I'm searching for any information on the above Kramers. Back in 1918 Adolph Kramer (father) was living in Illinois and Reuben and his wife Lillian Groat-Kramer and their son Von would go visit them at the Lake in Illinois. Lillian died in 1918 -- ruled a suicide. Lillian and Reuben lived in Hammond, Indiana. George was Ruben's brother. I have no idea what happened to Reuben after Lillian was buried. He had custody of Von who died when he was in his early 60s. Von did not have contact with the Groat side of the family until he was an adult. Would love to put together this part of the family line.