Well I believe you have most of it right. There is no proof anywhere that I have found that he was actually from Holland the country. John his son is buried in Watseka Il and I have pictures of his tomb stone and all of the Lymans in the Lyman cemetary in Illinois. Where did you find that john the father died in 1807? I have tried to find some one in Philadelphia, Pa to help me look up some facts about John the father.I have a lot of stuff in my files about 15000 lyman relatives all over the united states. I had hoped I could find this out before I leave this world but don't know for sure.