Ell - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: ELL - Michael (born: 1871 in Odessa, Russia) lived in S.Dakota

PSE78 — 2009-10-15 08:56:50Z

Hi Bonnie,
I think Kasper Ell was the half-brother of my great grandfather Walter Ell (otherwise known as Johannes Valentine Ell). I think both Kasper and Walter's father was Benedict Ell. I don't have the birth date or place for Benedict Ell though - do you? I'd love to get the information about Michael Ell. Please email me directly at
pamandsirius@comcast.net
Thanks, Pam Ell

Re: ELL - Michael (born: 1871 in Odessa, Russia) lived in S.Dakota

elldecor — 2009-10-05 15:42:54Z

Hello,
I read your comment - my father travelled a lot in the past 20 years - and wrote a book documenting our immigration from Odessa Russia, to North Dakota,
up to Grassy Lakes, Alberta - where my family finally found peace in farming, and business. Much of my great grandfather's stories (Rochus Ell - son of

You are welcome to contact me directly - my name is Bonnie Ell,
613, 219.7018
I live in Ottawa, Canada - now - moved from Alberta in 2006.
I have the book - and he lists many many Ells
Warmly,
Bonnie

Re: ells London U.K

Patrick_Ell — 2009-06-10 18:48:36Z

Not sure if this actually helps but my ggg grandfather was Thomas Ell born Shoreditch 1818, he married Louisa Robon also born 1818 Shoreditch. His son was Alfred James Ell b St Lukes who maried Emily Bugden. They had a son Vivian Leslie. The Ell's anecdotally (according to my grandfather) were descended from the French aristocracy!! There is no proof of that at all! Robon however does suggest a French connection. Robon does appear as a middle name of another Thomas Ell - born 1891 d 1891 (son of Edward Adolphus and Hannah Sophia Parkes)

Re: ELL - Peter (born: 1868 in Odessa, Russia)

eenjoyyy — 2009-03-16 14:34:33Z

Hello Bob,

Victor passed away last year, I went to his wake with my father's half sister(Deanna Boulton - daughter of Stella and Peter Steneko). There I met his son, Robert, he lives in Pasadena. Despite best efforts and many voice mails we have not had any substantial conversations. He seems very busy in his Hollywood life.

I have met with Risa and looked over photos. She is amazing, strong and in her 90s.

Jason got married a few years ago to Shelly his college sweetheart.

I married Hannah Melina Sanabria 7 years ago and now are in the process of adopting 2 little girls 4 & 5....Adilis and Ariana.

Jason seems to think that Joe (Edward's bio father) lived in Los Angeles and maybe buried in East Los Angeles in a Jewish cemetery.

Would love to explore our Ell connections further.

Be Well,

Eric

Re: ELL - Peter (born: 1868 in Odessa, Russia)

bobell53 — 2009-03-15 13:39:15Z

Hello Eric.

Over the years I have been in communication with your brother Jason (lost contact with him) and a Victor Ell (Lost contact with him as well). Not sure if you are connected to Victor or not.

Your brother Jason and I communicated in March 2001 and since then I lost contact with him. He seemed to have quite a bit of information on the family and was at some time hoping to write it down. You may wish to check with him on some of that information.

As for a Victor Ell, he contacted me in 1996 and he indicated that his mother's name was Raisa Yourga and his father was Jack Ell. He said that Jack was born abt 1912 in Eupatoria, Crimea and indicated that some of his family was Orthodox and some were Catholic.

On another trail, many years ago, I received a message from an ELL who indicated that his family had come out of Russia and that his branch were Jewish.

best bet is to contact me directly at bobell@shaw.ca and perhaps we can put our heads together to link you up.

Your branch and the Jewish connection are the two branches that I am still working on.

The Ells that show up in the Russian and Ukrainian records that I have been privy to are Catholic who had emigrated to Russia between 1804 and 1816 and settled near Odessa. Some of my branch moved south to the Crimea and perhaps there maybe a link between the Jack Ell and my branch.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Re: ELL - Peter (born: 1868 in Odessa, Russia)

eenjoyyy — 2009-03-15 06:57:42Z

Hello I am Eric Edward Ell son of Edward Azar Ell and brother of Jason John Ell.

It has been many years since I have looked into our name....but I now have two adopted daughters so have a renewed interest.

My Father came here from Harbin, China post WWII as a prisoner exchange, his mother was Stella and I believe Father was Joe. There is much debate with my Aunt. She states no Jewish heritage but my brother thinks otherwise.

Any information or connection?

Re: ELL - Leo J. Ell - son of Phillip Ell & Mary Ann Lingor

PamelaSueEll — 2009-02-24 01:12:02Z

Thanks. I have been in contact with Mary's daughter Marie and her two daughters Lynette and Maureen. They have given me all their family genealogy.

Re: ELL - Leo J. Ell - son of Phillip Ell & Mary Ann Lingor

woodwacker1 — 2009-02-23 22:11:46Z

I knew Mary (Ell).....................I was married to Lynnette Marie Roudine. The Roudines are in the Los Alamitos Area of California.

Paul Babcock

Re: UK Ells

PatrickEll — 2009-01-03 21:26:12Z

I have recently taken on all the work my father Kenneth Ell has done in relation to the ELL family. His records are extensive and I am trying to find my way round them all! In relation to Eugene Ell b. 10.8.1857 my father's records have several notes - army records, will etc and a photo in regimental dress etc. I gather there was some confusion with the name and registration of birth - happy to share whatever records I now hold. You can email me at Patrickell1@aol.com
Patrick Ell

Re: ELL - Raephael (son of Johannes Ell & unknown Brownaugle)

bobell53 — 2008-11-22 20:22:11Z

I am interested in your research on this line, especially in relation to the first marriage of Johannes Walter Ell. Please contact me bobell@shaw.ca

Re: ELL - Carolina Ell and spouse, Bosch

bobell53 — 2008-11-22 20:16:43Z

Unfortunately Carolina died on May 22 1988 at Bismark, North Dakota. I do have a copy of her Obituary which I could send to you if you would like. I do have other information on this family line. Am interested in your research as well.

Bob Ell
bobell@shaw.ca

Re: ELL's - migrated to Argentina

bobell53 — 2008-11-22 20:11:56Z

Please contact me direct., I have some information and photographs that will interest you. I am very interested in your research.

Bob Ell
bobell@shaw.ca

Re: ELL, Leroy

bobell53 — 2008-11-22 20:10:25Z

The information on this family is taken from the obiiuary of Rochus Paul Elll who died on October 25, 2006.

Re: ELL - Peter (born: 1868 in Odessa, Russia)

bobell53 — 2008-11-22 20:07:21Z

I have some information on this family, but most of it is pre-1920.

Re: ELL, Walter (aka: Johannes) - married to a Francis Nagel

bobell53 — 2008-11-22 20:04:22Z

Johannes Walter Ell and Frances Braunagel were German but both were born in the Odessa region of old South Russia. Probably both were from the village of Baden, just NW of the city of Odessa. Both families show up in the 1852 Census for the village of Baden.

Re: ELL - Michael (born: 1871 in Odessa, Russia) lived in S.Dakota

bobell53 — 2008-11-22 18:21:40Z

Hi, I'm responding to your note regarding Michael Ell born February 17, 1871 in Odessa, Kherson Russia, probably in the village of Baden in the Kutschurgan colonies.

Michael was born to Kasper Ell and Barbara Reiss. Kasper was the son of Benedikt Ell and Appolonia Van.

Michael's wife's name was Katharina Goetz, born March 20, 1876 in Baden, Odessa, Kherson, South Russia.

As for the children of Johannes Walter Ell and Francis Braunagel you are right, Johannes, Peter and Frank came to America at different times. like you I haven't found Midas as yet. Midas is a legitimate German name., so I haven't ruled it out as of yet.

Finding official records on Johannes Walter Ell and his wife Francis have been elusive. I have not been able to find reference to them in records in Odessa as yet. One theory that I have is that Johannes could be a brother to Kasper Ell mentioned in the first paragraph. Kasper's brother was Valentine. Walter is an americanizaton of Valentine. Often in German if the first name was Johannes, the name was left silent and the individual went by their second name i.e. Johannes 'Valentine' Anyway just a theory.

I have a large database of Ell ancestors. If you have any other questions or if you run into information that you may find that I may be interested in please e-mail me at bobell@shaw.ca

Re: UK Ells

sue271051 — 2008-06-15 00:50:52Z

Hi there,

I have only just picked up your message regarding UK Ells - I don't use the same email address anymore and only check my old one once in a while. Regretfully I haven't been keeping up with my family history, which is very naughty of me, but I am very interested in your reply regarding Ethel Ell - a lot of my Ells that I discovered did come from London so it's quite possible we have a connection. I'll dig out my research and have a look over the next few days, and let you know what I find. I do have a substantial amount of information which was partly supplied by a couple of other family members who had done quite a lot of research.
My current email address is now: sue271051@blueyonder.co.uk and I use this one all the time. Can you let me have your email address (and also your name!) so that I can reply to you more fully? I'll be in touch again soon, I promise!
Best wishes,
Sue Hadley

ells London U.K

ssray163 — 2008-06-03 20:44:37Z

Does anyone have any information on Ell family from east London? Walthamstow, Leyonstone. First names, Ethel, Gladys, Leonard, Vivian, Roebon. May have originated from France. Mid 1800's

Re: ELL - Clara Margaret Ell & spouse Engelbert P. Werlinger

2005-07-24 19:14:19Z

Hi Pam,

I saw your message on Ancestry.com. My husband, Todd, is the son of Veronica (Werlinger) and Wayne Calvert. We have five children of our own: Adam Wayne (9/17/85) Andrew Todd (8/28/88) Amber Marie (11/7/90) Aaron Michael (10/2/2002) and Anthony James (01/17/01).
Todd and I were married on June 1, 1985. My maiden name was Cunningham. I am very interested in researching the geneolgy as well. Are you having any luck?

Re: ELL - Leo J. Ell - son of Phillip Ell & Mary Ann Lingor

2005-06-28 12:38:43Z

Thanks. Can you tell me what Mary Ann Lingor's father's name is? I believe her mother's maiden name is Schaffer, but I don't know her mother's first name...
Also, Phillip Ell and Mary Ann Lingor were married in 1926 in Devils Lake, North Dakota. They were divorced in 1953. I only know of two children that they had. (1) Leo J. Ell - born: July 14, 1927 in Devils Lake, ND (2) Mary Ell - born: May 15, 1934 in Gary, Indiana. She married Roy Roudine... Phillip Ell remarried again, but I don't know the name of his second spouse...

Re: ELL - Leo J. Ell - son of Phillip Ell & Mary Ann Lingor

2005-06-27 19:19:17Z

I do not know if they had children, but I have Mary Ann Lingor's genealogy back to about 1625 in the region southeast of Stuttgart, Wuerttemberg (Germany). Her family name was originally spelled Lingohr.

Re: ELL - Michael (born: 1871 in Odessa, Russia) lived in S.Dakota

2004-12-17 23:52:24Z

My great grandfather Paul Ell lived in Odessa and came to America in 1918 via Canada. I wonder if they are related? He settled in North Dakotah as well and died in the early 80's but not sure of the exact date.

Frank Ell --Obituary

marysday — 2008-02-09 14:31:49Z

The Banner Press
Marble Hill, MO
June 29, 1972

FRANK ELL

Frank A. Ell was born near St. Charles on March 10, 1887 and died June 21 at Carrabelle, Fla. after a lengthy illness. He was one of thirteen children born to Wendell and Agatha Ell. Mr. Ell was a member of Forst Fire Prevention, International Assoc. of machinist for 62 years, a retired erection engineer and former chairman of Carrabelle Hospital Board. Surviving are his wife, the former, Alpha Englehart, five sisters, and three brothers. The brothers are George Schindler of Orange, Calif., Leo and Theodore Ell of St. Charles and the sisters are Mrs. Emma Hercules of Milwaukee, Wis., Louis Rich of St. Louis, Ida Gutjohr of New Athens, Ill., Rose Heckman of St. Charles and Agnes Luesse of St. Louis. He was preceded in death by a sister, Mrs. Clara Jacobs and two brothers, Otto and Albert Ell. Chapel services were held at Baker Funeral Home June 25. Pallbearers were his brothers-in-law, Linder, Fred, John and Neal Englehart, Mendell Puyear and Joe Kelemen. Burial was in Baker Cemetery at Lutesville.

Re: Ell Ancestory

h_satterfield — 2005-03-06 10:49:37Z

Hello
Do you have any information on Mathias ELL? His daughter Ludgard ELL married Johann GLASSER 25 Jan 1739/40 in Fautenbach, Baden, Germany

Re: ELL - Clara Margaret Ell & spouse Engelbert P. Werlinger

LarryGell52 — 2008-03-13 22:24:22Z

Hi: I'm the first cousin too Todd's mother, Larry Ell from Bismarck,ND. Just run across this message. My email is ellfamily@bis.midco.net My Dad John Ell and his brother Uncle Alfed Ell are all that remain of the Aunt Clara Werlinger(Ell) Siblings. Talk to me: Larry Ell

Robert Ell, b. abt. 1840 in VA.

BasketLady420 — 2006-05-30 10:33:40Z

Robert Ell, age 49 and born in VA., is listed as a Miner in the 1889 Territorial Census for Kittitas County, Washington.

I am not related to this family, just passing on this information, which comes from a webpage called "African American Coal Miner Database." The link for the site is listed below.
Joyce

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blackcoalminers/min...

Re: ELL - Michael (born: 1871 in Odessa, Russia) lived in S.Dakota

first1_1 — 2008-05-09 18:09:03Z

I'm a decendant of Raphael Ell who came from Odessa to Sakatchewan, Canada through the Dakota's (1904 - 1907). My Grandfather was Henrich Ell.

Please let me know if you would like to share some family histories.

Re: ELL - Leo J. Ell - son of Phillip Ell & Mary Ann Lingor

PSE78 — 2008-02-20 22:36:12Z

In my "Ell" genealogy book I have a Mary Ann Lingor (born: Apr. 4, 1908 in Devils Lake, ND) as being the first wife of Phillip Joseph Ell (born: Jun. 14, 1905 in Krema, Russia). They were divorced in 1953 and Phillip Ell married twice more. His second wife was Betty (Davies) Woodard {she died in 1974}, and his third wife was Inez {maiden name unknown to me}...
Mary Ann Lingor and her husband Phillip Joseph Ell had two childre. 1. Leo Jerome Ell (born: July 14, 1927 in Devils Lake, ND) 2. Marie Lavern Ell (born: May 15, 1934 in Gary, Indiana). Leo Ell had three wives. His first was Josie Horton. His second wife was Arlene Wickum (divorced). His third wife is Elsie (Sumrall) Rederick...
Marie Lavern Ell married Roy Henry Roudine and they have two children 1. Lynette Marie (Roudine) Fishburn 2. Maureen Ann Roudine...
Also I have Mary Ann Lingor's mother's maiden name as Schaffer...
Are you related to this Mary Ann Lingor family?

ELL - Clara Margaret Ell & spouse Engelbert P. Werlinger

PSE78 — 2005-06-01 03:26:17Z

Does anybody know how I can get in contact with the children of Clara (Ell) Werlinger & her spouse Engelbert Peter Werlinger's children? Their children's names are:
Alfred A. Werlinger & sp: JoNell Tally; Helen Agnes Werlinger & sp: Joseph Patterson; Cecilia Werlinger & sp: Richard Hanzlik; Veronica Werlinger & sp: Donald Calvert...
These are distant cousins of mine, and I would very much like to get their family genealogy...

ELL - Leo J. Ell - son of Phillip Ell & Mary Ann Lingor

PSE78 — 2005-06-01 03:20:29Z

Does anybody have any genealogical information on a Leo J. Ell (born in 1928 in North Dakota). As far as I know he was the only child of Phillip Joseph Ell (born: June 15, 1905) and Mary Ann Lingor (born: April 4, 1908). Does anybody know if Leo J. Ell ever married, or has kids?

ELL - Hazel "Helen" Ell & spouse Frank J. Vetsch

PSE78 — 2005-06-01 03:15:29Z

Does anybody know how I can get in contact with the children of Helen Ell & Frank Vetsch? Their children's names are: Elizabeth Agnes (Vetsch) Hammerel; Eleanor Helen (Vetsch) Burlington; Florence Marie (Vetsch) Flemin; Mary Ann (Vetsch) Johnson; and Frank Joseph Vetsch. The rest of their children are deceased...

ELL - Wendelin "Wendel" & wife, Eva Neis

PSE78 — 2005-06-01 03:11:11Z

Searching for genealogical information on Wendel Ell and Eva (Neis) Ell's children: Wendel Anthony Ell, Sr.; and Catherine Jean Ell. Both Wendel Ell, Sr. and his sister Catherine are deceased now... All I know is that Wendel Ell, Sr. had four children named: Cynthia Kay Ell, Wendel Anthony Ell, Jr., Steven Ell, and Richard Ell. And his sister, Catherine (Ell) Beals, had three children: Harold F. Beals, Jr., David Lee Beals, Sr., and Russell Allen Beals...
Does anybody know how I can get in contact with these children?

Re: ELL - Edward (married to Frances Han ? )

PSE78 — 2005-02-27 10:42:28Z

Oops! I meant to say that Edward Ell has a brother named Barry Ell [not Victor]. And Barry is also the son of Victor Ell and Gladys Ayres).

ELL - Barry (son of Victor Ell & Gladys Ayres)

PSE78 — 2005-02-27 10:39:59Z

Does anybody know the whereabouts of my cousin Barry Ell? Barry has a brother named Edward Ell. Barry and Edward are the children of Victor Ell & Gladys Ayres, and the grandchildren of Peter Ell and Regina Becker.

ELL - Edward (married to Frances Han ? )

PSE78 — 2005-02-27 10:35:55Z

Does anyone know the whereabouts of my cousin, Edward Ell? He is married to a Frances Han (maiden name unknown). Edward Ell is the son of Victor Ell and Gladys Ayres. And Edward Ell has a brother named Victor Ell. Edward Ell is also the grandson of Peter Ell and Regina Becker... Can anybody put me in contact with Edward?

ELL - Frances Han Unknown? (married to George Irving Ell)

PSE78 — 2005-02-26 09:51:07Z

Does anyone know anything about the George Irving Ell and Frances Han (maiden name unknown)? George was born on 1899 in Oregon. And his parents were Peter and Regina Ell. That is all I know. Does anyone know if George and Frances Ell had any children - possibly still living in Oregon?

ELL, Walter (aka: Johannes) - married to a Francis Nagel

PSE78 — 2005-01-28 09:20:08Z

Seeking information on a Francis Nagel [female] who was married to Johannes "Walter" Ell - possibly around 1864 in Prussia. They were Germans. They never immigrated to the USA. But four of their children did. I believe they ended up living somewhere near Odessa, Russia.

Re: ELL - Michael (born: 1871 in Odessa, Russia) lived in S.Dakota

PSE78 — 2004-12-18 23:30:58Z

Can you tell me the names of Paul Ell's parent's? Or perhaps the names of his siblings and their children? Maybe I will be able to find a connection then???

Pam Ell

ELL- George (born: 1920 in Portland, Oregon, USA)

PSE78 — 2004-11-10 12:22:55Z

Does anyone have any genealogical information on a George Ell (son of Peter Ell and Virginia or 'Regina' Becker)? I know that George Ell was born in Portland, Oregon in 1920. But I don't know where he lived after he grew up, or if he got married and had any kids. Does anybody have any information on this George Ell? His father, Peter Ell, was my grandfather's brother. My grandfather is Frank Ell, Sr. (son of Johannes "Walter" Ell & Francis Brumall or Brownaugle)...
All I know is that George Ell was born in 1920 in Portland, Oregon (according to the 1930 Census records). Can anybody help me out here?

ELL - Victor L. (born: 1895 in Portland, Oregon, USA)

PSE78 — 2004-11-10 12:17:54Z

Does anyone have any genealogical information on a Victor L. Ell (son of Peter Ell and Virginia or Regina Becker)? I think he married a woman named Gladys Ayres. I know that Victor Ell was born in Portland, Oregon. But I don't know where he lived after he got married. Or if they had any children. Does anybody have any information on this Victor L. Ell??? His father, Peter Ell, was my grandfather's brother. My grandfather is Frank Ell, Sr. (son of Johannes "Walter" Ell & Francis Brumall or Brownaugle)...

ELL - Michael (born: 1871 in Odessa, Russia) lived in S.Dakota

PSE78 — 2004-11-10 12:11:59Z

Does anyone know Michael Ell's parent's names? I have him married to a Kathrine F. (maiden name unknown). And they have two children (1) Nickolas F. Ell - born: 1912, (2) Barbara J. Ell - born: 1913 in Dewey, South Dakota...
I was wondering if he is one of the sons of Johannes "Walter" Ell and Francis Brumall or Brownaugle? I know that only four of Johannes "Walter" Ell's children immigrated to the USA. Three of their names are: Johannes "John" Ell, Peter Ell, and Frank Ell, Sr... The fourth brother's name is listed as Midas Ell, but I'm thinking it may have been Michael Ell instead???
They were all born in Odessa, Russia. Any comments anyone???

ELL - Peter (born: 9-24-1920)

PSE78 — 2004-11-10 12:02:42Z

Does anyone have any genealogical information on a Peter Ell that was born on Sept. 24, 1920? He is the son of Johannes "John" Ell and Eleanor Hoffart. I received information that he was married to a woman named Bettie Louise (born: 2-22-1921), but I don't know if this is correct. It also says that he has three sons: (1) Michael Gregory Ell - born: 9-3-1944, (2) Jack Edward Ell - born: 8-18-1945, (3) Patrick Paul Ell - born: 11-1-1946... Does anybody know if this information is correct? And if so, do you know how I can contact these three Ell kids?

ELL - Peter (born: 1868 in Odessa, Russia)

PSE78 — 2004-11-10 11:57:09Z

Does anybody have any genealogical information on a Peter Ell (son of Johannes "Walter" Ell & Francis Brumall)? He came to America in 1888 and married Regina Becker in 1891. They lived in Portland, Oregon till they died there. As far as I know, they had two sons: Victor L. Ell (born: 1895), and George Ell (born: 1920). Both children were born in Portland, Oregon. Peter Ell was a mason and construction worker. His name is still embedded on many curbsides throughout the Portland, Oregon area. His son Victor worked at a plumbing supply store... Does anybody have anymore information on Peter Ell, or his two sons, Victor L. Ell and George Ell??? Peter Ell also has brothers named Johannes "John" Ell and Frank Ell, Sr. that also came to America from Odessa, Russia...

Gary Ell and family

CATwhizkid — 2006-06-14 05:51:19Z

Gary, would you be willing to share what information you have on the Ell family. I have my entire database on the internet and will give you the URLif you would like to work together on the Ell line. Are you related to Benedict Ell or Paul Ell?
Cathy

Ell

CATwhizkid — 2006-06-14 05:51:19Z

Tom, would you email me at cat@elp.rr.com?
I would like to see how we are related.

Thanks, Cathy

Benedict Ell

CATwhizkid — 2006-06-14 05:51:19Z

I have a Benedict Ell in my family also.
BENEDICT ELL 13 Dec 1898 Mar 1967
Died in La Mesa, Ca. Does this match what you have? Perhaps they are cousins?
cat@elp.rr.com

Re: UK Ells

ssray163 — 2008-05-23 19:42:50Z

Hello.
I don't know if you are still looking for information, your posting was 8yrs ago. I have only just started. My grandmother's maiden name was Ethel Ell and she lived in Walthamstow East London, I am not sure if she was born there. She married L.Hardy and they moved to Oxford. There were also relatives in Watford.
ssray163
Canada

Re: UK Ells

karenbslade — 2005-06-30 21:33:52Z

My ggf was James Hedley Albert Ell born st georges, surrey in 1861, married in hastings then moved to Croydon, surrey. Think part of the family moved to South Africa. No idea why though. Any bells ringing out there?

Re: Bedfordshire ELL's

@@bparis56@aol.com — 2005-11-17 22:17:55Z

Hello Michael.

Sorry, but I think my ELL's are firmly set in Bedfordshire. So far I haven't any knowledge of them outside of that county. As far as I know they were farmers.

I'll keep your message with the names and date just in case they turn up.

Regards.

Barbara.
Suffolk. England

Francis & Valentine Ell, 1831 to New York City, then Brookhaven

ghspies — 2005-11-17 02:33:08Z

Looking for connections to Francis Ell, b. ca. 1779, in Germany, who arrived in New York on 17 Dec 1831 on the Ship De Rham. With him were F. Berese, Joseph, Magdalin, Mary Ann and Valentin or Valentine.

Francis is found in New York City, Ward 10 in 1850 census, with a Fredericke King, who may be F. Berese above. Joseph married Emily and had Mary, Joseph, Louisa, Amelia, and Carolina per 1860 New York City, Ward 14, Dist. 1 census. He is not found thereafter.

Valentine married Josephine and is later found in Brookhaven, Suffolk Co., New York. Their children include Francis, Josephine, Valentine, Teressa, Henry, Joseph and James B. Ell.