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Alexander Learmonth/margaret pringle

janice01301 — 2009-09-13 18:14:14Z

I am searching for the ancestry of Alexander Learmonth and Margaret Pringle... Alexander died in canada in 1851 and Margaret Pringle in 1846 Quebec canada.. .They where in the edinburgh area before moving to canada... I believe that margaret is the daughter of george pringle and cecilia adamson born 8/30/1771 in haddingtonshire... Need this record confirmed... Is the Alexander desendant of alexander and elizabeth dewar...

There son Alexander married Elizabeth hunter in 1816 in edinburgh at the saint cutberts' church... .. Who are elizabeth's parent?

Re: Australian Learmonth - Lermontov Family Surname Reunion

robertalexanderlearmonth — 2009-07-18 23:36:37Z

Greatings from across the ditch in New Zealand.

Have just picked up this message and would be very interested to hear how the reunion went on.

Believe my grandfather who came to NZ in 1880's had a brother who went to Aussie and attach a family tree received from a relation in Scotland William MacKay.

Look forward to hearing from you

Re: Learmonth Family, True Thomas, Mikhail Lermontov

johnduffy47 — 2009-06-01 20:09:08Z

my grandmother was a learmonth,her name was jane lawson-ritchie learmonth,her father was donald h learmonth born in tranent,his father was william learmonth from stronsay,orkney islands born 1848,his father was robert learmonth...they all seem to come from stronsay in the orkney islands..my grand mother was the only child and married a jack carnall,they had 2 childred donald and hellen(my mother) who is no longer with us..she died 3years ago with cancer,her brother died i think two years before her,i think it was the heart....so im sure we have a connection.the learmonth have had big familys but my grandmother was the only one in hers...so you will probably be a cousin

Re: adam learmonth

johnduffy47 — 2009-05-29 18:59:50Z

HAHA...SORRY LISA..HAHA..YEP CROSSED WIRES....BUT YOU HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFULL TOO

Re: adam learmonth

lisa161171 — 2009-05-29 18:05:04Z

Hi John,

I'm glad the information was helpful to you.
I think we have crossed wires because I'm not called Adam, my name is Lisa. Adam Learmonth was my Great Grandfather.

Kind Regards

Re: adam learmonth

johnduffy47 — 2009-05-29 17:29:59Z

thank you so much for the information adam....and looking into the learmonth family ,its quite diverse....still trying to get pictures of my grandfather and grandmother..though i have one which is when she was quite old with my mum and her siblings....would try and get pictures of them when my grand parents where younger...and great grandparents...i know my great grandfather was a michanical enginer and was killed by a car...so i can recall my grandmother jane learmonth telling me..(nee carnall),they also adopted a daughter..but i dont know who she was,my grandmother did not like her at all and so lost touch with her.

Re: adam learmonth

Alistair_Learmonth — 2009-05-29 13:32:36Z

Lisa

In my findings along the way the trades the Learmonth families followed were very much passed down the lines.

Farmers/Fleshers/Tanners/Agricultural Labourers/Ploughmen

Grocers/Bakers/Publishing

Wheelwright/Joiners/Mason/Land Developers

Miners

Foundry workers and in one case Foundry Owner in Manchester.

My great Aunt Margaret Learmonth born Larbert 30.03.1868 was married to a John Gartley born Dunotter 18.03.1866 who was a Baker Hawick around 1920 according to my Aunt/Edinburgh 1901 census. This line has been troublesome and finding them, they moved after 1920? to West Coast Scotland? to run a B&B and by family folk lore later bought an island in the West Coast Scotland which I have never found or proven so the trail went cold after 1920. They had three children I know about according to Census.

Alistair

Re: adam learmonth

lisa161171 — 2009-05-29 11:24:40Z

Hi Alistair,

I descend from the Learmonths that migrated to Northern England, my Grandmother Jessie Pettie Learmonth(1924)and all her siblings were born in Gateshead, I myself was born in Newcastle.
You mentioned that an Aunt of yours had a bakery in Hawick, maybe its not connected but my GG Grandfather Alexander Mair Learmonth(1863)and his brother Andrew White Learmonth (1865)were both bakers although they had already migrated by 1891 they were both born in Galashiels which is not too far from Hawick.

Re: adam learmonth

Alistair_Learmonth — 2009-05-28 21:13:37Z

John

The Lord Provost (John Learmonth) was a carriage maker to trade his father was John Learmonth who married Elizabeth Young, John jnr the provost had one son I know about a Colonel Andrew Learmonth if my memory serves me and bought 140 acres in Dean to build houses after his father built the bridge with his own money so the Learmonth terraces naming etc built on the land his father owned and needed the bridge to get too.

I have not heard from anyone who can trace direct to John or his son, he may have left the capital of course and set up somewhere else, I have never seen this line show up though in my research. The provost had a lot of bad press and was not very popular and his demise was assured so was not re-elected. But this could be down to his riches gained by building the bridge of course. Envy is a terrible thing.

As for Thomas the Rhymer I do not even consider him Learmonth unless you have research that out dates anything I have researched and that would nearer the 12th Century. All links to him being Learmonth date from this period of 1800-1900 and everyone believing Sir Walter Scott tales. The facts do not support Walter in his version at all. But Walter never let the truth get in the way of selling his books. Read how Walter got his version about Thomas.

Alistair

Re: adam learmonth

johnduffy47 — 2009-05-28 17:42:00Z

i have found out that my great grand father was donald h. Learmonth born 1881 in tranent and his wife is Elizabeth/helen baptie..didnt get the date of birth or where she was born...but i will find out..and my great great grandad was william learmonth born 1848 stiensay,married to Alexander honeysett born 1849...my mother had her grandmothers middle name which was hellen ada carnall,mother was jane lawson-ritchie Learmonth(nee carnall)...i am so excited with this news...i hope that we are related or you know of the people who are.

Re: adam learmonth

johnduffy47 — 2009-05-28 17:33:28Z

thank you so much...yes my grandmother was jane Lawson-Ritchie Learmonth...born 31 march....1918...you dont know how happy i am to hear that....i cant beleive it...im so thrilled at getting closer to my family....thanks again adam..

Re: adam learmonth

johnduffy47 — 2009-05-28 17:28:13Z

i have a funny feeling that they are...

Re: adam learmonth

johnduffy47 — 2009-05-28 17:27:10Z

my great grandfather was from kent...i beleive that is the english connection and my great grandmother from glasgow...we are related to thomas the border poet,the lord provest learmonth....there is a street in Edinburgh learmonth crescent named after him. thats is much information i have.

Re: adam learmonth

Alistair_Learmonth — 2009-05-28 15:17:25Z

Lisa

I have not done any research in to this branch as the person mentioned previous (Ken) has more info right back to his ealiest link he found on the Islands.

I for my own line do not connect to the Orkney lines (as far as I am aware) though some did come south to Edinburgh, as mentioned earlier it seems though I have not come across (John) connection previous. The Glasgow link usually comes back to my family lines that is why I got interested.

I can also rule my research out for Roxburgh/Berwickshire as they seem linked also to Northern England migration as they moved South (work). Not to say I do not have any English links but they are more Manchester location.

I did have a Aunt move to Hawick to run a Bakers but all others are more Lothians/Fife/Lanarkshire/Central Scotland so I could not be much assitance unless you throw up a link to any research I have done through names.

Alistair

Re: adam learmonth

lisa161171 — 2009-05-28 14:29:27Z

Hi Alistair,

My tree comes down the Roxburghshire/Berwickshire Learmonths line. Thomas Learmonth and Isobel Dove both born Mertoun abt 1750 were my ggggg grandparents. Are the Orkney Learmonths connected to this branch?

Regards
Lisa

Re: adam learmonth

Alistair_Learmonth — 2009-05-28 11:02:54Z

Lisa

The Stronsay connection opens up the Orkney families. They are well documented by the researcher on that family tree. So John, do some seaching on this site for Ken Learmonth trees.

Alistair

Re: adam learmonth

lisa161171 — 2009-05-28 07:23:53Z

Hi John,

Was your grandmother Jane Lawson-Ritchie Learmonth born 31 March 1918. If so, after having done a little digging I have her parents as Donald H Learmonth(born 1881 Tranent)and Elizabeth/Helen Baptie. Donald's parents as William Learmonth(1848 Stronsay)and Alexandra Honeysett(1849)both died in Edinburgh.
Not in my branch of Learmonths but I hope this is of some help to you.

Re: adam learmonth

Alistair_Learmonth — 2009-05-27 20:40:10Z

John

Non of my Janes match this date supplied. Do you have her parents names. I have a few Learmonth connections from my tree in the Glasgow and Lanarkshire area at the time which could assist you.

Alistair

Re: adam learmonth

lisa161171 — 2009-05-27 11:12:03Z

Hi John,

I have 3 Jane Learmonths in my tree so far but I have all of them as being born Roxburghshire. Although there could be some connection as my Great Grandfather Adam Learmonth was born in Portobello. You are most welcome to browse my tree.

Happy hunting, Lisa

adam learmonth

lisa161171 — 2007-10-05 12:35:57Z

Hi, my name is Lisa Waite I am 35 and from Newcastle upon Tyne. My grandmother was Jessie Pettie Learmonth 1924_2007 and my great-grandfather was Adam Learmonth 1885-1957, I think he could have been born in Portobello and he married Sarah Waugh 1890-1963 from Cockermouth. I am also trying to trace further back but there are so many Learmonths with the same first names that i am getting nowhere fast. Could you possibly help me?

Re: Another Alexander Learmonth

melanie_boxall — 2008-03-01 14:32:51Z

Yes, Alexander junior married Ann Spence, so the grandson's name makes sense. It's me looking for them. Alexander junior had a daughter Jane Hewit Learmonth, she married Thomas Russell, and I'm from that line.

Re: Another Alexander Learmonth

melanie_boxall — 2008-03-01 14:30:11Z

Thanks Alistair, best I can do for now is pencil those in as parents, and see what the future brings with research. Florentia's parents I had decided the same thing. Knowing the area is a huge advantage you have over me! I find this family absolutely fascinating.

Re: Another Alexander Learmonth

melanie_boxall — 2008-03-01 12:31:52Z

Thank you for looking. Those are the only two children I've been able to find too. The other kind helper asked about his death, which I also have not been able to find. He's a bit of a mystery man right now. However I did find this online if you are interested:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~beli/learmonth/will...

We at least know from that that he died before Florentia, and therefore before 1842.

Another Alexander Learmonth

melanie_boxall — 2008-02-28 19:39:18Z

There seem to have been a lot of them!

Alexander Learmonth married Florentia Robertson in Bo'ness (Linlithgow) West Lothian in 1790, but I cannot find his birth anywhere. Any help appreciated.

Re: Another Alexander Learmonth

melanie_boxall — 2008-03-01 16:05:12Z

I believe so, yes. Something had to move her from Linlithgow to Lanark. It is logical that it was the first marriage, and the subsequent one took place in 1846. Unless of course there were two Jane Learmonths born 1823 in Linlithgow and I have the wrong one.

Re: Alexander Learmonth

cherylderby — 2008-02-22 14:42:27Z

Sure,
My e mail address is:
lrigtips@aol.com.

Thank you,
Cheryl Derby

Re: Alexander Learmonth

cherylderby — 2008-02-22 05:06:14Z

Hello again,

Thank you for the info. The only other child of Robert and Margaret that I was able to find on the Mormon family search site was Jane:

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
British Isles

JANE LEARMONTH
Female
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Event(s):
Birth: 26 AUG 1808 Prestonkirk, East Lothian, Scotland
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Parents:
Father: ROBERT LEARMONTH Family
Mother: MARGARET WATT

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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C117172 1658 - 1820 1067854 Film 6901289 Film

Could you tell me of the other children you have? And do you have a birth date for Robert and Margaret and Alexander and Elizabeth? And the other possible children of Alexander and Elizabeth?

Have you seen Roberts grave?

Thank you for your time, I'd like to gather as much info as I can and then go to the Scotlands people site and search for the records. Gotta get organized first and know exactly what and who I want to find.

Cheryl Derby

Re: Alexander Learmonth

cherylderby — 2008-02-21 16:00:17Z

Hi I seen your post, and am sure you have the information of this family from the census's. Alexanders father was Peter as you say, here he is in 1951...

1851 Scotland Census 1851 Scotland Census
Name: Peter Learmonth
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Prestonkirk, Haddingtonshire
Parish Number: 711
Civil Parish: Innerwick
Town: Thornton Mill
County: East Lothian
Address: Thornton Mill
Occupation: Miller
ED: 2
Page: 14 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 47
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1851_192
Household Members: Name Age
James Cowe 17
Andrew Learmonth 3
Christian Learmonth 1
Jane Learmonth 27
Margaret Learmonth 1
Peter Learmonth 34
Robert Learmonth 5
Ann Watt 14
Source Citation: Parish: Innerwick; ED: 2; Line: 1; Year: 1851.

My question is do you have a parent for your Peter?
Reason being is I have a James Learmonth b. 1814 Prestonkirk, Haddingtonshire m. Anne Young and am trying to figure out who his parent was. My James childrens names were-from oldest to youngest-
Robert
Margaret
Adam
James
Mary
Elizabeth
Anne
Alexander
Jane
Catherine

With the naming conventions the Scottish had it would seem that your Peter and my James were brothers (some of the same childrens names and oldest being Robert)and I was wondering what you might have for the higher ups to see if there is a match.

Thanks,
Cheryl Derby

Australian Learmonth - Lermontov Family Surname Reunion

btwaters_1 — 2009-02-05 02:45:35Z

In 2007 the Russian Lermontovs invited Learmonths from around the world to a Learmonth - Lermontov Family Surname Reunion. The Russians had a Tartan produced and they also published a very limited edition book 1057 - 2007, 950 year of the History of the Learmonths- Lermontov Family Surname. The Russian Reunion was one of the most amazing experiences of my life.
Australian Learmonths have invited the Lermontovs to Australia in February to an Australian Learmonth - Lermontov Family Surname Reunion.
We have invited every person in Australian with the surname Learmonth and descendants of that name to attend the Reunion.
We need some help and our first Question is does anyone have any Early History on John Learmonth b:July 1783 in Edinburgh? d:6th July 1823 in Edinburgh. Married Margaret Watson. We have all the information on his faily that came to Australia.

Re: Alexander Learmonth

williammackay1 — 2007-12-12 08:50:50Z

Alexander Learmonth was my wife's g-grandfather. He deserted his family in 1885 and emigrated to either America or Australia, probably the former, I have not been able to trace him. Are you related?

Re: Alexander Learmonth

williammackay1 — 2008-02-21 20:15:18Z

Peter and James Learmonth were indeed brothers. They had five brothers and two sisters. Their parents were Robert Learmonth and Margaret Watt who were married on 26/11/1796 at Prestonkirk. Robert Learmonth's parents were Alexander Learmond and Elizabeth Dewar who were married on 6/11/1768 at Haddington. That is as far back as I have been able to go. Robert Learmonth was one of the most prominent farmers of his day in East Lothian. He farmed at Fortune Bank, Prestonkirk. He has a prominent gravestone in Prestonkirk Churchyard. He claimed relationship to James Learmonth, the Covenanter, hanged in Edinburgh in 1678.
Regards
Will Mackay

Re: Alexander Learmonth

williammackay1 — 2008-02-22 08:25:37Z

If you give me your email address, I will see what I can do. The Learmonths had very large families.

Re: adam learmonth

johnduffy47 — 2009-05-27 17:28:17Z

my grandmother was born in may/april 1918

Re: Learmonth Family, True Thomas, Mikhail Lermontov

johnduffy47 — 2009-05-26 19:09:43Z

i too am related to thomas the border poet,my grandmother jane learmonth use to tell me storys about thomas and also a ancestor who was given the tounge of truth by the fairys..yes it sounds weird but she did....related to the learmonths the lord provest of Edinburgh where my mum hellen was born,my grandmother married to a jack carnall,they had my mum hellen,my uncle donald,and my aunt carolyn...only my aunt is alive now...my nana jean...moved to hull in england,but here family the learmonths are still in Edinburgh.i hope i have given you some information.

Re: adam learmonth

johnduffy47 — 2009-05-26 19:03:44Z

hi there my grandmother was jane learmonth...she was born in glasgow and moved to Edinburgh,she lived in portobello before she moved to england..she had an adopted siser but i dont know who or what her name was,it may be a lead but im not sure

Re: Learmonths - Edinburgh, Scotland

johnduffy47 — 2009-05-26 18:56:40Z

my grandmother was jane lawson ritchie learmonth and was originaly from glasgow...her father was a mechanical engineer,there is a photo on my site with my mum hellen(duffy)carnall, here mother was jane learmonth...but people new my grandmother as jean..carnall....this may be a lead..but i dont have anymore information

Alexander Learmonth

ashkirk — 2007-10-07 19:39:34Z

Looking for Alexander Learmonth born 1852 East Lothian, Scotland. Mother was Jane/ Jean Taylor and father was Peter Learmonth

Re: Learmonth Family, True Thomas, Mikhail Lermontov

patsyfebruary — 2008-10-23 13:03:25Z

Huntley Burn house sits only 100 yards from Rhymers Glen where Thomas met the Fairy Queen. These things are real and should be looked at with an open mind, noticed anything different in the past few years! Watch V for Vendetta.
Best wishes
Kristofor Learmonth
P.s I do the originals for most of the bands you listen to.
I also predicted Burma and Georgia early last year for the police among other things. My first movie contribution was transformers the movie (my original lyrics )I was 5 years old at the time.

Re: James Learmonth.

sammyemm — 2008-08-19 07:04:01Z

Hi Ally
Still going nuts.Thanks for info.Found that Alexanders parents were James learmonth and Janet Dick. How am I going?
kind regards
vic symons

Re: James Learmonth.

sammyemm — 2008-08-13 00:14:04Z

Dear Alistair,
I am looking for connections to William Learmonth who married Ann Thomson 30/6/1820 and again on 4/7/1821. They had five children, James-1823 Alexander-1821 John-1828 William-1825 and Elizabeth-1831.
I think Williams parents were John Learmonth and Janet Robertson, but not absolutely sure. I would appreciate any help.
kind regards
Vic Symons

Re: Another Alexander Learmonth

Alistair_Learmonth — 2008-03-01 14:49:37Z

Is this the same Jane or Jean Hewit Learmonth that married Alexander Rodger in 26th april 1842 Barony, Lanarkshire, Scotland

Re: James Learmonth.

Alistair_Learmonth — 2008-08-15 17:18:56Z

I have William parents as Alexander Learmonth and Margaret Thomson.

William was a farmer in Muirhouse in Bo'ness, you have his children and spouse correct.

Regards

Alistair

Re: James Learmonth.

Alistair_Learmonth — 2008-08-19 17:02:28Z

Thats the one.

Ally

Re: Learmonth Family, True Thomas, Mikhail Lermontov

Alistair_Learmonth — 2009-03-05 09:14:48Z

More info gleaned about Thomas the Rhymer and not written after 1803 either.

The facts derive from what was written for the Lord of Isle concerning trade and events or persons involved with him.

Thomas and his son were common vistors as they were actively involved in horse trading. They bought and sold horses by day and in the evenings gave readings of tales, poems, etc it must have supplied him an in road to trade having two skills to trade off. This was also mixed with the prophecies we often read about. They were never mentioned as Learmonth and the two people are one and the same as both did it, father and son- so tales of him could be blurred. It would explain why they are found all over Scotland the horse trading part, they would need a reason to venture North-South-West & East. If they had noble birth even being illigitamate they would have used it, the Lord of Isle background was not much different. Prestige was the thing with the Northern Scots of the time and Thomas would have used all he had to talk himself up to enter trade or make deals. But he never called himself Learmonth- footnote Horse Trading was a Tinker or Gypsy trade to be involved, this could be a another origin of Thomas and may answer his Prophecy part of his character.

Why Sir Walter selected Learmonth as their name is more the question. Most reports I have read using this surname date after Sir Walter and any historic notes nearer the time of Thomas never did.

Sir Walter needed money at the time and was nearing banruptcy and his prolific writing to aid him in being solvent would not stop at the truth. A story or a good story takes sometimes fiddling with truth to make fit. But to use this as a statement of fact is different.

As for the Janet Dairsie never found her or her family in any land deeds or sasines. I never found the family involved in Fife politics which is very strange, I think this is figment of Sir walter imagination to make events suit his story. The Castle of Dairsie was bought along with the Land by David Learmonth of Clatto in 1520 (a Tanner/Farmer/Provost of St Andrews twice) by trade who did rather well out of the leather trade exporting it through ports from St Andrews and Crail. Clatto is just over the hill South of Dairsie 2 or 3 miles at most more if you go by the road.

Sir Walter Scott I would put in the same realms as Nigel Tranter, but to use as factual from both their writings is a huge error. But read for yourself the historic evidence it is easily gleaned from The Scottish Library or such.

Re: Learmonth Family, True Thomas, Mikhail Lermontov

Alistair_Learmonth — 2008-10-26 11:48:29Z

Please read where Sir Walter gleaned his facts from and conclude from that.

Was their a person called Thomas the Rhymer, all probability their was or someone of the ilk, was he called Learmonth (no facts)but he could have been or his wife was.

Did his son marry into Fife through Janet Dairsie, fiction by Sir Walter not factual.The Learmonth did not arrive in St Andrews to a Century later (Fact)

Did Thomas the Rhymer die being kept by the diocese of Glasgow after his granting his lands to Sulta (fact)

Did Thomas meet with William Wallace, yes according to one report of the times.

As for Fairies and the rest of the tales you can make up your own mind, I am very sceptical

Re: adam learmonth

Alistair_Learmonth — 2009-05-27 10:15:50Z

John

Have you dates for Jane Learmonth born in Glasgow?

Alistair

Re: Another Alexander Learmonth

Alistair_Learmonth — 2008-03-01 11:41:16Z

I do not have any birth for Alexander Learmonth only his marriage in Linlithgow Parish to Florentia Roberstson, I have two children I know off Margaret born 1791 and Alexander born 1794.

I might do a quick check to see if there is any other info I did not enter on my data file from my hand notes done when I researched the parish records.

Re: Another Alexander Learmonth

Alistair_Learmonth — 2008-03-01 14:08:12Z

Oopps forgot to say i have Florentia on census in 1841 she was staying with her Grandson Thomas Spens Learmonth in Lanarkshire.

Who is looking for this family by the way?

Re: Another Alexander Learmonth

Alistair_Learmonth — 2008-03-01 13:43:13Z

The biggest problem is sorting out the marriages and it seems the high death rates experienced with the wifes marrying into these families.

The closest I have for a father and mother for this Alexander is Alexander Learmonth and Janet Anderson giving him a birth of about July 1766 in Polmont Stirlingshire, Scotland. If correct??? its anyones guess until better facts appear.

As for Florentia I have here parents as William Robertson and Margaret Fullarton, this seems to match the first child naming and gives Florentia a birth date off 7 Feb 1763 Bo'ness, West Lothian, Scotland.

To aid Polmont and Bo'ness and Linlithgow are all very close proximity and the Learmonth families seem to have moved and farmed all inbetween these areas, Torphichen is South of Linlithgow and near Bathgate, Muiravonside is between Polmont and Linlithgow. Not a great deal of distance between them at all.

regards

Alistair

alexander learmonth

suzziesmith2411 — 2008-03-05 11:02:09Z

i have ALEXANDER LEARMONTH IN MY family tree too,he was born alexander learmonth born BERWICKSHIRE SCOTLAND 9TH MAY 1900.DIED 12 OCT 1982 KURRI KURRI NEW SOUTH WALES AUST, His father thomas learmonth and mother margaret anderson ,alexander learmonth married charlotte crawford ALNWICK ENGLAND born 16nov 1904 died 30th june 1987,father THOMAS CRAWFORD, MOTHER ISABELLA HALL ,,,,,,,,,,SEND ME A EMAIL suzzie2411@hotmail.com if they are in your family tree cheers