Dear Maxine, I'm descended from Thomas' son James, who had a son James in 1812 after Thomas died. I know the connection now, thanks to you. Grandson James named one of his many sons David in honor of his brother who stayed in Virginia. Thanks for all your work Maxine, we'll never forget you. The Holder family (Illinois). PS: our Holder DNA group matches your John Holder's 24 out of 25 markers. So Hello Cousins!