Robert, I am your cousin Bette Lou, your Aunt Betty's daughter. Hope you remember me, I know it has been a long time. Don't know if you access this database now since your posting was was from last year. Thanks for the info, I have a daughter, 14, who has to do research from time to time and I never knew much about the Karge side except for Uncle Frank, Uncle Bob, and Aunt Mary. I have info on the Runyans that I think your father gave to my mom, let me know if you are interested in that.