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Re: Christopher German & Catherine Vanorden

Posted: 6 Sep 2001 10:54AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 10 Dec 2001 10:10AM GMT
Surnames: German, Van Norden, Outwater, Ruttan, Demarest & lots more
I'm a descendant of 8. Christopher German (1765 - 1843) & Catherine Vanorda/VANORDEN through their son
7. Peter GERMAN (c1795- 1868) & Sarah OUTWATER (1798-1879)

Christopher I German; son of John German & Grace ; Served as Priv. in British army. Ref in Reid as Christopher German of Adolphustown Town. d: 20 Sept 1840, age 73 years 8 months 13 days. . ..so born 7 Jan 1767, Ft.Edwards,NY and died 20 Sept. 1840,Adolphustown,Ont.Canada buried Gosport Cem. He was a Loyalist serving with Jessup's Rangers. m: Catharine Vanord Child of Mathew Vanord.

Christopher German I's wife, Catharine Vanord (Van Order, Van Urder), her father was Lieut. Matthew Vanord, Loyalist, who joined the Royal Standard at New York in 1779. Catharine's brother Isaiah Vanord was also on the UEL list. (See pages 7 & 8 in the 52-page chapter entitled "The Family of John German I. Christopher I, or the Magistrate.")

Catharine Vanord b c 5 FEb 1770 d: 22 Feb 1849 at age 79 years, 0 mon 17 days. . She was the daughter of Matthew VANNORDEN and Elizabeth RUTTAN.
(The Van Norden/Ruttan family have a long pedigree - back to Charlemange)



9. John German c1730 - 1800 & Grace unk.
John GERMAN I is believed to have been b c 1730 in southern Germany perhaps the Palatinate and have immig. to British North America while young.DEATH: 1800 m1: Grace unk c 1762 Fort Edwad, Saratoga Springs NY BIRTH: 1740 DEATH: 1800
M2? Mary Ryckman after 1784.

More about German
From: Carl Strand, German Family Genealogy Forum May 28, 1999 John German (b c 1730),Wash.Co,NY>ON,CAN
John GERMAN I was living with his family at Fort Edward, Washington Co., NY, for several years prior to 1776, where he had 100 acres of land and a good log house. He joined the British forces on Lake Champlain on 4 Nov 1776, and lost all his possessions in 1777 when his wife and children went behind the British lines. John GERMAN I and his entire family resettled in Ontario, CAN, after the Rev. War.
John GERMAN I might have married twice. He and his 1st wife, Grace (maiden name?), had 5 children: John II, Christopher I, Jacob I, Rebecca, and Mary (my 3gr-grm, who m Solomon HARRIS [an uncle of Townsend HARRIS, the 1st US Amb. to Japan]). Grace was at Quebec or Old Lorette (near Quebec) in Jan 1778 and at least until 29 Oct 1778, when John GERMAN I visited her and their 5 children (3 over 10 yr old and 2 under) while on leave. Grace may have d bet. late 1778-1784.
It has been speculated that John I may have m(2) Mary RYCKMAN, perhaps soon after she immig. to ON, CAN, in 1784. (other sources have her has wife of John II.) The parenthood of James GERMAN of Nissouri, ON, CAN (b c 1782) and a Henry GERMAN (b c 1788, bpt. 1788 Adolphustown Tsp., ON, CAN) apparently remains a mystery, although both have been speculated as possibly being children of John I through a second marriage. Most of the evidence suggests that James GERMAN is not related to John GERMAN I. Henry GERMAN could possibly have been a son of either John GERMAN I or his son John GERMAN II, or neither.
John GERMAN I is believed to have been b c 1730 in southern Germany (perhaps the Palatinate) and have immig. to British North America while young. At least some of John GERMAN I's immediate descendants were Quakers, so I believe that he may have passed through PA before settling in NY. The following dates for John I and his proven children put time constraints on his immigration:
I suspect that John I's father's name was Jacob, because it is so prominent in this family. Any assistance or suggestions regarding the roots of John GERMAN I in Germany or his early wanderings in British North America, or any information about his first wife, Grace, would be welcome.




.............................................. /Claudin Rutant d: APR 1613
...................................... /Claude Rutant d: 2 SEP 1658
...................................... |...... \Catharine
.............................. /Daniel Rutant d: 23 APR 1663
.............................. |...... |...... /Jean Bigene
.............................. |...... \Sara Bigene
...................... /Abraham Ruttan d: 19 MAY 1713
...................... |...... |...... /Jean de Bize
...................... |...... \Anne de Bize
...................... |.............. \Rachel Danrien
.............. /Paul Ruttan
.............. |...... \Marie Petilion b: ABT 1662 d: 1713
...... /William Ruttan b: ABT 1710 d: 24 MAY 1794
...... |...... |...... /Mathys Davids
...... |...... \Engeltje "Angelica" Davidse b: 1690 d: 1716
...... |.............. \Debra
..Elizabeth Ruttan..m:..Mathew Van Orden...
...... |...... /Peter Demarest
...... \Maria Demarest b: 15 FEB 1712
.............. \Marietie Meet


..................................................../Jacques DES MARETS b: ABT. 1519 d: 1604 =>
............................................/Francois DE MARETS b: ABT. 1555
............................................|...... \Antionette SUCEUR
..................................../Jean DE MARETS b: ABT. 1592
....................................|...... \Elisabeth HERBECQ d: BET. 1601 - 1604
............................/David DES MARETS b: ABT. 1620 d: 16 OCT 1695
............................|...... \Marguerite DE HERVILLE
..................../Jean DES MAREST b: 14 APR 1645 d: 16 OCT 1719
....................|...... |.............. /David SOHIER
....................|...... |...... /Francois SOHIER
....................|...... |...... |...... \Anne CROMMELIN
....................|...... \Marie SOHIER d: 1678
....................|.............. \Margrieta
............/Peter DES MAREST b: 1683 d: 1783
............|...... |...... /Simon DE RUINE
............|...... \Jacomina DE RUINE d: 1687
............|.............. \Magdalena VAN DER STRAATEN
...... Maria DES MAREST b: 1712 d: 1763
............\Mariete MEET b: 1691

..................................................../Baldwin VII DES MARETS =>
............................................/Baldwin VIII DES MARETS d: 1395
............................................|...... \Jacqueline DE RANCHICOURT
..................................../Hugo DES MARETS d: 1429
....................................|...... \Emma DE NEUVILLE
............................/Reginald DES MARETS
............................|...... \Guillemette DE SOLOMNES
..................../Jean DES MARETS
....................|...... \Agnes DE LA SAULX
............/Jacques DES MARETS , Sr. b: BET. 1480 - 1500
............|...... \Catharine GERARDEL
...... Jacques DES MARETS b: ABT. 1519 d: 1604

..................................................../Baldwin II DES MARETS d: 1145 =>
............................................/Baldwin III DES MARETS
............................................|...... \?Grener =>
..................................../Baldwin IV DES MARETS d: 1239
....................................|...... \Melisande DE BEAUVOISE
............................/Baldwin V DES MARETS
............................|...... |...... /Simon DE JAUCHE
............................|...... \Gillette DE JAUCHE
..................../William DES MARETS d: 1331
....................|...... \Ermegarde DE RAMBURES
....................|.............. \ WALINCOURT
............/Baldwin VI DES MARETS d: 1331
............|...... |...... /Walter DE HAMES
............|...... \Guiote DE HAMES
...... Baldwin VII DES MARETS
............|...... /Herbert DE FOREST
............\Agnes DE FOREST d: 1335


..................................................../ MALAHUC
............................................/Count of Cambray ROAUL b: 866 d: ABT. 896
............................................|...... \Judith of FRANCE b: 844 d: 870 =>
..................................../ ISAAC b: BEF. 896 d: AFT. 30 APR 941
....................................|...... \Lady DE HAINAULT
............................/Jean MAROILLES , Sassegnies d: 1047
............................|...... \Alberade DE HAINAULT
..................../Jean Lord of BOUSIS b: AFT. 1035 d: AFT. 1075
....................|...... |...... / GODFREY II, Lord of Florennes (Namur)
....................|...... \Hawise Rumigny b: ABT. 1020
....................|.............. \Hawise de Rousy
............/Baldwin I DES MARETS b: BEF. 1096
............|...... \ DE PICQUIGUY b: ABT. 1047
...... Baldwin II DES MARETS d: 1145
............\Alice DE TYREL

.......................... ./Emperor CHARLEMAGNE b: 2 APR 727 d: 28 JAN 813/14
..................../Louis I The PIOUS , Of Aquitane b: 16 APR 778 d: 20 JUN 840
....................|...... \Hildegard de Laon (BROADFOOT) b: 758 d: 30 APR 783
............/Charles II The BALD b: 13 JUN 823 d: 6 OCT 877
............|...... \Judith of BAVARIA b: ABT. 800 d: 19 APR 843
...... Judith of FRANCE b: 844 d: 870
............\Ementrude D'ORLEANS b: 27 SEP 830 d: 6 OCT 869


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