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Groat, War of 1812, Ontario

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Re: Groat, War of 1812, Ontario

Posted: 29 May 2011 2:09PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: BEESWAX, GROAT, BEAVER, RAMSEY, FENNEL, ROBINSON, WEBSTER, NASH, OWENS, BAREFOOT, WRIGHT, SHERRY, BRANT
Hi again Fred,

at ourontario.ca you will find some original muster rolls including GROAT in the Lincoln Militia - Caleb GROAT (GRADT etc.) this is my connection. Caleb, as near as we know, is a Palatine descendant, spent time in QUE (signed Oath at Missisquoi 1795), migrated to Whitby, then to Lincoln/Grimsby where he fought in Lundy's Lane (1812) and then settled at Chinguacousy, Peel Co., ON. As far as I know the GROATs you mention are NOT related to him - however the eastern Ontario connection cannot be denied and something might still be "lurking" yet to be discovered (hence my interest in your note and "placing" these folk. My grandmother once said we had "indian blood" in us but I can't find any connection/proof of that. Suffice to say however the CRYSLER family that m. into the Indigenous GROATs of Six Nations area of Ontario seems to believe similar (Google "Blue Eyed Indian" + Crysler/Chrysler).

As for your Henry GROAT serving in 1813...

I can only say that in my work I have the MORDEN clan in my stuff - James MOREDEN (I'm assuming is same you mention heading these militia) m. Margaret PARLIAMENT. James MORDEN's sister Elizabeth m. Johannes CRYSLER - Johannes CRYSLER's (Capt., b. 1765) grandaunt is Anna Catharine GREILSER/KREILSER/CRYSLER. And Anna Catharine m. Gabriel GRADT/GRAAT/GROAT. Gabriel is very likely **at least** my Caleb GROAT's (above) G grandfather, or grand uncle. Now you can see we've come full circle and why/how these connections are of interest.

But this Henry I have no place for - however he very well be Henry Ruiter DE GROAT, b.31 Oct 1794 (NB, poss. QUE, of Noyan), who m. Elizabeth COVEY. Henry's brother, Peter DE GROAT c Nov 21 1791 m. Hannah VAN NORMAN - if you note in your militia lists the appearance of VANORMAN (with Michael and WIlliam GROAT, so might be pushing the wrong connection)


Here's the outline descendant tree I've worked out for Michael and William - I might have misspoke last and I believe, have them as, relations, brothers, in my work. I don't know if I would qualify them as UELs proper as it is possible they were indentured in some way - and were possibly even slaves or servants to Joseph BRANT and associates perhaps. It would not be "fair" to obscure that possibility behind more grand suggestions of patriotism (just my two cents). Erik Jensen of the Oneida/Six Nations has done considerable work on these communities - however there are also considerable errors in his online tree - many are corrected below. You are correct, or at least I am in agreement with you, that they must know one another - but the confusion comes in census labels of them as "Black", "African", "Mulatto", "Colored", "Indian" etc. so while we make clearer distinctions it's certainly not clear what's what at times.


Descendants of Parent Nego/Black/African GROAT
1 Parent Negro/Black/African GROAT
........ 2 William -Tuscarora(poss.'NEGRO')- GROAT 1783 - 1852
............ +Amelia (Emily) -Negro- SMITH 1789 - 1871
................... 3 Abram/Abraham -Tuscarora/Negro- GROAT 1814 - 1901
....................... +Catherine later wAbrGROAT(Tusc) UNKNOWN 1831 - 1891
............................. 4 Abraham GREEN 1876 - 1891
................... *2nd Wife of Abram/Abraham -Tuscarora/Negro- GROAT:
....................... +Sarah Ann -Tuscarora- WILLIAMS 1813 - 1861
............................. 4 William -Tuscarora- GROAT 1840 -
............................. 4 John -Tuscarora- GROAT 1840 -
............................. 4 Lydia -Tuscarora- GROAT 1840 - 1911
................................. +David -Indian BEESWAX WFT Est. 1820-1835 - 1871
........................................ 5 Catherine -Chippewa- BEESWAX 1857 - 1891
............................................ +[9] Joseph -Chippewa- BEAVER 1840 - 1918
.................................................. 6 Mary -Indian- BEAVER 1883 - 1891
.................................................. 6 Amelia -Chippewa- BEAVER 1889 - 1911
........................................ 5 George -Indian- BEESWAX 1859 - 1891
............................................ +Eliza UNKNOWN 1865 - 1891
.................................................. 6 Mary -Indian- BEESWAX 1880 - 1891
.................................................. 6 Jonas -Indian- BEESWAX 1882 - 1891
.................................................. 6 Susan -Indian- BEESWAX 1885 - 1891
.................................................. 6 David -Indian- BEESWAX 1891 - 1891
........................................ 5 [1] Abigail -Chippeway- BEESWAX LONGFISH DOUGLAS 1867 - 1922
............................................ +[2] Alpheus Alfred (Alvis) -Tuscarora- SHERRY 1869 - 1922
.................................................. 6 [3] Hilton SHERRY 1899 - 1911
.................................................. 6 [4] Mabel SHERRY 1902 - 1926
...................................................... +[5] Henry ANTOINE 1888 - 1926
.................................................. 6 [6] Sarah Ann SHERRY 1905 - 1911
...................................................... +[7] Elias SILVER 1889 - 1921
........................................ 5 [8] Jonas -Chippeway- BEESWAX SYSCOME SISCUM 1869 - 1871
............................. *2nd Husband of Lydia -Tuscarora- GROAT:
................................. +George -Tuscarora- BEAVER 1840 - 1869
........................................ 5 Elijah -Tuscarora- BEAVER 1861 - 1929
............................................ +Louisa -Mohawk- BRANT 1861 - 1911
.................................................. 6 Elijah -Tuscarora- BEAVER, Jr. 1910 - 1998
...................................................... +Evelyn TJADER 1914 - 1995
........................................ *2nd Wife of Elijah -Tuscarora- BEAVER:
............................................ +Amanda CARTER 1887 - 1918
............................. *3rd Husband of Lydia -Tuscarora- GROAT:
................................. +James LONGFISH 1838 - 1891
........................................ 5 [1] Abigail -Chippeway- BEESWAX LONGFISH DOUGLAS 1867 - 1922
............................................ +[2] Alpheus Alfred (Alvis) -Tuscarora- SHERRY 1869 - 1922
.................................................. 6 [3] Hilton SHERRY 1899 - 1911
.................................................. 6 [4] Mabel SHERRY 1902 - 1926
...................................................... +[5] Henry ANTOINE 1888 - 1926
.................................................. 6 [6] Sarah Ann SHERRY 1905 - 1911
...................................................... +[7] Elias SILVER 1889 - 1921
........................................ 5 [8] Jonas -Chippeway- BEESWAX SYSCOME SISCUM 1869 - 1871
........................................ 5 Aveline ALLUM 1885 - 1891
............................. *4th Husband of Lydia -Tuscarora- GROAT:
................................. +Isaac -Seneca- DOUGLAS 1846 - 1901
............................. 4 Abram -Tuscarora- GROAT WFT Est. 1840-1870 -
............................. 4 Henry G. -Tuscarora- GROAT 1848 - 1917
................................. +Nancy w HenryGIndigenous-GROAT UNKNOWN 1850 - 1881
........................................ 5 Martha -Tuscarora- GROAT 1875 - 1891
........................................ 5 Andrew -Tuscarora- GROAT 1879 - 1927
............................................ +Wife Andrew-Tuscarora-GROAT UNKNOWN WFT Est. 1890-1900 - 1927
........................................ 5 Emma -Tuscarora- GROAT 1879 - 1891
........................................ 5 James -Tuscarora- GROAT 1881 - 1881
........................................ 5 Hannah -Tuscarora- GROAT 1886 - 1903
............................................ +Albert -Delaware- WRIGHT 1875 - 1903
............................. *2nd Wife of Henry G. -Tuscarora- GROAT:
................................. +Lucy WILLIAMS 1856 - 1911
........................................ 5 Carrie May -Tuscarora- GROAT 1892 - 1917
............................................ +David -Tuscarora- HERKIMER 1881 - 1917
........................................ 5 Sarah -Tuscarora- GROAT 1894 - 1911
........................................ 5 Henrietta -Tuscarora- GROAT 1897 - 1911
............................. 4 Samson -Tuscarora/Negro- GROAT 1850 - 1891
................................. +Christeen/Kathln -Tusc- w SamsonGROAT UNKNOWN 1831 - 1871
........................................ 5 Isaac -IndianTuscarora- GROAT 1867 - 1871
........................................ 5 Sarah Ann -IndianTuscarora- GROAT 1867 - 1871
........................................ 5 Solomon -IndianTuscarora- GROAT 1870 - 1871
........................................ 5 Mary -Tuscarora- GROAT 1873 -
........................................ 5 Ida -Tuscarora- GROAT 1876 -
........................................ 5 Leah -Tuscarora- BAREFOOT 1879 -
............................. 4 Levina -Tuscarora/Negro- GROAT 1852 - 1927
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................................. +Solomon -Tuscarora- NASH 1836 - 1911
........................................ 5 Caroline -Tuscarora- NASH 1868 - 1946
............................................ +Peter -Tuscarora- BEAVER 1858 - 1920
.................................................. 6 George -Tuscarora- BEAVER 1889 - 1911
...................................................... +Emily w Geo -Tuscarora-BEAVER UNKNOWN 1881 - 1911
.................................................. 6 Howard -Tuscarora- BEAVER 1895 - 1911
.................................................. 6 Wilfred -Tuscarora- BEAVER 1897 - 1911
.................................................. 6 Freda -Tuscarora- BEAVER 1901 - 1911
........................................ *2nd Husband of Caroline -Tuscarora- NASH:
............................................ +Melchie -Delaware- WRIGHT 1877 - 1922
........................................ 5 Eli -Tuscarora- NASH 1869 - 1891
........................................ 5 Amos -Tuscarora C. BEAVER NASH 1871 - 1901
............................................ +Mary Jane -Tuscarora- OWENS 1874 - 1935
.................................................. 6 Truman -Tuscarora- BEAVER 1893 - 1919
...................................................... +Mary MILLER 1903 - 1919
.................................................. 6 Caroline -Tuscarora- BEAVER 1895 - 1911
.................................................. 6 Mary -Tuscarora- BEAVER 1898 - 1911
........................................ 5 Wallice -Tuscarora- NASH 1875 - 1881
........................................ 5 Levi -Tuscarora- NASH 1875 - 1881
........................................ 5 Walter -Tuscarora- NASH 1881 - 1881
........................................ 5 Noah -Tuscarora- NASH 1884 - 1901
............................. *2nd Husband of Levina -Tuscarora/Negro- GROAT:
................................. +David WEBSTER 1836 - 1901
........................................ 5 Lucias (sic) WEBSTER 1879 - 1891
........................................ 5 William 'Willie' WEBSTER 1884 - 1891
........................................ 5 [10] Charles WEBSTER 1887 - 1911
........................................ 5 Wallace (adoptedWalliceNASH?) WEBSTER 1888 - 1891
........................................ 5 [11] Sarah Jane WEBSTER 1890 - 1911
........................................ 5 David Lewis WEBSTER 1890 - 1901
............................. *3rd Husband of Levina -Tuscarora/Negro- GROAT:
................................. +[9] Joseph -Chippewa- BEAVER 1840 - 1918
............................. *4th Husband of Levina -Tuscarora/Negro- GROAT:
................................. +Nicholas -Tuscarora- OWENS 1868 - 1935
........................................ 5 [10] Charles WEBSTER 1887 - 1911
........................................ 5 [11] Sarah Jane WEBSTER 1890 - 1911
................... 3 Elizabeth -Tuscarora- GROAT 1819 - 1852
................... 3 William -Tuscarora- GROAT 1822 - 1852
....................... +Mary w William-Tuscarora-GROAT UNKNOWN 1832 - 1852
............................. 4 Peggy GROAT 1849 - 1852
............................. 4 Mike GROAT 1850 - 1852
................... 3 Sarah -Tuscarora- GROAT 1832 - 1852
................... 3 John -Tuscarora- GROTE GROAT 1833 - 1852
................... 3 Hannah -Tuscarora- GROAT 1835 - 1852
........ 2 Michael "African" GROAT 1794 - 1820
............ +Mother w MichaelAFRICAN GROAT UNKNOWN
................... 3 Peter "African" GROAT WFT Est. 1815-1835 -
................... 3 Jemime "African" GROAT WFT Est. 1815-1835 -
................... 3 Margaret "African" GROAT WFT Est. 1815-1835 -
................... 3 Elizabeth "African" GROAT WFT Est. 1815-1835 -
................... 3 William "African" GROAT 1820 - 1900
....................... +Elizabeth ADAMS 1826 - 1909
............................. 4 Hannah "African" GROAT 1850 - 1932
................................. +Thomas LILLIE 1842 - 1890
........................................ 5 William R. LILLIE 1872 -
............................................ +Helen GRAY 1872 -
........................................ 5 Annie LILLIE 1883 -
............................................ +George J. ROBINSON 1878 -
........................................ 5 Percy LILLIE 1886 -
........................................ 5 Ruby LILLIE 1889 -
........................................ 5 Leonard LILLIE 1891 -
............................. 4 Mary Jane "African" GROAT 1851 - 1930
............................. 4 Edith Elizabeth "African" GROAT 1854 - 1867
............................. 4 Louisa "African" GROAT 1856 - 1943
............................. 4 Abigail "African" GROAT 1859 - 1939
................................. +Thomas Hackett FENNELL 1856 - 1935
........................................ 5 Charles William FENNELL 1879 -
............................................ +Ethel May HILL 1882 -
........................................ 5 Olive Elizabeth FENNELL 1900 -
............................. 4 Rebecca "African" GROAT 1862 -
............................. 4 James "African" GROAT 1864 -
............................. 4 Henrietta Cecilia "African" GROAT 1865 -
............................. 4 Harriet Alice "African" GROAT 1870 - 1870
............................. 4 Winnifred "African" GROAT 1871 - 1959
................................. +POSSIBLY(CHECK)LLOYD RAMSEY
............................. 4 Martha "African" GROAT 1872 - 1881
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