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Re: Foreys in England

bobr124 — 2011-12-29 11:46:27Z

Hello Gill,

Sorry to jump into this thread but I also am researching the Forey family on behalf of my wife Kaye (nee Forey). Her great, great grandfather was James Forey 1794 - 1869 (wife: Eliza Forey) of Walton-on-Thames or thereabouts.
I'm trying to find any information at all about Foreys but particularly the children of James and Eliza, besides Edward (or Edwin James?) who left England and emigrated to Tasmania in May 1884.

Re: Foreys in England

debbiesimpson11 — 2011-03-02 11:47:45Z

hi,thankyou that would be great

Re: Foreys in England

gillfranc — 2011-02-27 15:24:44Z

hallo,

It is indeed a rarity. My mother was a Forey and always said that our family was the only one with that spelling as it was anglesised.

The family can be traced back to Thursley, Surrey to the south of the M25. Phillippe Foore Married Joan Denier on 25th Sept 1615. From then the family name gradually becomes as we see it today. They are I think Hugenots who escaped form France after 1610.

My Grandfather was William Forey born 10th August 1864. I will get my son to help me scan information for you.

Gill Francis

Re: Margaret Forey d/o Henry - of Sunbury England

debbiesimpson11 — 2011-02-23 14:34:07Z

looking for info ellen forey born around 1894 dont know where but she did live in bradford as a n adult.any help would be great
thanks
debbie

Re: Wild John Forry Forey Forrey

skauff5096 — 2010-08-19 23:32:12Z

Chrissy
Not quite everyone has wild John in their tree. I can't seem to find my John who was living in Berks County. An early genealogy of the Fohrer/Forrer family identified him as the wrong John and I can't seem to tie my line to any of the early immigrants. In limbo

Re: Wild John Forry Forey Forrey

lorigrush122 — 2010-08-19 22:46:03Z

Hi Rod, Do you know of any brothers or sisters for Wild John? So far we have connected with Abraham Forry as Daniel Forrys (1771)Dad, and it says he is from either Switzerland or Holland?? Abraham was a Capt. in the Revolutionary War, and he naturalized in the US in 1765. But the buck stops there. So I trying to find out if he came over with Wild John were they brothers?? or nothing a all??
Thanks for getting back so soon.
I do notice that everyone is related to Wild John, he is in everyones tree, Wow busy guy. My email is cjforry@gmail.com. Chrissy Forry

Re: Wild John Forry Forey Forrey

rfor752 — 2010-08-19 15:33:03Z

Interesting that no one has answered this yet. My information which I rely upon two books (Furry,Forry,Forrer Genealogy by Jane Osolin and the Decendants of John Forry by Alvan Forry) suggest that the father was Rudolph Forry (Forrer). Of course the information is so confusing because of many other conflicting resources, but I think the Rudolph possibility is the best documented. Hope to see others who have opinions as well. Rod Forrey

Wild John Forry Forey Forrey

lorigrush122 — 2010-08-19 03:13:49Z

Does anyone really know the parents of Wild John, and how about his siblings who are they?? Please help, too many trees with conflicting information.

Re: John Furry of Hempfield (died 1753) and Christian Forrer of Conestoga (died 1786) were brothers.

ddforrer — 2009-11-20 01:24:07Z

Sorry, my last line should have been "Forrer b.c.1681 remains open.

Don Forrer

Re: John Furry of Hempfield (died 1753) and Christian Forrer of Conestoga (died 1786) were brothers.

ddforrer — 2009-11-20 01:08:47Z

The really incredible aspect of my research was not due to me but was the idea by Linda Hansen that a comparison of signatures might determine if the two Christians, Furry and Forrer, were the same person. That had never occurred to me and I had been mulling over the problem for several years. Her contribution was the key to proving they were the same person, without which I would never have realized what type of proof I should be looking for.

I was well aware that Richard Warren Davis, in his book, had “suggested” that the 1786 Christian Forrer of Conestoga might be the brother of the 1753 Johannes Forrer of Hempfield, but that was never more than a “suggestion”. Davis had never actually said that they were in fact brothers or that he had uncovered any evidence to that effect. Further, Davis had never said that they were in fact the sons of Johannes Forrer b.c.1681 or that he had uncovered any evidence to that effect.

Davis has to be read with a critical eye because he continually places honest qualifications or conditions on his statements which to do him justice should not be ignored.
On his page 137 Davis introduces the possible father as:
“4.[?] Johannes Forrer, b.c.1681.”
On his page 137 Davis also introduces the possible elder son as:
“41.[?] Johannes Forrer, b.c.1705.”
On his page 139 Davis introduces the possible younger son as:
“42.[?] Christian Forrer,b.c.1708.”

The numbering system 4, 41, 42 certainly indicates a parent, sibling, sibling relationship, but what does [?] mean. On page 3 Davis defines it as: “[?] = when a relationship is questionable.” Additionally, on page 137, when indicating JF had an executor “Christian Furrey” (sp.?) Davis only said “probably his brother”. On page 137 Davis states that JF, b.c.1681, only “may be” the father of Christian. He is clearly qualifying his remarks. Apparently he did not have access to the JF will language about a brother Christian or any access to actual signatures of Christian.

Thus, Davis is honestly admitting that he is only making educated guesses about this potential family. He has no supporting documentation or other evidence to support the relationship. But, this should be explained when referring to a statement by Davis so as to not give the impression that the statement is established fact by Davis. Nevertheless, Davis really was a master at the educated guess that turned out to be accurate, wasn’t he.

The question whether the brothers Johannes and Christian were the sons of Johannes Forrer b.c.1781 remains open.

Don Forrer.

Re: John Furry of Hempfield (died 1753) and Christian Forrer of Conestoga (died 1786) were brothers.

LBHansen8 — 2009-11-18 16:09:17Z

What I think Don has given us is good backup documentation - I would like to see documentation on their father that may be cited in this book or elsewhere. Could you supply that for us?

Re: John Furry of Hempfield (died 1753) and Christian Forrer of Conestoga (died 1786) were brothers.

BForrey — 2009-11-18 15:46:43Z

This information can be found in "Emigrants, Refugees and Prisoners, Vol II, Richard Warren Davis, PO Box 50182, Provo, Utah, 84605.
Johannes/Mary Meyer
Christian/Mary Herr
Their father was Johannes Forrer b. ~1681, d. shortly after Aug 1729 in Lancaster Co. PA

Re: John Furry of Hempfield (died 1753) and Christian Forrer of Conestoga (died 1786) were brothers.

LBHansen8 — 2009-11-18 13:16:05Z

This is incredible research, Don - thank you for sharing it.

John Furry of Hempfield (died 1753) and Christian Forrer of Conestoga (died 1786) were brothers.

ddforrer — 2009-11-12 03:07:00Z

The online will abstracts for Lancaster County PA for 1729-1817 include an abstract for a testator John Furry of Hempfield Twp. who died in 1753 and appointed two executors Christian Furry and Abraham Myer. Also included is an abstract for a testator Christian Forrer of Conestoga Twp. who died in 1786. This Christian Forrer was my 4xgreat grandfather.

These abstracts raise the questions: 1. was the 1753 testator John Furry a relative of his executor Christian Furry and 2. was the 1753 executor Christian Furry the same person as the 1786 testator Christian Forrer.

The Records and Archives Services department of the Court of Common Pleas, in downtown Lancaster city at the “court annex” immediately south of the main court building, maintains bound “will books” which contain “copies” of wills from the 1700’s. These are not the actual original wills signed by the testators but are only full text “copies”, probably made by unknown court personnel.

The will book citation for John Furry is 1753, Book B, Vol. 2, page 9, which contains a full will copy which is a typewritten version, obviously of modern vintage. The signed date is 26 April 1753 and the proved date is 30 June 1753 so he died some time between those dates.

The significant portion for my purposes is the executor appointment statement as follows:
“my only and Sole Executors My Trusted and Beloved Brothers Christian Furry, Abraham Myer and Friend Henry Strikler”. So, John Furry and Christian Furry were in fact family brothers.

The 1753 John Furry will copy also mentions: “Wife Marry”(sp.?); “My Father Christian Myer”; “Son John Furry”; “son David or Daniel”; “son Jacob Furry”; “son Abraham Furry”; and “son Henry Furry”. Obviously AM & CM were in-laws.

The will book citation for Christian Forrer is 1786, Book Y, Vol.2, page152 which contains a full will copy which is handwritten in modern cursive, obviously of current vintage. The signed date is 2 February 1786 and the proved date is 23 February 1786 so he died sometime between those dates. It turns out that this modern cursive copy is an English translation of the original Christian Forrer will which was written in cursive German. There is no mention in the 1786 Christian Forrer will of any person in the John Furry family to link 1786 CF to 1753 JF.

The 1786 Christian Forrer will copy mentions: “my loving wife Maria”; “my son Jacob”; “my two Daughters Veronica Brenneman and Anne Graff”; “her husband Issac Brenneman”; “my son Christian”; “my son John’s land”; and “my Two Friends Henry Good and John Burkholder my executors”.

At the court annex, from a section separate from the will books, I located a manila folder for the 1786 German language will of Christian Forrer. The folder contained a business size envelope with badly deteriorated shreds of paper which the clerk assured me was the original will but did not want me to remove. The folder also had a Xerox style copy of the assembled shreds providing a readable will copy except for many, many holes. The signature of Christian Forrer was reasonably legible except for the “or” of Forrer which was missing due to a hole.

At the Lancaster County Historical Society, about four miles west of the court annex, I located a 1756 account by the executors of the 1753 John Furry will listing debts due by the deceased and signed by his three executors. The research librarian there indicated that Christian’s signature was a unique combination of German and English cursive letters. The signature surname clearly was not Furry but was Forrer. Comparing this 1756 executor account signature of Christian Forrer with the 1786 German language will signature of Christian Forrer shows enough similarity to convince me that the same person signed both documents 30 years apart.

Notes:
Will abstracts at: www.usgwarchives.org/pa/lancaster/wills.htm

Records and Archives Services: www.co.lancaster.pa.us ; select Court of Common Pleas; select Court Related; select Records and Archives; select Archives.

LCHS: www.lancasterhistory.org

Don Forrer.

Re: Forey/Forrey/Forry/Furry History

ron_ferry — 2009-08-09 04:23:43Z

James, researchers here also link the name spelling of
Führer with Forrer/Furrer.

Re: Forey/Forrey/Forry/Furry History

jmsfurry1 — 2009-08-08 16:32:40Z

Hi AAnn

This mayy not be of much help to anyone but I will pass it along for what it is worth.
I correspond with a person in Switzerland and in my research I find that researchers there link the names Furrer/Forrer together as we connect the names Furry/Forry here in the USA.
The correpondent that I have matches me on a DNA test. But, that would be on the MtDNA, female side but her maiden name is Furrer. Her fathers name is Furrer. They are fine people of the upper class.

We think that we are double cousins. Matching her mother on DNA and her father by name.

Just wantedd to say that.
James

Re: Johannes Furry/Forry/Forrer of Pennsylvania

jmsfurry1 — 2009-08-07 14:09:29Z

Sandy,
My personal email is,
jmsfurry@verizon.ner
James

Re: Johannes Furry/Forry/Forrer of Pennsylvania

jmsfurry1 — 2009-08-07 14:04:20Z

Thanks Sandy for the reply. It is a hard old task but I
think that it can be done. I will help search for what you need. Tell me what you need or ask me whatever. I nay or may not know the answer but I'll try to find it.
James

Re: Johannes Furry/Forry/Forrer of Pennsylvania

skauff5096 — 2009-08-07 12:55:29Z

I have heard that before and wish that I could connect my line, but so far have been unable to do so. Any information that will help me do that would be greatly appreciated.
Sandy

Re: Johannes Furry/Forry/Forrer of Pennsylvania

jmsfurry1 — 2009-08-06 13:50:21Z

In corresponding with a person in Switzerland, I find that some genealogist in Switzerland connects the names
Furrer/Forrer the same way as we connect the names Furry/Forry.
Just for your info. It was of interest to me.
James jmsfurry@verizon.net

Re: Forey's in Wales

JANBIDDLE1 — 2009-07-21 12:40:36Z

The late Phillip and Beatrice Forey were my Grandparents,they had 4 children Fred,David,Sophia and my mother Phyllis.Sadly all 4 have passed away.Freds son still lives in the Garw valley and as far as know is the only Forey there.David moved to Doncaster when I was a child and had a number of children so there is definately a branch of the family there.Obviously Sophia and my mother Phyllis' surnames changed after marriage,my brother my sister and myself still live in the area,so does 1 of Sophias children with the other 2 living in England and Scotland.My mothers family hailed from Aberdare and I'm sure there are still Foreys there

Re: Foreys in England

peacesonita — 2008-11-15 20:57:25Z

Hello James

My name is Sonita Forey i was just browsing seeing if i can find a connection with my surname like yourself.

Re: Forey Mailing List - please join us!

PJMahoney42 — 2008-11-10 23:42:53Z

Bob Forrey: you sent a missive to Marilyn Hughes Re: Forrey family. Nancy Forrey b.5,15,1800 d.5,2,1884 is my 2nd great grandmother, she married James FitzRandolph b.4,1,1809, m.1831. I would like to get the Forrey family tree.
FYI: I am just past a beginner on the computer and in genealogy.
Thanking you in advance for any help.
Patrick Mahoney

Re: Forey's in Wales

Bryngarw — 2007-06-18 18:44:03Z

Hi,, We have a connction lol. David FOREY who married Sophia Davies are my Great Grandparents, mothers side. Phillip was born in Roberstown Aberdare, the family later moved to Convil Road,Blaengarw, Glam.I remember Phillip and Beatrice very well. I have further info on the Forey Family but always seeking more. Look forward to hearing from you Bryn. bryn.evans@llangeinor.me.uk

Re: Forey's in Wales

suestanford_1 — 2007-06-18 17:52:49Z

i have a phillip forey born 1897 whose father david married sophia davies 1883 neath. david was born in glyn neath and his father frederick in brecon. phillip married beatrice morgan in 1919 in bridgend area. is this linked to your tree?

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