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Re: Urbana La Fave

cylinderseal — 2009-10-22 18:36:48Z

Are you still interested in Urbana's genealogy. I have found more info for you. My dad (Gene LeFave d. 2000) has a first cousin Victor LaFave still alive and active in El Paso. His father Victor was Urbana's older brother. I also have more ancestry and many photographs.

Please contact me directly at michelelefave@yahoo.com.

Michele (LeFave) Dumas

Re: Thomas Lafave

dbow4dscm — 2009-09-17 02:06:15Z

Looking for family of Fred E (LaFave) Carpenter, he was one of 11 or twelve children. Fathers name was Theodore and Mother was Mable Prince who was American Indian. She had passed during child birth and Fred and brother where given to a neighbor family surname carpenter. If you have any addition information on this Fred LaFave it would be a great help!

Re: Thomas LAFAVE

rochelle656 — 2009-09-15 03:21:06Z

My family history has roots in northeast wisconsin. Charles & Emily. They had 12 children. Art,charles,Eva,Oscar,Annie,Julia,Louie,Eddie,Marshall,
Marie, and two others who's names I'm not aware of. I think one is a girl who passed away very young.Im a grandaughter of art who married Irene W.just started search dont have much info. any help would be great.

Re: LaFave/LeFave of Nova Scotia

jorgelafave — 2009-06-16 16:08:18Z

My name is George Warren LaFave. My grandfather was George LaFave as well, My father is Joseph Oliver LaFave. I know that we are of French Canadian ancestry but that is about all I have. My grandfather married Ruth Paddock in the early 20's. Family names are Oliver, George, Joseph,Mark,Raymond. ect.

duval

tiffcheyka25 — 2009-05-31 08:08:28Z

i have a cecelia lefebvre mott b. 1876 d. 1960 and was married to feancis xavier mott. cecelia had a brother toussaint who was b. 1885 d.1929 who married ida duval . their father was toussaint lefave who immigrated into oconto wis. 1880 ther mother was domithilide (mathilida) aubertin. my email is dcheyka@yahoo.com.

Re: Lafave/Lefebvre from Quebec to Green Bay,Wi. in 1865

tiffcheyka25 — 2009-05-31 07:57:49Z

my family of lafave's were also in oconto gggrandfather name was toussaint cannot find any info on him except his immigration papers 1880 into oconto wisconsin, his spouse was domithildide aubertin (mathildide) his father was joseph lefebvre and his mother felicite gagne,toussaints children were louis eustache,joseph toussaint,marie domithilde,marie almina, cecelia lefabvre mott, delphis, virginia lefebvre colignon,victoire,toussaint,and georgianna, and possibly augustin, and arthur victor lafave who was my ggrandfather, had gerald,irvin,violet,clarence,lucille,thomas lloyd (twin),lawrence xavia (twin) rueben the senator from wi.catherine who was adopted out as her mother died in childbirth and my grampa arthur victor lafave #2 who died in 1986 and was married to emma salesky children arden (my mom) rita rae, and ellen leeann lafave. contact me at dcheyka@yahoo.com. if you have any info for me or questions

Re: Lafave/Lefebvre from Quebec to Green Bay,Wi. in 1865

tiffcheyka25 — 2009-05-31 07:54:23Z

Re: Lafave/Lefebvre from Quebec to Green Bay,Wi. in 1865

LuAnn_Matuszak — 2009-03-24 19:02:59Z

Do you know if you have Olive Eve Poulin b.10/11/1837
Canada d.12/28/11 Oconto Falls WI. Was Married to Nickoles
Verboncoeur/Verbunker/Bunker

Re: LaFave/LeFave of Nova Scotia

amshnayer — 2009-02-18 12:39:15Z

Thank you for your reply. I'm definitely interested in any information you may have. Unfortunately, I know nothing more about my gg grandmother other than the information she put on her SS application. Hopefully there is a family connection.

Thank you in advance.

Amanda

Re: LaFave/LeFave of Nova Scotia

rlafave83 — 2009-02-18 00:51:43Z

My great grandfather, sylvain lefave, was son of julian muise and joseph lefave. sylvain married rose doucette and had two children, mary and john. john lefave/lafave married margaret muise and had 5 boys, the youngest was my father james lafave, I am his firstborn, Richard LaFave...I have dates and more info if you want

Re: LaFave/LeFave of Nova Scotia

rlafave83 — 2009-02-18 00:51:40Z

LaFAVE Donald F 1918-1965

t42Moore — 2008-12-19 14:33:25Z

LaFAVE Donald F 1918-1965

I photographed this gravestone in the Moore Cemetery, Arlington,Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records.

This is one of the 198,993 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com If you know more about this person please reply here.

Re: Celia LaFave

pqrstny — 2008-11-09 22:26:25Z

PS. Celia (Celina) had a brother Eli. I got that from a historic newsclipping. Still can't place them together in a family on a census.

Ida LaFave b. 1889 parents were Aninor b. 1866. and Mathilda b. 1868. I'm trying to find out what relationship exists (if any) between Ida LaFave and Celina Lebebvre.

Re: Celia LaFave

pqrstny — 2008-11-09 22:17:25Z

I just found out that Celia LaFave was listed as Celina LeFebvre at St. Joseph's Parish in Malone for the listing of her child with Henry Coallier. Henry went by Coulier, but the original spelling from Boucherville, Quebec was Coallier; in the US, it was Coulier, Quillia, Qulia, Qullia, or Qualier. I just want to place Celina in a family on a census somewhere with siblings and parents. Sound familiar to anyone?

Henry and Celia's grave at Notre Dame Cemetery, Malone, NY (Lot 142, Sect A) has Edward age 6 d. 1894, Frank Qulia, age 40 d. 1926; Catherine LaFave age 66 d. 1892; Toussaint LaFave age 66, died 1895; Bessie, age 17 died 1900; Nellie, age 27, died 1907; Celia, age 82, died 1936; Henry, age 43, died 1903; Mrs. Mary Coullier, age 96 died 1/16/80. (I think this is the wife of Frank, Henry and Celia's son.)

I looked up Toussaint and Catherine in the Drouin records but wasn't very successful; can't figure out the relationship that they had to Celia.

Celia LaFave

pqrstny — 2008-11-03 10:32:22Z

I'm looking to find the parents and siblings of Celia LaFave. Celia must have been a nickname. She may have gone by LeFebvre (or something like that). The US 1880 Census said that she was 19 (so she must have been born in 1861), born in NY, married to Henry Coulier (b. 1860)in Malone, Franklin County, NY. Henry Coulier's family also went by the surnames Quillia, Qulia, Coalier, Coallier. She had in 1880 a daughter named Nellie. I am trying to find out if she is at all related to Ida LaFave b. 1888 and married Henry's nephew Arthur Qulia (Quillia) Kulia. Mostly, I'd like to know who her siblings and parents were and then maybe I could place her. There were soooo many LaFaves and LeFebvres in that area back then.

Re: Adolphus Lafave b. 1841, QC

shirleyperssoncarter181 — 2008-10-03 23:59:42Z

My great grandfather's sister(Marie Erno, born 1864) married a Edward Lefebvre, I think in Quebec. Edward might be your Adolphrus' son's generation. Interesting that both our families have a Lefebvre-Erno connection.

Re: Thomas Lafave, Canada born Sept 30th 1830

geortie — 2008-09-25 15:13:14Z

Hi Annette,
I am one of those LaFave's that is fascinated by our ancestors. Like Dave, I have been trying to locate birth records etc. for Thomas LaFave. I managed to locate death certificates for Nelson LaFave and Laura Tinker/LaFave/Lipscomb. By researching Laura and Nelson I hoped to link the 2 families. I have traced Laura back to John and Hannah Lipscomb. Hannah was a McDonald and I have followed her back to United Empire Loyalists. You can e-mail me directly if you are interested. I have yet to send some of this info on to Dave LaFave so I will try to sort it and send along to the 2 of you. My e-mail address is joasmith@telus.net. Hope to hear from you soon.

Your cousin,

Joanne

Re: Thomas Lafave, Canada born Sept 30th 1830

libertia — 2008-09-03 00:40:59Z

Ooopsy... my email (for the photos) is libertiagirl@hotmail.com (NOT libertia@hotmail.com)

Sorry for the confusion! Hope to hear from you soon!

Annette

Re: Thomas Lafave, Canada born Sept 30th 1830

2006-05-26 18:12:16Z

Thomas LaFave, b 1830, d 1897 buried in local cemetery here in Indian River, MI. Would like to know more about his Civil War history.

Re: Lefebvres from Trois Rivieres, QC became Lafave

2006-03-03 22:10:04Z

Thank you for the information about Jeanne Nounau. The registry in Montreal said that her origins were unknown. But now they are known!

Now can you tell me who Jean Cantiloupe was?

Lafave papers

2006-01-31 12:16:34Z

I was asked to post a message that someone has left some research on the Lefaves at the Auburn Hills, Michigan library.
If they are yours they are saving them for you.
Randy Largent

Re: Lafave/Lefebvre from Quebec to Green Bay,Wi. in 1865

2005-09-30 14:12:54Z

I hope I have finally found someone who may know!!
My ggrandfather came from Quebec to Wisconsin. His name was Alex(ander) LaFave. He was born 2-29-1880 and died in Feb 1964 in Sheboygan Wisconsin. He had a daughter named Violet. I know nothing else about him. And have run into deadends.
Can you help me?
Thanks
Dianne

John LaFave m. Ann MClain

2005-06-26 05:48:27Z

My grandfathers name was John LeFave He married my grandmother Ann MClain they lived in many of places such as Wyoming, Minnisota, Montana and more. My grandfather is 1 of 18 children. my grandparents had 12 children 8 boys 4 girls. Their names are Mary Ann, Honore, Robert, Tommy Gerald, Donald, Clerance, Jimmy, Billy, Margarete, Ann Marie ther was another girl but she was still born, and Billy died at a young age.
I was told my grandfather was a cowboy. He was 65 when my grandmother was pregnant with my father Clerance David LeFave he was born June 2,1939. I was told that they have found my grandfathers grave in Wyoming.
I dont know anything about his parents or brothers and sisters.
E-mail me please if you think there might be some kind of conection.
DDavina747@cs.com

Lafave surname, MI>ENG>NC

2005-06-26 05:46:51Z

Hello, i am a LaFave, who was born in Michigan, but grew up in England, and now I live in North Carolina, i often wonder about my name, and ancestors, but know pratically nothing about either, maybe some of the LaFave's out there can help me out?
Yours Hopefully
MIchael LaFave

Mildred A. [Comins] LaFave b. Oct 21,1888

2005-06-26 05:45:21Z

Mildred A. [Comins] LaFave.Born:Oct21,1888.Died,Feb14,1967 in Syracuse NY.she lived at 224 Hawley Ave,Syracuse,Onondaga Co. N.Y.13202.her-Mother:Sarah Baker her_Father Hamilton.C.Comins working on family tree, new at this ,,any help would be fine,,,thanks God Bless

Re: Thomas Lafave

john1955 — 2006-08-01 01:24:23Z

Did your Thomas have a daughter named Emma? Was one of his wife's name Deshone/Deshome or similar sounding name?

Dora (LaFave) Goulet of Blackstone MA

JBacon1977 — 2006-08-01 21:42:44Z

any infoon this woman , her parent's names
etc... would be most helpful.
she was born in Oct 1900
had a son named Eli. Please E mail
any info. Sincere thanks
j

Re: Baptiste Lafave (Lefebvre) m. Caroline [Unknown] bef. 1853

DMCCLURE — 2007-10-25 13:32:26Z

Sharyn,

I hope you still monitor this board, I know this is an old post, but this LaFave family is part of my family and I have much info. The Almira LaFave b. 1877 that you mention was my Great Grandmother, she lived in East Branch, Hancock, Delaware County, NY and died there in 1963. Her father was Baptiste and her mother was Caroline Hupe. Please contact me for more information.

Dennis McClure

Re: Adolph Lafave

TerryLFlowers — 2005-09-30 14:11:14Z

it is roseflowers@frontiernet.net

obit for Gordon LaFave of Hampton, Florida, formerly of Ogdensburg, N.Y.

smokeyandjo — 2007-02-02 18:01:27Z

The following obit is here with permission of the Bradford County Telegraph, in Bradford County, Fla.

Gordon LaFave
HAMPTON-Gordon Henry LaFave Jr., 59, of Hampton, died Jan. 26, 2007, at
Su-El's Retirement home following an extended illness.
Mr. LaFave was a native of Ogdensburg, N.Y. He moved to Florida 27 years ago
and has resided in Hampton for two years. He served in the U.S. Marine Corps
and served in Vietnam. He was of the Catholic faith.
He is survived by a daughter, Rebecca Lutz of Virginia; one son, Joey LaFave of
Virginia; his step-mother, Mildred LaFave of Ogdensburg, N.Y.; two sisters,
Kathy LaFave of Connecticutt and Ruth Layne of Ogdensburg, N.Y.; two brothers,
Scott LaFave of Florida and James Carter of Ogdensburg, N.Y.; and two
grandchildren.
Interment will take place in Notre Dame Cemetery in Ogdensburg, N.Y.; Archie
Tanner Funeral Home in Starke is in charge of the arrangements.

Note: I am of no relation, but my sympathies go out to those of you who are.
This is here as a lasting memorial for Mr. LaFave.

Lawrence Henry "Buster" LaFave obit from NY 2002

LauraRivers518 — 2005-07-04 02:40:39Z

Mooers — Lawrence Henry "Buster" LaFave, 68, died Monday, Dec. 9, 2002, at the Cedar Hedge Nursing Home in Rouses Point.

He was born in Mooers on Aug. 23, 1934, the son of Henry and Clara (Rabideau) LaFave.

He was employed as a truck driver for Clinton County Highway Department for 35 years until he retired in 1983.

Survivors include his wife, the former Valena "Lillian" LaValley of Rouse Point; a daughter, Linda C. Provost of Jericho, N.Y.; two sisters and their husbands, Ruby and Roger Tetreault of Champlain and Pat and Gregory LaFave of Keeseville; a sister-in-law and four brothers-in-law, Alfred and Myrtle Ladue, Homer LaValley, Louis LaValley and Roger Garrand; three grandchildren, Tina Peryea of Altona, Tammy Warren of Ellenburg Depot and Lee Provost of Ellenburg Center; nine great-grandchildren; and several nieces and nephews.

Three sisters, Hazel Duffina, Ella Whitis and Evelyn Garrand; and a brother, Francis LaFave, died before her.

Calling hours will be Thursday, Dec. 12, 2002, from 3 to 7 p.m. at E.F. Drown Funeral Service in Ellenburg Depot. A Mass of Christian burial will be celebrated on Friday Dec. 13, 2002, at 10 a.m. from St. Ann's Church in Mooers Forks. Burial will be in Whispering Maples Memorial Gardens Mausoleum in Ellenburg Depot.

Im not related
info from www.PressRepublican.com
obituary archives

Re: Arthur LaFave (also Treffley, Delina, and Pauline)

Ruthie_Cross — 2005-09-30 14:12:14Z

William Murray can you email me concerning Arthur Lafave. I am currently trying to find ancestory of an Arthur Lafave married to a Pauline. Believe his father to be Treffley Lafave and a sister named Delina.

Re: Lafave surname, MI>ENG>NC

terencelafave — 2005-06-26 05:47:16Z

Michael,

Perhaps this will help focus your interests a bit. La Fave or Lafave is derived from Lefebvre a common name in the Channel Islands and the north of France. Huge numbers of Lafaves around the great lakes - New York, Michigan, Wisoncson, Minnesota, etc. And big numbers in Quebec.

Good luck .. Terry

LaFave/Lamarand family in 1880s Michigan

ALLamarand — 2007-01-18 05:54:02Z

Does anyone know this family? James Lamarand born 1852 married Mary LaFave born 1860 - Children: Libbie, George, John, Adeline, Mabel, and Gertrude.

Any and all info greatly appreciated.

Mrs. Wm. LaFave, 1119 Michigan Ave., Lansing, Mich. 1911

AlettaHolmes — 2007-04-02 14:53:26Z

I have an Easter postcard to "Mrs. Wm. LaFave, 1119 Michigan Ave. W., Lansing, Mich." postmark April 13, 1911, Bay City, Mich.". "Hello Grandma, Here I am spilling all the eggs. I am sick with a cold tonight and Kate has a cold too, and Jimmie has two teeth. From Your Darling Boy"

Re: Thomas Lafave, Canada born Sept 30th 1830

mkelly2401 — 2008-09-02 12:18:31Z

My name is Michael Kelly. My father was Grifford R. Kelley Born in Petosky, MI 1920 (died 2004). His mother was Nora Lafave. She married Martin Kelley (Note: my father dropped the last e in Kelley). It is my undestanding that Nora Lafave's father was Thomas Lafave. This is all I know about my Grandmaother and the Lafave family. I would like to know if this Thomas LaFave is the father of Nora Lafave.

M. Kelly
Memphis, TN USA

Re: Thomas Lafave, Canada born Sept 30th 1830

lynn_wieczorek — 2007-09-21 02:21:33Z

Could you tell me if Thomas had a sister Adeline who married Moses LaValle?

Thanks! Lynn
lynn_wieczorek@yahoo.com

Re: LaFave's

bone220 — 2006-09-05 20:28:43Z

SHANNON,MY G.GRANDMOTHER JULIA-JULIEANN NEPHEW AND DUMOUCHELLE,IN THE NEW PAPER FROM GRAYLING,MI.TALK OF THREE DAUGHTERS,ONE IS MRS.GEORGE LAFAVE OF STANDISH,MI.AND MRS.GEORGE MARTIN OF FLINT,MI.AND MRS FLORENCE
NEPHEW (FLOSSIE) MY GRANDMA OF GRAYLING,MI.WHO MOVE TO DET,MI.I'AM TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT FAMILY SHE TALKING OF,BECAUSE WE BEEN LOOKING FOR ANYTHING ON JULIA NEPHEW.I DO HOPE YOU KNOW OF THESE PEOPLE.MY OTHER GRANDMA IS ADELINE LEFEBVRE(LAFAVE)FROM SAGINAW.ALL THESE PEOPLE WERE AT THE BURIAL IN 1926 IN GRAYLING,MI.I LIKE TO HOW OUR FAMILY COME TOGETHER.THANKS,DEBBIE IN WARREN,MI.

Re: Lefebvres from Trois Rivieres, QC became Lafave

storknurse — 2006-12-04 12:09:47Z

Here are some slightly more common spellings and the marriage dates of the early part of this lineage obtained from PRDH (U. of Montreal online). Spellings are based on the most common usage found in the vital records for each person and their offspring, as determined by PRDH. Note that this particular LEFEBVRE line has the LACISERAY dit name which continues at least until Antoine's father. For genealogists this is helpful to know in order to separate this line from that of another immigrant Pierre LEFEBVRE who married Marie CHATIGNY 17 Aug 1656 at Quebec City, QC.

Pierre LEFEBVRE m. Jeanne CUTILOUP bef. 1616-12-31, France
Pierre LEFEBVRE m. Jeanne NOUNAU bef. 1647-01-12, France
Michel LEFEBVRE dit LACISERAY m. Catherine Marie TROTTIER 1683-11-03 at Champlain, QC
Michel LEFEBVRE dit LACISERAY m. Marie Francoise DENIS dit ST DENIS 1724-02-14 at Pointe-Claire, QC
Michel LEFEBVRE dit LACISERAY m. (1) Marie Josephte PILON 1752-04-10 at Pointe-Claire, QC (2) Marie Margeurite RANGER dit LAVIOLETTE 1764-07-02 at Ste-Anne-de-Bellevue, QC
Antoine LEFEBVRE dit LACISERAY m. Marie Suzanne RANGER dit LAVIOLETTE 1752-04-10 at Pointe Claire, QC

Re: Lefebvres from Trois Rivieres, QC became Lafave

storknurse — 2006-12-04 12:09:47Z

I'd like to correct a bit of misdirection about Pierre LEFEBVRE and Jeanne NOUNAU. Pierre was born abt 1616 at Sceaux, archev. Paris, Ile-de-France, (ar. Antony, Hauts de Seine), FRA. Jeanne was also an immigrant, b. abt 1624 in France. She was not Amerindian. They married before Jan 12, 1647 in an unknown location in France. Their first child, Jacques, was born Jan 12 1647 in Trois-Rivieres, QC.

Choice of spelling of Jeanne's surname is based on the most common spelling found on the baptismal and marriage records of their children.

Source: PRDH (U. of Montreal online)

Lafave surname has many ancestral lines

storknurse — 2006-12-04 12:09:47Z

There were several men surnamed Lefebvre who emigrated to Quebec and had sons to carry on the name. Many of those sons and grandsons adopted "dit" names which helped people know "which Pierre Lefebvre", etc. When searching for ancestors in these lines pay close attention to the dit names.

The most common are:
LEFEBVRE dit ANGERS
LEFEBVRE dit BELISLE
LEFEBVRE dit BOULANGER
LEFEBVRE dit DESCOTEAUX
LEFEBVRE dit DUPLESSIS
LEFEBVRE dit FABER
LEFEBVRE dit LACISERAY
LEFEBVRE dit LACROIX
LEFEBVRE dit VILLEMURE

You may find your ancestors under either name in the vital records.

Baptiste Lafave (Lefebvre) m. Caroline [Unknown] bef. 1853

storknurse — 2006-12-04 12:09:47Z

Re: Thomas Lafave, Canada born Sept 30th 1830

libertia — 2008-09-03 00:35:42Z

Hi Michael!

Yes, Nora Alberta LaFave was the 9th child of Thomas LaFave and Laura Lipscomb, making us distant cousins. I tried to reply earlier, and also tried to send some photos as attachments, but I guess it was too much info for the program :)

If you would like copies of the photos I have (portrait of Nora, and also of her and her children, courtesy of another cousin), please feel free to contact me at libertia@hotmail.com, and I'll send you the attachments.

Cheers!
Annette

Re: Thomas Lafave, Canada born Sept 30th 1830

libertia — 2008-08-22 04:35:57Z

Hello Joanne (and my other cousins!)

I am Annette Barnum LaFave's namesake. We share Nelson as g g grandfather. My grandfather was Lawrence; my father was Thomas (he died in 2004 at the age of 89). Dad always talked about the LaFave history and was very interested in his ancestry... and I've inherited (no pun intended) this interest.

My brother David has done lots of research into old Thomas' ancestry. We found that he belonged to the 5th Iowa Cavalry (google it-- he's listed in a website). He was able to get copies of his military records, and his roster card listed place of origin as "Bachenis", which we thought could be a misspelling of Beauharnois. However, Dave was unable to find any birth or baptismal records.

If you or anyone has any more information about Thomas I'd be very interested in hearing from you. In any case, I'd be interested in conversing with my distant cousins!

Cheers,
Annette LaFave Krammer

Re: Lefebvres from Trois Rivieres, QC became Lafave

cbmsheff — 2007-01-08 16:28:30Z

I'm looking for info on the Sheff/Cheff/Cheffe/Schaeffer/Chevre line. Spelled many different ways.

Re: Thomas Lafave

BERNADETTEMURRAY150 — 2005-10-20 11:01:27Z

Hello,

My grandparent are Ocar and Blanche LaFournier or Founier LaFave from Mi. Ocar father is Thomas who had married twice. I do not know who his first wife was. (Maybe Genevieve) But his second wife is Margaret ? I believe Margaret was American Indian. They had six or seven children. I have some names; Laura, Emile, Alma, Isadore? I think their is a male (Alphonse)?.
Both Thomas and Margaret was born in Canada.
My grandparent had five child Eva, Yvonne, Virginia, Verne, Ronald. All were born is Michigan.
Ocar LaFave had died in Dec. 1944. Blanche had married Alfred LaFave in 1950? I believe Alfred brother is Arthur, a sister name Helen. Alfred was married to Clara Ostrander, she died in 1947, they had two daughter, Clara and Helen
Do you know any of these people?. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Bernadette

Re: Thomas Lafave, Canada born Sept 30th 1830

JOHNLAFAVE45 — 2007-10-21 22:52:43Z

Hello Joanne

My Grandfather was Nelson as well. My Dad was Walter and my Mother was Kate.

You must be a daugher of either Tom or Lawrence my Dads brothers.

Would love to hear from you.

Sincerely, John La Fave

looking for Billie J Lafave

michelebuske — 2007-04-12 10:38:12Z

Billie Lafave, from mexico NY. married name is Billie Beaver. any help?

Robert Ellis La Fave obit

snapdragon_car — 2006-11-17 06:17:45Z

Not related.
Obit found in the San Bernardino Sun, 10/6/1971

Re: Robert Ellis La Fave obit-wrong date

snapdragon_car — 2006-11-17 06:17:45Z

that was in the Sun on either the 9th or 10th of July, 1979