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? Irving of Caroline Co Va

oclarke11 — 2009-11-14 21:45:04Z

Need his name & the names of his parents & siblings. He was b abt 1925 & marr Virginia Chinault/Chenault dau of Richard Bagby Chinault & Myrtle. Also need children for Mr. Irving & Virginia.
Thanks, Ollie

Re: irving search

GloriaW79 — 2009-11-01 19:06:16Z

I have several a Robert Irving in our family tree. He was born 1874 in Cumberland, England. Would this be your Robert?

Re: surgeon major james irving

colmoore133 — 2009-10-25 10:30:27Z

Hi, James Irving, husband of Jane Czarina, was the son of David and Janet Irving of Edinburgh - I found him at the 1841 census living with his parents at 6 Meadows Place, where his parents were still living in 1851. His father's birthplace was given as Langholm, Dumfriesshire.

Hope this helps. If you have any information on his wife Jane (who was a cousin of a Colquhoun I'm researching) I'd appreciate it. Either her maiden name was Colquhoun, or her mother's was.

Re: Irving, Bernard

ElizabethIngham67 — 2009-10-05 20:01:36Z

hello!,i are elizabeths mum kathleen,bernard is my uncle and my mum is his sister in england her name is joyce not judy,the reason you would not be able to find her at that time is because she moved from cleethorpes to grimsby to live.i are delighted you have found your sister and she will now get to know you and colin, good luck to all three of you love kath xx

Re: Irving, Bernard

artek3 — 2009-10-05 07:07:52Z

Hi I'm not sure if you received my message but I am also Bernie Irvings daughter and live in Brisbane and colin lives only 5 Mins from me .Could you call us on 0733420632 or email me artek3@gmail.com.
I have been looking for you via the salvation army with no luck.
Best wishes Kerry (irving)Fernandez

Re: Irving, Bernard

artek3 — 2009-10-05 06:55:36Z

Ok the complicated story is that both Colin and I only saw dad in 10 year gaps.The truth is we spread dad's ashes in the ocean in a town called Cleveland as both Colin and I spent the most time with dad there.Yes dad loved fishing and we felt it was best he was put to rest where he loved.Both colin and I had 10 year gaps between when we would see him.At the age of 22 I felt it was best that I did'nt keep in touch.I speak with Colin weekly and have been trying to find Michelle for 3 years.It was when I was 18 or so I new she exsisted.I am 36 and have 2 children.When I spoke to dad 3 years ago he unfortunately did'nt show much interest.Earlier in the year I received a phone call about dads condition.He had lung cancer for the last 3 years.In 1985 we went to england to see joyce but his friend did mistake my mother for shirley.My email is artek3@gmail.com and if you have any info about Michelle it would be much appreaciated.Its very exciting that you have found us but unfortnately there is no plot to visit for my farther.With kind regards Kerry Fernandez

Re: Irving, Bernard

ElizabethIngham67 — 2009-10-05 00:44:30Z

Sorry to trouble you but his mum was Minnie Leaning and she married James henry Irving,When my nanna went over to Australia she stayed at 15 Lloyd Avenue,Epping and she said that Bernard took her to see Coiln in 1993/1994.I have some photo's from when she went to vist him after he came to Britain,he stayed with my nanna in Doughty Rd Grimsby Lincolnshire.He was a deep sea fisherman,and he had his own lorry and sold logs and he had a freind called Terry Jackson while he was growing up over here.In 1964 Bernard fetched Colin and Michelle's mother over to England,and they stayed at my antie's for a short while.I have a Photo of Colin's mum and Bernard,when they where together.Please get in touch,on phone number 004401924314101,or 07504658271 or email dizzielizziedrippin21@hotmail.co.uk.If you want to email and leave your phone number and i canring you back if you wish.I forgot to ask what is your name,i sorry for not asking.It just a shock to find that news.I am Elizabeth,Liz for short.Hope to hear from you soon,take care

Re: Irving, Bernard

ElizabethIngham67 — 2009-10-05 00:03:53Z

Hi I saw your message on Ancestory,I am Bernard's sisters grand-daughter.He had a sister called Joyce Irving and she went over to vist him in Austraila.He came back to Britain and was going to live back here but didnt.We only understood that he only had one son and Michelle.I have just found her this year.CLaire Fenwick is my cousin,and ive just found her.Please get in touch by my email Address.I can now let my nanna know what has happened to him.When he came over to Britain he said that he had Cancer.Please let me know where he is as my nanna will want to come and pay her respect to him, before she passes away.Please Please get in touch.There was only Bernard and My nanna left out of the Irving's in britain.Did he died recently,as ive only been in touch with Michelle for 2 months.So now i have other reletives as well.Im very sorry for you and the rest of your family.Thjinking of you all.Liz

IRVING

rosemarycullen1 — 2009-09-30 02:58:07Z

Looking for any information regarding Harry Irving born in Gisborne on 11 May 1889, d. 27.9.1986 Hawera. His sister was Annie Elizabeth Irving (Packman) b. 1887. Annie married Hugh McLeod in 1919. Harry's father was a Thomas Irving b. 1839.

Re: Irving, Bernard

artek3 — 2009-09-25 11:56:11Z

he is my father and he has passed away this year.I am looking for Michelle as I am in contact with Colin.I have photos if you would like a copy.Is your grand mother judy.We went to England in 1985 to find her but could'nt.

Bonshaw Tower

SarkTower — 2009-09-21 07:45:18Z

For those interested, I have read that Bonshaw Tower is having an "open doors" day on the 27th September between 12.00-16.00.

Irvings of Scotland and Ireland

devriescj — 2009-09-21 00:42:05Z

My Irving ancestors lived in Scotland for 100s of years, though it is reported that they first lived in Ireland.
I have read that many went to Ireland around 1630.
My great-great-grandfather, Charles Hood Irving, was born in Newtown Stewart, County Tyrone, Ireland around 1820 and came to the USA around 1840.
I am seeking any connection in that 200 year period.
I do not know his mother's name, but perhaps it was Hood as that is his middle name and there were Hoods in the north of Ireland around the same time he was there.

Re: Irvings in Scotland

Lesley_Klinger — 2009-09-13 21:23:01Z

Helen,
My mother is Ferne Mae (Irving) Klinger
Her father was William George Irving Jr(1903-1974)
His father was William George Sr.(b1871) married to Agnes Frew(b1871)
They had 4 children
Margaret
Mary
John
William Jr

Is your Mary Ann Irving also my Mary Irving?

I have very little info on my maternal ancestors, so any help anyone can give I would appreciate.
Thank You!
Lesley Klinger
Last_Klinger@comcast.net

William Irving born @1801 in Berkshire

avidt1 — 2009-08-20 20:03:24Z

Hi

I am trying to trace the baptism of thi man who married Susannah Beckfor in Hurley Berkshire in 1825.

Many Thanks

David

Re: Joseph Irving

irvineth — 2009-08-04 12:54:09Z

Thomas C Irving was my great grandfather, it was he who brought Joseph back to Australia before he "went overseas" to the U S A / Canada.

Henrietta, the youngest sister of Joseph, was also brought back to Australia. She married in Melbourne.

Re: Joseph Irving

SarkTower — 2009-08-04 10:00:30Z

On the 1851 census there is a Joseph Irving living with his mother, 2 brothers and a sister at Hindgill Brae, Dalton Parish

Isabella Irving (49) b. Hoddam - Dressmaker (Widow)

Thomas Irving (25) - Game Watcher
Francis Irving (16) - Apprentice Clogger
Henrietta Irving (14)
Joseph Irving (12)

Hope this gives you a start.

Trevor

Joseph Irving

irvineth — 2009-08-04 07:39:20Z

I am seeking any information at all on Joseph Irving, born 11 June 1838 in Dalton, Dumfries, Scotland. At some time after 1855, it is believed that he migrated to either the U S A or Canada.

William Irving - Tremont PA - looking for relatives

Lesley_Klinger — 2009-08-01 21:35:40Z

William Irving married to Margaret Griffiths Irving
Tremont PA

3 children
Robert
Kenneth
Ferne

Re: Robert Irving - Mary Carruthers, Cumberland, England

fudsy — 2009-07-07 16:58:58Z

Stuart is the son of John and Elizabeth according to the letters. You are right. I've been re-reading the letters and it was Barbara who chickened out. I'll search the photos and send ones I think you'll want.

Re: Robert Irving - Mary Carruthers, Cumberland, England

fudsy — 2009-07-01 20:03:49Z

Here's more info on the people who wrote to my grandmother:
Stuart Veitch Smith's aunt was Maggie McLean (died 4/28/1928 at age 75 and buried in Lochmaben)Her cousin was Margaret Richardson. Ms. Richardson lived with and cared for Maggie McLean in Thistle Cottage which was built by Maggie's father, Robert Smith and Stuart's father. Maggie McLean had a sister Jessie who had earlier lived in Thistle Cottage with her.

Grandma also had a story that Elizabeth was originally going to come to America with Margarette but backed out once she saw the ship. I have a pictures of Thistle Cottage attached. The woman is Margarette but I don't know her relationship to anyone. I also have others of Margaret Marshall and her parents.

Re: Robert Irving - Mary Carruthers, Cumberland, England

fudsy — 2009-06-30 01:53:29Z

I went through my box of papers and the Bible pages only have Irvings on them, no Ross other than Margarette. I did find more on the people Grandma corresponded with in Scotland. Grandma originally wrote the letters for her grandfather (William Barton Irving)when he couldn't see well enough and then, the writing was taken over by other family members. I wrote one letter and the woman did not understand our relationship and did not want to help with the family history.
Mary Marshall was an early penpal. I don't know how she is connected but did note this: some relation to Margarette Ross but not sure what. took up the correspondance to Grandma when Mrs. MacLean couldn't continue. As a note, Mrs. Marshall's daughter married the Hervey.

Margaret (Maggie) McLean wrote some letters until "removing" in May 1929, I think, the postmark is hard to read. She lived next door to Margaret Richardson.
Margaret Richardson also wrote(Maggie McLean's neice):
ended in old folks home outside of London. Lived on a trust. Maybe married someone named Conam and lived in London. Had one son in army, Colonel, connected with NATO in Paris and received an OBE in the Queen's honours. Ended in home for "elderly ladies" in London This info belongs to one of Maggie McLean's neices, a sister's child
Grandm last wrote to Stuart Veitch Smith at Annandale
, 68 Achworth Rd Pontefract, Yorkshire, England

5/1918: P.27899.2.am.S.V.Smith
B.A.F.
Resident Engineers Office
Halton Camp West
Bucks, England

Nov 71: "Annandale"
68 Ackworth Road
Pontefract, Yorkshire, England
WF8 4LH
His daughter took over the corespondance next, Jean Margaret Veitch Smith:

She became an architect like her father, expected to graduate in 1941 and then go into business with her dad ending as his partner and a Associate of the Royal Institute of British Architects, designed banks mostly, Banks Architects for the York county Savings Bank.

Corresponded with Mrs. Marie Blair, a cousin of Anna May Lercher, who lived in USA. Mrs. Blair visited her in England.

I think that Stuart was the son of John Ross Smith, son of John Smith & Mary Ross, who was the daughter of mysterious John Ross you seek. I don't know if any of this helps but I will keep looking for clues.

I will review all those old letters. Maybe since I've got more family information, they will hold more interest. I'
ll let you know. Darlene

Re: Robert Irving - Mary Carruthers, Cumberland, England

fudsy — 2009-06-23 21:05:22Z

Wow, just when you think a trail is dead! My grandmother used to correspond with the relatives in Scotland and no one ever picked it up after she became too blind to write. What a shame! The family Bible is mostly about the Irvings and those who were born in the USA. I know she had an uncle William. I have a bundle of letters from Margaret McLean and her nephew Stuart Veitch. Here are some notes from my grandmother. Let me know if any of it makes sense:

Note from Stuart on 12-29-1964:
"Mrs. Smith worries a good deal about her sister, who is now in a private home, after being in hospital for over two years...Her other sister is also going into hospital for an operation."

Mrs. Marie Blair, in USA, is some sort of relative writing to Stuart's daughter and came to England to visit Stuart's family.

Wm. Irving born in Ireland or Scotland, Elkhart Lodge No. 545 AF & AM, I615 in census records, came here in 1856 we think. According to old letter between Anna Lercher and Margaret McLean, he was the third son so inherited nothing. He studied the law and joined the English Army. Afterwards returned to Lochmaben and worked as a coachman for Margaret Ross's father. His family thought he had married beneath himself and that is supposed to be part of why they moved to USA

Wm Irving was Robert the Bruce's armorer, and was granted the lands and titles from him DON’T KNOW IF TRUE, JUST FAMILY STORY

"We went to Dumfries by train then we went by motor car to where I heard your Grandfather's two half sisters lived. We found them, of course I had to tell them who we were. we found them both well. They were pleased to know about you, one of them is a widow and has a daughter who does dressmaking. They have a nice house and very comfortable and very cheerful, they took a good hearty laugh as some of the old tales they told us. I think your grandfather would be older than then but I did not like to ask. I forget how much over, seventy the oldest one is."

Margaret McLean letter 11-15-1920:
"I have been expecting a cousin on a visit but she has not been. We proposed going to see Miss Scott and Mrs Hunter, your relations which we once went to see."

Nathan Irving born California 1982

lastonestanding — 2009-07-23 06:16:11Z

If you have any information for this fine young man in Oregon please go to www.cousinconnect.com and click on California to find the query and send an answer.
BLIGH;IRVING
Searching for birth mother. I was born in Port Hueneme in April 18th or 19th 1982. I believe you named me Nathan. Julie Mohr was the worker. I understand you endured some hardships while pregnant with me and chances are you would like to forget those turgid times, but I am in a stage of my life where my identity belies strongly on learning my heritage. If you read this, be it said that I am doing well(I am a writer) and I thank you so much for choosing to have me, because I find something new everyday to love about this life. I have precocious talents in drawing and writing. I am a very creative person and I currently live in Oregon. You also have grandchildren,two or them,and they are the reason I draw breath. I'd like to meet you one day, granted you are still alive. Much love, if you should come across this.
Readers please note that I checked the California birth index and the correct birth info seems to be Nathan Irving,male, April 19th 1982 with mothers maiden of Irving in Ventura county.

Re: DONALD J. IRVING

SCORPIO427 — 2009-07-03 00:54:37Z

Thank you for replying to my post. The Donald J. Irvin correction on the name. My interest is that I'm looking for my grandfather and possibly his relatives.

Re: Ancestors?Living relatives?

robraiter54 — 2009-03-04 23:00:27Z

Adopted father in 1909 looking for birth name Irving? Did DNA on Ancestry came with 10 gen with the exact same with these names Irving, Irvin Irwin, Mullikin, Pierce,Mcwhirter.

What is the common thread with these Surnames. Just want to find family surname might been on 1910 census (Irving)in New york Orphanage.

Rob
Shrobraiter@comcast.net

Re: Irvings of Annan, Scotland (John & Agnes)

riderchick627 — 2009-01-04 18:12:42Z

Hi there,
Most of my father's ancestors were from Annan Scotland. I don't have a John and Agnes, but I have lost the trail before the dates you mentioned. Irving was a common surname there, do you know if they where the ancestors of Edward Irving, the founder of the Catholic Apostolic Church?

Re: Irving, Stockbridgehall farm

SarkTower — 2009-04-24 12:07:33Z

I know on Robert Irving's marriage record it is recorded as "Stobriggs Hill" or Stockbridge Hill.

Stockbridge and Stockbridge Hill certainly still exist as places on modern maps. I'll do some more research and let you know if I find anything about farms in this area and to which estate they may have belonged.

Regards

Trevor

Re: James Irving b 1850 Dumfriesshire

joanflood84 — 2008-11-18 22:37:04Z

Mary Ann Crompton was born c.1859 probably in Derry (1871 census says Drogheda but the later ones say Derry). Parents were John Crompton b.c.1822 Ardstraw, Tyrone and Letitia Mitchell, b.c.1822 Derry. Two brothers, John Johnston Crompton, b.1850 and William Hamilton Crompton, b.1854 (my great-grandfather).

John Crompton's father was Robert,b.c.1800 and Letitia's was William, b.c.1794. I am pretty sure that John had a younger brother, also Robert, and I have done extensive research on that family many of whom still live in Ardstraw.

Mary Ann's family came over to Manchester in the 1860's and lived in Hulme, her father and brother William were living with her and James in 1901. I can't find any trace of the other brother.

All the information I have on the Irvings I got from Davie Walker whose wife is an Irving. Mary Ann had 11 children! William. James, Annie, Alice, Jessie,Gilbert, Harold,Fred, Walter, Frank and John.

I haven't got around to uploading my tree to Ancestry yet, it is all on Genes Reunited at the moment but I will try and send you an attachment which you might be able to open if you have Family Tree Maker or something similar.

Hope this helps, I would really like to have more details about your family too.

Regards Joan

Re: Anna May Clark

Kfrioli — 2009-03-05 18:09:02Z

Dear Frank,
I am so very sorry it has taken so long. I recently received a message from another post and just logged on after...9 years!
How interesting! My father, John Irving was practically raised my his Aunt and Uncle Jim.....they'd had a falling out before her death and it was sad. My brother Jim is named after your brother James. Did your brother ever speak of my father Jack (John Irving Jr.)??
He is still living in Cape Coral, Florida, I live in St. Petersburg, Fl. Where are you?
I remember as a child visting her at her cottage on the ocean......

Thank you for writing, again I am sorry it has been so long,
Karen Irving Frioli

Re: trying to find william irving/berkshire/oxfordshire

sewalker3 — 2009-05-28 23:12:22Z

Hello
Am researching family of my cousin - her g grandfather was Jonathan irwin (b 1835 Swyncombe) and her gggg grandfather William Irwin (parish records seem to show that the name is also spelt Irving) you may have already got this far but have his aprents as John and Elizabeth Irwin...

Re: James Irving b 1850 Dumfriesshire

noblebar — 2008-11-28 03:24:30Z

I have stumbled on this site and noticed that my father had an older sister Helen Irving and their father was Walter Irving. They were from Massachusetts and in my research I think originally from New Hampshire. I don't know Helen Irving's married name - but they did have other brothers and sisters. Is this a coincidence or...? Reply when you can - thanks in California

Re: Anna May Clark

franan2 — 2009-03-06 12:45:49Z

Karen: Nice to hear from you. Jim McNulty was my father's younger brother. I remember meeting your father years age when he lived in Holyoke. i think your father went to Holyoke High School for one yesr. At the time I was in the Army but when I got out I recall a friend telling me about a cousin(your father) of mine and that he was a good baseball player and had played on the High School team.My email address is franan2@yahoo.com. Why don't you contact me and we can exchange information. Regards, Frank

Albert Irving, Brooklyn, NY

amethyst44tower — 2009-04-08 03:17:00Z

Looking for any relatives of Albert Irving, lived in Brooklyn, NY. Died around 1971-73, age 62 - was told he worked for Bklyn Union Gas Co., was married and had one son, who may have become a doctor. Anyone with info, please contact amethyst44tower@aol.com. Thanks.

BRUCE Mary IRVING 1907-1997

t42Moore — 2008-12-27 20:25:58Z

BRUCE Mary IRVING 1907-1997

I photographed this gravestone in the Moore Cemetery, Arlington,Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 199,453 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com .

If you know more about this person please reply here,instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family.

Re: James oldham irving

abesapien — 2008-11-28 21:09:53Z

Hi James Oldham is my GGGGGrandfather I would love any information any one has on him and his father David Irving also if there are any photos of james and his family

Re: Irving, Stockbridgehall farm

margrace — 2009-04-24 15:10:10Z

Thanks Trevor, that is great
Margaret

Irving, Stockbridgehall farm

margrace — 2009-04-23 00:24:00Z

My great grandparents Robert Irving and Janet Carruthers were living at Stockbridgehall Farm in the 1841 census. Would they have been tenant farmers? In the 1851 census they were living at Quaas Loaming farm south of Lockerbie which they seemed to own. Does anyone know anything about these farms, I know the four lane highway goes over Quaas Loaming.

W. H. Irving commits suicide

maryachtrh — 2009-04-01 21:55:47Z

Appears in the Terrell Times-Star, Terrell, Kaufman County, Texas, 4 August 1893 ...

He Was Tired of Life

Chicago, Illinois, July 28 - Tired of life, W. H. Irving, of St. Winthrop Beach, Massachusetts, committed suicide some time Wednesday night or early yesterday morning on the lake shore. The method used was horrible and most revolting. A partly filled can of powder by his side and his torn mangled face indicated that he had filled his mouth with powder and then probably with a lighted match has caused it to explode. Irving left a note stating that he was out of work and was tired of life; to notify his wife at St. Winthrope Beach, Massachusetts, but not to send her his body, as she had no money with which to bury it.

Re: Irving, Bernard

MichelleDalton1963 — 2009-02-11 11:45:28Z

Hello, I am the daughter of Bernard Vincent Irving and Shirley Senior from Melbourne, Victoria.

I have been looking for my father and his son Colin (not Steven) for many years without luck. I know this:

Bernard lived in Melbourne and did not marry my mother as she was very young. She was 16 when she had me. I was born 27 Dec 1963 in Melbourne. I know Bernard came from Cleethorpes (UK) or Grimsby... North England and loved to deep see fish. Is this who you are looking for?

Regards
Michelle Tovas (Irving)Glasshouse Mountains, Queensland. Aust (E: michellet@idsi.com.au)

Re: Donald J. Irvin

margamal — 2009-07-02 11:26:08Z

hi again,

Interesting story. I have a pic of my father's cousin in San Diego around 1942. Should be easy to see if they are the same.

My father's mother and his mother were sisters (Krener). They were from the Bronx. Both families later moved to Rockland County, NY.

My Donald's parents are buried at St. Anthony's Cemetery in Nanuet, NY

Re: DONALD J. IRVING

margamal — 2009-07-02 11:17:08Z

My father had a cousin named Donald Irving. Not sure if he is still alive but I could look into it.

what is your interest?

Re: DONALD J. IRVING

margamal — 2009-07-03 20:18:16Z

Ok,

If you ever decide that the -g belongs there after all, contact me since mine is a Donald J. (b.c1923)

Re: DONALD J. IRVING

margamal — 2009-07-03 01:21:25Z

email me

genebuff@mac.com

Re: Robert Irving - Mary Carruthers, Cumberland, England

joanolusanya — 2009-07-04 12:54:26Z

Hello Darlene,
I found the marriage of Robert Smith's daughter Margaret smith to Alex McLean in 1890.They had your correspondent Stuart Veitch Smith with them in Lochmaben in the 1901 census .Do you know which of the Smith sons was Stuart's father?
I think it must have been Margaret Ross' youngest sister,Barbara,who took cold feet when Margaret and her husband were emigrating as my ancestor Elizabeth Ross was married a few months before Margaret in 1854 and had already had my ggrandfather John Ross Little.Barbara never married as far as I can tell.
I'd very much like to have a photo of Margaret Marshall's parents.Do you mean William Marshall and Mary Little? I'll send my email address to your email.
Joan

Re: Robert Irving - Mary Carruthers, Cumberland, England

joanolusanya — 2009-06-30 08:59:24Z

Hi Darlene,
Thanks for the reply.I think the John Ross Smith you mention must be a descendent of Robert Smith and Jane Ross.Jane was the oldest child of John Ross and Margaret Carruthers.They had a son John Smith in 1845.
Mary Little was the daughter of Matthew Little and Elizabeth Ross,Margaret's younger sister.She married Matthew Marshall in Scotland and two of their daughters married John Hervey (not at the same time!)and lived in Alberta.A son Matthew Marshall died in Ontario.
If you come across any reference to the Ross/Carruthers family in Lochmaben I'd love to hear and I'm wondering whether your tree is online at all.I have a photo of Matthew Little and Elizabeth Ross taken around 1890 which I can send if you like.
Joan

Re: Robert Irving - Mary Carruthers, Cumberland, England

joanolusanya — 2009-06-20 19:33:00Z

Hi Treequester,
I've just come across your 2006 post regrding Margaret Ross and William Irving who emigrated from Lochmaben,Dumfriesshire to Illinois around 1856.I am descended from Margaret's sister Elizabeth Ross and would like to know more if possible about the information in the family bible you mentioned in the post.
Regards,
Joan

Re: Robert Irving - Mary Carruthers, Cumberland, England

joanolusanya — 2009-06-24 10:08:39Z

Hi (sorry I don't know your name),
My gggrandmother was Elizabeth Ross born 1833 in Lochmaben ,Dumfriesshire to John Ross and Margaret Carruthers.I've been searching for ages for a marriage for Elizabeth's sister Margaret Wright Ross,born 4-10-1829 and by chance came across the old posts by you and others on Rootsweb.In the last few days I've had a look at the Dumfriesshire censuses and figure that William Barton Irving,who married Margaret in 1855 and moved to Illinois ,was the son of Agnes Barton.Agnes was probably not married at the time(1830)-at least I can't find any marriage to a ? Irving.Sometime before 1836 she married Thomas Scott in Tinwald and had a son John in 1836 and your two sisters from the 1907 letter(Mrs Hunter and Miss Scott),Grace Scott born 1839 and Margaret Scott born 1841.Here is the family in Cowshaw,Tinwald in 1841:
John Barton 40 farmer(probably Agnes' brother)
Thomas Scott 25 agric.labourer
Agnes Scott 35
John Scott 4
Grace Scott 2
William Irving 10 Agric.labourer
Also in Cowshaw this family
David Carruthers 30
Mary Carruthers (nee Barton-Agnes' sister)
Agnes B.Carruthers 6
Thomas Carruthers 10 mths
and
Mary Barton 55 pauper
In 1851 in the same farm
Thomas Scott 34 head farm servant born Dryfesdale
Agnes Scott wife 49 born Tinwald
John Scott 14 son born Tinwald
Margaret Scott 9 born Tinwald daughter scholar
and
Mary Barton cousin of Thomas Scott pauper formerly servant
Also in 1851 in North Cowshaw-household of John Barton,farmer
William Irving 20 farm servant
In St Mungo parish in the household of David Carruthers,
Grace Scott,niece of David Carruthers,scholar age 11 born Tinwald.
Agnes Barton -born 21-2-1802 in Tinwald to William Barton and Grisel Roddick
Margaret Scott married Robert Hunter 16-8-1867 in Tinwald and has only one child registered on Familysearch-Agnes Hunter 12-1-1869 Dumfries(the dressmaker daughter in your ancestor's 1907 letter).I can't find the Hunters in the 1881 census but found little Agnes age 12 with her aunt Grace in Hightown Cottage ,Tinwald.Back in 1871 she is also with her aunt Grace and Grace's father Thomas Scott in the same cottage so I'm wondering what was happening with the Hunter parents.
It looks like the Bartons ,Scotts and Carruthers were connected by earlier marriages but it's very difficult to trace them as the names are so common in Dumfriesshire.In 1861 Margaret Scott was a 19 year old dairymaid on the farm of James Carruthers (58 ,born Kirkmichael parish) and wife Maria.I'm assuming that James must be a brother of the David Carruthers who was also born Kirkmichael.Your William Barton Irving in Illinois named one of his children David Carruthers Irving.In the 1841 census ,in the next farm to Cowshaw-called Lingate- are William Barton age 50 wife Janet and various children including one called Irvine!
One comment on your post intrigued me-a descendent of my Elizabeth Ross ,Jemima Marshall,married a John Hervey in Lethbridge ,Alberta in 1912.After Jemima died ,John Hervey married Jemima's sister Ann Marshall in Raymond ,Alberta.You had something about a daughter of Mrs Hunter marrying a Hervey in Alberta.
Finally my big brick wall is John Ross,Margaret's father.I have no date or place of birth for him.He married Margaret Carruthers in Lochmaben one week before the arrival of the first child.A story in the family says he was a school master,that Margaret Carruthers family thought he was way beneath her and were against the marriage.After the marriage he farmed Broadleydyke farm in Lochmaben.Unfortunately he died sometime between the birth of Barbara Ross in 1837 and the 1841 census where Margaret Ross ( Carruthers) is marked as a widow.Margaret Carruthers was the daughter of Robert Carruthers who farmed Watchill in Lochmaben and Sarah Jardine.Sarah's father was William Jardine of Priesthead,so of the minor gentry.If you Google William Jardine of Priesthead you will get the House of Lords court case over his will(Cases decided in the court of Session) -he left his estate to his oldest daughter and her heirs and the other children,including Sarah went to court .I was hoping that your family bible might have given some information on John Ross.
Joan

Re: James Irving b 1850 Dumfriesshire

mrbear1701 — 2008-11-19 21:20:08Z

Thanks for the great info!
My grandfather was Walter, Mary Ann's 9th child; he married my grandmother, Elena, in Vladivostok, Russia. They had two children, Fred & Helen (my mother). Sometime in the 20's he was transferred to Harbin, China where he was killed during the Japanese invasion in the late 30's. The family (Elena, Fred & Helen) were sent to Australia, where mom met/married my dad (Hubert Dobson) during WWII. They had 4 children, older sister, myself, and two younger sisters.
I'm trying to put all this into something that I can upload; I have everything in a very old program -- Family Tree Maker -- and with over 700 individuals in the tree, I want to make sure whatever I get is compatible and the data will transfer automatically. I'd love anything you send ... keep in touch and I'll keep you updated, too!
Thanks,
Barry Dobson
mrbear1701@aol.com

Re: James Irving b 1850 Dumfriesshire

mrbear1701 — 2008-11-28 16:06:20Z

I don't know but I don't think it ties, easily, to my line. I say "easily" because everything seems to tie if you go back far enough!
James Irving & Mary Ann Crompton had many children; my grandfather was one of their sons, Walter, but he never came to this country. He went into the foreign service and was in both Russia (where he married my grandmother and his two children, Fred & Helen were born) and China, where he was transferred during/as a result of the Russian Revolution. He was killed there during the Japanese invasion and the family was transferred to Australia. That's where my mother, Helen, met my father, Hubert Dobson. They married during WWII; my oldest sister was born there (1945) and they then moved to the mid-West (Illinois). Lots of travels after that!
While I can track some of the Dobson family back to Massachusetts (through a Wentworth family line), I don't have any record of the Irving line there.
Hope that helps, and thanks for the interest and info.

Re: James Irving b 1850 Dumfriesshire

mrbear1701 — 2008-11-28 16:06:11Z