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Re: Elizabeth ( Betsey / Betsy ) Fall

Posted: 23 Jan 2010 7:30PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Heather:


The original of this 3 Generations of the Henry H. FALL family was received by us (myself and two other HINES family researchers) in 2000 from Barb CASE, who was living in Rochester, NY at that time. It appears that Barb must have been related to the WITT line through Eleanor FALL. We do not know for sure, but Barb has disappeared from the Internet scene, so may have died.

Barb's information was wonderful to receive but there were a few errors regarding Hatevil's wife. She was definitely Sarah DUNHAM, with information backing that up in Hatevil's Civil War Pension and Military Service papers which I ordered from the US archives.

Because this email system is only in black and white, except where I put "Tom's note" you will not be able to differentiate between the original information that I received from Barb Case and the information that I have added since 2000.

The info shown here about Hatevil's son Isaac and Isaac's son Caliston was just added by me after I did some searching at ancestry.com and other sites after reading your query. Caliston was a twin, with his sister named Calista.

From an inquiry posted by someone else on another site, there was some history passed down that the FALL family had Native American ancestry. I have not found any such ancestry, but it is always possible.

However, the info passed down might have been embellished over the years, as Isaac and his family moved to Ohio from Jefferson County, New York (upper New York State near Watertown) circa 1840 (Hamden, Geauga County, Ohio which I think is Cleveland area). Soon after, the family was living in Sandusky County,Ohio but in 1850 there is no trace of Isaac, so he likely died between 1842 and 1850.

What is significant about the family's Sandusky County location is that in the very late 1830's and very early 1840's, the US government moved the Wyandot Indians and other tribes from Sandusky County, Ohio to Kansas. I am familiar with that move as last summer I happened to be researching another ancestral line of Mohawk Indians who had sided with the British in the American Revolution, then moved into Ontario (Canada) after the Revolution, and then a small group of them moved to a Wyandot reservation (becoming adopted into the Wyandots) near Detroit and then to Sandusky County, Ohio and then to points west.

What likely happened, is that Isaac FALL managed to be assigned a piece of land on the former Wyandot reserve in Sandusky County shortly after the Wyandots were moved out, and thereby the Native connection got garbled in later generations into "Native ancestry" as the info got changed as it passed down by word of mouth.

Anyway, I will post here the background info that I have on the amazingly named Hatevil Henry FALL (who generally did go by Hatevil in his Pension papers), his wife Sarah DUNHAM and their known children.

I am related to Hatevil's son James, about whom Barb CASE did not have any information.

I will not post all of my FALL family info here, but the info on Hatevil and his son Isaac is about all that I have. Both Henry and his wife Sarah must have had excellent genes as they both lived to age 90+ which was an amazing feat back in the early 1800s. No idea who Hatevil parents were or when his ancestors moved to British North America (as it was before the Revolution), nor where they were from - eg. could be England or Ireland, or even Germany but assuming a name change in spelling such a PFALL

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1 Henry Hatevil FALL
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Birth: 1753, Damariscotta, Lincoln Co, ME1
Death: 19 Jul 1845, Hounsfield, Jefferson Co, NY, age: 922
Burial: Brownville Cemetery, Brownville, NY3, See Henry FALL Jr

Pension records are the primary source of information.2 Three places of enlistment were given for Henry: Damariscotta, ME; Bristol, ME; and Boston, MA. Take your pick. His birth has not been found yet.

In Massachusetts Soldiers and Sailors in the War of the Revolution4, pp.483-484 there is a listing of thirteen assignments (listings) for Hatevil FALL dated from 7 Oct 1775 to Sept 1778. No battles are mentioned. However, rank, company and regiment are given in each listing along with where the company was mustered. From October 1775 through February 1777 he served under Captains Bowne, Swan, Hilton, Hodsdon, Brigham, and Sumner. In February 1777 he joined Capt Samuel Fosters company, Col. Greatons regiment, in which he was listed as Sergeant and reported on command at Canterhook. (In the pension record it states guarded public stores at Kinderhoook, NY.2, Query Summary) 20 Jul 1778, Lieut James Tisdale is in command of (late) Capt Fosters company. 1 Aug 1778, reported reduced to Private. An earlier entry for pay accounts for 1 Jan 1777 to 22 Dec 1778 includes reported deserted.

Tom’s Note:
In Henry H. FALL’s Revolutionary War Pension Papers, it was also mentioned that Henry had served for a while in a fleet of gunboats on Lake Champlain in NY State under the command of Brigadier General Benedict Arnold, and that Henry was on a boat that was sunk. Perhaps this was the Gunboat ‘Spitfire’ which was recently raised from the bottom of Lake Champlain!!!?
http://www.lcmm.org/site/mri/mri_arch_projects/gunboat_spitf...

According to his pension papers, Henry also took part in a failed American Rebel campaign that was intended to raid Quebec City.

In Childs Gazetteer (Brownville, bio for Anson Potter of Hounsfield) are the following notes: he (Potter) made the acquaintance of Miss Abby M. Fall, whom he married September 26, 1826. Her father, Henry T. Fall, [Note: should read Henry H.] was an officer in the Revolutionary army and served during the war; soon after peace was declared he settled in Litchfield County where Mrs. Potter was born, April 11, 1802. In 1811, meeting with some reverses in business, he emigrated to the town of Rodman.5, Pt.1, pp 303-304, Brownville

Burial is also not clear. See notes for son, Henry.



Census: 1790 Census: Kinderhook, Columbus Co., NY. Fall, Henry
In the household were: 1 male over age 16; 2 males under age 16; and 4 females

Census: 1800 Census: Herkimer County, New York, p.421; Fall, Henry
Henry is over 45, his wife was between 26-45; They had two boys age 10-16, 1 boy under 10 and 5 girls under 10.

1810 Census: Lewis County, New York, p.113 Fall, Henry
Henry and his wife were over age 45, with 4 girls between ages 10 and 16, and 1 boy and 1 girl under 10


1820 Census: Hounsfield, Jefferson County, New York, p.136/405 Fall, Henry
In the household are: 1 male and 1 female over 45; 1 male (16-18) and 2 females (16-26)

1825 Census: Hounsfield, p.5; Fall, Henry H.
Household contains 1 male (voter) and 3 females: 2 females unmarried (16-45) and 1 presumed over 45.
He farmed 18 acres and had 2 cattle, 2 horses, 22 sheep and 2 hogs. The family produced 20 yds fulled cloth.

1830 Census:

1840 Census: Ellisburg, p 29, Fall, Henry H.
Household consists of one very old woman (80-90) and one very old man (90-100).

Spouse: Sarah DURHAM
Birth: 1757, Kinderhook, Columbia Co, NY1
Death: 17 May 1848, Brownville, Jefferson Co, NY, age: 916
Death Memo: Died of old age at 88yrs
Father: James DURHAM
Mother: Eleanor PATTERSON

Every one of the DAR applications from Jefferson county says that Henry married Sarah BRACE. But the pension application and records of the Dutch Reformed Church in Claverack, NY, clearly state that her name was Sarah DURHAM.

Sarah may have been the daughter of Silas Durham who appears in the 1790 census.

The only children found in the pension papers are: Eleanor (called the second child), Abigail, Isaac and Betsey. There are obvious gaps in the records.

There is a death record in the old books which may or may not be Sarah Durham Fall. Her age is given as 88yrs at the time of death which would give her a birth year of 1759/1760. Close enough? She died of old age.

Research: Find source of birth information???

Marr: 10 Feb 1778, Hudson, Columbia Co, NY7

Children: Eleanor (1782-1871) married Gott WITT
Henry (1791-1831) married Amy BAILEY
James married Irene/Irena LUNNON/LENNON/LUMAN (?)
Hannah married Abel SCOTT
Abigail (1800-) (Abby) married Anson POTTER
Isaac (1802-) married Abagail Elizabeth GUERNSEY
Betsey (1804-) (Elizabeth B.) married Newman/Numan HOLLY/HOLLEY/HAWLEY



FYI Here is a link to a Jefferson County site where you can find a sketch of Abby FALL (Mrs. Anson POTTER) and her hubbyh
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ny/county/jefferson/ppp/




1.6 Isaac FALL
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Birth: 1802

Isaac was 18 in 1820 according to the summary of his father’s pension papers.2

Some of following is from a posting by Casey M. Prentice to the FALL surname site through Ancestry.com/Rootsweb. I have added information in from Ancestry.com records:

..... 4 Issac Fall b: 1802 in Sackets Harbor, NY d: 25 Oct 1895 in/near Elmore, Ohio (I don’t know where this death date came from. Could not find Isaac in the US Censuses after 1840, so appears to have died circa 1845 in Ohio. In 1840, Isaac H. Fall and family were in Hampden, Geauga County, Ohio, with 2 males under age 5, 1 male age 5 to 10, one male age 10 to 15, one male age 30 to 40, 1 female under age 5, 2 females age 5 to 10, and one female age 30 to 40).
http://www.cousinconnect.com/d/a/66737
Isaac passed away at a young age in Marblehead, Ottawa Co. OH at a young age, which would have been after 1844 because his last child Elvira born.
......... +Abagail Elizabeth Guernsey b: in Hounsfield, Ellisburg Township, Jefferson Co., NY d: in Ohio (Abagail/Abigail was not in the US Censuses after 1860, so likely died between 1860 and 1870 in Ohio. In 1860 she, Calista and Adeline/Adaline were in Ballville, Sandusky County, Ohio).
......... 5 (perhaps) Louisa Fall b. ~1833 NY (was on the same page in 1850 Census as Abagail and children – no Isaac – in Ballville, Sandusky County, Ohio)
............. 5 Seth Fall b: 1835 in NY married Jane NEELY 13 Feb 1859 in Sandusky County, Ohio
............. 5 Amos William Fall b: 1836 in Sackets Harbor, NY d: Bet. 1900 - 1910
................. +Hannah Kistler b: 1834 in Melborne, OH d: 26 Jun 1906
............. 5 Caliston Fall b: 08 Mar 1839 d: 27 Jul 1918 in Lenewee Co. (twin with Calista)
................. +Calista Schouten Caliston was in 1864 Civil war Co. H Unit 64 Ohio Infantry.
http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.ohi...
Calista Schouten-Fall
CourtneyBoydFall (View posts)
Posted: 5 Jun 2005 11:55AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Schouten, Fall, Brunt, Hall, Conklin, Hull, Lillie
I'm looking for pictures of Calista Schouten-Fall, daughter of William and Ruth Schouten of Sandusky Co., Ohio. In the 1860 census Sandusky Co. Green Creek, Ohio Calista was about 20yrs old, looks like she had siblings named Defout?, Justus, Alice, Maroin?-boy, and Minnie. She married Caliston Fall August 26, 1860 in Sandusky Co and had Frank L. Fall, Clara E. Fall-Fitch-Brunt, Hortense "Hortie" B.Fall-Hall, Alice B. Fall, Emmit C. Fall, Ellen E. Fall-Conklin, William Guernsey Fall, Calista B. Fall, Zua A. Fall-Hull, Edna M. Fall-Lillie, and Edwin H. Fall. Caliston inlisted in the Civil war in 1864 when he got out they made their way to Lenawee Co., Deerfield and Blissfield, Michigan. It would be nice to put faces to these names that I have been searching.
Edwin H Fall born Feb. 12 1888 in MI and died June 13 1970 in San Diego. Son of Caliston Fall and Calista Schouten originally of Sandusky Co, OH. They moved to MI.

http://genforum.genealogy.com/fall/messages/237.html
Caliston and Calista Fall married? 8-26-1860 Sandusky, OH
Inlisted Civil War 9-26-1864 OH, Co. H 64 Ohio Infantry-Private.
Children: Alice B. 2-25-1869/8-31-1880 Deerfield Cemetery
Calista B. 1-13-1879/9-18-1880 Deerfield, MI cemetery
Hortie B. (Hortense) 5-12-1866/4-28-1888 Deerfield, MI Cemetery
William Guernsey 8-6-1876/2-4-1915 Deerfield, MI Cemetery
Frank L. Toledo, OH
Clara E. Fitch-Brunt 7-25-1863/4-14-1949 Deerfield, MI Cem.
Emmit C. 9-?-1872 San Antonio, Tx
Ella E. Conklin Toledo, OH
Zua A. Hull 1881/1959 Pleasantview Cem. Blissfield, MI
Edna M. Lillie AnnArbor, MI
Edward H. 2-12-1888 MI/1-13-1970 San Diego,CA


............. 5 Calista Fall b: 08 Mar 1839. (twin with Caliston). Died in Lucas County, Ohio on March 16, 1926 – Volume 4994 Certificate 17911. Death registration under name of Calista Fall, so may not have married.
............. 5 Adaline Fall b: 1841 married W. H. ICKES 7 Feb 1861 in Sandusky County, Ohio
............. 5 Elvira Fall b: 1844
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