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Re: Farrars in Franklin Co., MO

TeresaCunninghamJohnson — 2009-11-04 21:27:16Z

In my line I have Valentine Cunningham and Mary Laprade. I show their son Jessis, then Jessie's son Andrew L. Cunningham, then Andrew's son was William Joseph "Joe" Cunningham, Joe's son was OA Cunningham, OA Cunningham was Jimmy Cunningham who was my father. Any information on these family would be appreciated.
Teresa Cunningham Johnson
TeresaCJohnson@gmail.com

Julie Farrar, m. Samuel R Hull abt 1887, Canada and Lamoille Cty VT

nicehuman7 — 2009-10-30 23:23:53Z

Looking for information on my g-grandmother Julie Farrar. She was born Nov 1852 apparently in Canada but that is uncertain. These folks crossed the Canadian/USA border frequently. Their children were mostly born in VT and include:
Leon Clarence Hull, b. 1888
Lillian Clare Hull, b. 1888 or 1890
Johnny E Hull, b. 1892
Robert Samuel Hull, b. 1895
Thank you, Annie Hull-Hitchcock

Julie Farrar, m. Samuel R Hull abt 1888, Canada and Lamoille Cty VT

nicehuman7 — 2009-10-30 23:23:16Z

Farrer (Latterly Farrer) From Glandore, Co.Cork, Ireland

farreste — 2009-10-05 19:07:20Z

I'm struggling to trace my Farrar/Farrer ancestry beyond Samuel Farrer (Born Co.Cork in 1845). The Irish census of 1900 shows that Samuel was a Woollen Weaver at the time, with 4 chilren, living in rented accomodation within the Glandore area. Any help would be greatly appreciated as I believe his father may have been either English (descended from the Yorkshire/Lancashire Farrars) or from a concentration of Farrar farmers located in Co.Wicklow according to the Griffiths Valuation.

Nettie M. Farrar b. Jan 1867 in Maine, USA

neen291 — 2009-09-20 01:25:37Z

This is my husbands grandmother. She married Elmer E. Edwards in 1884-85. Nettie died in 1910 according to my info. They had 8 children; Sherman E, Eugene H, Florence E, Annie L, Leroy E, Iva W, Aurelia M, Lizzie L Edwards.
Iva is my husbands mother. They lived in Cumberland County mostly. If I have the right family; Iva married Arthur Freeland Brookings and they lived in Portland, ME when Albert was born or close by.
Albert is 88 yrs and in bad health and can't remember things now. Haven't been researching for to many years.
Shirl

Re: New England Farrar's?

neen291 — 2009-09-20 00:04:16Z

Hi,
I am researching my husbands grandmother. She was Nettie M. Farrar, born Jan 1867 In Maine. She married Elmer E. Edwards in 1884 or 1885. They lived in or near Raymond, Cumberland, ME and had 8 children I think. Their daughter, Iva married Arthur Freeland Brookings if I have my facts straight so far.
I do hope you see this.
Shirl

Re: Farrar's of Longtown Perry Co, MO

Alan Pearson — 2009-09-17 18:49:15Z

Stella

Let me know what you have on your John Farrar (date of birth, death, wife, chhildren, where and when living or ??? and I'll see if I have any possible matches.

Re: Farrar's of Longtown Perry Co, MO

StellaFarrar66 — 2009-09-17 02:35:16Z

Alan I think this family maybe some of the ones I have been researching. Would like any information you can send me.I have a John Farrar but I can't find any parents.\

Thanks

Stella

Edward Farrar

d5maples — 2009-09-16 14:16:37Z

Seeking ancestry of Edward Farrar, born in North Carolina 1803; wife Elizabeth, born North Carolina 1803; daughter Lorinda E. Farrar, born Tennessee 1838. Family lived in Meigs County, Tennessee in 1850. Moved to Fannin County, Texas before 1860.

Re: Hello I am David Farrar UK

farrardna — 2009-09-15 16:28:28Z

It is going to be difficult to trace your ancestry if all you know is your grandparents names, but fortunately England has better record keeping than America.

One of my project members is a Terry Farr, he lives in Surrey, England, and he is a cozen (DNA) tells the story. He has access to parish records, and is very helpful.

Where do you live?
Have you checked parish records for your grandparents, do you know where they died or were born? What siblings they had? Isn't there a birth registry in England?

Email me at "farrardna @yahoo.com"

Remove the space between the name and the at sign, also don't include the ". I inserted the space and the " to foil the bots that crawl the internet for email addresses.

Re: Farrar Farrrow Farrer DNA Project

terryfarr42 — 2009-09-12 18:31:56Z

I am a member of the Farrar dna project and we need male members of the Farrar family in the UK to join.
I am trying to find any info on the Farrar family living in Surrey England between 1600 to 1700
Terry

Re: Hello I am David Farrar UK

larafarrar1 — 2009-09-10 04:51:12Z

I'd like to trace my family tree, but I only know my grandparent's and their decendents names. I'm 38 and I have 6 siblings. How do you do this?

Re: Farrar Farrrow Farrer DNA Project

larafarrar1 — 2009-09-10 04:20:35Z

Sounds interesting...

Geraldine Farrar

michellesbigbash — 2009-09-09 00:40:32Z

Hi. My family records state that Anna Rose Knippel (new Fisher) is an aunt to Geraldine Farrar. Has anyone come across this relationship? Thanks, Susan

Re: Farrar; Keighley, Yorkshire

farrardna — 2009-09-05 20:18:15Z

I understand. I have over 2 gigs of documents and over 4 reams of printed matter, not to mention the research books and material on DNA.

Biggest effort is in organizing stuff so I have a quick reference.

Some of it can do via bookmarks, others via email (because I share not only links but names of links and documents they link to), and there are a couple of documents I can pull up in my wordprocessor which I can word search for links and sources.

But it's a gerry rigged process, and takes time. Fortunately I remember the names of most documents so I can google the links and post them such as Baddesley Clinton, it's manor, its hall, its church and The History of Uttoxeter.

I also have individual Wordperfect files, such as Henry Ferror which has all info I can gather on him and his relatives during that era.

Re: Farrar; Keighley, Yorkshire

Peggie_Conaway — 2009-09-05 19:43:46Z

I am super busy right now but maybe some time in the fall I can look threw my family history for web sites I have 100 pages of history so it will take a while.

Re: Farrar; Keighley, Yorkshire

farrardna — 2009-09-05 18:35:29Z

Peggy I answered you here:
http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.farrar/570.1.1.1.1.2.1.1...

I had to use another account because the program I am using (Opera) was giving me the fits. I'd for about 15 or 20 minutes then the thing would close out and I'd have to start anew.

Re: Farrar; Keighley, Yorkshire

ftskc012 — 2009-09-05 18:01:38Z

Most certainly Ewood manor was rebuilt after it was burnt, Isn't everything? The only structures not rebuilt after destruction were castles, because they were too expensive to rebuild and by that time they had outlived their usefulness (besides being antiquated and lacking of "modern"facilities.

Another castle that had passed into the Farrar family was Tamworth Castle, in Staffordshire, it' halls are festooned with history and herarldry of the Farrars.

If there is any connection to the Farrars that we have it could be traced to Tamworth. But there is no documentation at all of the parentage of Henry Ferror who built Ewood in 1471 and married Agnes (Horsfall as many believe her to be).

The reason I say Tamworth is because it is in county Staffordshire, and so is the town of Uttoxeter, and it is in the town of Uttoxeter that my DNA Y segment alleles were found during the Capelli Census of Y Chromosones in the British Isles. These alleles were also found in ll other places, however all but two or three of them are not Farrar's, because the Farrar version of the R1a1 DNA haplogroup is not Scandanavian (i.e it is not Norwegian or north Coast Norwegian which is the DNA of the Vikings that settled in Orkney, Shetlands, Western Isles, Isle of Man, northern Scotland, Morpeth, and which shares, many of the same markers with the Farrar's. The Farrar version of R1a1 is Danish, Northern German, Swedish and southern Norwegian, as well as Slavic, but we can discount the Slavs unless our ancestors were Sarmatian cavalry that served with the Roman Legions in their occupation of Britain.

Here are two books for you to read, they are pdf downloads but don't bother reading all of them as only parts are pertinent.

First is The History of the Town of Uttoxeter
http://books.google.com/books?id=86ULAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA346&a...
Pages 39 - 57, then page 153, then pages 337 through 343.

Read that then read Baddesley Clinton, it's manor, church, hall, etc
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=18136

In this publication you will only be interested in pages 98 through 124 because it covers the earldoms of Groby, Chartley, Baddesley Clinton and Hambleton as pertains to the Farrar.s

But let me give a recap.

The last earl of Groby was William the 6th Earl he died in 1455.. His eldest son Henry (more of whom below) died in his fathers lifetime, and the earldom of Groby passed to Elizabeth, daughter of Henry and his sole heir, granddaughter of William 6th Earl. Elizabeth married Edwardus de Grey and the earldom of Groby passed to the Grey family (for whom we can thank Grey's Pupon, and Earl Grey Tea).

This Henry Ferrers, oldest son of aforementioned William 6thEarl, married Isabel, dtr and co heir of Thomas Mowbray, duke of Norfolk, and his sole heir was afore mentioned Elizabeth.

(It is this Henry m Isabel Mowbray which you carry as our ancestor as you can see it is quite impossible, as his only issue was a daughter, and the baronage of Groby passed to the Greys).

William 6th Earl of Groby's, second son was Thomas, he married Elizabeth, one of the sisters and coheirs of Sir Baldwin de Grevill, knight, of Tamworth Castle. The issue of this marriage were two sons, Thomas born 1411, who continued the line at Tamworth, and Henry subsequently of Hambleton, county Rutland from whom the Ferrers of Baddesley Clinton are descended.

His third son was John Ferrers, from whom descended the Ferrers of Mercute, now extinct
Dtrs Elizabeth m William Culpepper, Margaret m lord GRey de Wilton, Ann m Nicholas Bowell.

Sir Henry Ferrers , knight of Hambleton, was the second son of Sir Thomas Ferrers, knight of Tamworth Castle, by his wife Elizabeth,daughter and ultimately coheiress of Sir Baldwin Frevile, nt. Sir Henry married Margaret Heckstall (whom your genealogy claims is the father of Henry m Agenes (Horsfall). by whom he had issue Edward his heir, Richard, Margaret and a younger daughter Elizabeth who married James Clarke of Fordhall, County Kint.

(As you can see there is no Henry son of Henry m Margaret Heckstall) Sir Henry of Hambleton was sheriff of Kent he made his will Dec 12, 1499 and it was proved Aug 18, 1500, to Edward the barony of Baddesley Clinton was passed.

I wish you would share with me the English website from whom you gathered your version of our ancestry.

I have learned to be leery of genealogies, either web or in books, as they are all too often flawed, and the persons who constructed them were lazy, lacked information, made connections that did not exist or were motivated by a need to connect dots, close out a story or establish bonafides that would enable them to join "prestigious" organizations or claim "noble" descent.

I wish honestly that we could trace our descent back to Henricus de Ferreriis, son of Gwalklein, but feel lucky to be able to trace it back to Henry m Agnes (Horsfall) who built Ewood Hall in 1471.

I put Horsfall in parenthesis because there is no confirmation, no documentation that I've seen that her name was Horsfall, there is circumstantial evidence in his will, as his will mentions John Horsfall.
In fact he wills everything to his wife Agnes and his daughter Agnes (evidently his sons already had their portion or fortune). He appoints as supervisor of the Will "John Ferror of Elffburghe (Elffburgh or Elfburgh probably a brother), John Horsfall of Stoythlaye, William Ferror and Henry Ferror my sones the supervisors of this, my present will."

The William mentioned must be the William who married Margaret Lacey.

My purpose is to be as accurate and faithful to the few facts that exist as possible, therefore I consider any and all information, except the most verifiable as tentative, even speculative, until proven to be true.

And then I proceeded by exhausting ever route available to verify information that I have gleaned from others, not accepting any one persons genealogy or statements as fact.

I realize there are a lot of people in a hurry to construct a house, regardless of whether it will stand up to high wing or an earthquake, but that is not me.

So everything I publish, all info I gather is considered by me to be tentative, and thus amenable to revision.

It is when people take a firm stance and assert that this or that is true, that problems arise. Especially when a claim to a "noble" ancestor or vaunted heritage is subsequently refuted, there then is great embarassment, anguish and anger..People don't like being exposed as "fools", but the problem is that we are all fools, because we are all human and share the same fatal flaws.. no one is perfect.

Anyway anything and everything I presented is open to inspection,discussion and revision,nothing is set in cement or carved in stone.

If a solid link can be provided to me between Henry Ferror m Agnes (Horsfall) and Henricus des Ferreriis, I will be overjoyed.. but to date I've seen nothing, but attempts by people who need to inflate their poor egos by claiming "noble ancestry".

I am not my parents, and my children are not me.. so nobility is not passed down and as the infamy of my ancestors does not rub off on me, neither do their "nobility".

My family once owned slaves, but I didn't and am not responsible for or to the descendants of the slaves. The sins of the father DON'T pass down, and neither does their glory.

Besides Duke William was a thug, a home invader, a thief and a mass murderer, the Honors of Tutbury followed in the wake of a virtual genocidal campaign in the midlands in which 200,000 to 300,000 Saxon men, women and children were slaughtered or starved to death.. now that is history to be proud of.. very enobling isn't it.

Re: Farrar's of Longtown Perry Co, MO

StellaFarrar66 — 2009-07-19 15:20:33Z

Looking for information on John and Mary(Hopkins)Farrar I think they were related to these Farrars.Hope you can help me.

Farrar from England

terryfarr42 — 2009-07-11 19:31:06Z

My surname is Farr and I can trace my ancestors back to the early 1700's in Surrey England
Due to DNA testing I have found that I am closely related to some Farrar families in the USA.
I am very positive that none of my ancestors ever visited the USA. The Farrar families that I have a DNA match with can trace their ancestor back to William Farrar who landed in Virginia in 1618.
I am assuming that at sometime between c1600 and the early 1700,s the Farrar surname was shortened to Farr.
Any help or information would be appreciated
Terry Farr

Cecily Farrar of Henrico Co Va

oclarke11 — 2009-08-19 00:33:16Z

Seeking parents & siblings for Cecily & her husband Henry Sherman. They were b abt 1630. Have their children as:
Elizabeth b abt 1657 marr Henry Trent III. 23 May 1672. He was the son of Henry Jr. & Mary.
John b abt 1650 ( no info on him )
Any info appreciated.
Ollie

Re: Farrar; Keighley, Yorkshire

farrardna — 2009-08-27 16:28:00Z

Sorry but I don't, however I am interested.

If William Franklin Farrar was the father of Benjamin Thoms Farrar born 1810 in Il, then William Franklin Farrar would have been born before 1790, (I figure) as you say in NC or Va.

If William was born in Va then he was the son of a Farrar whom migrated to North Carolina, and that branch of the family should be able to be traced.

Some (such as mine, Richard Farrar m Elizabeth Sanders) migrated to South Carolina, then Ga then Ala then La , Ar, Tx, as did his cousin Thomas Farrar who migrated to SC then onto MS. Others migrated to TN, then some of their grandchildren migrated south to Alabama and Miss or on to Missouri.

If Wm Franklin migrated from North Carolina to Ill, then he probably followed in the post revolution path blazed by the likes of Dan'l Boone, who himself used the Warrior path used by the Shawnee's as they would raid the Cherokke, on into Kentucky (Actually named after the Canebrakes which so dominated the territory), and then onto Illinois as the land in Kentucky by that time had been taken up by settlers and speculators.

I use history to help me fathom genealogical mysteries.
If you understand the early history of the country (from the view of the common folk, not the elites) then you understand the migration patterns and that helps in unraveling mysteries.

Also there was constant migration,especially in the Farrar's, because the Farrar family were planters, and in those days their custom of planting a single crop would wear out the soil and so every generation (about 20 years) the family would move on. So Wm Franklin Farrar in NC in 1790 then 20 years later in Il makes sense, it also places his parents in Va about 1770. So which part of Virginia would they be living in? Albemarle Co, Luneburg?,Orange?
The family started to trickle out of Goochland and Henrico County around 1760.

My family moved first to Pittsylvania County, probably Halifax before it was carved up in 1766 into Pittsylvania and Halifax but then on into South Carolina,other Farrars moved North and West into Albemarle and Orange even Fauguier Counties.

But there was a line that moved south into Luneburg and Mecklenburg Counties. Mecklenburg sits on the North Carolina border and borders are but political lines drawn on a map, more so in the 18th Century. A lot of Farrar's from Lunenburg and Mecklenburg moved over into North Carolina.. and that is where I would look for your ancestors.. The Farrar's of Mecklenburg or Lunenburg.

In 1790 there was a Henry, two Johns, a Joseph and a William Farrar who were head of house in Caswell Co, NC in 1790 and a John Farrar head of house in Wake Co.

There was also a Peter Farrer in Caswell County.
These were of course heads of household

I would look in Caswell County, for William Franklin's parents. Perhaps even Rockingham. Ancestry.com doesn't have any Farrar's in Rockingham NC in 1790, but in 1964 I scoured the 1790 NC census and found two Farrar's in
Rockingham NC.

I don't trust Ancestry.com's work because I've found a lot of errors and omissions. And they outsourced the transcription to Mumbai India, to people who aren't familiar with America or English as we are.. in fact one transcriber interpreted Ga as Germany.

Another thing that I've learned in researching the family, is that as a general rule certain names carry through certain lines, and a surname or family given name will enter the line through marriage.

Thus the name William, seems to be limited to a few families, and is passed down generation after generation, as is the name John, Joseph, George and Thomas.

In my family William and Thomas are both popular (Given that Col Wm Farrar II had sons Major Wm III and Thomas, and the son of Wm III (Wm IV) married the dtr of Thomas (Sarah Farrar) and indeed the name William Thomas has been passed down consecutively (with only one break) since 1816.

Anyway the name William Franklin Farrar is a hint that possibly his mother's maiden name was Franklin, and

Wake county is in the middle of the state and Caswell County is on the border touching Halifax or Pittsylvania Co

I just checked ancestry for Franklin's in NC and found
three Franklins in Stokes County, which next to Rockingham.

However if Wm Franklin's father was in the Revolution, then as he marched back and forth across the country he could have met his wife.

The revolutionary war battles followed established hiways or migration routes, hence the Battle of Guilford Courthouse and Cowpens were fought along the Fall Line Road which ran from Pittsylvania County into Pendleton County South Carolina. Revolutionary war soldiers in the southern campaign would have marched up and down the fall line road, and after the revolution most likely returned to settle in some spot that they had previously visited, or to marry a gal that they met in their journey.

You might google Fall Line Road and there are a couple of sites that show the route and detail the history of it all.

There is a possibility that your Farrar ancestor was a revolutionary war soldier from Virginia, that settled in North Carolina after 1783, after marching through the country.

Re: Farrar; Keighley, Yorkshire

farrardna — 2009-09-02 15:15:15Z

Hi Peggie: I'm very appreciative of your comments and help and your position. However as a direct DNA descendant of Henry Ferror (there is a 99% probability that he and I share the exact same 67 DNA Y Segments.

I feel obliged to make a correction or two.

First. The progenitor of the line Normandy was Gwalklein,not Enugulf, Enugulf was a greart grandson.

Secondly

15. Baron of Groby William Ferrers b. abt. 25 Apr Groby, Warkickshire, Eng (See Baddesley Clinton, it's manor, church, hall etc..google it, it's in pdf, "With him the barony of Ferrers of Groby terminated in the male line.. since hiseldest son, Sir Henry de Ferrers dying in his father's lifetime.. the barony passed on his death to his grand daughter Elizabeth, who carried it in marriage to the family of Grey". his youngest son, Sir Thomas Ferrers, married Elizabeth, one of the sisters and coheirs of Sir Baldwin de Frevile, knt, of Tamworth Castle. Issue Thomas born 1422, who continued the line at Tamworth, and Henry, subsequently of Hambleton county Rutland, from whom the Ferrers of Baddesly Clinton trace their descent.)

16. Henry Farrar abt. 1393 Ragland Monmouthshire, Eng married Isabel Mobray b. abt. 1400 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England d. abt. 29 Sept. 1452 Berkeley Castle, Berkeley, Gloucestershire, Eng (This is the Henry mentioned above who died in his fathers lifetime whose only heir was his dtr Elizabeth, thus we are not descended from the Ferrers of Groby)

17. Henry Farror b. abt. 18 May 1440 Ewood Hall, Halifax, Yorkshire, Eng Married Margaret Heckstall b. abt. 1442 Chillesome, Warwickshire, Eng (This is actually the grandson of above William de Ferrers with whom the Barony of Groby passed to the Grey family.) He was the son of Thomas Ferrers, youngest son of said William. He is known as Sir Henry Ferrers of Hambleton, county Rutland, was the second son of Sir Thomas Ferrers, knt, of Tamworth Castle, by his wife Ellizabeth, daughter and ultimately coheiress of Sir Baldwin Frevile, knt (whodied October 4,1400) .... Sir Henry married Margaret daughter and co heir of of William Heckstall had issue Edward, his heir, Richard, Margaret and and a younger daughter Elizabeth. There is no son Henry mentioned, yet some claim that #17 Henry Farror, b abt 18 May 1440 is the son of this Henry)

17. Henry Farror b. abt. 18 May 1440 Ewood Hall, Halifax, Yorkshire, Eng

(This is where the lineage starts as regards the Farrar's, there is no documentation as regards the parentage of Henry Ferror who purchased the land and built in 1471 Ewood manor, which by the way was burnt to the ground in 1647 by Royalist forces.)

Re: Farrar; Keighley, Yorkshire

farrardna — 2009-08-28 17:01:24Z

Peggy thank you for your information and patience

I'm wondering how exact that Richard JP Farrar and Eva Knight Farrar were in their research.

Reason I ask is because, unless you are native to England, then you don't know the lay of the land, much less customs and such.

The Ferrers were a large family. A relative named Terry Farr is living in Surrey England and his family has been there since forever.

Any Groby is in Leicesterhire and the Ferrers of Groby were one branch of the Ferrer/Farrar family.

Ewood Manor is in Yorkshire, which is near the location of Tamworth Castle, in Staffordshire (the Farrar's) and Tutbury Castle (again a Farrar holding, at least in 1070), as well as Uttoxeter where our DNA is found.

You might want to compare the various shires at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/

The name Henry was very popular in the various branches of the Ferrer's, and there more branches of Ferrer's than the Ferrers of Groby. I don't see Henry III Baron Groby having a son or grandson who winds up at Ewood Hall in Yorkshire.

You might want to read, the link I sent about the Ferrers of Baddesley Clinton,here it is again The Ferrers of Baddesley Clinton, starts on page 98 through 121, and a genealogical chart on page 119.

The book was written circa 1839, on page 115 and I quote.

William de Ferrers, who was also under age agt his father's death. He was summoned to Parliament from Nov 30 1396, to Dec e 1441. He made hiswillon May 18, 1445, and desired that his body should be buried in the priory of Ulverscroft, and died the day following. With him the barony of Ferrers of Groby termnated in the male line, since - his eldest son, Sir Henry de Ferrers, dying in his fathers lifetime, the barony passed on his death to his grand daguther Elizabeth, who carried it in marriage to the family Grey. By his wife Philippa, daughter of Rober, lord Clifford of Applesby, he had three sons and three daughters.

1. Sir Henry Ferrers, who married Isabel, daughter and coheir of Thomas Mowbray, duke of Norfolk, by whom he had a daugher and sole Heiress Elisaath, married to Sir Edward Grey.

2. Sir Thomas Ferrers, who married Elizabeth of the sisters and co heirs of Sir Baldwin de Frevile, knt, of Tamworth Castle. The issueof this marriage were two sons, Thomas born 1422, who continued the line at Tamworth, and Henry subsequently of Hambleton, Co, from whom the Ferrers of Baddesly Clinton trace their descent.

3. John Ferrers, from whom descended the Ferrers of Mercute, now extince
4. Elizabeth , m to William Culpepper
5. Margare, m to lord Grey de Wilton
5. Anne, m to Nicholad Bowell

Sir Henry Ferrers of Hambleton

Sir Henry Ferrers,knt, of Hambleton, co Rutland was the second son of Sir Thomas Ferrers, knt of Tamworth, Castle, by his wife Elizabeth, daughter and ultimately coheiress of Sir Baldwin Frevile, knot.k (who died October 4, 1490) whose ancestor Alexander de Frevile in 1295 married Joahn, the dgranddaughter and coheir of Philip de Marmion, fifth Baron of Tamworth Catle. Sir Henry married Margaret Heckenstall of East Peckham, co.Kent (and relict of WilliamWittenhall); by whom had issue Edward his heir, Richard, Margaret, and a younger daughter Elizabeth

As you can see, there is an error in the genealogy that you have. As Henry who married Margaret Heckenstall was not Earl of Groby, and had no son Henry only sons Richard and Edward his heir.

And Henry who married Isabel Mowbray, died with only a daughter (Elizabeth) as heir.

The only son of William de Ferrers (d 1445) who had a lineage was Sir Thomas Ferrers who maried Elizaeth de Freville. who had two sons Thomas and Henry of Hambleton.

Thomas continued his line at Tamworth (Staffordshire), Henry of Baddesley Clinton had sons Edward and Richard.

If anything we are descended from Thomas Ferrers son of William de Ferrers 1445.And of that line, there is nothing in the book, as it is about Baddesley Clinton.

William

Re: Farrar; Keighley, Yorkshire

farrardna — 2009-08-28 15:19:43Z

I thank you for the information. It is very helpful.

I especially have been trying to refute and discredit the Farr cult who claim descent from Gwalklein, and you are helping.

It is impossible because DNA is mutually exclusive. The Farrar Y DNA (male line) from Wm Farrar is R1a1, and the Farr DNA is aboriginal British R1b1.

Therefore either he or I are not descendants of Gwalklein.
On the other hand R1a1 DNA is also known as Viking DNA, and Vikings came in three flavors. Norwegian, Danish and Swedish.

The Danish Vikings were descendants of the Swedish Vikings and it was the Danish Vikings under Rollo (Hrolfr) that were settled in Normandy, and from whom Duke Wiliam and Gwalklein were descended (grandparents if I recall correctly).

DNA tells the story, and the story is that our line is descended from those Danish Vikings that settle in Normandy.

The DNA Y Segment of YCAII a and b is 19 and 23, which means that we are not Scandanavian or Vikings from the north coast of Norway. They settled in northern Scotland,
Dublin, Western Isles, Isle of Man, Shetland and Orkney.

I found the book The Farrar's by Richard J P Farrar and Helen Nedham at an English used book site and am inquiring about it so I can order it.

However I can't find The Farrar's of Virginia, England and Normandy.

I would be glad to spend whatever money I need to, to obtain it from William. Could you provide me with his address?

Thank you

Re: Farrar; Keighley, Yorkshire

farrardna — 2009-08-28 14:21:27Z

Hi: I really don't want to argue with you, or dispute you, but sometimes you have to do things to elicit information, and the information you provided is very helpful.

I would love to have the books that you have, however a book is a book, not a bible.

I have a pdf copy of The Memoirs of the Farrar family by
Rev Timothy Farrar and it is in error, and so is some of the Virginia Magazine of History and Biography.

Rev Timothy asserted that Councillor Wm of Va was descended from Nicholas Farrar. This is false as you know. Nicholas was at best a cousin or uncle, and there were two Nicholas,one was of Little Giddings, the other a merchant and officer of the Virginia Company. There was also a John Farrar who was treasurer of the Virginia Company, and John at best was a cousin of our William.

The Virginia Magazine made the same mistake (and others), The first vol was published back in 1893, and it's information was faulty, not well researched in England and heavily influenced by those families who founded the First Families of Va and HAD to prove something.

There is a discrepancy today between the Va Magazine of History and Bio and modern genealogies as regards the husband of Judith Jefferson aunt of Thomas Jefferson Pres.

The Virginia Magazine says it was Wm Farrar and presents an almost irrefutable argument, yet modern genealogies claim that it was Wm's son George who married Judith Jefferson.

Sowe have another point of contention.

A few months back I presented my pedigree (or what I thought was my pedigree) to a Tim Farr who is coordinator of the Farr DNA project, who claims that he is descended from Gwalklein and uses etymology to make his case, his theory and "documentation"goes off into the wild blue yonder, but he has a large following and is publishing. He also is a Mormon and has access to the Family History Library in Salt Lake.

Anyway he refuted my genealogy

As follows:

William Ferrar, barrister, of Ewood Yorkshire, 1593 m Sisley Bayley Jordan (maiden name Unk)
John Ferrar, 1550 - 1627 m Cecily Kelke
William Ferrar 1520-1573 m Margaret Lace
Henry Ferrers d 1549 m Agnes Bancroft
Henry Ferrers no spouse listed yet
Henry III (Younger of Groby) des Ferrers 1394 - 1460 m Isabel (Lady) De Mowbray
William VIII (Lord) des Ferrers m Phillipa de Clifford (he also married Elizabeth STandish and Margaret Montacute).
Henry 4th Lord of Groby m Joan de Hoo
William 3rd Baron de Groby de Ferrers m Margaret de Ufford
Henry 2d Lord of Groby de Ferrers m Isabella de Verdun
William de Ferrers m Margaret de Seagrave
William III, 5th Earl of Derby des Ferreries m Margaret de Quincy
William II de Ferreries m Agnes (de Keveliock) des Meschines
William (Gwalklein) des Ferrieres 1136-1191 m Sibyl de Braose
Robert II de Ferreries m Margaret de Peverel
Robert de Ferreries 1063-1139 m Hawise de Vitre
Henri (Sire) des Ferreries St Hillaire et Chambrai m Bertha (Berda) Roberts
Gwalklein des Ferreries St Hilliare 1010-1089 m Emme de Normandie

With the following:

On your pedigree below I can't find any sources that indicate that Henry III and Isabel had a son Henry. The male line was supposed to have died out at that point and the barony went to the Grey family through the marriage of Henry's daughter Elizabeth to Edward Grey??? How could the line continue through a son Henry if Elizabeth was the only heiress?

Go to the following link and the Ferrer pedigree of Groby and your connection would be around page 114--116. All other sources I've checked say the same thing that Henry and Isabel had a daughter to pass the barony to but no son? Do you have a source for this connection?

http://books.google.com/books?id=5wqDGpPvoBQC&pg=PA122&a...

BTW I've been doing research since 1964 when I started in the genealogical section of the San Antonio Library.

Much of earlier researchers based their work on old (19th Century early 20th Century books which I previously linked to) and made false assumptions.

I would be thrilled with proof, documentation, that we are descendants of Henry III (the younger)des Ferrers b. 16 Feb 1349, however the male line of Henry III and Isabel de Mowbray The male line was supposed to have died out at that point and the barony went to the Grey family through the marriage of Henry's daughter Elizabeth to Edward Grey??? as per the above sources.
How could the line continue through a son Henry if Elizabeth was the only heiress?

Do me a favor if you would. It would help clarify the issue, and provide me the ammunition I need to dispute the claim that Henry III died without a male heir, only a dtr
Elizabeth. Which incidentally was laid at my feet to discredit my position that I was descended from Henry Ferrers son of Henry III 1394 and Isabel de Mowbray..

I need ammunition to refute the negation of my assertion, and yours is the first that I have encountered.

So if you would could you please provide me the names of the spouses or any other detail associated with the following

16. Henry Farrar b. abt. 1393 Ragland Monmouthshire, Eng
17. Henry Farror b. abt. 18 May 1440 Ewood Hall, Halifax, Yorkshire, Eng
18. Henrie Farrar b. abt. 1463 Ewood Hall Halifax, Yorkshire, Eng
19. Henrie Ferror Jr. b. abt. 1494 Ewood Hall Halifax, Yorkshire, Eng

Thank you.

In case my request got lost in the verbage. I would appreciate the names ofthe spouses of the above Ferrers.

William Farrar

Re: Farrar; Keighley, Yorkshire

farrardna — 2009-08-28 01:27:54Z

This link is where the myth that the Farrars of Va are descended from the Ferrers of Groby. The Family of Ferrers starts on page 98.

http://books.google.com/books?id=5wqDGpPvoBQC&dq=%22the+...

I wish it were so, it would be so neat and nice, but unfortunately no one, and I mean no one has come up with any evidence, any documentation that connects Henry of Ewood Manor 1471 with the Ferrers of Groby(or any other Farrar manoral home). The Henry Ferror great grandfather of our William Farrar was a wealthy merchant, who owned property in Yorkshire, and his sons apparently acquired by marriage and purchase property in adjoining shires such as Staffordshire, Derbyshire, Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire and of course Yorkshire.

An interesting thing popped out as I was studying the Capelli Census of Y chromosones in the British Isles.

My DNA (R1a1 which is commonly called Viking DNA or Kurgan DNA for it's origins in the steppes of Russia the people known as Scythians),was found in about seven locations in the British Isles, most of them are places that Norwegian Vikings settled like the Orkney, but my DNA is not Norwegian, it is Danish/Swedish (that's based on an analysis of the markers YCAIIa and b).

Long story short it was found in only one place in that part of England (north central) Uttoxeter in Staffordshire.
Staffordshire is where Tamworth Castle was found (since 1974 now in Warwickshire)

Uttoxeter was for the first 150 years the seat of the Ferrers, bestowed on the family by Duke William at the Honors of Tutbury (another seat of the Ferrers by the way), and lost by Robert de Ferrers, son of William, the last Earl of Derby to whom Uttoxeter belonged. On attaining the age of 21 he openly sided against the King (Henry) on the side of his wife. A large army was sent against him under the King's eldest son Edward and the castle of Tutbury was demolished. He was thrown into prison (subsequently pardoned by the new king) and his lands were given to Edmond, Earl of Lancaster son of Henry III by two grants in June and August 1266.

There is, alas no evidence that this is our line, and the only evidence is circumstantial which is that my DNA Y Segments were found in a sample of the population of Uttoxeter.

By the way, if we are descendants of Gwalklein as many believe, then Gwalklein was not of Norwegian ancestry, but of Danish Ancestry. My DNA Y segments for YCAIIa and b are 19 and 23, which is not Norwegian Viking, 19 and 21 in the R1a1 haplogroup are Norwegian Vikings.

Due to the DNA connection, I'm more inclined to locating us in this line of Ferrer's. Lacking documentation I'm left with science and history, and Uttoxeter is located in Staffordshire as is Tamworth Castle and Tutsbury.

So there is evidence then that William Farrar was descended from this line, but to claim that we are descended from the Earls of Groby is a stretch too far.

There is a Farr DNA projec, whose haplogroup is aboriginal British (R1b1) who claims that they are descended from Gwalklein (which is preposterous because l. R1b1 his strain, is aboriginal British. 2. DNA is mutually exclusive Gwalklein can't have been R1b1 and R1a1 impossible, but he and his cult have built up a fantastic argument using etymology (which is not science or even genealogical) to prove his case.. His earliest known ancestor was a Stephen Farr who stepped off the boat circa 1650 in Massachusetts.

On the other hand a cousin of the Farrar's is also a Farr from Surrey England he is R1a1 and matches me and another Farrar 34/37 with a 99.35% probability of sharing a common ancestor 24 generations (480 years ago) which takes us back to about 1500 or earlier.

The ancestry of Duke William is still argued. The written record is that he was Rollo (Hrolfr) son of a Danish warlord.

Others claim that he was Norwegian (because the region that was given to Rollo was named Normanddia, or land of the north men.

Here's a link to the History of the Town of Exeter, the pages 39 through 57 and 153 and 337 thru 343 will be of interest to you

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&...

Re: Farrar; Keighley, Yorkshire

farrardna — 2009-08-28 00:25:26Z

Interesting. Certainly a lot of information to study, and I will study it.

There are tons of William Farrar's in the family, so when I see the son of Peter as being William, and then subsequently declared to be William Franklin Farrar, on the basis of a marriage record (could be any other Farrar family descendant) I have to ask questions.

Anyway, very interesting except this part

(16.) 5th Baron of Groby William Ferrers b. 25 Apr. *1372, (15.) 4th Baron of Groby Henry Ferrers b. 16 Feb *1349, (14.) 3rd Baron of Groby William Ferrers b. *1333, (13.) 2nd Baron of Groby Henry Ferrars b. * 1303,

It is not intellectually honest to declare that the line of Councillor William includes the above (or even for that matter Gwalkelein and his son Henricus) since the only provable ancestry that the lineage has is to Henry Ferror of
Ewood Manor 1471 (See Alvanh Holmes work The Farrar Island Family and It's English Ancestry) She explored the English line in depth and could not prove any ancestry beyond Henry 1471.

That has not stopped too many from creating lineages, and inserting Henry, perhaps undeservedly, into other lineages such as the Farrar's of Groby, actually extracted from a book on Baddesley Clinton.

The Ferrer's of Groby were not the only Ferrer's (Farrer's, Farrar's, Ferror's) in England. Henrie was awarded 250 fiefdoms at the Honors of Tutbury and the family multiplied, some into ignobility and obscurity, others into wealth and were scattered over the shires in which the fiefdoms lay.

Fact is that we don't know the ancestry of Henry Ferror of Ewood Manor, Midgleyville, Halifax, West Riding, Yorkshire.

And it is intellectual dishonest to assert otherwise with pedigree's that are fraudulent at worst and wishful thinking at best.

Calling a rose a daisy, does not make the rose a daisy, no matter how often and how loud one repeats the litany.

Re: Farrar; Keighley, Yorkshire

farrardna — 2009-08-27 21:58:15Z

For what it is worth, if it is worth anything.

My Y DNA is the same as Councillor William Farrar, 1618 Va,
unless there was a mutation between him and his grandson Maj William Farrar III, my 8th grandfather.

I share the exact same DNA with another descendant of Maj William Farrar.

You can check us out at http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/farrar/results kit #147177 and 154618

This is the Farrar Island haplogroup modal.

Then you can check our pedigrees at
http://www.worldfamilies.net/forum?topic=4211

There are other Farrar's who are also descendants, but YDNA has the property of erratic and substantial mutation, thus a father could be 35/37 or even 34/37 with his own son, and more closely related (DNA) wise with a distant cousin, which is the case between myself William Farrar and J Farrar 154618.

Re: Farrar; Keighley, Yorkshire

farrardna — 2009-08-27 21:20:29Z

I'm also a descendant of Councilor William 1618 and Cecily, but let me tell you that the genealogy that you quote between him and Gwalklein is unproven.

The only documented ancestors our line has in England is in Alvanh Holmes Book, The Farrar Island Family and It's English ancestry and it stops with Henry Ferror of Ewood, Midgleyville, Halifax Parish, West Riding, Yorkshire 1471.
That's as far as it goes, anything back beyond that is conjecture.

I wish it wasn't so, but I have to stay with the facts and the provable, not the wishful thinking.

In any event I'd be surprised if our line of Farrar's had anthing to do with Groby or Baddesly Clinton.

Anyway your No 26. Peter Farrar married 1st Trephanah LaForce (said Peter was born in Goochland Co, Va) had one son Thomas and 2nd (it is believed) Martha Parker, with whom he had issue: John, Abraham, William, Thomas, Jane Spencer, Mary, Nancy and Edward Farrer per his will executed in 1800.

So William Franklin was the son of Peter. Would you have the name of William Franklin Farrar's wife's name? Was it perchance Franklin?

Incidentally ancestry.com does not have any Farrar's or Franklins in Caswell Co NC in 1790, 1800 or 1810.

On the other hand Caswell County buts up against Pittsylvania, Halifax county, through which the Fall Line road cuts. Very possible that the Caswell Farrar's, left NC before 1790 and followed Daniel Boone into Kentucky.

There was a Thomas Farrar who died at the famous battle of the Blue Salt Licks, where Daniel Boone lost a son where his son Israel was killed. And John Farrar who married Elizabeth Trabue, sister of Col Daniel Trabue, was the attorney for the Indians at the Treaty of Watauga, where a wiley old indian chief sold the white eyes something that he didn't own, much less territory in which the Cherokee did not live..

Kentucky was no mans land, the Cherokee lived in Ga and North Carolina, the Shawnee their perpetual enemy lived north in Ohio and Indiana, Kentucky was a hunting ground, a no mans land in which no tribes lived, and through it ran warrior path the Shawnee traveled when they went on their semi annual raids against the Cherokee.

So it's entirely possible that other Farrar's followed Daniel Boone into Kentucky and from there into Illinois.

Re: William Farrar ca 1627 Va

farrardna — 2009-08-26 03:04:33Z

Col William Farrar II wife was a relict (Widow) Mary nee Piggott, widow Williams. He had sons William IV, Thomas, Joseph, George, maybe John (working from memory here).

Thomas and Mary Lygon had only one child, Thomas Jr. Thomas and Katherine Perrin (Richard Perrin and Katherine Banks) had many children one of which was Sarah Farrar who married her cousin William IV, son of William III.

My name is William and I'm the Farrar DNA project administrator at www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/farrar/results and I'm also a descendant of Henry Ferror of Ewood by way of his great grandson Councilor William Farrer of
Farrar's Island, Va 1618.

I have much information on various lines of the family, that are not in Alvanh Holmes Books.

If you know any male Farrar's please invite them to join the project at the above website.

Re: William Farrar ca 1627 Va

farrardna — 2009-08-26 02:59:15Z

Col William Farrar II married Mary Piggott widow Williams, his son Maj William III, my 9th great grandfather married Priscialla Baugh. Their son William IV married Sarah Farrar dtr of William III's brother Thomas and his second wife Katherine Perrin.

Hi; My name is William and I'm the Farrar DNA project administrator at www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/farrar/results and I'm also a descendant of Henry Ferror of Ewood by way of his great grandson Councilor William Farrer of
Farrar's Island, Va 1618.

I have much information on various lines of the family, that are not in Alvanh Holmes Books.

Re: William Farrar ca 1627 Va

farrardna — 2009-08-26 02:55:54Z

Hi; My name is William and I'm the Farrar DNA project administrator at www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/farrar/results and I'm also a descendant of Henry Ferror of Ewood by way of his great grandson Councilor William Farrer of
Farrar's Island, Va 1618.

I have much information on various lines of the family, that are not in Alvanh Holmes Books.

Col William Farrar II, had but one wife to the best of my knowledge and that was Mary Piggott widow Williams

His son Maj William III (my 9th grandfather) married Priscilla Baugh

Nicholas Farrar never migrated to America, and if William was kin it was as an uncle or cousin..that relationship has never been established for sure., But Nicholas was not the start of the Farrar line in "America that was Councillor William of Farrar's Island, 1618, James River, Va and in the north George Farrar also of Ewood Manor about 1645.

I know of no Nicholas Farrar who was a Burgess 1662, 1663 and 1666 dying 1678, and would appreciate any reference to said Nicholas. In any event he can't be the same Nicholas involved with the Virginia Company as he would have been well over 100 years of age when he died.

Re: Hello I am David Farrar UK

farrardna — 2009-08-26 02:38:10Z

Re: Farrar; Keighley, Yorkshire

farrardna — 2009-08-26 02:17:55Z

Re: Hello I am David Farrar UK

farrardna — 2009-08-26 02:14:04Z

FARRAR D R 1910-1959

t42RoseHill — 2009-06-10 13:37:28Z

FARRAR D R 1910-1959

I photographed this gravestone in the (Shannon) Rose Hill Cemetery, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 204,210 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com .

If you know more about this person please reply here,instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family.

Farrar Farrrow Farrer DNA Project

ftskc012 — 2009-09-01 22:46:43Z

I invite anyone with a heritage that is Farrar, Farrow, Farrer or any variation to join the project, but we need male Y DNA to establish a recent common ancestor.. We already have a decent sampling, including two members who share the same ancestor (William Farrar III of Va, 1657)and most certainly have the same DNA as Councillor William of Farrar's Island, 1618.

Look us over and join at http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/farrar/results
then check out the pedigree link.

Marianne 'Shirley' Farrar

JIWelsch — 2009-06-22 12:01:03Z

MUSCATINE, Iowa - Marianne 'Shirley' Farrar, 76, Muscatine, passed away Thursday, May 28, 2009, at her home in Muscatine.

Service at the Geo. M. Wittich-Lewis Home for Funeral and Cremation Services. Reverend Jerry Phillips of Bloomington-Friends Church will officiate. Casketbearers will be Eric Townsend, Shane Townsend, Joshua Townsend, Seth Shoemaker, Chad Shoemaker and Parnell 'P.J.' Davis. Burial will be at Muscatine Memorial Park Cemetery.

She was born on February 27, 1933, Iowa City, the daughter of Samuel C. and Minnie Hathaway Snyder. She married Delwyn Evans in 1970. Following his passing in 1991, she married Robert Farrar on October 28, 1994, in Muscatine, Iowa.

She worked for Schmarje as a tool and die operator, then worked for the HON Co., from where she retired after 26-years.

She was a member of the Women of the Moose for 35-years and also the Bloomington Friends Church. She enjoyed traveling with her husband on the AMTRAK, going to the casinos and most of all spending time with her grandkids and great-grandkids.

She will be deeply missed by her husband, Robert Farrar of Muscatine; two step-children, Darrin Farrar and wife, Cherie, of Des Moines and Dena Farrar of Alabama; three children, Sandi Maylone and husband, Fred, of Fruitland, Randy Curry of Muscatine and Tammy Fisher and husband, Larry, of Memphis, Tennessee; six grandchildren, Eric Townsend and wife, Barb, Shane Townsend and wife, Candi, Joshua Townsend and wife, Carine, Candance Schluer, Seth Shoemaker and Chad Shoemaker; three step-grandchildren, Logan, Colton and Reese Farrar; eight great-grandchildren, Betsy McDonald, Reagan and Ryan Townsend, Cole Townsend, Rayann Snyder, Drake and Drea Townsend and Kyle Schluer; five brothers, Larry Snyder of Blue Grass, Gary Snyder of Fruitland, Bob Snyder of Des Moines, John Snyder of Muscatine and Walter Snyder of Macon, Missouri; five sisters, Sharon Hunt of Muscatine, Janet Mairet of Keosauqua, Mary Bragg of Muscatine, Gayle Snyder of Mount Pleasant, and Kathy Snyder of Macon, Missouri.

She was preceded in death by her parents; her first husband, Delwyn Evans in 1991; three brothers, Richard, Melvin and Donald and a sister, Margaret Snyder.

Irma P. Farrar

JIWelsch — 2009-06-22 12:00:03Z

NORWICH, Kan. -- Irma P. Farrar, 80, died Jan. 1, 2001, at the Norwich Care Center.

Service at the Norwich United Methodist Church. The Rev. Mike McGovney will officiate. Burial will be at Upchurch Cemetery.

Visitation at the Livingston Funeral Home in Kingman, Kan. Memorials may be made to the LeTourneau University in care of Livingston Funeral Home.

Mrs. Farrar was born Oct. 10, 1920, in Marion County, Kan., the daughter of Edward and Anna Ehrlich Popp. She married Paul B. Farrar on June 30, 1950, in Marion, Kan. He died Aug. 8, 2000.

She lived in Norwich since 1950, and was a homemaker. She was a member of the United Methodist Church, Norwich.

Survivors include three sons, Kenneth Farrar Muscatine, Raymond Farrar of Chatsworth, Calif. and Clark Farrar of Norwich; a brother, Ralph Popp of Marion; and five grandchildren.

Farrar from Virginia to Washington Cnty., PA

pghsteelers1 — 2009-09-01 23:14:26Z

I am trying to connect James Farrar (1720-1805) from Washington County, PA to any Farrar in Virginia. Or better, Nicholas Farrar (1546-1620) from Little Gidding England.

Re: Farrar; Keighley, Yorkshire

Peggie_Conaway — 2009-08-29 00:27:47Z

oops mine is ericj@triton.net

Re: Farrar; Keighley, Yorkshire

Peggie_Conaway — 2009-08-29 00:27:05Z

Send me an e-mail and I will e-mail his address to you.

Peggie

Re: Farrar; Keighley, Yorkshire

Peggie_Conaway — 2009-08-28 12:45:36Z

I know that William Franklin Farrar my g-g-g-grand father was a son to Peter Farrar in VA. Thank you Peggie

Re: Farrar; Keighley, Yorkshire

Peggie_Conaway — 2009-08-28 12:42:39Z

Your opinion and your comments are welcome. But I keep to my history knowing that some things are based on family history. I have been doing research on this line since the 70's. My Aunt who died in her mid 90's (she has been gone since the 1990's) kept our history in papers, tapes and verbal to me and other family members. My g-g-grandmother (she was born in 1815) told her from family stories that our family came from Normandy France, to England to America.

I have a book written by Richard J.P. Farrar & Helen J.H. Nedham that I bought from them. They live in England and that is also their branch. Their line went to British Guiana, ours to America. Their research have the Farrar line in Yorkshire where they made connections.

Also I have a soft cover book The Farrars of Virginia, England and Normandy written by Eva Farrar Knight in June 1965, which was given to me by her nephew William (who did rearch in England and here for the book, also his siblings helped) In their she states Relating to the family whose ancestor was Walkelin de Ferrieres, a Baron of Normandy; whose son Henry came to England with William the Conqueror; and including the martyred Bishop, Robert Ferrar; the London merchant, Nicholas Ferrar, who later founded Little Giddings; and the Farrars of Great Amwell, from whom descended William Farrar, who came to Virginia in 1618 in the ship Neptune and was given a grant on the Appomattox River. From this family descended all the Farrrs of Virginia. She has many sources some being
1. Ecclesiastical Biography,
2. Virginia Magazine of History and Bio issue Oct. 1942, Oct. 1940, July 1937, & July 1949,
3. Nicholas Ferrar, His Household and His Friends, by Rev. T. T. Carter, M.C., Hon Cannon of Christchurch, Oxford.

I have other sources. Thank you for your opinion but I will stick to my. I also did three years of rearch off the English web site.

Peggie

Re: Farrar; Keighley, Yorkshire

Peggie_Conaway — 2009-08-28 14:52:50Z

16. Henry Farrar b. abt. 1393 Ragland Monmouthshire, Eng married Isabel Mobray b. abt. 1400 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England d. abt. 29 Sept. 1452 Berkeley Castle, Berkeley, Gloucestershire, Eng

17. Henry Farror b. abt. 18 May 1440 Ewood Hall, Halifax, Yorkshire, Eng Married Margaret Heckstall b. abt. 1442 Chillesome, Warwickshire, Eng

18. Henrie Farrar b. abt. 1463 Ewood Hall Halifax, Yorkshire, Eng wife unknown as I am sure you know

19. Henrie Ferror Jr. b. abt. 1494 Ewood Hall Halifax, Yorkshire, Eng married abt. 1513 Agnes Horsefall (spelled several ways) Barcroft (also spelled several ways)Halifax, Parrish Yorkshire , England

Their is a copy of The Farrars of Virginia/The Farrars of Virginia, England and Normandy VA Library. I got it because I tried to get it on loan and could not for whatever reason so I left a message on the boards and William contacted me. Very nice gentlemen. The other I got the same way from message boards in England and she contacted me as she had them for sale she has since moved have it some where but I am sure you can get it the same way.

I have other sources but have company here for several days. And don't have the time to look them up. But if you go on the web site of England their are lots of sources England has excellent records and sources, some are not cheap. Good Luck in your quest.

My history is just that mine. Thank you for your interest.

Peggie

Re: Farrar; Keighley, Yorkshire

Peggie_Conaway — 2009-08-27 18:48:13Z

Thank you I have all the info on the Farrar/DeFerrieries I need. BUT I can not find info on my g-grandfather William Franklin as he disappeared. I know my g-g-grandmother Catherine divorceed him as she remarried three times after him. So he is my brick wall.

Peter was my g-g-g-grandfather.

This is my line.
1. Engenulf de Ferrieries b. abt. 0950 in Normandy France
2. Henrey de Ferrieries b. about 0980 Normandy France
3. Walckenlin (William) de Ferrieries b. abt. 1010 Tutbury Staffordshire, England
4. Lord of Ferries Henry Ferrier b. abt. 1036 Ferrie, Gastenios, Normandy France
5. Earl of Derby Robert de. Ferrers b. abt. 1062 Derbyshire, England
6. Earl of Derby William de Ferrers b. abt. 1140 of, Oakham, Rutlandshire, Eng
7. Earl of Derby William Ferrers. b. abt. 1162 Derby, Derbyshire, ENg
8. Earl of Derby William Ferrers b. abt. 1193 Ferrers, Derby Derbyshire, Eng
9. Earl of Derby Robert de Ferrers b. abt. 1239 Derby, Derbyshire, Eng
10. Sir John de Ferrers b. abt. 1270 Eng
11. William Ferrars b. abt 1290
12. Daron of Groby Henry Ferrars. b. abt 1303 Groby, Leicestershire, Eng
13. Daron Of Groby William Ferrar b. abt 8 Jan. 1333 Groby, Leicestershire, Eng
14. Baron of Groby Henry Ferrers, abt. abt. 1349 Tiltey, Abbey, Tiltey, Dunmon, Essex
15. Baron of Groby William Ferrers b. abt. 25 Apr Groby, Warkickshire, Eng
16. Henry Farrar b. abt. 1393 Ragland Monmouthshire, Eng
17. Henry Farror b. abt. 18 May 1440 Ewood Hall, Halifax, Yorkshire, Eng
18. Henrie Farrar b. abt. 1463 Ewood Hall Halifax, Yorkshire, Eng
19. Henrie Ferror Jr. b. abt. 1494 Ewood Hall Halifax, Yorkshire, Eng
20. William Ferror b. abt. 1522 Ewood Hall, Halifax, Yourkshire, Eng
21. John Farrar b. abt. 2 Dec 1550 Ewood Hall, Halifax, Yorkshire, Eng
22. William Farrar b. abt. 25 Apr. 1538 Ewood Hall, Halifax, Yorkshire, Eng (Came to American started our families)
23. Col. William Farrar b. abt. 1626 Farrar Island, Henrico Co, VA
24. Thomas Farrar b. abt. 1665 Farrar Island, Henrico Co, VA.
25. John Farrar b. abt. 1689 Albemarle Co, VA
26. Peter Farrar b. abt. 1736 not sure if he was b. in NC or VA
27. William Franklin Farrar b. abt. 1781 Caswell Co, NC
28. Benjamin Thomas Farrar b. abt. 1810-1814 b. in Macoupan, CO IL
29. James Argro Alexander Artromy Farrar b. 18 May 1839 IL
30. Herman Forest Farrar b. 18 AUg, 1878 Waupaca, WI
31 Phyllis Mary Farrar Albert Conaway b. 20 Apr. 1928 in Breed, WI
32. Peggie (Margaret) Albert Conaway Klute b. 17 Nov. 1946
33. Kris Klute b. 23 June 1967 & David Klute b. 6 Oct. 1971

Re: Farrar; Keighley, Yorkshire

Peggie_Conaway — 2009-08-27 23:10:39Z

Peter threw William.

#5 Peter Farrar b. *1736 (25.) John Farrar b. *1689, (24.) Colonel William Farrar b. *1626, (23.) William Farrar b. *1583, (22.) John Ferror b. *1550, (21.) William Ferror b. *1522, (20.) Henry Farror Sr. b. *1480, (19.) Henrie Farrar b. abt. *1463, (18.) Henry Farror b. 18 May *1440, (17.) Henry Farrar b. *1393, (16.) 5th Baron of Groby William Ferrers b. 25 Apr. *1372, (15.) 4th Baron of Groby Henry Ferrers b. 16 Feb *1349, (14.) 3rd Baron of Groby William Ferrers b. *1333, (13.) 2nd Baron of Groby Henry Ferrars b. * 1303, (12.) William Ferrars b. *1290, (11.) Sir John de Ferrer b. *1270, (10.) Sir Robert de Ferrer b. *1239, (9.) 5th Earl of Derby William Ferrers b. 1193, (8.) 4th Eal of Derby William de Ferrers b. *1162, (7.) 3rd Earl of Derby William de Ferrers b. *1140, (6.) 2nd Earl of Derby Robert de Ferrers b. *1090, (5.) 1st Earl of Derby Robert de Ferrers b. *1062, (4.) Lord of Ferries Henry Ferries b. *1036, (3.) Walkeline (William) deFerrieries b. *1010, (2.) Henry de Ferrieries b. abt. *0980, (1.) Engenulf de Gerrieries b. *0950,
Married 1st Trephana LaForce 10 Apr. 1766 in Goochland Co., VA., b. *1745, married 2nd Martha Parker 16 Nov. 1793 in Caswell Co., Person, N.C., b. *1773.
The names William, Sarah Joblin and Jane Spencer in the 28th & 29th lines of the 2nd page eras’d before Assigned

Signed Sealed Acknowledged and published in Presence of us
William Edwards
John Edwards
William Moore

I, Peter Farrar, do annex the following codicil (?) to my above will, and ordain that it shall be a part of my Will.

Item My Will is that all my Negroes remain on the plantation until the ensuing crop is hom’d and secured and then as much of the crop to be sold as will discharge my just debts, and the balance to be Equally divided between my sons John, Abraham, William & Thomas, and my Daughters Mary and Nancey and my wife Martha; to them and their heirs for ever – In witness whereof I do here unto set my hand and seal this fourth day of April one Thousand eight hundred and two—

Signed Seal’d and Acknowledged in presence of us
William Edwards
John Edwards
William Moore

Chatham County May 1802
Proved in open Court by the oath of
William Edwards, a subscribing witness

Clerk Recorded in Book A
Page 67

Peter Farrar’s Will
In the Name of God Amen. I, Peter Farrar of the County of Chatham in North Carolina, being infirm in body, but of sound mind and memory thanks be to you for the same, therefore calling to mind the Mortality of body and knowing that it is appointed for all men once to die, do make and ordain this to be my last will and Testament in manner and form following : First and principally, I recommend my immortal soul into the hands of Almighty God that gave it, hoping through the Merits of my dear Redemer (sic) to inherit life eternal, and as to my worldly Estate wherewith it hath been pleas’d God to bless me, I order and dispose of it in the following manner. First my Will is that all my just debts be regularly (sic) discharg’d.
Item: I lend to my Beloved Wife Martha, on Negroe Boy named Jack, also on Feather Bed and furniture, one Cow and Calf, on Chest, on Iron pot and frying pan, two Pewter plates and two earthen plates, two knives and forks, one Mare Call’d Phoenix, one small pewter Basin (sic), on Bowl, two Tea cups and sa (symbol for double s) ers? (saucers?), one pitcher, on Pewter dish, three spoons, one plow and plow hoe, one hilling hoe, one Butter pot, on Cask, two Chairs, one side saddle and two Jugs, during the term of her natural life, and her death, my will is that the Negroe Jack be Sold by my Executors and the Money to be equally divided between my surviving Legatees or their legal representatives.
Item: I give to my Beloved son John Farrar one Negroe Woman named Mol, and one Negroe Boy Named Anderson, to him, his heirs and assigns for ever.

Item: I give to my son Abraham Farrar one Negroe Woman named Agge, and one Negroe Boy Named George, to him, his heirs and assigns for ever.
Item: I give to my son William Farrar one Negroe Woman named Hannah, to him, his heirs and assigns for ever.
Item: I give to my son Thomas Farrar on Negroe Man named Peter, and one Negroe Girl Named Sall, to him, his heirs and assigns for ever.
Item: I give to my Grand daughter Nancey Joblin one Negroe Boy Named Ned, to her, he heirs and assigns for ever.
Item: I give to my daughter Sarah Joblin five Shillings to her, her heirs and assigns for ever.
Item: I give to my Daughter Jane Spencer one Negroe Boy Named Jerry, to her, her heirs and assigns for ever.
Item: I give to my Daughter Mary Farrar one Negroe Boy named Jim, and one Negroe Girl named Pat, to her, her heirs and assigns for ever.
Item: I give to my Daughter Nancy Farrar one Negroe Boy named Ben, and one Negroe Girl named Candance, and like wise the Colt that my Mare Poll is now big with, to her, her heirs and assigns for ever.
Item: I give to my Daughter Mary Farrar one Horse cold called Dolphin, to her, her heirs and assigns for ever.
Item: I give to my son Edward Farrar one Negroe Boy named Charles, and one Negroe Girl named Nancy, to him , his heirs and assigns for ever.
Item: I give to my Beloved Wife Martha on Sow and Pigs, to her, her heirs and assigns for ever.
Item: I leave all my household furniture not already devis’d, and all my stock not above mentioned, to equally divided between my Sons John Farrar, Abraham, William, Thomas, and my Daughters, Sarah Joblin, Jane Spencer, Polley Farrar, and Nancey Farrar, to be theirs, their heirs and assigns forever. My Will is that my Negroe Woman Nan shall have the likes? To live with whichever of my children she may think most agreeable to.
Item: I give to my Wife Martha a parcel of Land lying n the upper (sic) corner of the tract whereon I now live, Beginning (sic) where the Big branch crosses the upper line, running (sic) down the same opposite the Wheat House, Thence a direct line to the back line to be hers, her heirs and assigns for ever.
Item: All the residence and remainder of my land I leave to be equally divided between my four sons John, Abraham, William, & Thomas, to be divided into four equal divisions by my Executors herein after nam’d, and then to be drawn for by my four sons above mentioned, and the lot that falls to each one, shall be his, his heirs and assigns for ever.
Item: All the residence and remainder of my Estate of whatsoever-------or quality it may consist of, I leave to be equally divided between my wife Martha, and the who(le) of my children above mentioned to be theirs, their heirs and assigns for ever.
Lastly, I constitute and appoint my Beloved Son John Farrar, and my friend Thomas Snipes Sole Executors, of this my last Will and Testament. In Witness whereof I do here unto Set my hand and Affic my Seal, this fourth day of April on thousand eight hundred and two.

** Note this will was given to me by from Rob Ayers of MA. who gave me a copy of the book he purchased on “Early Spencers of Virginia” by Henry W. Rigby
#5 Children of Peter & Trephana
Generation Twenty Seven:
1. John Farrar* b. *1769 Green Co., TN.
2. Abraham Farrar* b. *1770 N.C. *
3. Thomas Farrar b. *1772 Chatham Co., N.C.
4. Sarah Farrar* b. *1774 N.C., m. Benjamin Joblin
5. Jane Farrar b. * *1776 Person, Co., N.C., m. Thomas Spencer
6. Nancey Farrar* b. *1777 N.C.
7. Polley Farrar* b. *1779 N.C.
8. Mary Farrar* b. *1780 N.C.
9. William Franklin Farrar* b. June 1781 Caswell Co., N.C. d. 7 Nov. 1841 Cahokia Twp., IL.
( Taken off North Carolina, Womack Marriage Bonds 1786-1886, posted by Roger Womack. www.womacknet.net/marriages.nocarolina.htm
Bride: Martha Parker Groom: Peter Farrar Bond Date: 16 Nov. 1793 County: Person Record #: 01 056 Bondsman: Abraham Brown Witness: J.Womack Bond #: 000107507)
Children of Peter & Martha
Generation Twenty Seven:
1. ** Edward Farrar
* Children listed in Peter’s will
** May have been child of Martha’s when they got married.

#5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-16
William Franklin Farrar. b. 1781, (26.) Peter Farrar b. *1764, (25.) John Farrar b. *1689, (24.) Colonel William Farrar b. *1626, (23.) William Farrar b. *1583, (22.) John Ferror b. *1550, (21.) William Ferror b. *1522, (20.) Henry Farror Sr. b. *1480 (19.) Henrie Farrar b. abt. *1463, (18.) Henry Farror b. 18 May *1440, (17.) Henry Farrar b. *1393, (16.) 5th Baron of Groby William Ferrers b. 25 Apr. *1372, (15.) 4th Baron of Groby Henry Ferrers b. 16 Feb *1349, (14.) 3rd Baron of Groby William Ferrers b. *1333, (13.) 2nd Baron of Groby Henry Ferrars b. * 1303, (12.) William Ferrars b. *1290, (11.) Sir John de Ferrer b. *1270, (10.) Sir Robert de Ferrer b. *1239, (9.) 5th Earl of Derby Wlliam Ferrers b. 1193, (8.) 4th Earl of Derby William de Ferrers b. *162, (7.) 3rd Earl of Derby William de Ferrers b. *1140, ( 6.) 2nd Earl of Derby Robert de Ferrers b. *1090, (5.) 1st Earl of Derby Robert de Ferrers b. *1062, (4.) Lord of Ferries Henry Ferries b. *1036, (3.) Walkeline (William) deFerrieries b. *1010, (2.) Henry de Ferrieries b. abt. *0980, (1.) Engenulf de Gerrieries b. *0950,
Married Elizabeth Brecheen 4 Mar. 1798 in Person Co., N.C., b. *1777 in Person Co., N.C., d. 28 June 1853 in Cahokia Twp., IL., she was the daughter of William Brecheen and Elizabeth Goslin.
*note Taken off North Carolina, Womack Marriage Bonds 1786-1886, posted by Roger Womack. www.womacknet.net/marriages.nocarolina.htm
Bride: Elisabeth Brekeen Groom: William Farrar Bond Date: 04Mar 1798 County: Person Record #: 01 056
Bondsman: Jno Farrar Witness J Womack Bonds#: 000107508
Children of William & Elizabeth #5-16
Generation Twenty Eight:
1. Greene Washington Farrar* b. 1 July 1800 N.C. d. *12 Dec., 1861 Macoupin Co., IL., m. Laura Sinclair 22 Apr. 1824
2. Peter Farrar* b. *1804 N.C.
3. Scisley Farrar* b. *1808 TN. m. William Atkinson 12 Feb., 1829
4. Frances Farrar* b. 6 Mar 1817 IL., Robertson Co., TN., d. 16 Apr. 1901 buried in KS. m. Noah Leaverton
5. Josiah Farrar* b. 1820 IL. d. 3 Apr. 1864, Montgomery CO., IL.**
6. Jincy/Gincet R.M. Farrar* b. 1823 IL. m. Elbert Sinclair 11 Apr. 1839 *age 49 Jincy R.M. Sinclair was admitted 28 Dec. 1869 to Jacksonville State Hospital, Gentry Co., MO., discharge 19 Jan. 1871 was resident of Montgomery, IL. Transcribed by Shirley Aleguas, (Taken of MO. Web site)
7. Susannah Farrar* b. *1806 TN. m. Edward Foxwell
8. William Farrar II* b. *1809 IL. d. 30 Apr. 1840 m. Sidney Ann
9. Benjamin Thomas Farrar* b. *1814 IL. m. Catherine Simpkins 20 May 1835 #13
10. Elizabeth Farrar* b. *20 Apr. 1828 IL. d. 30 Mar. 1896, m. William Helmick
11. Nancy Farrar* b. 1818 IL. d. * 1868 in Gentry Co., MO. m. Ishmael Sinclair,
12. Mary E. Farrar* b. 1 July 1802 N. C. d. 12 Dec. 1861, m. Bennett
* children listed in William’s will
Note this will was given to my by my cousin Roland Farrar.
Transcribed from hand written copy of Court Documents by Roland Farrar, Jan 9, 2007

Estate of Wm. Farrar Senr. Deceased Executor qualified Court of Probate Special Term Febry 27-A.D. 1841- Green W Farrar having presented the last will and testament of William Farrar deceased and the same having been duly proven by the oath of George A. Kinder & Wilson Hampton the subscribing witness to said will. And ordered to be placed upon the record of this court. And it also appearing that there has not been any Executor named in said will. It is therefore ordered that Green W Farrar be appointed Administrator with the will annexed of the estate of the said decedent. Ordered that proof of the value of the personal estate of the said Decedent be now made whereupon the said Green W. Farrar made oath the same does not exceed the sum of Three Hundred & Twenty Dollars to the best of his knowledge and belief.
Ordered that Said affidavit be placed on file in this office. The said Green W. Farrar having offered his Bond in the penal sum of-

Court of Probate for Macoupin County Illinois Special Term February 27-1841 (Present Thomas Jayne Probate Justice of the Peace)Appeared in open court Green W. Farrar and presented the last will and Testament of William Farrar _ for Probate-“
Ordered that probate said will be now taken Whereupon Jacob (George)A Kinder & Nelson Hampton who are the subscribing witness to the execution of the said last will and testament. Being duly sworn on their oaths state that they were present and Saw the testaton publish the same in their presence and that they believe the said testaton was of sound mind and memory at the time of acknowledgement of the same

Ordered that said will be admited to record- and that the original be placed on file in this office
In the name of God Amen I William (G) Farrar of the County of Macoupin and State of Illinois being frail in body but of sound mind calling to mind the mortality of my body- and knowing that it is appointed to all men once to die do make ordain constitute and appoint this my last and testament first of all I Recommend my soul to the hands of—almighty God- who gave it- And my body to the ground to be buried in Christian burial at the discretion of my executors-nothing doubting but I shall receive it again in the great day of General Reserection. As (touching) the wordly estate wherewith it hath Pleased God to help me I give and bequeath it as follows- First I give to my Daughter Elizabeth Helmick a good second rate cow and calf. Item 2 I give to my Daughter Mary Farrar one good second rate cow and calf. Item 3 I give to my son Josiah Farrar one good second rate cow and calf. And after the payment of all my just debts I give all the remaining part of my estate to my beloved wife Elizabeth Farrar all my land and remenents household and kitchen furniture and all myStock of every sort horses and cattle hogs sheep etc during her natural life or widowhood—Which property is to return unto the executors and be sold and the money equally divided among my children, to wit my son Green W. Farrar, Elizabeth Helmick Mary Farrar- Peter Farrar, Sousannah Foxwell William Farrar Scisley Atkinson Nancy Sinclair- Thomas Farrar Francis Farrar Josiah Farrar Jincy Sinclair

Attest George A Kindert & Wilson Hampton

Court of Probate Special Ter5m February 27 1841 Personally Appeared A Kinder & Wilson Hampton in open court two credible witness to the above last will and testament of William Farrar deceased and made oath That they were present and heard the written named William Farrar publish the forgoing will and that they said William Farrar did acknowledge the same in their presence and that they believe the said William Farrar. The testaton therein named of sound mind and memory and that then subscribed their names is witness to the same at the time and at the request of the said testaton and in the presence of the said testaton.

(Signed) George A. Kinder
Wilson Hampton

** Note this will was given to my by my cousin Roland Farrar. (The following is a transcript of the probate of Josiah Farrar , son of William Franklin Farrar, who left no descendants. Blanks indicate words that I was unable to decipher, others may be questionable. The handwriting leaves room to argue whether Benjamin’s middle initial is F or T (T for Thomas) Transcript by R. Farrar. (note have learned the letter for Benjamin’s middle name is T for Thomas, Peggie)

County Court of Estate of Josiah Farrar deceased
Montgomery County IL To The Honorable Hiram Roundtree
County Seal

Your Petitioner Mathew Cyrus Administrator of the estate of Josiah Farrar late of said county deceased respectfully shows that the said Josiah Farrar departed this life on the third day of April AD 1864 (DOD 3 Apr 1864)
The letters of Administration on his estate were duly granted to your petitioner by the county court of Montgomery County hearing date the fourth day of May AD 1864
That the said Josiah Farrar died_____of certain funds in said county of Montgomery described as follows; undirected (?) one half of lot No. Two (2) in block No. twenty six and_____lots No. six (6) and seven (7), in block No. twenty seven (27) in the city of Litchfield in said county and also the undivided half of the east half of the south half of the northwest quarter of the northwest quarter of section two (2) Township eight (8) north of range five west of third principle meridian.

That the personal estatae of the said Josiah Farrar amounts to one thousand eighty four Dollars, and the debts allowed against said estate_____on thousand seven hundreds and seventy and no/dollars as will more particularly appear (?) by referring to the exhibit hereunto attached and marked exhibit_____. That the inventory, appraisement bill, and sale bill on said estate have been duly filed in the office of the clerk of this court.
That your petitioner has applied all the proceeds of said personal estate which have come to his possession toward payment of said debt as by his account and vouchers on file in this court will more particularly appear
That said Josiah Farrar left now widow
The following are the heirs of said Josiah Farrar

Non Residents: Peter J., Benjamin T., John N. James, and Peter Farrar and Sisly Atkinson and Mrs Franses Leverton
Resident Heirs Macoupin County: Green W. Farrar, Nancy Sinclair, Mary E. Bennet, Edward Foxwell and Rebecca Foxwell
Montgomery County: Elizabeth Helmick, Jincy R. M. , Nanciss (?) A. Helmick
Madison County: Rebecca Kelly, Emily Mcgee, John Farrar (minor)
Sangamon County: Frances Launget (?)

Whereupon your petition prays that this court may appoint some discreet person as guardian for such minor heir and that all the heirs afore will be made defendents and that they be summoned according to the____in such cases made and provided
And that upon a hearing this honorable court order and direct your petitioner to sell said real estate according to Law. The whole at one time orpart at successive times as may be most expedient and advantages in the premises, and to make such further order herein as to this honorable court may deem meet

Matthew Cyrus
Administrator
State of Illinois Administrator-Estate of---Josiah Farrar dec’d
Montgomery County-Matthew Cyrus being duly sworn-------deposed
And say that the foregoing Heir to act

Peter J, Benjamin T., John, and James Farrar, Sisly Atkinson, Mrs Frances Leverton and Peter Farrar are non residents of the State of Illinois according to best knowledge and belief.
Subscribed and sworn to before Matthew Cyris (signature)
Me this 28th day of April AD 1865 Administrator
Noroty Geo P. Fowler (signature)
Seal Notory Public
#5-16Benjamin Thomas Farrar b. *1814 (27.) William Franklin Farrar b. 1781, (26.) Peter Farrar b. *1764, (25.) John Farrar b. *1689, (24.) Colonel William Farrar b. *1626, 23.) William Farrar b. *1583, (22.) John Ferror b. *1550, (21.) William Ferror b. *1522, (20.) Henry Farror Sr. b. *1480, (19.) Henrie Farrar b. abt. *1463, (18.) Henry Farror b. 18 May *1440, (17.) Henry Farrar b. *1393, (16.) 5th Baron of Groby William Ferrers b. 25 Apr. *1372, (15.) 4th Baron of Groby Henry Ferrers b. 16 Feb *1349, (14.) 3rd Baron of Groby William Ferrers b. *1333, (13.) 2nd Baron of Groby Henry Ferrars b. * 1303, (12.) William Ferrars b. *1290, (11.) Sir John de Ferrer b. *1270, (10.) Sir Robert de Ferrer b. *1239, ( 9.) 5th Earl of Derby William Ferrers b. 1193, (8.) 4th Earl of Derby William de Ferrers b. *1162, (7.) 3rd Earl of Derby William de Ferrers b. *1140, (6.) 2nd Earl of Derby Robert de Ferrers b. *1090, (5.) 1st Earl of Derby Robert de Ferrers b. *1062, (4.) Lord of Ferries Henry Ferries b. *1036, (3.) Walkeline (William) deFerrieries b. *1010, (2.) Henry de Ferrieries b. abt. *0980, (1.) Engenulf de Gerrieries b. *0950,
#13 Married Catherine L. Simpkins 20 May 1835 Madison, IL, b. 15 Oct. 1816 IL. #5 d. 15 Apr. 1899 in Waupaca Co, WI, buried in Little Wolf, WI. *parents Jeremiah F. Simpkins b. 1792 in TN., & Sarah Boyd**note b. 1798 in TN. both died in IL. They had 5 children Margaret, Catherine, Sarah, Jeremiah, & John. # 5
Catherine’s second husband was John M. Brown, m. 30 Oct 1851 in Montgomery, IL., no children by this marriage.
Third husband was Alanson Horton m. 12 Mar. 1855, b. 1817 in Ohio, Alanson parents were P. Cyrus Horton b. 1818 in N.Y., and Dorothy b. 1804 in N.Y., and they had several children. #15
*note information for source’s for Alanson are from directed descendent of Alanson, #15
* I got this information from the 1820 Census Town of Belleville, St. Clair Co, IL. Microfilm # M33-12, emumerator Robert Lemen.
* Also off from Downs Twp., Mclean Co., IL. Jeremiah as Justices of the Peace.
* Note When Catherine & Alanson got married, her son James & wife Mary Amanda Cady Farrar stood up for them #13-4
**note The names of Catherine parents were given to me by Steve Jackson, mjackson@apci.net, his wife is related to them. Jeremiah F. Simpkins & Sarah Boyd Simpkins.
Children of Thomas & Catherine #16
Generation Twenty Nine:
1. James Argro Alexander Artroma Farrar b. 18 May *1839 IL, d. 14 Oct. 1915
2. Baby girl Farrar died in infancy #16

* According to the Waupaca Co, Census (Dayton Twp.), WI. which was done in 1880, James was 42 and that would make him 43 in May, so the birth date of 1839 is correct. Their has been some debate of the year, so I am going with that date.
Children of Alanson & Catherine #5-16
Generation Twenty Nine:
1. Dorothy Horton b. *1857 in IA. *d. 21 Sept. 1907 in WI. m. Wm. Charles Wood. *d. 4 May 1904, her sister Mary stood up with them when they got married. Married in Waupaca 15 Nov. 1881.
2. Mary Horton b. *1859 WI, she never married. #16, #14 (for both girls)
* I found the information on Dorothy and her husband, William Charles Wood off from Wisconsin Pre 1907 Death index, transcription by Waupaca Co. Deaths.

* She died at home on Division St. 3rd Ward., Listed Charles as a carpenter. This information was copied off Oconto message board.

* I found the 1870 census for the town of Waupaca, Waupaca Co, WI, from their I figured the birth dates. It listed Alanson as a carpenter, Catherine as a housekeeper, and the girls as attending school. Alanson as 49, Catherine as 50, the girls 13 and 11.

*Note several sources for Thomas, Catherine and Alanson, and children. 5, 13, 14, 15

Re: Farrar; Keighley, Yorkshire

Peggie_Conaway — 2009-08-26 14:19:42Z

I have my Farrar history completed after 30 years reseach. I am trying to find my g-g-grandfather Benjamin Thomas Farrar born in IL 1810 (?) son of William Franklin & Elizabeth Breechman (spelled several ways) Farrar they where both born in NC, (WM might have been born in VA. as that is where is parents are from), moved from their to TN, then IL had several children. Benjamin was known as Thomas married my g-g-grandmother Catherine Simpkins they had two children (one daughter died in infancy) my g-grandfather James Argro Alexander Artromy Farrar he was b. in IL but raised in WI where Catherine went with her husband Alanson Horton and their two daughter. Thomas can not been found after 1850's.

Do you have any info on him?

Thank You Peggie

Re: Farrar; Keighley, Yorkshire

Peggie_Conaway — 2009-09-02 22:25:24Z

First if you are correct about Ewood Hall/Manor then it must have been rebuilt soon after as I have a picture and story of Ewood Hall from England that stating that Ewood Hall was tore down in the 1970's, but the carriage house still is their and that it is a home.

As for the other facts can you tell me where you aquired you info as some of mine came off the English web site and a dozen other sources.