Is there anyone else related to this chap? I know he was married but it may have been before 1837, and i know he had at least one child named Elizabeth Kipling born in the 1830s in Bolam near Gainford Co. Durham/North Yorkshire. I have no furthe leads at he moment apart from finding out that John died in 1868 age 62 in Bolam and that his daughter married Walter Tate and Elizabeth and Walter had a daughter Elspeth who is my great great grandmother!