Steve, thank-you for your information any help is appreciated i am trying to trace any family at any time. My nan came from London but i do not know where she then lived in Essex where i live now, perhaps this could be a relation somewhere down the line, all i know that there was about six or seven of them but one of the brothers moved to America my mum can't really tell me much,(this is why i am finding it so hard)but any info u give me helps alot thanks.