Actually Walter, my grandfather passed on in 1996, not 1997 and Ida (my grandmother) passed on 12-11-95 not in 1996. If you need more info let me know. My mom is Martha Lorraine Doerge (Reinerd). We have a huge genealogical tree at home with lots of names, birth dates etc. My Uncle Donnie was working on this until his death until Jan 2 1994.