Griffen Y-DNA Project
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Griffen Y-DNA Project
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Posted: 6 Mar 2006 4:06PM GMT |
Classification: Query
Surnames: GRIFFEN, GRIFFIN, GRIFFITH(S), GRIFFIS, GRIFFING
Hello everyone,
Paul Jennings Griffin asked me to take some time to outline how the DNA groups work and to encourage as many of you as possible to take the test. There are several organizations offering DNA testing, but much of the lab work is done by the University of Arizona. This means if you go through the National Geographic Genographic Project or FamilyTreeDNA, your lab work will be done at the University of Arizona. To me it makes sense to go through www.FamilyTreeDNA.com for four reasons:
1) We already have a group rate because of the Griffith/Griffin/Griffen/Griffis/Griffing surname project. http://www.griffith.dna.rdgriffith.com Dale chose to go through FamilyTreeDNA. You can sign up by going to the link above but to order, see the link below.
2) The markers tested will be identical. Paul Jennings Griffin and I found out the Genographic Project shows the 389-1 and 389-2 markers differently from FamilyTreeDNA. For example, Paul's 389-1 was a 14 and his 389-2 was a 17. Dale's 389-1 was a 14, but his 389-2 was a 31. This caused Paul and Dale to think they weren't an exact match. It was only after emailing FamilyTreeDNA that we found out they were an exact match. Here's the response from FamilyTreeDNA regarding our match question: Actually, you may not have different values for this marker. Family Tree DNA and the Genographic Project have two different ways of reporting this marker. My guess is both of these kits have a 14 for 389-1? This is because Family Tree DNA adds up these two values for the total. So, the Genographic project lists 389-1 and 389-2 in two separate halves. Family Tree DNA lists the combined value (389-1 plus 389-2) for 389-2.
3) Once your results are available, from the FamilyTreeDNA website, it's simply a click of a button to upload your results to Y-search. www.ysearch.org. This is the site where we can post our pedigrees and identify our matches even if they do not contain the same surname. We can also look at near matches. This is very important if you're trying to find collateral lines. You can also pay an additional $15 to upload your results to the Genographic Project if you wish.
4) The customer service at FamilyTreeDNA is amazing. I've written them four times and Paul has written at least three. I've gotten responses within 24 hours, unless it's a weekend, and I'm even encouraged to write back to ask any other questions I may have. This means that once you have your results and you've read the tutorial information on the sites, you can still ask questions like, "My results are X, Y, Z and someone we thought was a cousin's results are A, B, X. What does this mean?" A scientist will answer that question for you. You don't have to feel that you're out there on your own relying upon scientific documents to understand your results. This was the MAIN reason I chose this company.
Now, to the next issue: 12, 25 or 37 markers. The 12 marker test doesn't really get you much. It simply shows, if you have a perfect match with someone with the same surname as you, that you are related, but it may be back as far as . The 25 and 37 marker tests can tell more information because there are more markers. Pay for the test with the highest number of markers that you can afford. A 37-marker test can show you where your collateral lines begin in terms of generations. In other words, all tests prove the same basic question: are we related? The 37-marker tests tells us WHEN and so it is the best bet for your money. Just remember, if you enroll in the Griffith surname project, you'll get the group rate of $219 and that's a lot cheaper than airfare to try to look for documents that prove your relationships! Trust me, I know!! To enroll, click on this link and order only through this page, otherwise, the 37-marker test will be $289. That's a great savings and it will get you a lot of information. http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=F66897&am...
Once you get your results, it is imperative that you upload them to Y-search and the Griffith/Griffin, etc. project. It's also very important that you upload your pedigree so everyone can take a look at who you are related to, especially if you match someone with a different surname. I can't stress this enough. Don't worry about identity theft, you have an option to hide all people who are still living, so just your older ancestors will show up.
One more thing: Dale is related to the Griffin family from Walton Parish, Pembroke, Wales. He was originally typed as Haplogroup I. This is a very broad group, so we paid the extra $65 to upgrade to a deep clade group test. His results are due around March 15th. If you find you're related to this Edward and John Griffin/Griffen/Griffith/Pengriffin, etc. family, you will have your deep clade haplogroup information already done for you - for free. Only one per family needs to do it.
Please get your DNA tested. To show you how this can help break down your genealogical brick walls, here is a list of things Paul and I are trying to determine. If we get the right DNA participants, we'll be able to answer these questions once and for all*. Here's our wish list and all require a 37-marker test.
1. Two male descendants of John Griffin who died in Simsbury, CT. and was supposedly b. 1608 Walton Parish, Pembroke, South Wales. We have been trying to make the connection between the John who left London aboard the Abraham in Oct. 1635 bound for Virginia and Edward b. 1602 same place, who left London aboard the Constance in Oct. 1635 bound for Virginia. Family stories say they are brothers, but to date, there isn't one piece of documentation that proves it. If we can get two descendants of John to compare with Paul and Dale's results (as descendants of Edward) we can prove the family story.
2. Two male descendants of Jasper Griffing b. Wales who went to Marblehead and then Southold, Long Island. Family legends say that Jasper was either a cousin, or as Donald L. Jacobus says, a possible brother of Edward. We can put this story to rest if we get two descendants to take the 37-marker test.
3. Two male descendants of Cyrus Griffin or Thomas Griffin b. Wales living in Virginia in the early 1600s. Again we are trying to prove a family connection here and we need two descendants to take the 37-marker test.
4. Two male descendants of Obadiah Griffin b. 1753 in Nine Partners, Dutchess, New York who d. 1843 in Niles, Berrien, MI. We are trying to prove the relationship here.
5. Two male descendants of Obadiah, Sr. b. 1743 in Nine Partners, Dutchess, New York. This one is tricky because we already have Dale who is related to Obadiah, Jr, the only child of Obadiah Sr. that we have a record of. We are trying to find Obadiah, Sr.'s other children, so if you are related to Jr. it won't help the cause. We think there are several of Obadiah, Sr.'s children living in Nova Scotia.
Please feel free to ask me any questions. I am not a scientist; I'm a genealogy junkie, but I know where to look or whom to ask, so don't hesitate.
Paul, if I've left anything out, please let me know.
Okay everybody, let's DNA!!!
Theresa Griffin
*Of course, then the question becomes, "What will I do with all this spare time???" LOL
Paul Jennings Griffin asked me to take some time to outline how the DNA groups work and to encourage as many of you as possible to take the test. There are several organizations offering DNA testing, but much of the lab work is done by the University of Arizona. This means if you go through the National Geographic Genographic Project or FamilyTreeDNA, your lab work will be done at the University of Arizona. To me it makes sense to go through www.FamilyTreeDNA.com for four reasons:
1) We already have a group rate because of the Griffith/Griffin/Griffen/Griffis/Griffing surname project. http://www.griffith.dna.rdgriffith.com Dale chose to go through FamilyTreeDNA. You can sign up by going to the link above but to order, see the link below.
2) The markers tested will be identical. Paul Jennings Griffin and I found out the Genographic Project shows the 389-1 and 389-2 markers differently from FamilyTreeDNA. For example, Paul's 389-1 was a 14 and his 389-2 was a 17. Dale's 389-1 was a 14, but his 389-2 was a 31. This caused Paul and Dale to think they weren't an exact match. It was only after emailing FamilyTreeDNA that we found out they were an exact match. Here's the response from FamilyTreeDNA regarding our match question: Actually, you may not have different values for this marker. Family Tree DNA and the Genographic Project have two different ways of reporting this marker. My guess is both of these kits have a 14 for 389-1? This is because Family Tree DNA adds up these two values for the total. So, the Genographic project lists 389-1 and 389-2 in two separate halves. Family Tree DNA lists the combined value (389-1 plus 389-2) for 389-2.
3) Once your results are available, from the FamilyTreeDNA website, it's simply a click of a button to upload your results to Y-search. www.ysearch.org. This is the site where we can post our pedigrees and identify our matches even if they do not contain the same surname. We can also look at near matches. This is very important if you're trying to find collateral lines. You can also pay an additional $15 to upload your results to the Genographic Project if you wish.
4) The customer service at FamilyTreeDNA is amazing. I've written them four times and Paul has written at least three. I've gotten responses within 24 hours, unless it's a weekend, and I'm even encouraged to write back to ask any other questions I may have. This means that once you have your results and you've read the tutorial information on the sites, you can still ask questions like, "My results are X, Y, Z and someone we thought was a cousin's results are A, B, X. What does this mean?" A scientist will answer that question for you. You don't have to feel that you're out there on your own relying upon scientific documents to understand your results. This was the MAIN reason I chose this company.
Now, to the next issue: 12, 25 or 37 markers. The 12 marker test doesn't really get you much. It simply shows, if you have a perfect match with someone with the same surname as you, that you are related, but it may be back as far as . The 25 and 37 marker tests can tell more information because there are more markers. Pay for the test with the highest number of markers that you can afford. A 37-marker test can show you where your collateral lines begin in terms of generations. In other words, all tests prove the same basic question: are we related? The 37-marker tests tells us WHEN and so it is the best bet for your money. Just remember, if you enroll in the Griffith surname project, you'll get the group rate of $219 and that's a lot cheaper than airfare to try to look for documents that prove your relationships! Trust me, I know!! To enroll, click on this link and order only through this page, otherwise, the 37-marker test will be $289. That's a great savings and it will get you a lot of information. http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=F66897&am...
Once you get your results, it is imperative that you upload them to Y-search and the Griffith/Griffin, etc. project. It's also very important that you upload your pedigree so everyone can take a look at who you are related to, especially if you match someone with a different surname. I can't stress this enough. Don't worry about identity theft, you have an option to hide all people who are still living, so just your older ancestors will show up.
One more thing: Dale is related to the Griffin family from Walton Parish, Pembroke, Wales. He was originally typed as Haplogroup I. This is a very broad group, so we paid the extra $65 to upgrade to a deep clade group test. His results are due around March 15th. If you find you're related to this Edward and John Griffin/Griffen/Griffith/Pengriffin, etc. family, you will have your deep clade haplogroup information already done for you - for free. Only one per family needs to do it.
Please get your DNA tested. To show you how this can help break down your genealogical brick walls, here is a list of things Paul and I are trying to determine. If we get the right DNA participants, we'll be able to answer these questions once and for all*. Here's our wish list and all require a 37-marker test.
1. Two male descendants of John Griffin who died in Simsbury, CT. and was supposedly b. 1608 Walton Parish, Pembroke, South Wales. We have been trying to make the connection between the John who left London aboard the Abraham in Oct. 1635 bound for Virginia and Edward b. 1602 same place, who left London aboard the Constance in Oct. 1635 bound for Virginia. Family stories say they are brothers, but to date, there isn't one piece of documentation that proves it. If we can get two descendants of John to compare with Paul and Dale's results (as descendants of Edward) we can prove the family story.
2. Two male descendants of Jasper Griffing b. Wales who went to Marblehead and then Southold, Long Island. Family legends say that Jasper was either a cousin, or as Donald L. Jacobus says, a possible brother of Edward. We can put this story to rest if we get two descendants to take the 37-marker test.
3. Two male descendants of Cyrus Griffin or Thomas Griffin b. Wales living in Virginia in the early 1600s. Again we are trying to prove a family connection here and we need two descendants to take the 37-marker test.
4. Two male descendants of Obadiah Griffin b. 1753 in Nine Partners, Dutchess, New York who d. 1843 in Niles, Berrien, MI. We are trying to prove the relationship here.
5. Two male descendants of Obadiah, Sr. b. 1743 in Nine Partners, Dutchess, New York. This one is tricky because we already have Dale who is related to Obadiah, Jr, the only child of Obadiah Sr. that we have a record of. We are trying to find Obadiah, Sr.'s other children, so if you are related to Jr. it won't help the cause. We think there are several of Obadiah, Sr.'s children living in Nova Scotia.
Please feel free to ask me any questions. I am not a scientist; I'm a genealogy junkie, but I know where to look or whom to ask, so don't hesitate.
Paul, if I've left anything out, please let me know.
Okay everybody, let's DNA!!!
Theresa Griffin
*Of course, then the question becomes, "What will I do with all this spare time???" LOL