Very very close to my Frederick. Was your Frederick's father an immigrant from the Loirne River region near Castle Heisien in Germany? There are some Gunther's there that had a family business of salt merchants. (Oral tradition from a distant cousin I discovered working at the local Hy-Vee). I am looking for a Frederick who was origionally supposed to become a monk (2nd son) but came to America instead. Family tradition has father was also the cheif musician to Kaiser Wilhelm I of Germany. Any help?