Pat,
In your post on Mar 20 you asked the following the question:
“It seems that you are now satisfied that your ancestor is Samuel "B" Farmer, is that correct or is that still open?”
The answer is no. But I am closer to accepting Bob Farmer’s reasoning then any other. There are a number of issues to deal with and that is the fact that there are so many people with the same name. There are at least three Fredericks and at least three or four Matthews. It looks like the point of confusion starts after John with the fact that
1.) John might have had a son named Frederick who had a son named Frederick who had a son named Matthew
2.) John might have had a son named Frederick whose first wife died (the mother of the 2nd Frederick) and then remarried and had two sons, Matthew and Barnard. So in that case Matthew is the younger half brother of the 2nd Frederick and not his son.

Also there is a few posting out on the internet about another Matthew Farmer who was born in 1734 moved to Miami, Ohio. I know this is not my Matthew because he was born too soon but his will gives the name of his wife as Margaret but not her maiden name
Was she Margaret Molly Glass, daughter of Dudley Glass? Or was that the wife of my Matthew? We know that my Matthew moved to St. Charles Co. with and/or at the same time that my ggg grandfather Samuel B. Farmer with wife Frances. Samuel is listed as one of the sons of the Ohio Matthew on some internet postings but he is not listed in the text of the actual will of the Ohio Matthew. I have not seen a will from my Matthew. If any body would know it would be Bob Farmer of Florissant because he is the only person I know of who has done research in the court house in St. Charles Co. where Matthew died. I see that Bob/George R. Farmer of Florissant has the children of the Ohio Matthew as the children of my Matthew – his gggg uncle (per above posting dated March 11.)

I am posting a cut and past of one of those postings about a Matthew Farmer that has a combination of both of the Matthews in question making them out to be one person.

I know you are not related at this point in the Farmer family line since your line branches off at John the son of Henry but if you can shed some light that would be helpful. I don’t know how much of the info on this cut and past is accurate but it is a starting point. If Bob or rsnyder20041 or anyone else with any knowledge of the Farmer family line would like to comment, I am all ears.

I start the cut and past with Frederick (Sr) b. 1710 and I end with a line listing
Barnad’s son John since he the gg of Bob Farmer.

If you follow the posting it goes on to list Bird and his son William.

http://kyusa.addr.com/Farmer/


2 Frederick Farmer, b abt 1710 in Henrico Co, Va d 12 Mar 1782 in Halifax Co., Va md.
(1) Martha Hatcher, dau of Co. William Hatcher who was a member of the House of Burgesses for Henrico Co., 1644, 1645, 1649, 1652
(2) Obedience Adkins dau of William Adkins of Chesterfield Co., moved to Halifax Co VA.
(3) Elizabeth Metcalf - after Frederick Farmer's death in 1782 she married Nathan Sullins from Halifax Co. **
--- He was a Revolutionary War Veteran (per National Archives documents)
--- Frederick Farmer was appointed surveyor by the January Court 1769.
---It should be noted that a number of genealogies found on the Internet reference a Frederick Farmer, Sr. (spouse identified as Martha Hatcher) and a Frederick Farmer, Jr. (spouse identified as Obedience Adkins) from Chesterfield Co., VA.
--Chesterfield Co. deed records verify the marriage of Frederick Farmer Sr., and Martha Hatcher. However, Halifax Co. deeds clearly state that the spouse of Frederick Farmer, Jr. was Mary Boice (granddaughter of Thomas Finney).
--Furthermore, a Chesterfield Co., VA deed (Deed Book 7, Page 194) states that the wife of Frederick Farmer (Sr. - identified by his signing his name with the mark "X') was Obedience. Therefore, it is theorized that Frederick Farmer, Sr. had two wives: Martha whose offspring included Frederick Farmer, Jr. and David Farmer; and Obedience whose offspring included Barnard Farmer and Matthew Farmer.
--Other genealogies found on the Internet reference a Frederick Farmer from Patrick/Henry/Halifax Counties (spouse identified as Elizabeth Metcalf). These genealogies purport that this Frederick died in 1782 and that his widow later married a Nathan Sullins. Halifax Co. deed, personal property, court, and marriage records verify that a Frederick Farmer died in 1782 and left a widow named Elizabeth Farmer who married Nathan Sullins from Halifax Co.
--- A Frederick Farmer sold land to Barnard Farmer in Halifax Co. in 1801. This Frederick Farmer signed his name using the mark X. Frederick Farmer, Sr. from Chesterfield Co. signed his name using the mark X. Halifax Co. Personal Property Tax Records seem to indicate that this Frederick Farmer and Frederick Farmer, Sr. originally from Chesterfield Co., VA are one-and-the-same. It is theorized that this Frederick Farmer is the father of Barnard Farmer. It should be noted that Halifax Co. records insinuate some relation between Frederick and Enoch Farmer. Halifax Co. personal property records show that Frederick had one son under the age of 21 in 1789. Later personal property records in 1789 show that Frederick Farmer has NO sons under the age of 21 and list Barnard (listed directly under Frederick) for the first time. Barnard is consistently listed under Frederick's name in personal property tax lists from 1789 through 1800. Halifax Co. court records show that Frederick Farmer was surveyor of the road from the Banister River Bridge to the county line AND that Barnard was named surveyor of the same road later in time. Halifax Co. marriage records show that Barnard offered surety at Frederick's daughter's (Judith) wedding in 1797.
· 1. David Farmer m. Jane ___(Halifax Co., Va., History by Carrington)
--- Farmer Tax Records , Virginia, 1782- 1787-- Year-1782 County-Halifax Surname-Farmer Name-David White-4 Black-1 Bldgs-0
o 1. Obediah Farmer
· 2. Frederick Farmer md. Mary Boice (granddaughter of Thomas Finney)
---He moved from Chesterfield Co. VA to Halifax Co. VA to Randolph Co. NC – where he founded the community of Farmer, North Carolina
---Halifax Co. marriage and deed records outline the sale of property and offering of surety at weddings which specifically name Frederick Farmer, Barnard Farmer, and/or John F. Farmer. A Matthew Farmer is identified as the son of Frederick Farmer in Halifax Co. Deed Book 19, Page 321. Halifax Co. records, and John F. Farmer genealogy research, tie the aforementioned to a Matthew Farmer and show a tie between the Farmer, Martin, Carr, and Glass families of Halifax Co. **
---A Matthew Farmer is referenced in the Genealogical Abstracts of Revolutionary War Pension Files as born in Chesterfield Co., VA; a resident of Halifax Co., VA; and moving to St. Charles Co., MO in 1834. Another noteworthy relationship with Frederick and Barnard Farmer is that of the Nunnally (alias Nunnallee) family. Harbard Nunnally is listed in a Halifax Co. marriage record as marrying Judith Farmer, daughter of Frederick Farmer -and Barnard Farmer offers the surety. Additional Halifax Co. records show sale of property by Frederick Farmer (& co.) to Harbard (alias Herbert) Nunnally. **
o 1. Matthew Farmer
o 2. Judith Farmer md Harbard (Herbert) Nunnally in 1797
· 3. William Henry Farmer md Mary Polly Sullins 3 Aug 1790 Halifax Co., VA. b 12 Apr 1769 d 3 May 1838 at Anderson Co., TN *---* **
o 1. Luke M FARMER, b 30 Dec 1792 at Halifax Co., VA; md Jane WILLIAMS.
o 2. Lucy Belecca FARMER b 5 Apr 1792. mdJohn SHUEMAKE
o 3. Rebecca FARMER b Sep 1796. md Henry SHOEMAKER.
o 4. Elizabeth FARMER b 5 Mar 1799. md James BREEDEN.
o 5. Asby FARMER b 20 Mar 1801.md Benjamin JOHNSON.
o 6. Nathan Anderson FARMER b 11 Apr 1803 at Dutch Valley, Anderson Co., TN; md Filinia Jane HOSKINS.
o 7. Henry FARMER b 5 Aug 1805.
o 8. Winona Jane (Winnie) FARMER b 14 Jul 1807; md Robert SEIBER.
o 9. William M. FARMER b 7 Oct 1809. md Cathrine TUNNELL.
o 10. Mary FARMER b 8 Jan 1811. md Nimrod SEIBER.
o 11 Massa FARMER b 1 Oct 1813 TN. md John SHARP.
o 12. Wiley FARMER b 3 May 1815.
o 13. Daughter FARMER d in a fire
· 4. Matthew Farmer was b 1734 in Chesterfield Co., Va d 4 Sep 1835 Miami Co. Ohio. buried McKendree Church in Miami Co. Ohio near New Carlile, Ohio. married Margaret Molly Glass 11 Dec 1787 in Halifax Co., Va. ** **
--- Matthew Farmer (Revolutionary War veteran – married Molly Glass, moved from Halifax Co. VA to Franklin Co., VA and directly to St. Charles, MO –
--- Matthew’s records include over 50 pages documented at the National Archives in Washington, D.C.
--- 1780 Enlisted in Halifax Co., Virginia served three months as a sergent in Capt. Joshua Powell's Co., Col. Fleming's regt. of the Virginia line.
--- 1810 census Franklin Co., Virginia
--- 1820 census Elizabeth Twp. Miami Co., Ohio p. 87
--- 1827 census Elizabeth Twp. Miami Co., Ohio
--- 1830 census Elizabeth Twp. Miami Co., Ohio p. 57
--- 1834 Will Miami Co., Ohio page 143
--- Matthew Farmers will and Testament
Be it Remembered that I Matthew Farmer Being weak in body but of sound and perfect mind and memory Blessed be Almighty God for the same. Do make and publish this my last will and testament In manner and form following that is to say First I give and bequeath unto my beloved wife Margaret Farmer sixty acres of land whereon I now live - Being in the State of Ohio Miami County Elizabeth Township in the north part of Section one and in the north west quarter of the said quarter further I give and bequeath unto my beloved wife all the goods chattles household and furniture and all other whatsoever I hold and to dispose of as she sees prop. During her life time at her death the land and all other goods and chattles to be sold and be equally divided between John Farmer - Nancy Mason - Mary Shurrum - Elizabeth Black and Jane Farmer widow of William Farmer further for my heirs to have the liberty to sell the land goods and chattles between themselves as they see proper after my beloved wife Margaret Farmers' death. I hereby appoint no other Executors of this my last will and testament hereby revoking all former wills by me made - in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal the eighteenth day of August in the year of our one thousand eight hundred and thirty four Matthew Farmer (seal) Signed sealed published and declared by the above named Matthew Farmer to be his last will and testament in the presence of us who at his request and at his presence have hereunto subscribed our names as witnesses to the same George William Daniel x Prilleman Isaac Shell Proof of the Will State of Ohio Miami County Court of Common Pleas October Term AD 1835 Personally appeared in open court George Williams - Daniel Prilleman and Isaac Shell who being duly sworn depose and say that the paper hereunto annexed was signed by the said Matthew Farmer in our presence we signed the said paper as witnesses of the same. That the said testator was of lawful age and of sound and disposing mind and that he was not under any restraint to our knowledge George Williams Daniel x Prilleman Isaac Shell
o 1. Mary FARMER md Edware S. EAMES 29 Jan 1827 in Franklin Co., Va. **
o 2. William FARMER b 1770-1780 d 1834 Miami Co. Ohio md Jean Jane WYATT 21 Oct 1799 in Franklin Co., Va. *--* **
§ 1. Margaret FARMER,
§ 2. John FARMER,
§ 3. Mathew FARMER,
§ 4. Andrew FARMER,
§ 5. William FARMER,
§ 6. Sarah FARMER,
§ 7. Nancy FARMER,
§ 8. Betsy FARMER..
o 3. Elizabeth FARMER md Adam BLACK on 2 Aug 1819 Miami Co., Ohio. **
o 4. Nancy FARMER md John MASON 23 Aug 1808 in Franklin Co., Va. **
o 5. Samuel B. FARMER b 1803 in Va.. **
o 6. John FARMER b 1790-1794. Greene Co. md Sarah WYATT on 10 May 1803 in Franklin Co., Va. **
1. James FARMER b 12 Jan 1818 in Miami County, Ohio. d 1 Sep 1879 Greene County, Wis.md Sarah FITZGERALD b 11 Jun 1820 in Marion Co. Ohio.. d 15 Nov 1906 in Greene Co. Wis. **
§ 1. Elizabeth J. FARMER
§ 2. Enoch FARMER b 19 Feb 1842 in Wyandott Co. Ohio. d 15 May 1921
§ 3. Nelson FARMER b 1844 in Wisc
§ 4. Martha FARMER b 1846 in Wisc
§ 5. Fidelia FARMER b 1849 in Wisc
§ 6. Lavina FARMER b 1852 in Wisc
§ 7. Charles FARMER b 1854 in Wisc
§ 8. Ira FARMER b 1852 in Wisc
· 5. Barnard Farmer abt 1767 Halifax Co, VA. md Mary "Molly/Polly" Carr 27 July 1789 in Halifax Co.b abt 1767 d 12 April 1841 Stokes Co., NC ** **
--- Barnard moved to Stokes Co., NC circa 1826
--- War of 1812 veteran
o 1. Elizabeth Farmer
o 2. Mary Farmer
o 3. John Flavil Farmer b 1801 in Halifax Co, VA. d March 1881 Weakley Co.,TN md. Elizabeth E. Martin, 17 Dec 1823 in Halifax Co,