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Re: Eagar family tree - Richard b 1754

coopgen1 — 2013-06-13 07:21:51Z

Jessie was Jemima's daughter. Although I'm not 100% convinced that the John Spiers who was killed in Fiji in 1871 was Jemima's husband the circumstantial evidence is strong. There is a Scottish newspaper report of the killing and the story that John Spiers' wife escaped an attack on their home with 3 children.
There is a shipping record of Mrs Spiers and 3 children travelling from Fiji to Sydney in 1873 and the following enrolments in Sydney in 1876:
SPIERS Catherine Maud 9 yrs 04/12/1876 NRS 12266 [1]; COD 506, Page 141 Protestant Orphan School (Female)
SPIERS Jessie 5 yrs 04/12/1876 NRS 12266 [1]; COD 506, Page 141 Protestant Orphan School (Female)
SPIERS Richard 11 yrs 04/12/1876 NRS - [4/10786]; Reel 3702, Page 125 Protestant Orphan School (Male)
Catherine, or Kathleen, married Albert Thompson in 1886 and died in 1899.
Richard married Molly Clarke in 1893 and died in 1954.
Jessie married Thomas Wright in 1895 and died in 1961.

Jemima (AKA Mina and Amenia) tried to divorce her second husband in 1900. In the evidence presented there is referrence to a son, Willie, aged about 24.
So the search goes on!

Re: Eagar family tree - Richard b 1754

Carolyneliza — 2013-06-01 15:19:53Z

Hi:

I have further info on Eleanor Emblem Eagar Bott. You can contact me at carolyn.emblem@gmail.com if you wish.

Carolyn

eagar roots

raymond_eagar — 2013-05-24 08:30:48Z

Ross Eagar landed at Port Elizebeth in 1820 from Ireland.
His wifes surname was Ford.They had five children.
My great grandfather( Frank Eagar ) was the second eldest and married a girl, Briel.I cant remember how many children, but my grandfather( Francis John Eagar) mentions a elder brother,ln his book he wrote in 1964.He did have a sister aunt Florrie who I knew.
Francis John Eagar( my grandfather ) was born on the 22 december at the district Hoopstad in the freestate and christiand on the 11 February 1883 at Thaba Nchu by pastor W M Cripps.
He had two sons, Raymond Eagar (my father)and Christofel Eagar and a daughter aunt Anna , the youngest.
Francis John Eagar died in Rhodesia at the age of 94 from flue.
For more information contact me at raymond.eagar@gmail.com

Re: Eagar family tree - Richard b 1754

jegar_1 — 2013-05-10 08:17:23Z

She certainly appears as Daisy in various newspaper notices. Jessie didn't die until 1970, so its a possibility. So even if his mother tried to divorce her father, they seem to have been close.

Re: Eagar family tree - Richard b 1754

coopgen1 — 2013-05-09 14:11:32Z

I'd overlooked Robert's children. Certainly a possibility. I have a note that Robert's daughter Jessie was called Daisy when she was young, presumably because her mother was Jessie

Re: Eagar family tree - Richard b 1754

jegar_1 — 2013-05-09 13:12:22Z

Sounds like the son of Jemima. Robert Wharfe Smart had a dau Jessie by his previous wife. She would have only been about 5 when he married Jemima.I wonder if thats the Jessie referred to in the death notice.

Re: Eagar family tree - Richard b 1754

coopgen1 — 2013-05-08 23:38:19Z

It may be more complicated! There was a death in 1954, in NSW, of a Richard John Spiers, aged 89. His name and age match that of Jemima's son. The death notice refers to a sister Jessie.

Re: Eagar family tree - Richard b 1754

jegar_1 — 2013-05-08 14:33:47Z

Thank you for clarifying that. They had complicated lives, didn't they. I can't understand why they bothered to marry, especially when they had already three children and they must have separated and gone their own way very shortly after Jemima was born.

Re: Eagar family tree - Richard b 1754

coopgen1 — 2013-05-08 13:13:13Z

William appears to have been born about 1842. He died in Granville, NSW in 1926. His death index gives father Richard, mother Mary Ann. My guess is that he was brought up by Mary Ann, but as he was was born before Richard and Eleanor were married, and the fact that he was shown as her son on her death registration, suggests they may not have registered the birth.
Eleanor may not have told John Bott about the first two.
Her children with John Bott were born c1847, 1840 and 1855.
Jemina (aka Mina)married John Spiers 30 Jul 1864 and had a son, Richard. After John died in 1871 she married Robert Warfe Smart in Parramatta in July 1897 She tried to divorce him in 1900 and died in July 1926.

Re: Eagar family tree - Richard b 1754

jegar_1 — 2013-05-08 11:17:03Z

My apologies. Jemina Eagar maarried a John Spiers in NZ in 1864. He was killed by headhunters in 1871. They had a son William.

Re: Eagar family tree - Richard b 1754

jegar_1 — 2013-05-08 11:10:11Z

I have three children born to Richard & Eleanor. Henry Francis and Geoffrey both in 1837, both died in NZ in 1911 and 1929 resp. And also a dau Jemima, of whom I have no further info. Do you know where the William comes in?

I also have three children from the marriage to John Bott. JOhn, JOseph & Charles.

Re: Eagar family tree - Richard b 1754

coopgen1 — 2013-05-08 03:32:16Z

Carolyn Emblem from Canada has tracked down what became of Eleanor Emblem, the wife of Richard Edward Eagar. She died as Ellen Bott, the 'wife' of John Bott, in Kilmore, Victoria, 16 March 1856. Her death registration apparently identifies a daughter, Jemima, and son, William, born during the time she was with Richard.

Re: John Eagar's Personal History

2eagars — 2013-02-28 16:42:22Z

I am definitely interested in John Eagar's history to have for my family records. How soon will it be available?

Lorene Eagar

Re: Eagars of Ballymalis area

svilayat — 2013-01-26 09:21:55Z

Edmond Eagar and Mary Sullivan were also the parents of my great grandfather, Rowland Eagar, of Killarney.

Rowland had a brother named John, and a sister named Mary.
As far as I know, there were also three other sisters born to the family --Bridget, who died around the age of 22; also Elizabeth and Anne, but I am not sure if they survived.

That's all I know about that generation.

William Eagar, land agent / steward, Ireland 1800s

kobrien1701 — 2012-11-19 11:01:50Z

wondering would anyone have any information on a william eagar who was a land agent or steward in ireland in the 1800s, i dont have a birth date for him, on his daughter sarahs wedding certificate in 1872 he is signed as a land agent, similarly on his daughter susans birth record,
on the birth record he is recorded as living in meath,
daughter sarah on the cenus in 1901 states she was born in meath in 1858, his wifes name is caterine..
but i cant locate birth marriage or death records for him, or records of any children other than susan,
there is another william eager in the 1911 census listed as a land agent in co down, so there is a possible family link there i would imagine.. also one of his ( 1911 in down ) daughters is called susan..

Re: Frances Margaret Holden & Eagar's of Ballymalis and Killarney

imelda5243 — 2012-10-20 14:48:39Z

Is this the same family of Margaret Eager of Limerick? I think it is. She was born 1864

Re: Frances Margaret Holden & Eagar's of Ballymalis and Killarney

imelda5243 — 2012-10-20 14:44:13Z

Frances margaret THomasina Rosanna born 1864

Re: John Eagar's Personal History

nancy_andrus1 — 2012-06-14 06:53:38Z

I am a direct descendant and would love a copy of John Eagar's Personal History. Please send it to nancy.andrus@yahoo.com, thank you!

Re: Eagar family tree - Richard b 1754

eunicedumas — 2012-06-01 09:59:37Z

DEar Jacqueline, I am descended from
Edward my great grand father is

Edward's son Frank
Alexander Mathew the second family can you tell me please where they lived in (Ireland? Eunice

Re: Eagar family tree - Richard b 1754

eunicedumas — 2012-06-01 09:59:36Z

DEar Jacqueline, I am descended from
Edward my great grand father is

Edward's son Frank
Alexander Mathew the second family can you tell me please where they lived in (Ireland? Eunice

Re: Eagar family tree - Richard b 1754

eunicedumas — 2012-06-01 09:59:20Z

DEar Jacqueline, I am descended from
Edward my great grand father is

Edward's son Frank
Alexander Mathew the second family can you tell me please where they lived in (Ireland? Eunice

Re: Eagar family tree - Richard b 1754

eunicedumas — 2012-06-01 09:48:27Z

Who is Kevin's wife as I would love a copy Eunice

Re: Eagar family tree - Richard b 1754

Beneagarmurray — 2012-05-31 09:34:17Z

Hi if any one needs a copy we can contact Kevin's wife Glenda she got them reprinted from memory they are around $30.

Thanks Ben

Re: Eagar family tree - Richard b 1754

JoanDean60 — 2012-05-31 09:27:58Z

Hi, Have you read the book Colonial Litigant Extraordinaire
The Edward Eagar Story. Layman Attorney, Merchant and lobbyist. By Kevin Lewis Smith. Kevin Lewis Smith was Edward Eagar's GGG Grandson.It's printed in Australia by Fast Books, a division of Wild and Woolley Ptl Ytd, Glebe NSW. I'm sure that the book will answer most of your Queries.
Hope you can find a copy.

Regards Joan Dean

Re: Eagar family tree - Richard b 1754

coopgen1 — 2012-05-31 08:17:39Z

Jacqueline Egar may be able to help with that question. She has posted messages here and is a regular on the Genforum at
http://genforum.genealogy.com/eager/

Re: Eagar family tree - Richard b 1754

eunicedumas — 2012-05-31 08:08:29Z

Are there Eager's in Ireland left? and do you know if we can see their property? Heading that way soon.
Eunice

Re: Eagar family tree - Richard b 1754

eunicedumas — 2012-05-31 08:07:04Z

That is right I think.
Eunice

Re: Eagar family tree - Richard b 1754

eunicedumas — 2012-05-31 06:47:04Z

Apologies this is the same family my great great grandfather Edward Eager produced by grandfather Frank Alexander Mathew Eager from a relationship in England after he left Australia. Can I suggest that you have a look at the Ennever website. Best wishes Eunice

Re: Eagar family tree - Richard b 1754

eunicedumas — 2012-05-31 06:47:03Z

Edward Eagar

JoanDean60 — 2012-05-28 23:08:01Z

Hi, Have you read the book
"COLONIAL LITIGANT EXTRAORDINAIRE" The Edward Eagar Story, Layman, Attorney,Merchant and Lobbyist.1787-1866
by Kevin Lewis Smith.
It is in the National Library of Australia Cataloguing-in-Publication data. Smith Kevin Lewis 1936.
ISBN O 64627728 6.
Printed in Aust by Fast Books a division of Wild and Wooley Pty Ltd, Glebe NSW.

Great read. And you get a copy of a photograph of Edward Eagar in 1863.
Edward Eagar was Kevin Smith's Great-g-g-grandfather.
He is also my husbands Great-g-g-grandfather.
Happy hunting,
Joan

Re: Eagar family tree - Richard b 1754

coopgen1 — 2012-05-28 11:28:33Z

Francis Alexander Matthew Eagar born London 6 November 1844?
If this is the right Frank, he was the last child of Edward's second relationship (not sure they married) with Ellen Gorman Mooney.

Re: Eagar family tree - Richard b 1754

eunicedumas — 2012-05-28 11:08:01Z

thanks russell i am the great grandaughter of frank alexander mathew eager who was son from the second relationship. he ended up chief excise officer and produced one child my grandmother. he did not acknowledge her by giving her his name. can you tell me anthing please?

Re: Eagar family tree - Richard b 1754

eunicedumas — 2012-05-28 11:01:07Z

i do not think it is the right family as my great granfather is frank alexander m athew edward's son from his second marriage or relationship.

Re: Eagar family tree - Richard b 1754

coopgen1 — 2012-05-17 08:48:13Z

I'm descended from Edward Eagar, brother of Richard (b. 1754)so we are distantly related.

Re: Eagar family tree - Richard b 1754

PatriciaTickle — 2012-05-14 04:23:46Z

Hello,
I am also decended from Jemima Eagar although from her son Henry to William Charles Wentworth.
Yes / Richard did marry twice Mary first then Eleanor.
I am trying to find out more info on Jemima as she seems to have gone off the radar after she broke up with Wentworth and it looks like she died alone without any family around.
What do you know?

Re: Eagar roots

1_greg_roberts35 — 2012-05-11 15:36:16Z

You will remember to give me your mother's, husband's and children's information. Do you have any information on your fathers other wife?

Regards
Greg

Re: Eagar roots

1_greg_roberts35 — 2012-05-11 15:29:06Z

Thank you for the explanaton.

Sorry, no birth certificate. My mother got the info from my grandmother a long time ago when she first started to write down the family information for me and my 3 sisters in ±1990. She said that Raymond Gregory Eager left Northern Ireland because he became a protestant and came to South Africa. He became member of the NG Church and was a shopkeeper in Benoni where he died 2 Feb 1914 in Victoria Avenue.

His death notice on his estate documents in the "Transvaalse Argief Bewaarplek" (TAB) under number O/63116.

From which marriage of Charles Ross Eager with Magdalena Elizabeth Schoombie or Elizabeth Hestor Ford was Raymond Gregory Eagar and Charles Aidan James Eagar born. We there any other children? Info on their parents?

I had the full names of the Charles Ross Eager you are talking about as Charles Aiden James Ross Ford Eager. The surnames ROSS and FORD now comes into play with your information.

I think that the information on RG Eager's children are more accuratly written down as my parents still knew some of them.

Re: Eagar roots

jegar_1 — 2012-05-11 14:23:33Z

'Co Kerry Ireland', means County Kerry Ireland. There are thirty two counties in Ireland, 26 in the Republin of Ireland and 6 counties in, what we call Northern Ireland.
Dublin is in the Republic of Ireland and not Northern Ireland.
Can you tell me how you know that Raymond Gregory was born in Dublin? Do you have a birth certificate?
The names that I have for the two wives of Charles Ross Eagar are Magdalena Elizabeth Schoombie and Elizabeth Hestor Ford.
As I said already, I'm not sure how accurate my information is on this particular family. You might be able to set me straight.

Re: Eagar roots

1_greg_roberts35 — 2012-05-11 12:20:50Z

Please explain "Co Kerry Ireland" to me?
Any more information on CR Eager's wifes?

Raymond Gregory Eagar
Born 24 Nov 1844 in Dublin, Northern Ireland.
Died 14 Feb 1914 in Benoni, South Africa.
Married Dorothea Catharina Marx.
Had 6 children of which the second daughter was my great grandmother Ellon Elizabeth Eager, named after her Eager grandmother.

Re: Eagar roots

Michelle_Espag — 2012-05-10 08:36:42Z

Yes, thank you. It confirms the facts I have been kindly given.

Re: Eagar roots

jegar_1 — 2012-05-10 08:10:36Z

Just saw this message and the replies to same. There was a Charles Eagar b Co Kerry Ireland married to Elizabeth Ross who had a son Charles Ross Eaagar b circa 1827 Co Kerry or Sth Africa. He married twice, one of his children was a Raymond Gregory Eagar and another was a Charles Aidan James Eagar, both born in Cape of Good Hope. Charles Ross Eagar died in Sth Africa in 1878. Charles A J died in Transvaal in 1915 and Raymond Gregory Eagar died around 1914 in Sth Africa. I'm not sure of some of the details, but its mostly correct. Is this of any help.

Re: Eagar roots

Michelle_Espag — 2012-05-09 07:01:04Z

Hi Raimund

Unfortunately I do not know much about my father's history as he was a very private man and did not reveal much. All I know is that he was born in the Congo on 12 August 1925, left the congo as a young boy to come to SA and joined the SA army at the age of 16 to fight in World War II. He once mentioned that his family was originally from Ireland, but he never had any contact with family, not since I was around. I found out after his death that he had been previously married, but have no other details.

My father was very special to me and I have been trying for some time now to learn more about our roots. I would really appreciate any information you have. My email address is Michelle.Espag@za.gt.com.

Many thanks and kind regards

Re: Eagar roots

1_greg_roberts — 2012-05-09 06:25:17Z

Michelle,

Sorry, this is the first reply on my message. I see now that I made a stupid mistake in the surname!!!!

One thing is for sure that I got the Eager family names with the exception that my grandfather, Raymond Gregory Roberts, changed my father's first name to the German version as he got so annoyed when the people called him Ray, that he changed the name to Raimund. I am therefor Raimund Gregory Roberts.

I do have however info with some 4 generations of our same ancesters but only in text format. Please send fax or e-mail info to forward this to you?

Can you please help me with your information to add to my family tree.

Re: Earar roots

Michelle_Espag — 2012-05-08 20:49:10Z

I too am looking for my Eagar roots. My Father, Roy Raymond Theodore Gregory Eagar was born in Zaire in 1925 and moved to South Africa as a young boy. This is all the information I have. Do you have any more information since your query?

Re: John Eagar's Personal History

eveholden — 2012-03-30 04:09:54Z

Hi John,

I would be interested in receiving John Eagar's history that he wrote on the ship Brooklyn and his experiences in California's gold fields.

Thank you, if it's possible for you to provide this information to me.

Re: Eagar family geneology

orichard96 — 2012-03-06 02:58:55Z

Hi there,

I assume that you have any informaiton Imight provide but I can tell you a bit. In fact, if you can fill in any holes, I'd love to know.

Ferris lost the castle due to support for the Rebellion in 1641. He and his family were transported and the castle went to someone. I don't know who it went to immediately but I think it may have been a Lancelot Sandes. He may simply have gotten lands in the area, however, and not the castle. Sandes had fought with Cromwell (not in the earlier rebellion and I do not believe he was an "adventurer") and was almost certainly granted lands in 1666 for the reason of his service. I'm not sure that the lands Sandes received lands were from Turlough McOwen Ferris but I believe they were. The Sandes consolidated their holding a few years later out of Kerry. Who the lands transferred to could be significant but I do not know who that would be.

In one source I read, Francis Brewster received the castle in 1656, again, after the Ferris family was "transported". In any case, at some poing the castle was leased to Robert Eagar who came into the county from County Laois (Queen's County). By most sources, Brewster had the castle by 1677.

What I am most certain of is that, aroudnt he turn of the century, the castle and neighboring grounds were transferred in ownership to Eagar by Brewster who, I believe, was in Dublin at the time.

I'd love to know if this reflects what you know about that castle.

Good luck with your work,

Richard Beckwith

Re: John Eagar's Personal History

cleb76 — 2012-02-27 04:32:49Z

John Eagar's personal history on the Ship Brooklyn can be found at: https://sites.google.com/site/lynnandlarnaeagar/family-profi...

It's wonderful! Please let me know if you have any questions.

Sincerely, Carrie B.
cleb76@gmail.com

Re: John Eagar's Personal History

jojopuffball — 2011-11-03 23:38:38Z

I am also a descendant of John Eagar, he was my third great grandfather. I would love a copy of the book. Is it still available? Would be glad to pay. Thx, Sally. rdavis78@frontiernet.net

Re: Eagar family tree - Richard b 1754

eunicedumas — 2011-10-15 12:25:48Z

Hi, my great grandfather was frank alexander mathew eager, edward's son from his first marriage. His daughter was my grandmother I would love to know anything you can tell me.

Re: Eagar family geneology - Is this correspondence still active?

vschwab187 — 2011-08-02 11:22:16Z

I am a descendant of John Eagar and Sariah Anna Johnson and would like to connect with others who are researching this family. I know quite a bit about John and Sariah, including John's life in Utah, and Sariah's ancestors.
I would like to find out more about John's Irish roots, if anyone has already found clues.
Is anyone coordinating this board?
Sincerely, Vicki Schwab