Thankyou for your message-yes I have John Elms as one of his brothers,I have the others too. I have the 1841 census for Wiltshire. I have found Robert's father as James Elms [b1775-77] m to betty emmett at chippenham. But I cannot find James's parents -tried lds. Had the wfro at trowbridge look on parish records-but no sign. I think another Robert Elmes could well be his father. I have the lacock marriages from 1500's. bfn--ken