822 in Milford, Hampshire. She was born 1787 in Dorset.

Children of WALTER DERHAM and JANE GULLIVER are:
i. FRANCIS4 DERHAM1.
ii. JOHN DERHAM1.
10. iii. JAMES DERHAM, b. 25 Jul 1823, Christchurch; d. 26 May 1874, Christchurch.
11. iv. LUCY JANE DERHAM, b. 01 Jul 1825.
v. GEORGE DERHAM1, b. 19 Nov 18271.
vi. LAVINIA JANE DERHAM, b. Bef. 13 Dec 1829, Hinton Admiral.
vii. WALTER LEMMEL DERHAM, b. Bef. 13 Mar 1831, Hinton Admiral.

5. GEORGE3 DERHAM (JAMES2, JOHN1)1 was born 1803 in Christchurch, Hants. He married SARAH FOOTNER 09 Feb 1826 in Christchurch, Hants1. She was born 1807 in Christchurch, Hants.

More About GEORGE DERHAM:
Occupation: 1881, Master mariner (merchant man)1

Children of GEORGE DERHAM and SARAH FOOTNER are:
i. THEREZA4 DERHAM1, b. 02 Apr 18251.
ii. ELIZABETH DERHAM1, b. 06 Jan 18281.
iii. ELLEN DERHAM1, b. 15 Mar 18311.
iv. LOUISA DERHAM1, b. 22 Oct 18331.
12. v. GEORGE DERHAM, b. 28 Jun 1835, Christchurch; d. 08 Jan 1893.
13. vi. WILLIAM DERHAM, b. 22 Dec 1837, Christchurch.
14. vii. JAMES HENRY FOOTNER DERHAM, b. Jul 1840, Christchurch; d. 11 Jan 1903, Christchurch.
15. viii. EDWIN DERHAM, b. 1844.
ix. PETER DERHAM1, b. 18461.
x. SARAH MARY DERHAM1, b. Bef. 14 Jan 18491.

6. ANN SIBLEY3 DERHAM (JAMES2, JOHN1)1 was born Bef. 02 Nov 18061. She married THOMAS SELLENCE 10 Mar 1841 in Christchurch.

Child of ANN DERHAM and THOMAS SELLENCE is:
i. THOMAS4 SELLENCE.

Re: Calling all who visit this board!

emlivermore — 2011-10-02 10:34:58Z

Hi,
If your Leonard was born in 1909 and married to Doris Harvey, then you're my 5th cousin.

Re: Calling all who visit this board!

emlivermore — 2011-10-02 10:23:49Z

Hi,
I am descended from Derhams of Christchurch. I have quite a solid family tree back to James Derham and Betty Sibley, and a few tentative links, giving me possibly a further generation back. I have a Leonard Derham born 1909, son of John Derham and Mildred Gale.John was born 1879, the son of James Henry Footner Derham and Priscilla Whitcher. James HF Derham was the grandson of James Derham and Betty Sibley. This makes Leonard my 3rd cousin twice removerd

Re: Objet : Derham (married a Daignan) - an Irish connection

malvaryj — 2011-09-08 14:02:27Z

Hi - I have never been able to find anything else about Ann Daignan. She was born about 1845 and married about 1864. She was my gr-grandmother. One time, in France to visit the Loire Valley, we stopped for a picnic lunch by a river and the sign for the little town said "St. Aignan", so I said - perhaps that is where Ann's family came from - d'Aignan.

On her children's birth certificates her name is variously spelled Daignan, Degnan, Dignan.

Objet : Derham (married a Daignan) - an Irish connection

n_daignan — 2011-09-06 20:03:04Z

I've just read your e-mail so I thought you might be interested in learning that there are a few 'Daignan' in the South of France. I guess we'd have to go back a great many years to find a link between our family branches but you never know!

Re: Derhams from Hemyock, Devon and Trull, Taunton, Somerset

bobderham — 2011-01-26 16:20:28Z

Hello, I am in Hampshire but 3 generations back all lived in North Curry.Still interested?

Re: John Derham-Lancaster, Eng.

Robgal74 — 2010-10-11 12:52:34Z

The children of John Derham (1833-1903) and Ann Sherry are:
Ellen born abt. 1854 d. 1857
George born 1856 d.1891
Ann born abt. 1857
Mary born abt. 1860
Ellen born abt. 1863
Alice born abt. 1866

I descend through George. He was known as Red as that was the color of his hair. He married Elizabeth Dewhurst of Little Bolton on March 20, 1880 at St. Andrews Church in Blackburn, Lancashire. He died of pneumonia in 1891 and Elizabeth emigrated to NY with her daughter Annie Park, Annie's husband Richard, sons William and George. She had another daughter named Nelly that died young and a son John who was known as Jack who died when he was 19 in a railroad accident. The first two children of George and Eliz., Annie and Nelly, were born in Livesey. The rest were all born in Blackburn.

If we are related, it would have to be through John's siblings as he only had my ggrandfather and the rest were all daughters. John's parents were John Derham born 1788 in Lancashire England and Ellen Wilson born 1793 in Lancashire England. Both died within days of each other in 1849 from the Asiatic Cholera epidemic. They were marred Sept. 28, 1816 at St. Mary's in Lancaster. Their children were:
Alice in 1816
William in 1823 in Chatburn
Mary in 1825 Chatburn
George in 1828 Chatburn
John in 1830 Chatburn died in 1831
John in 1833 Lancaster
Richard in 1834
Ellen in 1836

All their children were baptised in Downham Parish. On John and Ellen's marriage certificate their residences were down as Parish of Halton for John and Parish of Wyersdale for Ellen.

As you can see, my line of Derhams seemed to use the same first names for children from generation to generation which makes following them difficult. Luckily, I have a cousin that lives around London and has down a ton of research as he can get to places I cannot.

Hope some of this helps. Let me know if you are related or not. You can contact me at rmgalage@msn.com.

Re: John Derham-Lancaster, Eng.

DUZZER66 — 2010-10-10 16:26:32Z

Hi

Im just starting to search the Derham side of my family tree,,, we live in the Lancaster area...wonder if we have a family connection

thank you
David

Re: Derhams from Hemyock, Devon and Trull, Taunton, Somerset

tamida53 — 2010-08-10 13:54:11Z

Me again!

Just read my long reply and noted that I missed out a further most common misspelling or variation of our name that one ought to search on, to go with Dirham, Dirrham, Derham & Durham. This is Denham. My family is also married into this version in North Curry. Its a Derham/Denham line that is still living in the area today where Derham was the female and Denham the male.
DD

Re: Derhams from Hemyock, Devon and Trull, Taunton, Somerset

tamida53 — 2010-08-10 13:43:01Z

Hi,
Dirham in the North Curry Somerset clanarose in 1539 as the first "controlled" spelling of the Derham name as it is today. I have found evidence in church land rental documents dated 1527 & 1528 for North Curry that there were no Dirhams or Derhams renting land in those times despite our family mostly having been farmers of one sort or another. Instead, I found spellings like Doram, Dorom, Duram etc. I believe these were all the same wider family but spellings were created by the writer as they were spoken in those days. Few people had reading or writing skills in the 16th century.

However, when Henry VIII ordered that BMD should be recorded from 1539 onwards, the North Curry Church records show from the very beginning that this family was going to be written "Dirham" !! A clerk no doubt decided how the name would be written from that date onwards and so it was until 1600 when it changed, a little on and off, to Derham but from the early 1600's (I have the date somewhere) it was Derham from then to the present day. HOWEVER! There are Dirhams still, in this region at the same time. It seems that only the North Curry Dirhams all became Derhams. The Dirham spelling can be found in the records of other Parish Churches in the surrounding villages and indeed, in the early 1800's, my Gt. Grandfather's sister Ann Derham married a Dirham! The pair are buried in NC Churchyard.

So a Dirham today, with an ancient Somerset legacy is highly likely to show a common blood line in DNA tests to a Derham of Somerset.

Durham is also there, but has always been in the North Curry area as a transient error which seems to correct itself later on. However, one of my cousins from the brother of my G.G.G. grandfather is buried in the NC Churchyard as Durham and in the census data during his lifetime, he can be found as both! In South Wales UK, we have a Durham line in Pontypridd and they & I have cousins further up the Rhonda valley a few miles away, who are Derhams!

So you have to come to terms with this surname in that it can turn up as Dirham, Dirrham, Derham or Durham - in the main - but there are dozens of spurious others (possibly a 100 or more) all of which have most probably been spawned from one of the above. So always search at least on the main three above.

Note that there was another Dirham line in Somerset at Chewton Mendip in the early 1500's. Phillip (two "L's") was there breeding in 1554 under the name Phillipe Derhem (may have been Derheme, do not have notes here at present - this is new research in the Parish records only last week!) but by his 2nd child he was Dirham and by about 1594, with his two grandchildren, it became Derham. This change is almost the same time it changed in North Curry - ? a co-incidence or was he of the same faily as the North Curry Derhams, just 25 miles away as the crow flies. I do not know and am still searching for a clue.

However, some years on, a descendant of Phillip, Ann Derham, at 18 years of age, baptised a child Jonas in 1648 under her own name, suggesting an illegitimate child (Wives' names were not recorded in those times and I am reading the orginal parchment Parish record, so no mistake about this). Jonas married his first cousin, another Ann and among his descendants is one of the two large Derham groups of Melbourne Victoria.

The other large Melbourne Derham group descends from my family line, the North Curry one. These two lines compared DNA last winter and found that the Chewton Mendip Derham line has North African (Tunisian) or Kosovan male origins which may well point to the paternal ancestry of Jonas over 300 years ago.

All that glisters !!

So the Chewton Mendip Derhams in Victoria are only Derhams from an ancestor's maternal line albeit their earlier ancestors back to Phillip may well still be related to the North Curry Derham line and I'm still searching while am pretty certain that I shall never find the truth way back there in the time of Edward VI and Queens Mary Tudor and Elizabeth. Records are so few and far between.

By the way, I also have Henry Derham of my line who emigrated to Michigan in 1849/50 and am also well into the establishment or their line in the Shiawassse area with some branches carrying live information. Also the above's brother William who emigrated to New York but had only one female child. I have traced her marriage and a couple of generations down but rather lost interest at this point as the Derhams are a really large enough job to keep up with these days!

Your Dirham in Devon and Trull (especially Trull) may well be relations of the North Curry Derhams. Goodness only knows how we are to prove the Devon link. We need to search all of the Parish records for every village in the county and of Devon to stand a chance of matching stuff up. However, Trull Dirhams and Derhams are very likely to be the same family and though I have many records for that area, which is just to the north of Taunton and not far from North Petherton (already mentioned)I have not yet been able to find a link to them from the North Curry clan. I think that once again it is a matter of searching the older Parish records before times of Censuses and Free BMD etc. and for this it takes a great many hours of reading and deciphering the ancient handwriting. One day perhaps. The Trull & N.Petherton families are near the top of my list as they offer the greatest possibilities of expanding my FT!

Most of what we want has never been transcribed and is very old. Some Parish records never survived to reach the County records offices and some are very illegible for the 16th century period (as I am finding for Chewton). I did some research a couple of years back to show how the spread of the name in all its versions, travelled out radially, from Taunton & North Curry (5m away) over the years. I used Phillimores Somerset Marriages for this work. This showed that the main spread was in the South East direction followed by the South and then the North. Over the Somerset border, Dorset is South East, Devon is South and the ones who settled in North Petherton, only a few miles to the north, spawned the Durhams in S. Wales and the Durham spelling in N.Petherton too!

I would suggest that the greater part of your USA Derhams are probably descended from Irish Derhams who emigrated in the mid 1800's and they are probably from a large Derham family which once inhabited the Lancashire area of England. My family has never yet traced any of its members to Ireland (the Skerries area, Dublin, was the main one I believe).

However I wish you and all those researching Derham (etc.!) in the UK and the USA in particular, the best of luck and keep posting.

David Derham

Re: Derhams from Hemyock, Devon and Trull, Taunton, Somerset

ltljeans — 2010-07-15 04:29:07Z

Hi
I am running a family tree for my sister.. We have the same mother but her father is a Dirham.. We dont know a lot past him and some of his siblings..I read your reply and seen you had a lot of info on the England side of the name But was not sure if you had any on the USA side.. Her fathers name was Robert Leon born in Oklahoma died in Loyal Oklahoma in 1995 He had a brother named Walter.. His Fathers name was Karl Monroe and his mother was Francis (Hair)..I doubt you can help but I am stuck without any family info.. Without being a true part of the family I dont even know the stories to know who is who Anyway thanks to anyone with some info..

Re: Derham connection

JaneFrajbis — 2010-04-13 22:10:25Z

Hiya, thanks for this - very interesting! Great for the update. Many thanks.

Jane

Re: Derham connection

CFormaggia — 2010-04-13 14:32:06Z

I saw the string regarding the Gaymer-Derhams. Your Grandfather who adopted the double-barrel (a great tribute to a war friend) is as you know the son of William Derham. William was the brother of my Great Grandmother Rhoda (1884 - 1969). Their parents were Frederick (a Master Baker) and Elizabeth Derham nee Hawes. Their Grandparents were Frederick Augustus Henry (a Master Tailor)and Mary Derham nee Barnes. FAHD was born 22 Feb 1815 Devizes, Wiltshire son of David and Comfort Derham nee Slade.

Re: William Derham (1657-1735)

GD_Family — 2010-04-08 11:10:12Z

Hi there, not sure if this will help but it may be related, My great grandfather was named William Derham and he was pastor of The Mount Zion Baptist Church Leading Street Meopham Kent, in late up until around 1930. Born around 1880 maybe so if im lucky, might actually be a grandson of your famous william, maybe not. Just seems a tad coincedental that he was pastor of a church too. Could be a wild goose chase but im all for coincidences being that when you get past the 18th century, it will all be a bit vague, especially if your williams parents were who i think they may have been.
Regards Adr(ian)

Re: Derhams from Hemyock, Devon and Trull, Taunton, Somerset

tamida53 — 2010-02-23 02:29:16Z

Hi, Paul,
Yes I have him and her in my database plus a whole host of his family. He was born abt.1751 (so was ch. well after birth). She was b.abt 1759 and they married 11.10.1783 in Trull. He died 08.08.1831 age 80 and was buried the same day in Trull. She died in July 1836 and was buried on the 25.07.1836 age 77.

This family includes the last poster's grandmother Elsie May who married George William Douglas 22.01.1908 in Trull She was ch. on the 9th or 19th April 1881 in Trull. She was still living in 1891 (census)

I have about three generations of Samuel and Mary. NB. that some of them come up as Dirham in certain records, which is probably an indication of their North Curry roots where Dirhams resided from 1539 (my family line which has been Derham since 1600).

Samuel does not have a son Samuel but he does have a grandson. However, he was born abot,1826/7 and so is well out of range of your 1802. Samuel's tree children are Charles, John (Dirham) & Thomas. I don't think you can have the right Samuel for parent of your Samuel ch. in 1802.

I have a database of over 3000 Derham names (plus sound alike and look alike spellings)from Somerset. I took an extract of all the Samuels for you and there are 15 records of which just 6 are pure Derham spelling. One of them is your b.1802 Samuel. He died in Nov.1867 age 65 and was buried 16.11.1867 in Trull. I have an Elizabeth Derham (married name) alongside him but she is not necessarily his wife. She came from Willand Devon. In 1881c she was Lvg. Oakfield, Trull, Somerset, England with Samuel & Sarah Derham & family (he's the one b. 1826/7 They had 10 children one of which was Elsie May.

This may help you a bit. If you have any Derham links down there in Devon which come back to North Curry or North Petherton, I would be more than interested to hear about them. Thank you.
David

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Re: Calling all who visit this board!

shirle1096 — 2010-02-12 03:54:28Z

I don't think we are in the same family. My greatgreatgreat grandfather came from Ireland. He was naturalized in New York in 1840 had children there & then came to California.

Re: William Derham (1657-1735)

sylviagilson16 — 2010-02-09 15:31:29Z

I see that you have info on the Derham family in East Anglia.
My 3X Gt. grandfather James,silk weaver, wife Mary nee Watkins and children all moved from Devizes to Norfolk 1823/1825, where my 2X Gt. Grandfather William was born. After the death of his 1st wife 1865, William moved his entire family to Rochdale then Oldham. I have been unable to find birth of James. Census entries show Devizes as birthplace but baptism records for his children show him as 'James of Norwich' Have searched PRs for Norwich. Is this your family?

Re: Calling all who visit this board!

triciaallsopp — 2010-02-08 18:15:57Z

I've only recently started researching my family history - my mother's name was derham and her ancestors come from East Cowes Isle of Wight. My greatgrandfather remarried after his first wife died and I can find no trace of the children from the first marriage in the 1901 census, apart from my grandfather and my great-uncle Percy and the children of the second marriage. Is there any chance someone can help with info of derhams on the Isle of Wight?

Re: Calling all who visit this board!

shirle1096 — 2010-01-06 03:23:23Z

Hi Jeff, I reviewed your family tree & nothing is familar. I don't have info but I am working on it. It would be under Derham & Green family trees. I do have info that Wm 1847 was a salesman. Also, the names of my grandfa's siblings are: William 1871 Ernest J 1874 Ida 1876 Howard 1879 (my grandfa) George nickname Grover & Russell. I remember hearing of Ida & I think I met her as a child & hearing of Grover. I know one of the family was in SF Fire Dept & l was a member of SF Dolphin Club. There is a photo of him still hanging. I'll get that info. All siblings were born in SF. I also understand that there was a "falling out between my grandfa Howard & one of the bros. I think it could possibly be Wm. Howard died in about 1934 of cancer so my mother never even met him. He was a supervisory foreman for Pacific Telephone Co. My grandmo lived until 1972 but we never thought to ask about Grandpa history.
It is difficult to get SF vital statistics before 1906 because almost everything was lost in the 1906 earthquake. I know my grandparents stayed in a tent in Golden Gate Park at that time. Anyway hope this is helpful
Cousin, Shirley

Re: Calling all who visit this board!

jeffbielar — 2010-01-05 23:19:39Z

Shirley
I just remembered something. If you have access to or can get a copy of James(1810)death record and his wife Mary that might shed some light on where he was born.depending on where they died. In California it does list where the person was born if known. Did you ever know a Jack or Rose Derham . they were my grandparents.THey lived in Menlo Park then moved to Redwood City. Jack was a lawyer for what was then United California Bank until they retired him Anyway that was just a thought
Jeff

Re: Calling all who visit this board!

jeffbielar — 2010-01-05 22:15:30Z

Shirley yes this is exciting as i said i have been looking for information on William's family since my grandfather was diagnosed with dementia in the early 90's. I have nothing yet on your side of the family but i will start looking. i currently live in the UK so i will look from here as well i will try and look for James Derham birth in Ireland. Good hunting. I have lots of my part of the Derham family listed on my family tree. that is the Bielar Family Tree if you want to view that.
Jeff Bielar
jeffbielar@yahoo.com

Re: Calling all who visit this board!

shirle1096 — 2010-01-05 20:32:42Z

This is so exciting! I just love it! I would love to share info with you. My great grandfa James (1846 NY) married Mary Jane Salmon DOB 1855 Ca. James had 6 children. I don't know what you want to know about any of it but I am interested in anything you have. My main thing is I want to find out what part of Ireland James (1810) came from. Do you have any info on other siblings of Wm(1847 NY)?
Thank you,
Shirley Derham Green

Re: Calling all who visit this board!

jeffbielar — 2010-01-05 07:10:59Z

great information. i have been looking for this information for over 10 years so what is a couple of years for such good information. do you have more for this part of your tree. i have info on our part of the tree if you want it. perhaps we can share.

Re: Calling all who visit this board!

shirle1096 — 2010-01-04 00:52:42Z

Hi, I am answering this 2yrs after your posting BUT I have info for you! I am looking at a chart right now that states your relative Wm was born in 1847 in NY.He married Margaret & had a son named Leroy born in Oct of 1880 in Calif. William was the brother of my great grandfather James who was born in New York in 1846. Their parents were James born in 1810 in Ireland & Mary 1820 Ireland. James was a baker (1810) In the 1880 census James lived at 926 Pacific St. SF but were here way before. James shows up in a 1850 census in Sacramento.
William had 3 sisters Mary E. 1843 NY, Martha 1844 NY,& Emma 1851 NY, He had l other brother John J 1848 NY. There is one fact I have been trying to get & that is WHERE IN IRE did James & Mary come from. We believe it could be the Dublin area (Skerries) but can't prove it. I would love to know. I also live in Calif in fact near SF & none of our family has moved more than 50 miles from here.

Re: Calling all who visit this board!

camorrissey — 2009-11-01 19:04:08Z

My husband's maternal grandmother was Ethel GRace Derham. Her father was a William Derham - he came from a family of surgeons. They all seemed to end up in Lancashire in the Preston area. Are they linked to you at all?
Thank

Re: Derhams in SOMERSET, US and AUSTRALIA

sylviagilson16 — 2009-08-16 21:08:23Z

My 3X Gt Grandfather James Derham & family moved to Norfolk in 1826 from Devizes Wilts then in 1865 to Lancs.

Re: Derhams from Hemyock, Devon and Trull, Taunton, Somerset

bminnie8 — 2009-06-05 10:30:03Z

Hello---I am looking for help with Elizabeth (married name)
Derham who was left widowed about 1840 if the 1851 census is anything to go by with the last daughter being born 1839 and no husband in 1841 census.

1851 census gives elizabeth with 4 daughters, caroline 22--amelia 18 jane 16 emma 12
another daughter Elizabeth was married before this.

and elizabeth being born about 1799. must have married young
All say Taunton

Re: Derhams from Hemyock, Devon and Trull, Taunton, Somerset

tamida53 — 2009-01-17 15:12:23Z

Hello Jill,
I get around to these message boards about once in a lifetime or two! I have just posted some hopefully useful stuff to Paul's earlier message but I expect both he and you will have moved on in terms of email addresses in the last couple of years (tho I haven't, so there's hope!). I would be glad to strike up some chat with you about your knowledge of the Trull Derhams who are undoubtedly cousins of mine in some way or other, via the Derhams of North Curry (see my reply to Paul).

Just to enable some more history to be available to others on this board, can I say this for the record. The North Curry Derham fammily is by far the largest centre of this family name (evolving from Dirrham in abt. 1600/1630)in all of Somerset and perhaps all of England. Our tree goes back to about 1675 now and is pretty well filled out and still growing. The nearest group to us outside Somerset is in Christchurch and I have contact with them. Being so close to us, I would expect them also to be related but finding the link is another issue altogether!

After that, there is/was a centre around the county of Lancashire and another well known one around the Skerries, Dublin (I have just one contact there)from where many emigrated to the USA and Australia (I had contact in the US but she changed her Email address about two years ago and did not update me - if you read this Cathy, please get in touch!) My Derham line has a huge group in Melbourne which is one of three there. I have just completed drawing its full tree from the 1857 pioneer and a bit more back into the North Curry core (over 70 pages!). The next largest is from Chewton Mendip Somerset and dates back to 1551 (I have contact with them and have a tree dating from its 1856 pioneer as well). I believe the 1551 group is also from North Curry but the trail is as cold as ice in the 15th & 16th centuries and only DNA will prove a link now (we are planning on it!). The third group is the Irish family and though we know one or two, there is no work going on between us at present.

I can always look up stuff for anyone if they think they may be related to any of these Derham Groups.
Regards,
David

Re: Derhams from Hemyock, Devon and Trull, Taunton, Somerset

tamida53 — 2009-01-17 14:38:59Z

Hi, If you are still on this address, please contact me re your Trull Derhams who, I am pretty certain are the same Derham family as those in North Curry (my roots) and those in North Petherton. I have collected well over 3000 records of Derhams (inc spelling variations) in Somerset, going back to when records began in 1539, most of whom are from these areas and have been scratching my head for years for a way to hitch yours and mine together. I have found the odd link between Trull & N.Petherton and even Bridgwater and the odd link between N.Petherton & North Curry Derhams/Durhams. I have no doubt whatever, that they are all one family and there are loads of others whose surname spellings have wandered away from the original (which was Dirrham in 1548 - see the surnames list below for a few of these) and amount to about 17 variations in the central Somerset area around Taunton and a great many more over a 20 mile radius of that centre. This surname is a minefield! Do not discount any of them when searching in Somerset and probably elsewhere too, though on this point I have no experience outside of Somerset & South Wales (where we are all Derham or Durham)....
Samuel b.abt.1751 m. Mary Scadding 11.10.1783. I have probable burial on 08.08.1831 age 80 at Trull. For Mary (Derham), I have probable records b.abt.1759 and death July Qtr. 1836 age 77 with burial 25.07.1836 at Trull.
Three Children: Charles Dirham(!) John Dirham (!) & Thomas Derham - I said the surname was a minefield! In my family we have up to four different spellings in only three generations of one family line!

I hope this is useful. Please do not reply to my Email address before the end of February - it's not working!

Re: Derham connection

GD_Family — 2008-11-05 21:40:19Z

Hi there Jane.. yes i am fully aware of that story as my father (Brian) made it very clear that it was the reason behind the double barrel name.. however i am after prior to that as i hit a dead end at wilfred since he had more than one wife through the years.. my contact details are barraconda@hotmail.com and i am in tamworth for the moment.

Regards Adrian

Re: Derham connection

JaneFrajbis — 2008-10-24 22:37:20Z

Hi again. My granddad, Len (Gaymer)-Derham lived in Kent in the UK. He had three sons, David, Brian and Geoff. Is Brian your father? I knew he lived in Australia and had a family out there? We do not see him much, but I am aware he moved back to UK, and lives in Kent area (ish).
Do keep in touch, be great to catch up. Are you livin in UK or Australia??? My father, David G-D, he died in 1999. I have a brother, David Gaymer-Derham, who lives in Brighton.
Regards

Jane

Re: Derham connection

JaneFrajbis — 2008-10-24 22:31:59Z

Dear Adrian, I was born Jane Gaymer-Derham - born in Portsmouth, UK, in 1969. I know a little bit of history, in that my dad's father had surname of 'Derham', and he and his best mate, .... Gaymer (surname) were in the war, and they vowed that whoever died in the war would take up the other one's name. Gaymer died, so my Grandad took up his name, hence 'Gaymer-Derham'.
Be great to hear from you. I live in Plymouth, UK now. Where are you???
Regards, Jane

Re: Calling all who visit this board!

tamida53 — 2008-08-02 14:07:05Z

Hi. Claire, I'm David Derham of Somerset,

If you read another reply I made earlier today in this message board, you will find out more about me and my Derham research etc., Also note the update about Linda there.

For your query, I can offer the knowledge that I am in touch with a Derham member of your Christchurch group who has given me a copy of his F.T. from 1761-1848. It is enough for me to try to find links to our group and maybe one day we shall do that but so far no progress has been made at all. You are not in that F.T. of course but I would be pleased to learn more about your group if we can get together at some point to exchange knowledge.

However, I looked for a Len Derham and up until 1848, there are none though I suspect this tree is too far back for your Len, so if you can give me your Email address, I will pass it on to my contact in your Group and I am sure he will be glad to be in contact with you to advance research into your mutual Family Tree.

I will also send him a copy of this posting and perhaps he may come into this message board and contact you direct from here.

As far as I know your Christchurch Derhams are more or less all one group and they spread up through Hampshire and into Wiltshire where there is another notable congregation around Trowbridge who are not related to mine (so far!!) There is an enquiry on this board for one such Derham I think.

Other notable historical enclaves of Derhams are to be found in Berkshire (which I think will have a lot of London links - mine has a few too). I used to have a Berkshire Derham contact but I think I may have lost him now. He thought his line was linked to the Trwobridge Derhams and was working on that when we last talked.

So, if there IS a link between Christchurch Derhams and Berkshire Derhams via Trowbridge Derhams, you may have to look further afield from just Hampshire for the origin of Len.

There were a lot of Lancashire Derhams and a great many Irish Derhams the latter of which who were, historically, centred around the Skerries area of Dublin. (They still have a building which was once called the Derhams Pub! It is now a Social Services office or some sort I believe).

A great many of the Irish Derhams and probably the Lancashire ones too, emigrated to the USA (both Durhams & Derhams and those who kept changing the spelling from one to the other and back again just to make our lives more difficult!) and some went to Australia. There are some Irish Derhams known to my Aussie Derham cousins today, living in Melbourne but most of the Derhams there are either of my F.T. or of another very large group which also stems from Somerset (only 20 miles or less from my family centre near Taunton). This group goes back to 1551 in Chewton Mendip, Somerset but I can't find a link to them - its so frustrating!

If only DNA testing were not so expensive, we would jump at the chance to compare our respective genes. At present we both want to do it but I don't think anyone relishes the idea of picking up the tab of about £500 for the minimum four tests required!

Incidentally, both of these two latter Aussie Groups, which are quite numerous these days, stem from one single Derham Pioneer each, both called Thomas Derham and who arrived there within 7 months of each other, one sailed from Bristol in 1856 and the other from Liverpool in 1857.

I went to OZ last summer to attend the 150 anniversary celebration of my group's Thomas Derham who arrived there on 12th August 1857 and to spend a month of wonderful times with a family I never knew I had until about three years ago! Thomas was the Great Grandson of Henry, the brother of my G.G.G.G. Grandfather William Derham, born in 1742. Such are the fruits of tirelss research!

Re: Calling all who visit this board!

tamida53 — 2008-08-02 12:02:09Z

Hello Emma.
I drifted into this region of Ancestry this morning - way off my reason for being here by now! I found your post from some time ago and can offer my knowledge of the Derham's of Somerset England and specifically, the Derhams of North Curry, just 5 miles east of Taunton. Your connection via a marriage in Taunton St. James District is also common for many of my family, though most of them get married at North Curry - a large village district - whose Church is known as "The Cathedral of the Moor".

I now have full details (inc. grave photos) of ALL of the Derhams and those married "out" of the family who are buried here (over 70 of them) and have F.T. data going back to roughly 1700. It is quite comprehensive from about 1730 onwards but there is no Isabella Derham within it.

However, we are aware that one or more branches of our family lived in a place called Trull (today it is a suburb of Taunton)and in a very nearby small town called North Petherton. I am fascinated by the records I have amassed over the past few years about these groups as I cannot find where they fit into our tree (though am certain they do!). Last year,I found descendants of the North Petherton group living in South Wales under the name Durham who vaguely knew about their North Petherton hertiage but not that they had changed their name!

All of the Derhams of this Somerset area come from a family originally known as Dirrham back in the mid 1500's when records began. The name evolved into Derham from 1600 over about 30 years when it emerged as Derham continously from 1630 and has been thus ever since. There are, as in all names some odd exceptions and we have a line of Durhams in South Wales from one of four brothers (nephews of my G.G.G. Grandfather)who all went there from North Curry to live as miners or farmers. Two of the other three brothers have remained as Derham as far as I can see from census records (and one recent personal contact) and the other one I have still to definitively track down but think he called himself Derham too.

So, to your Derham link. I think that it is very possible that Isabella could be from the Trull group or the North Petherton one BUT! I have a database of some 2000 Somerset Derhams, collected from many sources including Ancestry, who are not (yet!) linked to my North Curry group and there is not a single Isabella in it! She will not be from North Curry as I have a complete record of all BMD for this village since 1539 & all the census records since 1841 to 1901.

So I do not hold out much chance of an early discovery for you as to who Isabella Derham was but keep searching! I'm still finding Derhams to add to my "Unlinked" file and she will now going be added there!

I will try to remember to pop back here once in a while to monitor developments but for all who observe the "Linda Derham" (my niece) who started this thread off in 2001, she is no longer active in this field and the data she refers to, which she and her Dad (my brother) have amassed, is largely now in my possession as well and I have now been very active in Derham research since about 2002. There is hardly a day goes by that I'm not doing one thing or another for the F.T.!! Good hunting Derhams!

Re: Calling all who visit this board!

jeffbielar — 2007-12-30 23:24:57Z

Hello Linda and all others visiting this board. Does anyone have information on Derhams living in San Francisco in the 1880's or in New York about 1848. Mother's great grandfather was William Derham and his wife was Margaret Derham ms Kennedy.

Re: Calling all who visit this board!

jeffbielar — 2007-12-30 23:09:49Z

Hello Linda my mother's maiden surname is Derham. She lives in California and her part of the Derham family go back in California to the 1880 census where her great grandfather William Derham was living with his wife Margaret and their son listed as Leroy,Her grandfather. I havent found anything else about William yet. His father was English and mother possibly Irish according to the 1880 census but know nothing else at this time. Any suggestions gladly appreciated .

Re: Calling all who visit this board!

emma_inafrica — 2007-11-02 21:15:24Z

Hi Linda
I came across this message board for the first time today, and I have a "Derham" query! My Great-great Grandfather David Parker, married a Isabella Derham in 1860,in Taunton St James Church in Somerset, Isabella's father was John Derham, and I think she may have had a Sister called Emma Derham, as Emma was a witness of the marriage certificate...
Do you know anything else about Isabella and her father John? I would love to know.
Many thanks
Emma Parker

Re: DERHAMS OF HAMPSHIRE, DORSET AND EAST END OF LONDON

gerriejohnson — 2007-07-14 23:39:23Z

Hi Klair

Thanks for getting in touch. I visited the Christchurch area last year and tried to get in touch with local Derhams, but so far no-one has responded. I have a lot of Derham ancestors in the area, but so far Len Derham and some other branches of the Derham family haven't connected with mine. I'm sure there's just a missing link somewhere.

We'd love to share info with you and see if we can find that link. Probably easier to do so direct. My email address is: gerriejohnson@netvigator.com.

Look forward to hearing from you.

Gerrie

Re: Calling all who visit this board!

beckley161 — 2007-07-14 21:23:33Z

Hi Linda. I am Claire Derham from Christchurch. Granddaughter of Len Derham who was a fisherman at Mudeford. Is this the district your Derham clan are from??

Re: DERHAMS OF HAMPSHIRE, DORSET AND EAST END OF LONDON

beckley161 — 2007-07-14 21:16:28Z

Hi, Just looking up some history on my family...I am Klair nee Derham. Grand daughter of Len Derham from Mudeford who was a fisherman there. I still live locally. Also have contact with a few other local Derhams in my family. If you need to know anything I may be able to fill you in as had to listen to all about the past from my grandfather and father(John Derham!!)

Re: Calling all who visit this board!

judithkennerdale — 2006-10-26 19:36:51Z

Hi

I have a brick wall Derham:-
John who was living in Trowbridge Wilts in 1801, buried several children all unbaptised and un named. Had a daughter Mary who married William Knowles Trowbridge 1823. Censuses put her birth c1793 Trowbridge.
She is my gg grandmother, so would be very grateful if you can helpout.
many thanks
Judith

Derham, Benyon, Davies.

jillaplin1 — 2006-05-25 20:14:55Z

I have connections with a John Louis Benyon who was born in Chester in 1879. His parents were John L. Benyon and Alice and they were living with his brother Frank and sister Cecilia at Belgrave Place, Chester at the time of the 1881 UK Census.
John married Florence Mary Eliza Derham, the sister of my Grandmother, Elsie May Douglas, nee Derham, on 25th October, 1909 at the Parish Church, Christ Church, Reading.
Another Derham sister Eva, Frances and her husband Herbert Allen Davies married in Reading in 1896 and by all accounts the two families were very close.
I would love to know something about their children and where they all are now.
Can anyone help?

Re: Derham connection

jillaplin1 — 2006-05-25 12:51:02Z

Hi

I have an Elizabeth GAYNOR, born 16th April 1801 and died 9th April 1883 who married a Samuel Derham in Taunton, Somerset in my Family Tree. Perhaps this was a misspelling of your GAYMER.

Regards,

Jill

Re: Derhams from Hemyock, Devon and Trull, Taunton, Somerset

jillaplin1 — 2006-05-24 21:18:04Z

Hi Paul

I have only just discovered this message board from where I found your e-mail about the above family called Derham. As it is such a long time since you wrote it I expect you have got all the information you needed. However, I think I am related to your Samuel and Mary Derham via my Grandmother, Elsie May Douglas, nee Derham who was born in Trull.

I shall be delighted to hear from you.

Yours sincerely,

Jill.

Re: DERHAMS OF HAMPSHIRE, DORSET AND EAST END OF LONDON

hopeleigh90 — 2006-04-07 07:17:41Z

Hello, Yes seems we have the same Derhams in our Family tree !!, My Great grandmother was Fanny Derham, born 1873. I too have got as far back as George and Sarah. Had any more luck??
Leigh Lodge