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Nelson Ivy's children with Ruth Davis - TN & Tippah County, MS

mcigray — 2009-09-22 18:55:53Z

Nelson Ivy’s Children with Ruth Davis – Tn & Tippah County, Mississippi

Nelson Ivy was born around 1809 in Tennessee. He is believed to be a son of Phillip Ivy of Grainger/ Jefferson County, TN and a grandson of the Revolutionary Soldier Henry Ivy. Nelson Ivy is found in the 1830 census in Jefferson County, TN. He next appears in the 1841 Mississippi census in Tippah County.

1829 - From the LDS web site, Nelson Ivey married Ruth Davis on 7 May 1829, Jefferson County, TN.

1830 Census, Jefferson County, TN, official date June 1, 1830
Household 881
Nelson Ivy
1 male of 10 and under 15 [too old for Nelson's child, perhaps a brother?]
1 male of 20 and under 30 [Nelson Ivy would have been 21]
1 female under 5 [Nelson's child?]
1 female of 15 and under 20 [Nelson's wife - Ruth Davis]

1837 MS Tax List - Tippah County is not available

1840 US census - have not found Nelson Ivy
1841 Mississippi Census
Nelson Ivy, Tippah County, line 53, roll v229_3 (he is listed 2 males, 5 females)
(on ancestry.com it is image 6 of 11)

1845 MS State Census Index
Nelson Ivy, Tippah County, no township listed, page 053 (he is listed 3 males and 6 females)
(on ancestry.com, image 27 of 35)
Mary Ivy, Tippah County, Image 22 of 35, 1 male and 1 female
Total white population of Tippah County in 1845 was 724.
Note: Nelson had 1 boy and 1 girl born between 1841 and 1845.

1850 Census - have not been able to find Nelson Ivy

1859 - NELSON IVY married MARGARET BELL 10 Mar 1859 in Tippah County, MS

1860 US Federal Census, Southern Subdivision, Tippah Co., MS, 21 Aug 1860
House 1088, Family 1075
Nelson Ivy 51 M farmer 400 500 TN [born 1809]
Margret 40 F AL
Polina J. E. 13 F MS [born 1847 – mother was Ruth]
John P. 12 M MS [born 1848 – mother was Ruth]
Emily A. 6/12 F MS
Robert W. Bell 12 M MS [Margaret’s son by a previous marriage]

From the 1830 thru 1860 census information, it appears that Nelson Ivy had 3 sons and 6 daughters with his first wife Ruth Davis.

1 son born before 1841 – William Hamilton Ivy b. 17 Apr 1834 in TN
1 son born between 1841 and 1845
1 son born 1848 – John P. Ivy
4 daughters born before 1841(Malinda 1829 TN, Margaret ~1832 in TN, + 2 more)
1 daughter born between 1841 and 1845
1 daughter born 1847 – Polina J.E. Ivy

I believe William Hamilton Ivy (b. 17 Apr 1834 in TN – d. 11 Aug 1869 in Tippah County, MS) is the oldest son of Nelson Ivy. They are listed near each other in both the 1866 Mississippi census and the 1860 census. William Hamilton Ivy married Emily Whitten on 4 Nov 1858 in Tippah County, MS. In the 1870 census, Emily Ivy has Alphonso Bickers, 17, (Biggers) living with her and Nelson Ivy has Shirley Bickers (Biggers) living with him.

Alphonso and Julian “Shorty” Biggers are the sons of Margaret and Ezekial Biggers.
Ezekial Biggers married Margaret Ivey ~1850 in Tippah or Pontotoc County, MS. I believe Margaret Ivy, born ~1832-1835 in TN, is a daughter of Nelson Ivy. Alphonso and Julian Biggers are in Union County, MS in the 1880 census. In the 1900 census, they are in Fannin County, TX, along with Nelson’s son John P. Ivy.

1860 census, Tippah County, MS
Ezekall Biggers 37 SC
Margaret 25 TN [born 1835]
Fanzo 8 MS
Julian 4 MS

Families in 1860 census, Tippah County, MS
1092 – James F. Biggers and 2nd wife Susan King [1st wife was Malinda Ivy]
1095 – Nelson Ivy and 2nd wife Margaret Bell [1st wife was Ruth Davis]
1096 – Ezekial Biggers and Margaret Ivy
1100 – William Hamilton Ivy and Emily Whitten

From a tree posted on ancestry.com:
Malinda Ivy (b. 21 Nov 1829 – d.10 Nov 1857) married James Fowler Biggers on 12 Jul 1850. James F. Biggers married Susan King on 10 Jul 1859 in Tippah County, MS. In the 1860 census of Tippah County, MS, James F. Biggers is listed 3 families away from Nelson Ivy. I think Malinda Ivy is probably one of Nelson Ivy’s daughters. I have sent an email to the tree owner for more information. There is a problem with Malinda’s birth (if it is correct), it is only 7 months after Nelson’s marriage (7 May 1829).

If anyone has more information on Nelson Ivy and his children or can confirm the information listed, I would really appreciate it.
Connie Ivy Gray

Re: Ivy/Ivies in Leake Co.,Ms

marshaaivey17 — 2009-09-11 03:51:54Z

My new address is marsha.ivey@att.net.

IVY I W Ish 1925-1979

t42MountOlivet — 2009-09-07 19:19:05Z

IVY I W Ish 1925-1979

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Re: Ivy in Mississippi

Daveivy58 — 2009-08-22 22:17:44Z

I have a little info on Narcissa Ivy Please e-mail me Jdaveivy@bellsouth.net she was married to Anson Lancaster in 1861 his second her first Anson was previously married to Ann Sebella Ivy in 1850 she died in child birth. Anson died at age 34 in 1870. Narcissa and kids about 8 kids moved to Choctaw County MS some time beween 1870 and 1880 she shows up on 1880 census in Choctaw County.

African American Grand parents:Bessie Iv(e)y, b. 1830, and Essex Mathews b. 1829, NC

AliceFerguson44 — 2009-08-09 11:09:33Z

Bessie m. Essex Mathews, NC. GG grandma Bessie, died before 1900 and GG grandpa Essex was a Turpentine Worker and died after the 1900 census. No more info on the birth of either person. Both died in Rose Hill, Duplin County, NC.

Does anyone know who the parents of the above ancestors were?
Don't know what year they marrried, but I have names of some of their children:
Betsy b. 1850, Duplin Co. NC
Rhoda b. 1857, "
Laura b. 1875,
Kate b. 1879
Colister b. 1880
Matida (Matt) b.1882

There some grandchildren living in the household also. can someone help me find these ancestors? Before 1900 I could not find any records on this family in Duplin County. What happened to the records?

Alice West Ferguson
GG granddaughter

Re: IVY'S New Albany, MS Area

starksjess — 2009-08-06 02:03:54Z

Hello Kristy,
It is nice to find another relative. What kind of information do you have on your family? Email me at starksjess@yahoo.com

Re: IVY'S New Albany, MS Area

angelee24 — 2009-08-05 19:07:00Z

hi my name is kristy rutherford and i am the grand daughter of dock ivy whose fsther was will ivy and grandfather was andy ivy please contact me. we are cousins

Re: IVY'S New Albany, MS Area

angelee24 — 2009-08-05 19:03:44Z

hi my name is kristy and i am your cousin my mom is katherine smith the daughter of dock ivy the will ivy the grandson of andy ivy who is silas ivy's son

IVY Roy L 1894-1965

t42RoseHill — 2009-07-03 03:22:54Z

IVY Roy L 1894-1965

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IVY Annie 1897-1934

t42RoseHill — 2009-07-03 03:20:20Z

IVY Annie 1897-1934

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Re: william a ivy

wjhonson_98 — 2009-07-03 02:18:08Z

I asked you several questions. Do you have answers for the others? What makes you think this family is related to Arkansas in any way?

Re: william a ivy

meagain200501 — 2009-07-02 20:54:59Z

william a. ivy b.november 20,1860 d.may 28,1943 ; mary f. ivy b.june 17,1865 d.december 27,1936 they are both buried in mississippi, i believe its quitman county, all i know its between clarksdale and marks miss. in a cemetary off the back roads.

Re: william a ivy

wjhonson — 2009-07-01 18:35:10Z

We can help you, but please provide the town, county and state where William A Ivy died. Also the town, county and state where his wife Mary died, and the town county and state where they were married. And the marriage date if you know it.

The town county and state where John A Ivy was born if you know it.

Any and all of this would help us to locate the family exactly.

william a ivy

meagain200501 — 2009-07-01 15:41:29Z

looking for relatives, history, anything related to a william a ivy, born 11/20/1860 d.5/28/1943. married mary f. b. 6/17/1865 d. 12/27/1936. dont know how many children only know of 1 son, john a. ivy b.10/7/1902 d.4/27/1944 married louise turner b.12/12/1912 still living. family is possibly all from mississippi.

Re: I believe I belong to this family........

sherryparhamcriss — 2009-06-26 15:37:29Z

Hi Toy, this is such a pleasure. I am the granddaughter of Maggie Ivy-Parham who was the sister of Toy Ivy. She was also in the group of children born to Andy and Dilsie Ivy. I reside in Peoria, Illinois. Please email me at sherrycriss@hotmail.com.

Re: I believe I belong to this family........

Pepper01 — 2009-06-24 21:39:01Z

Hi Toy,
It is very nice to meet you.... What other information do you have? I want to know all you know Smile....

Re: I believe I belong to this family........

myw859 — 2009-06-22 05:48:25Z

Hello, I am Toy Ivy great granddaughter(Andy Ivy and Dilcy Rogers are Toy's parents) and I live in Lexington, KY.

Re: Ivy Family

myw859 — 2009-06-22 05:35:46Z

Hi, We may be related. My great grandfather was Toy Ivy whose father was Andy Ivy from the second marriage to Dilcy Rogers.

Re: Nelson Ivy/william Hamilton Ivy

posm1 — 2009-05-22 22:22:09Z

Dear Will,
I am NOT purposely ignoring your query. I have just been busy. Casper is not that uncommon a name, but would be rare in this time and place at least in my own experience. Jasper is not that uncommon a name at either, but was apparently NOT a common name in Grainger County in the early days. I don't think I have encountered a Jasper.
Anyway it has NOT been my experience that the transcriber of the 1799 Grainger County,Tennessee tax list, Pollyanna Creekmore, made a lot of errors. Pollyanna Creekmore, longtime archivist at the McClung died May 3rd (a researcher on a list I am on sends Grainger County obituaries to the list. I exclaimed to my husband that Pollyanna Creekmore had died. A non-genealogist he was not too excited by this information!) It was Creekmore's 1810 Grainger County, Tennessee census transcription that I was referring to when we were discussing the 1810 Grainger, Tennessee census. From your online information I gather you were referring to Pat Spurlock Elder?? This census is apparently now online at Ancestry. NOT digital imagesjust a database. I found it in a search on Sarah Mournin. I have been meaning to look up who did the transcription, but haven't gotten around to it.
As I have said on Ivy, Ivey lists before before I have so far NOT examined the original tax lists. When I send boring little reports to the lists (Henry Ivey or Ivey is listed on the 1799 tax list or the 1805 tax list, the 1814 tax list etc.), I ALWAYS include my sources which are generally either which are NOT the original tax lists. My information on the 1805 Grainger County tax lists comes from Leaves From the Family Tree a common resource in genealogy libraries (like Iveys in the United States published by the Southern Historical Press of Hickory North Carolina). My information from 1822 Grainger County taxlist is from a two part series which appeared in Anserchin in 1985. My reference for the 1814 tax list is the WPA transcription. I have the WPA typescripts on film, my first genealogical puchase many long years ago. Although I hate dealing with short skinny microfilm, I have been meaning to take this film somewhere and look at it. Baxter's will apparently vanished when the vault at the Grainger Courthouse flooded. Re "Ezra" Ivy, or Zera Ivy, I still am curious as to whether I or the WPA transcriber was dyslexic :):)
I understand that the original tax lists are in are in the McClung collection. I am a very long way for the McClung:):)
It is possible that some of the tax lists might have been filmed (I should check out The FamilySearch website), but it has been several years since I have been to the Family History Center in St. Joe.
Anyway the transcription I was referring to was done by Pollyanna Creeekmore. I prefer Mary Barnet Curtis or Pollyanna Creekmore to Byron Sistler since I like the listings according to the Captain's Companies. My favorite is Pollyanna Creekmore, however, I haven't found a substantial difference In Curtis's transcription. Curtis's transcription of the 1799 Grainger County tax list also lists the mystery Weston as CASPER. As I said I don't have the information from Sistler, but am hoping to get to the genealogy society in St. Joe since I am reasonably certian that Sistler contains an earlier Hawkins County tax list which would predate the creation of Grainger County to check for Weston or Western.
I consider Creekmore very reliable although you are correct, original documents are best. However the original documents stored in the old schoolhouse when the vault in the basement of the Grainger County flooded have finally been rescured by a determined group of archivists and have been filmed by the LDS so if I can get to the FHC the first films I will be ordering in will probably NOT be film of the original tax lists even if they are available.

Gail

Re: Nelson Ivy/william Hamilton Ivy

posm1 — 2009-05-19 23:41:54Z

Dear Teresa,
Baxter's "first" family ie. step children were James, William and Pleasant Western or Weston. Baxter's children by Nancy ?? were David, Elisha, Zera and Nancy Ivy. Some researchers believe that Nancy's maiden name was Magee. I have never found any proof of this, but Baxter (Backster)'s will named Zera MaGee as executor of the estate.

Since census information indicates that the Western or Weston brothers were born in Tennessee (not North Carolina or Virginia) the only available candidate for Nancy Ivey or Ivy's first husband that I can find is one Caspar Weston listed on the 1799 Grainger County, Tennessee tax list. I have never found a marriage record, but I think they would have been married when Grainger County was still Hawkins and these marriage records are missing. I have been unable to find ANY information on Caspar except for this tax list.

Gail

Re: Nelson Ivy/william Hamilton Ivy

posm1 — 2009-04-22 03:20:33Z

I do not have any information on any of the Nelson's deaths so far. I know of him only through his possible connection to Martha and Elisha. As I said I have long believed the other Nelson of Tippah County, Mississippi is more likely Phillip's son.

Re: Nelson Ivy/william Hamilton Ivy

posm1 — 2009-04-15 03:51:34Z

Dear Teresa,
I must have missed this one. What were your Nelson's middle initials??
Gail

Re: Nelson Ivy/william Hamilton Ivy

posm1 — 2009-04-15 03:44:53Z

Dear Connie,
:)I will talk to you later then after you are less busy. I too probably need to refresh my memory. I think you and I and Teresa's messages are probably confusing everyone who is reading the message board about the TWO Nelsons. Also Teresa's Nelson appears to be connected to Elisha Ivy, Baxter, Vardaman etc. Their proximity in Grainger County, Tennessee with my Henry (and possibly your Henry) is confusing enough:):)

However, I AM going to ask Teresa what her Nelson's middle initials were possibly just to add to the confusion. (I must have missed this.) One of the reasons I believe your Nelson is the strongest candidate for being Phillip's son and Henry's grandson is that according to your own information William H.Ivy's middle name was Hamilton. As far as I can see Henry Ivy or Ivey the revolutionary war veteran had no middle name. Middle names were very uncommon before the Revolution. Anyway although I don't know the origin of the name Hamilton, it appears as middle name in Henry's descendants. Henry Ivy, Benjamin's oldest son as far as I can see didn't have a middle name or at least not that I know of. He was probably nmaed for his grandfather. Since he was the first son it is not as if Benjamin and Jane Mayes Ivy had run out of middle names:):), the second son, my great great grandfather, was the first John Hamilton Ivy (that I know of anyway). I have it that Benjamin Ivy, Thomas's son was Benjamin Hamilton. Despite the fact that his marriage bond says Benjamin Ivy, Jr. this is the old use of the word Junior meaning younger. My third great grandfather, Benjamin Ivy) had NO son named Benjamin. There used to be some confusion about this,but I assume or HOPE that everyone has gotten this straightened out by now. Anyway although I do NOT know the origin of the name Hamilton it appears as a name in Henry Ivey (of Grainger County, Tennessee) or Ivy's line.
Gail

Re: Nelson Ivy/william Hamilton Ivy

posm1 — 2009-04-14 02:33:24Z

Dear Connie,
Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you. I been trying to find your Nelson on the 1850 Mississippi census again. I have searched on every permutation I could think of for this family on the 1850 Mississippi census Polina, Ruth, Nelson, etc. I have also checked all the variations I could think of that I have ever found Ivy, Ivie, Ivey, Iva, Ira (this is usually an indexing error). I have actually tried all this before. It would be REALLY helpful to locate your Nelson on the 1850 census. Maybe the census taker just missed them!!

However, one thing that has always puzzled me is WHO is Sarah Ivy aged 70 born VA, whose household includes Sarah L. Ivy age 30 and Margaret J. Ivy age 28 both born TENNESSEE listed on the 1860 Tippah County census? Phillip Ivy married Lydia Daniel in 1801 in Grainger County. Before you ask I don't know who Lydia was. She is NOT a daughter of Edward Daniel, Sr. who left that most convenient thing, a will in which all the children are listed. I am sitting here looking at a large manila envelope containing a scanned copy of this will which I promised to send to a Daniel researcher two weeks ago I easily located said will (SURPRISE!!) scanned it and have never gotten around to taking it to the post office. Lydia would have been too old to have been one of the son's daughters. I think she must be connected to Francis ?, ? Daniel can't remember all this stuff right off the top of my head :):). Francis and the ?s are believed to be closely associated with the Edward Daniel family who came from Henry County, VA. (There is the Henry County connection again)! However, it could just be this area outside present day Morristown was settled by my Mayes and the Daniels and Martha Ivy and her children of the Henry/ Patrick County Virginia/Ivys AND the OTHER IVYS my Iveys/Ivys and possibly your Ivys,Howells and the other families who came from Orange County, North Carolina. In all these years I can find NO connection between Elisha Ivey or Ivy's widow, Martha and her children and Henry Ivy except proximity after they moved to the Grainger/Jefferson Tennessee area (that section of Grainger and Jefferson Counties that would be Hamblen County today).

Sarah, of course, may be totally unconnected to Nelson and William (Hamilton). She is located some distance from Nelson and William H's households. Frankly one of the more trying things :):) about Ivy/Ivey research is the way that various Iveys or Ivys tend to arrive at the same place at about the same time. These families MAY be connected, but if they are the connection is eluding me (and other researchers). Take for example the 1850 Decatur County, Tennessee census. I am reasonably convinced that Phillip Ivy (occupation Methodist minister) is Phillip's son, James Western Baxter Ivy's stepson has moved to Decatur County by 1850 (but as I've said I have NEVER found a connection between my Henry and Elisha), there are also other Ivys who came from North Carolina (one of the households includes a child named Kinchen so I would hazard a guess that his family is descended from or connected to the family of Benjamin Ivy of Randolph County North Carolina who "remembered" his son "Kinchen" in his will unless this child's parents just particularly LIKED the name Kinchen):):):)

I still think there is a strong likelihood that your Nelson IS Phillip's son and I think Teresa's Nelson is more likely connected to Elisha, Peter Ivy, Francis, Hardy Ivy etc. According to Bob Baird IMHO opinion the greatest living expert on the Colonial Ivys/Iveys/Ivies these Ivys would descend from the Benjamin Ivey whose will was proven in Brunswick County 26 January 1795.

It seems to me that TERESA'S Nelson would be connected to this family although I am not sure how!
Gail

Re: Nelson Ivy/william Hamilton Ivy

posm1 — 2009-04-14 02:29:35Z

Re: Nelson Ivy/william Hamilton Ivy

posm1 — 2009-04-11 23:50:03Z

I too believe that your Nelson is most likely Phillip's Nelson. The question is HOW to prove it??!! I just got done printing out a long and very dull research report entitled Descendants of Henry and Jane Howells Ivy and frankly I find my information on Phillip Ivy or Ivey to be pretty sparse.

I would say that the reason I think that your Nelson is Phillip's son so is locality, locality, etc. which is why I have been long convinced based both on the work of other researchers and my own thoughts that the OTHER Nelson is connected to the line of Francis, Hardy Ivy, Elisha Ivey, Peter Ivey etc. (the Patrick and Henry County Virginia Iveys). OTOH as Will, the researcher who responded to the OTHER Nelson Ivy query, once pointed out Martha, Elisha's widow, and her sons Vardaman and Baxter (Henry County, VA Ivys) and our Ivys (this is going out on a limb, but I do believe your Ivys are my Ivys) lived in extremely close proximity after they moved to Grainger County, Tennessee (this sort of contradicts this whole locality, locality!!! thing doesn't it?) Nevertheless and this may seem purely arbitrary I think your Nelson is Phillip's son and I am NOT convinced that Elisha, Martha, Vardaman and Baxter are connected or at least all that CLOSELY connected to our??? line.

Tomorrow is Easter and I may not have that much time, but I will try to find time to ferret out whatever information I have on Phillip and (check your notes too) and maybe we can come up with something.

Gail

Re: Nelson Ivy/william Hamilton Ivy

posm1 — 2009-04-11 18:27:41Z

Dear Teresa,

You are Correct!! I AM CONFUSED!! It was John Ivie who married Elizabeth Wells (Bond issued 19 August 1816).

John W. Ivy who married Susannah Wells (Bond ssued 10 October 1815)

Nelson Ivy who married Catherine T. Wells (Bond Issued 16 September 1846)

Do You know who Baker, Sterling and William Wells were?

Gail

Re: Nelson Ivy/william Hamilton Ivy

posm1 — 2009-04-11 18:09:36Z

Dear WILL,
I am quite certain that you probably know something about this family. Maybe we are all trying to keep too much Ivy/Ivy/Ivey data in our heads. Possibly you could check your information and I will check mine. Anyway I believe that the Ivy/ Wells marriages are online either at the Henry County website or the Henry County database at Ancestry and it would probably be easier for me to check than to try and find my files which may be in my file drawers OR in the lage piles on either side of my computer.:):)

Gail

Gail

Re: Nelson Ivy/william Hamilton Ivy

posm1 — 2009-04-11 17:52:59Z

Dear Teresa,
I believe that I am the researcher that posted the message that you responded too since I received a notification from Roots Web. I have no idea why I am anonymous. :) I AM now getting CONFUSED. I have it that it was JOHN Ivy that married Catherine Wells. (I think I have this information somewhere in my files). Unless there were TWO Catherine Wells. I have long believed that these Iveys, Ivys, Ivies were connections of Elisha Ivy of Henry County and his sons Vardaman and Baxter. I believe that genetic testing has proved this to be true. (I will check the Ivey DNA site). Anyway after a quick check of a list that Will and I are on I couldn't find this information. Also over the last few years I decided to trace Baxter Ivey or Ivy's sons and stepsons. I posted this information to a list that Will and I are on. This list would be archived, but it is pretty rude to suggest that you check the archives ESPECIALLY since I can't find this information myself at least in the time I have to devote to this task at the moment. However, I save all my sent mail (a practice that drives my husband crazy) and this may be an easier way to locate my correspondence. So far the only piece of information I have been able to find is an email posted by the man who is probably the greatest living expert on the colonial Iveys, Ivys, Ivies and he is of the opinion and I concur that Elisha, the John W. Ivey (who married Susannah Wells) are all connected) and the John W. Ivey who Married Elizabeth Wells. I need to get this information back in my head again. Anyway I am REASONABLY certain that a descendant of one of Baxter's sons has submitted a sample of his DNA and that genetic testing indicates that he is pretty closely connected with the Ivies or Ivys that intermarried with the Wells. (The Henry and Patrick County Virginia Ivys). Be back later.

Gail "not anymous" Roorda

Re: Nelson Ivy/william Hamilton Ivy

wjhonson — 2009-04-11 05:05:16Z

I might have made a mistake. The Nelson Ivey living in Rockingham County, NC in the 1850 census with a wife Nancy, apparently has a marriage bond in that same county 15 years earlier to a Nancy J Harris. So this would appear to be them.

Re: Nelson Ivy/william Hamilton Ivy

wjhonson — 2009-04-11 04:50:48Z

Your Nelson Ivey of Patrick Co, VA had a first wife. In the 1840 census, he is living there with her and their three children. You might try to find another marriage record for him, earlier.

I don't know if they moved to Surrey County, but in 1850 they are living in Rockingham County, NC. In that census your Elizabeth (I presume this is her) is already 2 years old.

What documentation do you have for Elizabeth yourself?

Will Johnson

Re: Nelson Ivy/william Hamilton Ivy

wjhonson — 2009-04-23 03:21:29Z

How were you able to determine that William Hamilton was a son of this Nelson Ivey ?

Re: Nelson Ivy/william Hamilton Ivy

wjhonson — 2009-05-20 00:44:15Z

I'm interested in what you might have on your Zara Magee.

Also I'd like to suggest that instead of the name "Caspar" Weston, that his name might have been "Jasper" Weston and the transcriber just couldn't read it.

Do you have a photocopy of the actual primary document?

Re: ivy/ivey/harrelson/owens

pameladwhite — 2009-05-01 06:13:18Z

Yes, I am Clay and Velma's youngest child. Both of my parents are deceased. The last time I saw Benoy was at the funeral of my father's uncle and for the life of me I cannot remember his name. They went to the senior center in Concord all the time together.

I'll write you this weekend when I have some time to put more together. I don't have the info from Loreen yet.

Re: Nelson Ivy/william Hamilton Ivy

teresavest_1 — 2009-05-18 01:53:31Z

Gail,

I was just re-reading your email posted (to Connie). I was wondering if you could clarify if Nelson Ivy (one of them) is mentioned in Baxter's will and if he was actually Baxter's stepson? At some point during these postings I think I remember something about a possibility of Baxter being one of the Nelson's step father. But maybe I am off base on that one. Did Nancy and Baxter Ivy have a son named Nelson?

Thank you,
Teresa

Re: Nelson Ivy/william Hamilton Ivy

teresavest_1 — 2009-04-21 14:44:36Z

To Gail or anyone else on the Board:

Does anyone have any knowledge at all of "Nelson Ivy's" death? any of them?

Thanks,
Teresa

Re: Nelson Ivy/william Hamilton Ivy

teresavest_1 — 2009-04-15 16:59:50Z

According to his marriage bond to Catherine Wells it was W (Nelson W Ivy), but on one of the census' in NC in Surry County, 1860 it looks like he is N.W.P. Ivy. Also his daughter's death certificate, my Great Grandmother Elizabeth Ivy Johnson it says her Father was born in Tenn.

And again, I know this is very confusing, any Indian relationshipt that you or Connie know about?

Teresa

Re: Nelson Ivy/william Hamilton Ivy

teresavest_1 — 2009-04-11 04:27:16Z

I was just reading your emails and I thought I might respond. I am not sure but I don' believe I have responded before. Nelson Ivy is definitely a hard person to track. I have been tracking my Nelson since 1982 or so. My Great Grandmother was Elizabeth Ivy (Johnson) born in NC in 1852. Some people say she had a brother and some say not. But we were told that her father died and her Mother remarried in 1860 or so. Her Father and Mother were Nelson Ivy and Catherine Wells (Ivy) married in Patrick County, VA in 1846. They then moved to Surry County, NC and had Elizabeth but after that I could never find his connection. And I could never find how he died or where. I also thought, since a few years ago, he was Phillip's son from TN. ON my Great Greandmother's death certificate, her father's name was N.W.P. Ivy (possibly for William and Phillip), and in the Marriage document, he signed his name as Nelson W. Ivy. I thought maybe he was in the Civil War, but I could never find him. I looked up Catherine's father'w will in VA once and saw that he pretty much wrote her out of his will and left property to his other children. We have always been told he was part Indian and most definitely have the characteristics. Elizabeth, his daughter looks to be 1/4 or 1/2 Indian. Do any of you know of an Indian connection? I know that Bell is most definitely a Cherokee name. Could it be that he left Catherine to return to his Cherokee roots? I also found Phillip Ivy's name on a document once saying he fought in the Cherokee/Creek war in one of the TN companies who helped Andrew Jackson with the Battle of Horshoe Bend.
Any information would be helpful.
Thank you,
Teresa Vest
Confused in Georgia

Re: Nelson Ivy/william Hamilton Ivy

teresavest_1 — 2009-04-12 23:58:05Z

Well Thanks so much Gail (and everyone), I do so appreciate all your help. I sort of agree with you Gail about my Nelson being Phillip's son. I know the spelling may not mean anything exactly, but my Nelson signed his last name on the marriage document as IVY- no E. But anyway, this Nelson guy is a hard one to run down. Apparently, from what I have read, he has been a pain to everyone. I do know that Nelson Ivy (whichever one) was my Great-Great Grandfather and he was married to Catherine Wells in 1846- which happened in Henry County, VA. But Catherine's family was from the Henry County area (They were Wells and Tarpleys). I also know that Nelson and Catherine (Caty) lived in Surry County, NC and that their daughther Elizabeth, my Great Grandmother-who I have a picture of was born in 1852 in Surry County, NC. We always heard he died, but I could not find any information about that at all, and believe me I have been tracing him for years. Catherine married a man with the last name Niston in 1859 and her grave is in the same area just over the VA line. I actually went and visited some of the Niston family and confirmed some of the same things except they didn't know when or where he died- if he did so while they were married. I am beginning to wonder now if he just left or divorced her and they didn't want to acknowledge that. But anyway, it was documented that he was born in NC and also TN, so I was not positive of that. Elizabeth Ivy married Levi Johnson and they lived in East Tennessee. Our family are from the TN/NC/VA corrider and have stayed that way.

But here is the big question I have to any of my Ivy/Ivey relatives: Does anyone know of any Native American blood in any of their Nelson Ivy's family? Ours is definitely there, but not sure where it originated. I also took a DNA test, which did not test for Eastern Tribes, except Lumbee- of which had the same DNA as me in a big way. But in saying that, it did show up that my Deep ancesteral DNA was partly Amerindian and tri-racial- with White and Hispanic roots.
But we don't really know of any Hispanic link unless the Spanish mixed with the Native Americans in the SE.

Sorry, I didn't mean to go so long on that one. And you are correct Gail, the proving thing of which Nelson is mine, is what is driving me crazy.

Thanks to everyone,
Teresa

Re: Nelson Ivy/william Hamilton Ivy

teresavest_1 — 2009-04-14 15:27:20Z

I wonder if possibly the problem with my Nelson are his middle initial(s) and maybe that is causing more confusion. But all the time I see people researching any Nelson Ivy, I have yet to find anyone with death information on him, anywhere.

Also, does anyone at all have any links with any Nelson Ivys and the Native Americans. I have other distant Johnson cousins who are related to Nelson Ivy the same way I am and there are similar Indian stories passed down to them and their characteristics are the same as ours. But I cannot find that for certain either.

African American Bessie Ivy b. 1835, NC

AliceFerguson44 — 2009-06-20 15:08:58Z

My g g grandmother was Bessie Ivy b. 1830, NC. I have nothing more on her origin. She married Essex Mathews b. 1829, NC. I first found them in the 1900 Census, nothing before that. Both at the time lived in Rose Hill,Duplin County, NC where they were enumarated with children and grandchildren living with them. I have names of some of the children and they are: Laura (my gr grandmother), Rhoda or Rhody, Matilda (Aunt Matt) and Betsy Mathews.
Has anyone heard of this family. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Alice West Ferguson

Re: Ivy/Ivey from Tennessee

ivyvine17 — 2009-06-08 01:51:21Z

I have a Talley-Ivy connection in Williamson and Davidson Counties TN.
Sarah J. Talley b.1834 daughter of James M. Talley & Mary Crenshaw married Allen Canady b 1831 Davidson Co TN, son of Joseph Canady and Jane (Jencey) Ivey. She was b. 1805 Davidson Co Tn to John & Nancy Prichard Ivey. Some of this Canady family were in Williamson Co TN. Perhaps these Ivy/Talley families are related to your line.

Family Tree connection - Ham - Ivy/Ivey/Ivie/Ives

phishingphool — 2009-04-20 15:08:03Z

Does anyone have a connection between Rebecca Ivie/Ivy/Ivey/Ives, b. Sep 1808, married to John S. Ham, b. abt 1816, living in Williamson County, Tennessee in the 1850/60/70/80's. With daughter Mary E. Ham, b.1845., married to James Wesley Inman in Feb 1864.
Rich Denton

IVY Addie and Leroy M

t42RoseHill — 2009-05-07 14:35:45Z

IVY Addie and Leroy M

I photographed this gravestone in the (Shannon) Rose Hill Cemetery, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 203,355 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com .

If you know more about this person please reply here,instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family.

Re: Crawford & Eugene Ivy, MS>AR

Odessa_Clayton — 2009-05-27 19:35:46Z

I am also searching for this family. Do you know what happened to there mother Emma? She was living in AR on the 1920 census.

Re: Nelson Ivy/william Hamilton Ivy

mcigray — 2009-04-23 02:08:42Z

The Nelson Ivy in Tippah County, Mississippi died after 1870 - that is the last census listing for him.

Nelson Ivy was listed in the 1841 MS (Tippah County) census with 2 males and 5 females.

Nelson Ivy was listed in the 1845 MS (Tippah County) census with 3 males and 6 females.

Of the children born by 1845, the only one I have been able to identify is William Hamilton Ivy born 17 Apr 1831 in TN and died 11 Aug 1869 MS. Nelson has another son born between 1841 and 1845.

Re: Nelson Ivy/william Hamilton Ivy

mcigray — 2009-04-24 00:24:19Z

I have no documentation that William Hamilton Ivy is the son of Nelson Ivy, it is all circumstantial evidence.

1858 – William Hamilton Ivy married Emily Whitten on the 4 Nov 1858 in Tippah County, MS

1859 - NELSON IVY married MARGARET BELL 10 Mar 1859 Tippah County, MS

In the 1860 census, William Hamilton Ivy and Emily Whitten are listed between their fathers.
1860 US Federal Census, Southern Subdivision, Tippah Co., MS, 21 Aug 1860
Family 1095
Nelson Ivy 51 M farmer 400 500 TN [born 1809]
Margret 40 F AL [Margaret Bell]
Polina J. E. 13 F MS
John P. 12 M MS
Emily A. 6/12 F MS
Robert W. Bell 12 M MS
[Note: Robert W. Bell is Margret's child by a previous marriage.]
Family 1100
William H. Ivy 26 TN
Emily 24 Ala [Emily Whitten]
Margret 1 MS [was she named after William's stepmother or his sister??]
Family 1104
Elijah Whitten 50 SC [father of Emily Whitten]

Also in the 1860 Tippah County Census
Family 1096
Ezekall Biggers 37 SC
Margret 25 TN [b.1835]
I wonder if this is one of Nelson’s daughters. In the 1870 census, Nelson has Sherley Bickers 14 male in his household.
When I was about 10, I can remember my Grandmother Ivy and my Father talking about a Biggers or Bickers family. I have not been able to find a marriage record for Ezekall Biggers or Bickers.

Re: Nelson Ivy/william Hamilton Ivy

mcigray — 2009-04-14 23:09:50Z

Hi Gail,
Thank you for the run down on the families. I too have wondered about the Sarah Ivy 70 b. 1790 in VA in the 1860 Tippah County, MS census. I was never able to backtrack on Sarah. However, now that the TN marriage records are on ancestry.com, I may try to see which Sarahs married an Ivy/Ivey between 1805 and 1830. If anyone can identify and place this Sarah, it would be most helpful.

Back to Nelson, I looked at every page of the 1850 Tippah County census a while back and he just isn't listed. There are some Ivys in Pontatoc County, MS, who I think may be related to Nelson. I need to go back and look at all of this again, but I don't have time right now.

I will be back in touch in a few weeks when I have had time to regroup and refresh my memory. I'm working some long hours right now.
Many Thanks for the info,
Connie

Re: Nelson Ivy/william Hamilton Ivy

mcigray — 2009-04-11 19:14:14Z

I do believe we have two different Nelson Ivys. I posted the information about Nelson Ivy/William Hamilton Ivy in 2006. I am trying to document "my" Nelson Ivy is a son of Phillip Ivy and a grandson of Henry Ivy the Revolutionary War soldier. Phillip (Henry's son)was born in NC. Nelson was born in either Grainger or Jefferson County, TN about 1809. Nelson moved to Tippah County, MS. I have been successful in tracing some of his children, but am obviously missing some of the older children. I have not been able to find Nelson in the 1850 census. He is listed in the 1841 and 1845 MS census in Tippah County, MS.

Nelson married:
1. Ruth Davis on 7 May 1829 in Jefferson County, TN
2. Margaret Bell on 10 Mar 1859 in Tippah County, MS.
Any information concerning this Nelson Ivy would be greatly appreciated.
Connie Ivy Gray

Re: ivy/ivey/harrelson/owens

DanaIveyDenHerder — 2009-05-01 04:57:23Z

Wow! I was sooo excited to see your post. Is your mother Velma?

I would appreciate any info you can send me. It has been forever since I checked my email and I now can't wait to know who you are and what kind of history you have.

My email is dispatchgawdess@hotmail.com