Karner - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: KARNERs FROM AUSTRIA-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE

weberxsa — 2012-05-30 15:56:32Z

There does not appear to be a common ancestor in recorded history. I have a quite a bit of information from Wolfau village records that may have come from the Burgenland Bunch Newsletter. If you have not visited its site, you may want to do that as it is a wonderful resource. Here is some information you may find interesting.

Ab and Lavern Karner (OK relatives) twice visited Wolfau, Austria and the area where Michael Karner our immigrant Karner, came from. They visited excavations at Petronell and Deutsch Altenburg begun in 1852. Pettronell covers the Palace Ruins Roman complex constructed in the 4th Century AD and is located 32 miles east and a little south of Vienna. One of its buildings is called “Rundbau” (round building) and contains the KARNER. According to history the Karner was a building (or room) used as a repository for human bones.

Franklin Karner (another Michael Karner Oklahoma relative) stated “Everything I have read and researched indicated several possibilities for name origin. I have read the name Karner is from Kartner, a province in Southern Austria. Some think it means “builder of carts”.

Margaret Flasch (my mother in law and granddaughter of Michael Karner) had a photograph of who she remembered as being identified as Michael Karner’s brother, Johann and his two children (see photo below). Margaret said Johann was the oldest Karner child and that he was a bookbinder by trade.

Helen Holmes (another granddaughter of Michael Karner's) remembered that her mother (Theresia Freudenberger nee Karner) told her that Michael Karner’s father, Johann, had been a bookbinder in Frankfurt, but had been chased out of that town during the revolution of 1848. Helen added, “Bookbinders, while perhaps not on the cutting edge of the intelligentsia, were of course in contact constantly with men of letters. In those days, remember, binding of books was not a common thing; usually done for those seriously interested in collecting a library. Leather bindings and all that. Craftsmanship, etc involved. Plus exposure to ideas. Anyway, once chased out, he went back to the home village, (presumablely Wolfau) merging with the bone handler – farmer clan. At least, that is how I recall Mother’s story.”

Re: KARNERs FROM AUSTRIA-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE

lelaege — 2012-05-30 15:31:36Z

There were 3 boys and 1 younger girl in his family, they went to school in Vienna{wein}Burgenland, that's how my Mother wrote it down. the Father was also named Johann and he was a farmer and furniture maker. the daughter had a son named Helmut. He has come and visited us a few times. He is no longer living. He lived in Switzerland and was an Architech. Johann Karner my Grandfather was to die at a very young age. around 35 years old. I don't know how to get those records. I was told he wrote childrens books, and had 3 children boys of his own.

Re: KARNERs FROM AUSTRIA-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE

lelaege — 2012-05-30 15:29:45Z

My grandfather Johann Karner of Austria had a brother named Frank , Mother Teresa and father Johann. My grandfather and grandmother Karolina Putz never married. Had a child also named Karolina my Mother. I have a photo of all of the Karners together..

Re: KARNERs FROM AUSTRIA-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE

weberxsa — 2012-05-30 05:56:37Z

Do you know where in Austria your Karner family came from? What village(s)?

Re: Karners from Austria

annakonopacky — 2012-03-30 23:41:52Z

Your great-grandmother, Margaret, is also my great-grandmother! My grandparents are John and Barb Konopacky.

Re: KARNERs FROM AUSTRIA-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE

JaniceBrunner — 2010-06-16 04:42:34Z

Trying to locate information for Anna karner b 1873 married Ludwig brunner 1872 had about 12 children including Rudolf, Albert, Karl, Joseph and Maria. Believe Joseph went to the USA where he married an asian lady and some time later was shot dead. Maria remained in Austria in Fuerstenfeld. Any information appreciated.

Re: KARNERs FROM AUSTRIA-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE

tamitorres1 — 2009-05-10 10:29:00Z

Annie Strack; I think your Grandfather and my Great Grandfather might be one in the same person. I do not know much about my Great Grandpa other than on some census his last name is Karner and others it is Karrer. If it is the same person Karrer is the carried name. Great Grandpa George Vern Karrer was born in 1892 I am not sure where, he married Jesse Henthorne on 4/18/1912 in either Wheatland, Montana or Sylvan Richland CO, WI. They had my Grandpa also named George on August 9, 1919. Great Grandpa George died in an accident in the 1920's of what nature I am unsure of, so perhaps it is the same person. My Great Grandma remarried travelled through Montana and settled in Washington State. Let me know what you think.

Re: Flasch

juhlman6 — 2009-03-28 00:08:55Z

Hello,

I have copies of the St. Kilian Church records if you are interested, I can do look-ups for you on your Flasch Family. I believe Clara's last name was spelled Blum. I have listed the entire (well, up to 2006) St. Kilian Cemetery on Findagrave.

Re: KARNERs FROM AUSTRIA-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE

davidjkarner — 2009-03-19 19:03:48Z

I am not sure my Grandfather was born around 1911 or so. Everyone in this town in Austria (or pretty much everyone) is named Karner. Our family has were glass blowers in this town.

email me david j karner @ yahoo . com

remove the spaces

Re: KARNERs FROM AUSTRIA-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE

anniestrack — 2009-03-18 18:50:02Z

Hi David,
Could our grandfathers be related? My grandfather was George Karner, born Nov 18, 1886 in Austria. He immigrated to Milwaukee in 1911. He died in a train accident in 1928 so I have very little information about him. he was a farmer in Milwaukee and was drafted in 1917, and married around 1918 or 1919. His ww1 draft registration card shows that he previously served 8 years in the Austrian infantry. I can't make out the place of birth that is written on the card, but the town's name ends in "--dorf". On the transciption from the immigrant ship record, the place of orgin is written as Renduerbrg.
Any chance that this could be your grandfather's brother?

Re: KARNERs FROM AUSTRIA-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE

davidjkarner — 2009-02-18 21:10:19Z

My grand father Ferdinand Karner was born in Mariasdorf a town in the district of Oberwart in Burgenland in Austria.

Lived his life in Toronto, his brother left austria and lived in Milwaukee WI

He had my Father Ferdinand, Barbra

Ferdinand Karner Jr had
David Karner
and
Stephen Karner

on-line records Re: National Archive info

2006-07-24 01:27:36Z

Thanks for your help!

I have been looking online at www. arcanum.hu/mol in the
census of 1715 and have found a number of towns where
there were Csonka. At first it was strange manoeuvering,
but using the arrows, and then the index button at the top
left of the data screen, you can see the counties, then the
jaras, and then the villages for each area. There are so many
places with Csonka I am trying to figure out where the 'first
ones' came from. Again, thanks for the web site and the
heads up about the research room.

Re: National Archive info

2006-07-22 00:13:46Z

Hi Fred
An archivist at the National Archives of Hungary has been assisting me and there has been a fee for this that covered the researcher's time, translation of records and postage. Mostly he has found records which aren't available through LDS, but there have been a few I could probably have found myself. I haven't been researching long and am only now getting the hang of accessing the microfilmed records! However, my understanding from looking at their website is that you can go into the archives an do your own research - and it's free. The link to their website is http://www.mol.gov.hu. I don't think that you can search for family records online. Also, there's currently a message on their website that the research room in the main building will be closed from August until December so it may be worth checking this out.
I hope this helps a little. Maybe you'll find out something about my CSONKA whilst you're researching your own! Were they from around the same area?
Best wishes
Maria

Re: National Archive info

2006-07-21 18:06:44Z

Hi,

I would like to know about the National Archive info
you found, as I would like to find links to Csonka
(from your message). Is this on-line? I am planning
to visit Budapest in a month or so, and hope I can
do more homework before leaving.

Thanks

KARNER - Bánk/Bakonybánk, Hungary

MariaMikolics — 2006-05-11 11:19:48Z

I have some additional information about my KARNERs since my previous post. My great grandmother was Veronika KARNER, born in Bakonybánk in 1872. She was married to György MIKOLICS.
Veronika's parents were Márton Ferenc KÁRNER b. 1837 Bakonybánk and Mária NAGY b. 1841.
Márton KÁRNER's parents were Márton KÁRNER and Ágnes CSONKA. According to information from National Archives of Hungary, Márton and Ágnes had 11 children (I have the names). All but the eldest child were born in Bánk/Bakonybánk. I had received information previously that one of the children Ignatius (Ignác), b. 1831 Bánk and d. Csatka 1906, was married to Anna SARUS.
I am interesting in hearing from anyone with information or connection to this line of my ancestry.

Re: KARNERs FROM AUSTRIA-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE

2005-12-26 14:00:44Z

Hello Ryan -

I am Andrea Volturo (nee Holmes) from Oklahoma. I am definitely on Herb Karner's mailing list and your grandfather has done a wonderful job in keeping the Karner family news alive and well. Thanks for posting and we will keep looking for Karner family relatives.

Re: KARNERs FROM AUSTRIA-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE

2005-12-26 10:52:19Z

My grandfather Herb Karner (Oklahoma) has been compiling genealogical information on the Karner family for the last 10-12 years. Leave me a message and I'd be glad to get you in contact with him.

Karner of Manchester

01792813453wendyhoward — 2005-10-02 18:09:56Z

Searching for any incidence of a stonemason with the surname Karner living in Manchester UK in the 1890s.

Re: Flasch

2005-09-17 06:13:43Z

Could you tell me a little more about your relatives and where they are from? Would the name be Johannis Flasch? That is the only name that might be a connection that I am aware of.

Re: Flasch

AlisiaWegner — 2005-09-15 19:51:48Z

Hi,

I am looking for information on Killian Flasch, Joannis Flasch, Claria Blim, and Gertrude Becker. If you have any information you could share i would appreciate it.

thank

Re: KARNERs FROM AUSTRIA-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE

2005-07-18 03:26:45Z

Caron -
Have you found anything on your Johann Karner? Would be interested to know.

Re: KARNERs FROM AUSTRIA-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE

2005-07-16 22:44:29Z

GREAT info! Please contact me at fkarner@cox.net

Re: Flasch

CJahn3423 — 2005-05-25 03:57:51Z

Donald,

I am distantly related to the Batzler family from the St. Killian area. In one of the records of the marriage of Margaretta Batzler and Joseph Rosskopf on Jun 11, 1860 it lists her parents as George and Joanne (Flasch) Batzler. Also the witnesses are listed as Joanne Flasch and Balthasare Flasch. Do you have this Joanne that married George in your records? I would appreciate any info that you have on them.

Thanks.
Cathy

Donald Flasch dod: 4-1-1958

Denise_Rancour — 2004-10-11 23:28:30Z

The Donald J. Flasch you are asking about was my dad's (Alvin "Jim" Flasch) uncle. Donald was born 01-19-1930 in Mn, likely either McLeod or Mille Lacs County. He was the son of Michael & Catherine Flasch.

Donald died in Faribault, MN while he was an "inmate" at the Faribault State School for the Deaf & Dumb. He was mute and would "act out" in frustration to his communication difficulties. My dad doesn't know if he was mute from birth or if, perhaps, it was a result of ungodly abuse he received from his mother, Catherine.

Donald lived with the family until he was 17; at which time he was sent to Faribault. It's my understanding that treatment there was not exactly a huge improvement over his home-life.

FYI: Everything I find has a different spelling of Catherine's maiden name! Baumgartner, Baumegartner, Baumgartinger.

Please contact me if you care to share other information.

Re: Flasch, Donald (MN)

Denise_Rancour — 2004-10-11 23:28:30Z

Please contact me about Donald Flasch,as Catherine Baumgartner was my great grandmother, through her son Michael!

Kilian Casper Flasch

Denise_Rancour — 2004-10-11 23:28:30Z

Am looking for anyone with family info on Roman Catholic Bishop Kilian Casper Flasch who served over the La Crosse, WISC diocese in mid to late 1800's. Would like to see if related.

Re: KARNERs FROM AUSTRIA-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE

MariaMikolics — 2004-06-07 04:35:06Z

Hi Frank
I'm joining this discussion a few years since you started so hope you're still working on this!
My father's grandmother's name was Veronica Karner, married to Gyorgy Mikolics - both buried in Csatka, Hungary. At this stage of the search, no-one seems to know much about Veronica's family but I noticed that the Karner surname seems to pop up in Austria. It's a long shot but thought it'd put it out there.
Regards, Maria Mikolics
Western Australia

Sanford H. Karner, Obit. 1892, Stevens Point, Wisconsin, Portage County

reklaw120 — 2004-03-06 12:30:03Z

Re: Flasch

2004-02-07 02:51:58Z

There is a Donald Flasch in our family, but our family is mostly in Oklahoma. Sorry.

Re: KARNERs FROM AUSTRIA-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE

2004-02-07 02:51:58Z

I will try to do a little research in my file and get back with you, if that is okay.

Verba Thelma Karner

akwolfsean — 2003-10-20 20:06:02Z

I am looking for any info on this woman. After marriage, she raised her two sons in Tulsa, OK. Her first husband was Gene Walton. Her second husband was Robert S. Pearson. I have been unable to find her on census, marriage or any other records. She had a sister named Roberta but I know no other info about her. Thanks for your help in advance.

Re: Karner/Indian lands

2003-09-14 18:32:23Z

Thank you for your response. I have copies of the deeds, but I am having a hard time reading them. A couple of deeds are almost illegible. I was trying to find a source where the deeds are already typed and easy to read. I have done much research in Berkshire County and have the book you recommended. Thank you again for responding.

Re: Karner/Indian lands

hrussell38 — 2003-09-14 03:40:36Z

KARNER - VAN GILDER AND ALLIED FAMILIES: STIEVER, STUBER, LOOMIS, KELLOG AND WINCHELL OF EGREMONT. By Joseph M. Kellogg. Published by Berkshire Family History Association

Re: Karner/Indian lands

hrussell38 — 2003-09-14 03:39:07Z

I Came Across This:
THE KARNER - VAN GILDER FAMILIES. [Nicholas Koerner - Palatine immigrant of 1710] Also contains notes on the Stiever (or Stuber), Loomis, Kellogg and Winchell [see below] families, of Egremont, Mass., with whom the Karners [Koerner-Kerner-Carner] were allied. By Joseph M. Kellogg, 1945. 58pp, indexed, spiral bound -

Karner/Indian lands

2003-08-25 17:35:08Z

I have copies of several early land needs which are most difficult to read. Has anyone typed copies of these deeds?
A deed involving John Vanguilder and Andrew Carner dated 29 Oct 1756, in MA. contains many Indian names and early settlers of Egremont area that I can't decipher. I know several of you have done quite a bit of research into the Vanguilder/Karner connection and I would appreciate your help. Thank you.
Bonnie Rams

Re: Flasch

j_korff — 2003-02-17 12:48:24Z

Do you have a Donald Flasch that died April 1, 1958 in Minnesota and his mother name is Catherine Baumgartinger

Re: Flasch

TTegt0004 — 2003-02-13 22:23:52Z

Sorry I do not have a Donald Flasch that died in 1958. I do not have a lot of information to go on as my relatives don't know much about the Flasch's.
Teri Tegt

Re: Karners in Mass.

2002-08-10 17:10:45Z

Hi. I think your Anna Karner was Anna Magdalena Karner, daughter of Jan Nicholas Koerner and wife Anna Magdalena who were German Palatine immigrants to the Hudson River Valley in New York State. Jan Nicholas was born 1659 in the Palatinate somewhere. You have also done the good deed of answering who was John Tullar since I recently found him listed in family deeds. The family left for the New World in the third ship to leave Holland. This would have been about 1710. There are a couple books who mention the family. I have that information but it's currently buried.

Given the time distance between the 1700s and 1800s, I'm not sure what the likelihood is that the two families were related. Only if European families stayed put far more than American, I'd say.

Debbie

Re: KARNERs FROM AUSTRIA-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE

2002-08-08 22:07:36Z

That's fine. Any information you can provide will be appreciated.

Re: KARNERs FROM AUSTRIA-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE

2002-08-08 00:08:27Z

My father-in-law was Johann Karner, from Wolfau. Johann came to the U.S. in the 1920's. Any information you can share about the Wolfau Karners will be appreciated.

Karner from Ko"nigsdorf, Austria-Hungary

billowiz1 — 2002-06-17 16:15:18Z

This is a reply to Andrea...Ko"nigsdorf is in the state of Burgenland, Austria today. You will get a great deal of help at the homepage of the "Burgenland Bunch" (see under "Village Names" and "Surnames" for more info.-your village and surname are there) http://www.spacestar.com/users/hapander/burgen.html
There are other people searching for "Karner" (we also have a Karner by marriage), there is much info at this site for you to read about your search in their archives! Good Luck!

Karner/Schimmelpfenig connection

JEKarner — 2002-04-13 04:03:16Z

Virginia: My husband and I were amazed to see that someone with the name of Schimmelpfenig was inquiring about the Karners. His grandparents, John and Risa Karner, came to America from Graz, Austria in approximately 1925 and settled in Chicago, Illinois, then later moved to Wheaton, Illinois. My mother's maiden name was Schimmelpfenig and her grandmother was born in Wheaton, Illinois in 1867. My husband and I currently live in Wheaton. Do you have any information that you can share on either of our families? Are you related to any Schimmelpfenigs from Wheaton?

Karners from Austria