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Re: Reuben Mabe again

JimMabe — 2009-11-15 21:50:47Z

David,

Let's review the facts.

According to the census records Reuben was from North Carolina. According to his wife's War of 1812 pension claim he served in a unit that was formed in Germantown, North Carolina which at one time was the county seat for Stokes County.

In the 1800, 1810, 1820 census records there are no Mabe, Mayab, Mabb, or any other variations of the Mabe name in the North Carolina censuses except in Stokes County.

According to the pension record for William Mabe (1813-1896), a possible son of Reuben, his family moved to Tennessee in about 1822. His census records say he was born in North Carolina. Reuben Mabe shows up in the Tennessee census in 1830 for the first time.

A Reuben Mabe is listed as a son in Reuben Mabe's will which was written in 1853 and probated in 1856 in Stokes County.

David Mabe shows up in the census records for the first and only time in 1850 living in Hawkins County, Tennessee. He is from North Carolina.

My question is this. Based on this information how can you be so convinced that David and Reuben are brothers, or Reuben is not from Stokes County, North Carolina?

Jim Mabe

Re: Reuben Mabe again

drdjones — 2009-11-14 03:52:18Z

This is a tough issue. I may be wrong, but the documentation about the Mabe line seems to be inadequate to determine the genealogy of th Mabes. My interest is in Reuben Mabe of Hawkins County in the 1800s. I am not sure that he is directly related to the Mabes of Stokes County, NC, although I am convinced that he was the brother of David Mabe of Hawkins Count before 1860.

Re: Reuben Mabe again

JimMabe — 2009-10-29 21:47:12Z

David,

Nice hearing from you.

I have no contact with anyone that is part of a Mabe DNA study. I, for one, can not be part of such a study. My grandfather's father was not Samuel Mabe, but a man whose last name was Douglas. This information came to me from my father by way of my mother.

If I didn't have that piece of information I could incorrectly give false DNA information because on all known records, such as the 1870 and 1880 census, Samuel's pensions, I am a descendant of Samuel Mabe.

Jim

MABE Fred Edwin 1896 1963 Texas cwt US Navy W W I and II

t42GreenAcres_JohnsonCoTX — 2009-10-20 18:09:55Z

MABE Fred Edwin 1896 1963 Texas cwt US Navy W W I and II

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MABE Daisy May 1899 1987 beloved mother and granny

t42GreenAcres_JohnsonCoTX — 2009-10-20 18:09:41Z

MABE Daisy May 1899 1987 beloved mother and granny

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MABE Bobbie WHITE with loved ones

t42GreenAcres_JohnsonCoTX — 2009-10-20 18:09:30Z

MABE Bobbie WHITE with loved ones

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MABE R E 1929 1983

t42GreenAcres_JohnsonCoTX — 2009-09-17 20:24:43Z

MABE R E 1929 1983

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Re: Reuben Mabe again

drdjones — 2009-09-15 22:49:34Z

Jim,

What is the status of the Mabe DNA study? Are there any individuals who appear to be Mabe but do not carry the name. The reason that I ask is that Reuben Mabe of Hawkins County was accused of haveing at least child out of wedlock.

David

MABE Jessie Mae 1904 1994 together forever

t42GreenAcres_JohnsonCoTX — 2009-09-09 20:10:55Z

MABE Jessie Mae 1904 1994 together forever

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MABE Charlie W 1900 1984 together forever

t42GreenAcres_JohnsonCoTX — 2009-09-09 20:10:36Z

MABE Charlie W 1900 1984 together forever

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James Dixon Mabe, Walnut Cove, NC -- obit.

Heliogabalus — 2009-08-13 21:43:22Z

WALNUT COVE - Mr. James Dixon Mabe, Sr., 86, went home to be with the Lord on Tuesday, August 11, 2009, following a courageous battle with Alzheimer's Disease. He was born October 13, 1922, to Gid and Gussie Mabe in the Dillard Community of Stokes County. He graduated from Pine Hall High School then served in Burma with the United States Army during World War II. Dixon married Beulah on November 7, 1947, then he worked various jobs, including delivery person for Kleen-Rite Cleaners in Walnut Cove, before going to work for RJ Reynolds Tobacco Company at their newly opened Brook Cove Plant in 1959. He was a long-time member of Oak Grove Baptist Church in Dillard, serving as a deacon, Sunday School superintendent, and several other positions. He was an adopted member of First Baptist Church of Walnut Cove. He loved music, especially southern Gospel and bluegrass. He played his guitar with his brother, Lindy, and friends until a broken wrist put an end to this in the 1980's. If smiles were a communicable disease then he was a "carrier" and a definite "people person" even after Alzheimer's started taking his memory away. In addition to his parents, he was preceded in death by a brother, Lindy Mabe. Surviving are his wife of 62 years, Beulah Mabe Mabe; four children and their spouses, Barbara and Tom Sanders of Durham, Wanda and Bill Whitaker of Walnut Cove, Jim and Susan Mabe of Winston-Salem, and David and Teresa Mabe of Walnut Cove; seven grandchildren, Robbie (Andrea) Sanders of Charlotte, Will (Lisa) Whitaker of Durham, Jason (Kristen) Whitaker of Mocksville, Rebecca Williams of the United States Army, Ronnie (Mandy) Sanders of Creedmoor, Whitney Mabe and Shelby Mabe both of Walnut Cove; five great-grandchildren, Jordan, LeeElla and Emily Williams of Houston, TX, Savanna and Evan Sanders of Charlotte; sister, Betty Lou (Grady) Mabe of Madison; brother, Edison (Elaine) Mabe of Germanton; and foster brother, Ray (Bonnie) Rhodes of Madison. A funeral service will be held Friday, August 14, 2009, at Oak Grove Baptist Church. Burial will follow in the church cemetery. [EDITED]

Published in the Winston-Salem Journal on 8/13/2009.

MABE Lloyd L and Georgia F

t42RoseHill — 2009-05-27 17:37:44Z

MABE Lloyd L and Georgia F

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MABE J W and Lomis C

t42RoseHill — 2009-05-27 17:37:26Z

MABE J W and Lomis C

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Re: Reuben Mabe again

JimMabe — 2009-05-09 19:07:02Z

David,

I was just responding to your statement in the previous posting that there were no documents that suggested that the Hawkins County Reuben Mabe was not from Stokes County, North Carolina. That is why I pointed you to the 1812 pension applications filed by Abner Mabe and Polly Mabe, the widow of the Hawkins County Reuben Mabe and the similarity of the names of their respective commanding officers. I am glad that you think, as I do, that the Hawkins County Reuben Mabe came from Stokes County.

Abner Mabe is the son of the senior Stokes County Reuben Mabe. He is listed as such in Reuben's 1853 will that was probated in 1856. I'm sorry that you misunderstood and thought that I thought that the Hawkins County Reuben Mabe was his father.

The reason I pointed you to the article that I wrote about the possible father of the Hawkins County Reuben Mabe is so you could and anyone else could see what facts have been gathered from the census records, pension records, will records, and court records that could help in the search of the identity of his father.

There is no direct evidence, such as a census record, death record, birth record and such that proves his father's identity, but I think there is strong circumstatial evidence that points toward the Stokes County Rebuen Mabe as his father. At least that's the conclusion I arrived at after studying the known facts.

Other than the War of 1812 pension applications, I think the key pieces of facts are 1) Reuben Mabe Sr's 1853 will that lists a son named Reuben, 2) the overall 1850 census records for anyone named Reuben Mabe, and 3) the 1820 Stokes County census record for Reuben Mabe Sr.

Since his son Reuben was alive in 1853 he should be listed somewhere in the 1850 census records or prior to 1850. The 1820 census record for Reuben Mabe Sr indicates that at least one other family was living in his household.

David, I think you mistyped some of the dates in your post.

I will look into William's and his father's census records and see how they fall out. Since William did not appear in the census records until 1830 I think William stayed at his father's house until after his father's death. Most of Robert's children married late in life.

The Hawkins County David Mabe listed in 1850 census will always have to be included in any analysis of the Hawkins and Hancock County, Tennessee Mabes. But piece by piece things might be falling together on some of his family. Did you see the pension application of Margaret Mabe Smith Ferrell that Ronnie Ferrell posted? I think she might be connected to this David Mabe. There is also a Lawson connection.

I agree with you that the DNA tests are needed to prove his hertiage.

Jim

Reuben Mabe again

drdjones — 2009-05-08 22:22:13Z

Jim,

There are actually several different issues here. I personally think that Reuben Mabe from Hawkins County was a Mabe from Stokes County, NC, but I don't think there is any evidence that he was the Reuben Mabe of Reuben Mabe Sr. He can't be John Mabe Sr's son because Reuben Mabe Sr said in an affidavit that Lucy Helton and John Sr were married in Rockingham County in 1880 or 1885. Roda Mabe said that they were married in 1891 and their first three children were Anna and Alexander, and Nancy Mabe, spanning the birth of the Hawkins County Reuben Mabe. Also, you have to explan David Mabe who lived in Stokes County until after 1840. He lived next to William Mabe. Reuben Mabe named some of his children Alexander Mabe, William Mabe (b. about 1770), and David Mabe. So, it seems like Reuben Mabe may be an unknown son of William Mabe.

Re: JD Mabe. He was born in Hancock County Tennessee

drdjones — 2009-05-05 22:07:38Z

There is no evidence that Abner Mabe was a son of the Hawkins County Reuben Mabe as far as I know--unless you have a document that states that. In fact, he is usually listed as a brother of Hawkins County Reuben Mabe. Now, we know that Alexander Mabe was born in NC about 1817 and that Reuben was his father--court debt document-- so Reuben was there at that time. There were several Reuben Mabes in NC including Stokes. In fact, if you read the John Mabe document,s then Reuben of Hawkins County was not his son. Mary Mabe was the daughter of Hennis Lawson, and she had numerous children out of wedlock. Her statement of being married isn't supported by any data. Until we get some DNA data, I am not sure tha any were actually Reuben's children.

Re: JD Mabe. He was born in Hancock County Tennessee

JimMabe — 2009-05-03 23:30:52Z

David,

I will disagree with your statement that there are no documents that Reuben is from Stokes County, North Carolina. There are two documents that taken together would prove that he is from there. The first is the War of 1812 pension application of Abner Mabe, a proven Stokes County resident whose father is Reuben Mabe. The second is the aforementioned War of 1812 pension application that Reuben's widow, Polly, filed after his death. Both documents stated that they served with a North Carolina militia unit under the command of Jerry or Barry Cloud. The Barry Cloud was mentioned in Polly's application. This name was based on Polly's best recollection of Reuben's commanding officer's name. The name similarities are unmistakeable proof that they served in the same unit.

I also compiled a report named 'Who is the Hawkins County, Tennessee Reuben Mabe father?' It is located at: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/m/a/b/James-E-Mab...

I hope you would read it and offer your valued opinion on it.

Jim

Re: JD Mabe. He was born in Hancock County Tennessee

drdjones — 2009-04-08 21:00:56Z

Reuben I know well. He married the daughter of Hennis Lawson whose children were the cousins of Banks Lawson--stated in a pension file. So, I have tracked him over the yearx. We know from records of William Mabe that William was the son of Reuben. What I was saying however, is that the NC genealogy of Reuben Mabe appears to be speculation. There does not appear to be any records proving that he was from Stokes County other than that the name Reuben appears in Stokes County Mabe/Maib families. As far as I can tell, the Hawkins County Reuben is not mentioned in Stokes County records. If you know of any let me know.

Re: MCBEE DNA TEST

2009-04-08 00:25:38Z

Gwyn, I have been researching the Mabe line for quite a while andhave run into a lot of different spellings that you don't have in your query. They are, Maib, Maaybe, Maybe and others. My mother was a Mabe and I have quite a collection about the Mabe family. My research goes back to 1669 in England when William Mabe was convicted of burgerly and sent to the colines for a 7 year indnture. After his endinture he was granted 204 acres of land in Va. Most of my reserch has descended from him. Hope to hear from you.

Re: Mabes in Missouri and Kansas

mstaylor222 — 2009-03-25 00:16:57Z

SOrry, what I have is straight from Jim Mabe's wonderful website on the Mabe, I have not done any original research myself. The citation I have is "John D m Marie E Fightmaster, 8 Jan 1874, Clay Co, MO (Morris/MHixson)but neglected to write down where I got it." However, Jim has put John son of Morris as a John Wesley Mabe married to Cornelia, so there needs to be some original record tracking to be done to clarify who's who.

Re: Bert Mabe found

mstaylor222 — 2009-03-25 00:09:52Z

I am still very interested in finding more Mabe family in Missouri and Kansas. Still alot of connections to be made.

In 1900 census, any of the following sound familiar?
John D Mabe
Home in 1900: Kansas City Ward 1, Wyandotte, Kansas
Age: 47
Birth Date: Mar 1853
Birthplace: Missouri
Race: White
Ethnicity: American
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Father's Birthplace: At Sea
Mother's Birthplace: Ireland
Spouse's Name: Cornelia L
Marriage Year: 1875
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 25
Residence : Kansas City, Wyandotte, Kansas
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John D Mabe 47
Cornelia L Mabe 45
William E Mabe 9
George J Mabe 3
Frederick Mabe 24
John D Mabe 22
Annie E Mabe 18
Walter W Harris 27

Re: Bert Mabe found

mstaylor222 — 2009-03-26 00:34:43Z

I have spent the entire day combing the Internet and my files for this family, and have found very little. Would you please add to the knowledge here to help in further research? I am very intrigued that this Mabe family appears to be out of Ireland, and not related to the well-researched William & Elizabeth Mabe family. I am also frustrated in that that I am almost sure that I had Archie Mabe's obit, but now cannot find it. I will keep looking.

1900 Census, KS, Wyandotte County, Kansas City, Ward 1
Mabe, John D. head, white male, March 1853, 47 MO, At Sea-Ireland, RR laborer
Cornelia L., wife, white female, May 1858, 45, MO, KY-MO
William E., son, white male, Jan 1891, 9, MO
Frederick, son white male, Aug 1875, 24, MO
John D., son, white male, July 1877, 22, MO, RR laborer
Annie E., daughter, white female, March 1882, 18, IA

1910 Census, KS, Wyandotte County, Kansas City
Mabe, John, head, white male, 22, married, MO, MO-MO, RR laborer
Katie, wife, white female, 20, married, MO, MO-KY
Archie, son, white male, 0, single, KS, MO-MO

1930 Census, KS, Wyandotte, Kansas City
Mabe, John D., head, white male, 52, married 31, c1878 MO, US-US, meat packing Co. laborer
Kate, wife, white female, 39, married 18, c1891 MO, KY-KY
Archie. T., son, 20, married 20, c1910 KS, MO-MO, pressman
John D. Jr. son, 17, single, c1913 KS, MO-MO, laborer
Ora B., daughter-in-law, white female, 21, married 21, c1909 OK, US-US

Mabe Family
John Daniel Mabe (Mar 1853-), father
Cornelia L. () Mabe (May 1858-), mother
(son) William E. Mabe (May 1858-)
(son) Frederick Mabe (Aug 1875-)
(son) John Daniel Mabe Jr. (July 1877-)
(John'swife) Katie (Tarwater) Mabe (c1890-)
(John's son) Archie Thomas Mabe (1909-1986)
(Archie's wife) Samyra (Flanagan) Mabe (c1907-)
(Archie's son) John Daniel Mabe III (c1913-)
(John III's wife) Ora B. () Mabe (c1909-)
(daughter) Annie E. Mabe (Mar 1882-)

Social Security Application
Archie Thomas Mabe 510-07-1272; 3916 Springfield, Kansas City, Kansas, employed by Victory Cab Company, 1015 State KCK; age 31, b August 12, 1909 in Kansas City, Kansas; father John Daniel Mabe, mother Kate Tarwater; male, white; signed Dec. 2, n.d., Archie T. Mabe.

Descendants of John (Jorg Veit) Fightmaster
http://www.genealogy.com/users/f/r/a/Nancy-S-Frank/ODT4-0015...
....... 4 Maria Fightmaster b: Abt. 1843
.......... +John D. Mabe m: January 08, 1874 in Clay Co. MO
John D m Marie E Fightmaster, 8 Jan 1874, Clay Co, MO (Morris/MHixson)

Missouri Marriage, 1805-2002
Archie T Mabe 30 abt 1910 Samyra Flanagan 33 abt 1907 17 Apr 1940 Clay (both of Kansas City, Wyandotte Co, KS)

ARCHIE MABE 12 Aug 1909 May 1986 66104 (Kansas City, Wyandotte, KS) (none specified) 510-07-1272 Kansas

6. Joseph Samuel Hilton, born August 12, 1849 in Sullivan county Tennessee died December 10, 1905 in Wichita, Sedgwick county Kansas. (Joseph was run over by a Frisco switch engine and his legs severed. He died from the trauma) married Loretta Corbett March 5, 1872 in Fisher, Fremont county Iowa. Went from Iowa to Kansas about 1880.

Re: Bert Mabe found

lizzybee27925 — 2009-03-30 13:12:01Z

I think that my mother might have been one of the children from one of John Daniel Mabe III's 3 marriages. Do you have any info on any of his wives? My biological grandmother's maiden name was Elizabeth Jane Reed (could be Reid)I remember my mother telling me that she had 2 other sisters from her mom and supposedly JDMabe. They were, however, separated when they were adopted out. This can't be a coincidence.

Re: Bert Mabe found

lizzybee27925 — 2009-03-30 13:01:20Z

This is insane. I am making some connections, finally... When my mother was born, the name she was given was Samyra...I can't believe this is a coincidence and the John Daniel Mabe III that you listed had a mother named Samyra. I am judging that it is a family name. However, I haven't seen it before now. This is getting me very interested. I also know that my mother's people were Irish.

Re: Bert Mabe found

lizzybee27925 — 2009-03-30 12:55:12Z

All I know of them is that my mother, who was adopted out by her biological mother, was born to a John Daniel Mabe and her biological mother Elizabeth Jane Reed (could be spelled Reid).

Re: Bert Mabe found

lizzybee27925 — 2009-04-07 20:20:08Z

I just found out that Norma passed away about 3 years ago. My family doesn't tell me anything. However, my grandmother might talk to you (or at least tell you some of the truth)where she might not talk to anyone else. I would be willing to give you her phone number and address if you would like to try and contact her. You can call me if you want as well, my number is 252-619-8689. This is my cell number and I am aware of the time difference, so don't worry about what time you call.

I also found out that my mother was born on my grandmother's 18th birthday. This would have made my grandmother's birth year 1928 so I am now almost completely certain that the records you found are the correct ones. I am going to find out today the names of my great grandmother and great grandfather.

Re: Bert Mabe found

lizzybee27925 — 2009-04-07 20:03:53Z

I will see if I can get you anything for my grandmother's sister. It will be tricky, but I will do my best.

Re: Bert Mabe found

lizzybee27925 — 2009-04-07 20:02:25Z

Correct and correct. I am almost certain that is them. My grandmother and I share a name it would be Elizabeth Jane Reed. Her birth year seems about correct, too. She was only about 20 something when my mother was born.

Re: Bert Mabe found

lizzybee27925 — 2009-04-02 20:39:18Z

I am wondering if it is possible that my mother was named after someone in the family, though. I am certain that my mother didn't marry Archie, because I know (this sounds terrible) all of my mother's husbands.

This has always been our issue. My mother's name was changed after she was adopted and I am sure that her 2 sisters probably were, too. That is why there has been such a challenge to find them.

Re: Bert Mabe found

lizzybee27925 — 2009-04-02 20:36:15Z

My mother was born in Kansas City, Kansas in Wyandotte County in Providence hospital on March 23, 1946. My grandmother's birthday was also March 23. I am not sure what year and I am fairly certain she was born in Kansas too.

Re: Bert Mabe found

lizzybee27925 — 2009-04-06 19:37:19Z

oh, also, and I almost forot this, my grandmother's sister was the first to marry him, if we are talking about the same man. Her maiden name would be Nora Reed or Reid, I am unsure how it is spelled but I think it is Reed and she still lives in Kansas, I believe in the KC area. She might be a little more forth right and truthful than my grandmother is. She may be a key to learning more about him. Because my grandmother told my mother that JD Mabe that she was married to died of an aneurysm. However, she has lied about so many other things, I am unsure if she was telling the truth. Also, she made the statement that he wasn't a very nice person,(not in those words) and said that he had a habit of getting himself into trouble, which made me wonder if we are talking about the same man. I don't like mysteries unless I can solve them. I am hoping you are the link I have been looking for.

Re: Bert Mabe found

lizzybee27925 — 2009-04-06 19:26:33Z

Actually I live in North Carolina. My mother may not be able to be found because she was formally adopted at the age of 16 so I am sure all of that was sealed, howeve, maybe if we could find a link between JD Mabe III and my grandmother it might lead to something.

Re: Bert Mabe found

lizzybee27925 — 2009-03-31 15:24:26Z

If what you are saying is correct and we are, indeed talking about the same person, JDMabe III's first wife would have been Norma () Reed (not sure about her middle name), they did, indeed have 3 children all of whom were adopted out.

Next would have come my grandmother Elizabeth Jane Reed, who did indeed, have 3 chilren (all girls) Samyra Paula (Sammy for short this was my mother before adoption), Kathy Marie, and Cynthia Sue. (could have been Kathy Sue and Cynthia Marie)

This is amazing to me. My mother, passed away in 2002. I made a promise to her on her death bed to find her sisters, I can't tell you how much you have helped me. I have connected with a family member I didn't know I had. Not only did my mother have 2 sisters, she had more siblings as well. I vowed to find at least Kathy and Cynthia for her, my worst fears are that they have passed on, but if they are still living, I want to find them and tell them what a wonderful person she was. If you find any more information, please keep me posted.

Re: JD Mabe. He was born in Hancock County Tennessee

csands01 — 2009-04-08 02:34:17Z

Check the census for Hawkins Co. Tenn for 1830-1870 for the Reuben Mabe.

Re: Bert Mabe found

AudreyManlyMabe — 2009-03-24 21:27:06Z

I have no Mabes that I know of in MO and KS. All of my husband: Gene's line is from Stokes Co NC. Possibly some from VA; but none in your direction.
I am still trying to find Jerry Daniel Mabe, a brother to Henderson David Mabe, Gene's grandfather.
Sorry. Wish I could help.

Audrey Manly Mabe

Re: Mabes in Missouri and Kansas

emccinc1 — 2009-03-24 21:13:08Z

Mary: I have been told that my Grt Grandfather's mother was a Fightmaster. I believe this is John D Mabe, son of Morris. I would love to talk to you about what you might have on them.

You can email me at : emccinc@embarqmail.com

Re: Bert Mabe found

emccinc1 — 2009-03-27 14:25:53Z

MsTaylor: Small correction, George J Mabe was my grandfathers great uncle, not uncle.

Re: Bert Mabe found

emccinc1 — 2009-03-27 14:22:54Z

Wow. I am so excited to see other people with info about my family. MStaylor: Where & what info do you have on John D Mabe III B: abt. 1913. I have info on JD Mabe Jr & Sr, but haven't been able to find much info abt. JD Mabe III. JD III is my grandfather's father. My Grandfather was raised by George J. Mabe, his uncle. His father, JD Mabe III was not a nice person and was actually murdered sometime after 1959. I read your info about 100 times yesterday, but I have some conflicts.

To make it easy, I will refer to John Daniel as JD, either I, II, or III.

JD Mabe I,B:March 1853, married to Cornelia, had the following children according to my records: William E, Frederick, JD II, Annie, George J.(this is the one I mentioned above). However George J.'s mother, I am told was Maria Fightmaster. So not all of the above children have the same mother.

JD Mabe II,B:July 1877, married to Kate Tarwater, had the following children: Archie, JD III, Mary.

JD Mabe III,B: abt.1913, was married 3 times with 3 children with each wife. I know for a fact that 1 wife was Mildred Cunningham. JD III & Mildred had Robert D., B:10/1/1933, D:8/12/1980. Robert D. is my grandfather. The other children of JD III are Rebecca (Gonzalez), Luther (died at 3 yrs old), Ricky. Ricky's wife, Joyce is still alive and done some research, thats who I have gotten alot of info from.

What confused me is you indicated that Archie was JD III's father. My records indicate they were brothers.

Now I am trying to figure out if JD I was son of Morris Maib. Here is the discrepency:

1900 census: John DANIEL Mabe B: March 1853

Jim Mabe's Website: John WESLEY Maib B:December 1853. None of the children according to the extensive research Jim Mabe has done matches the 1900 census.

I will throw a monkey wrench at you, according to Joyce, the only one in my family who has done any research at all, before George J. passed away in 1984, he indicated he had a brother named Charlie. There is a son of JW Maib named Charles. Not sure if this is the same person.

So where do we go from here? I can fill you in on the remainder of my family from my grandfather, Robert D. if you like, all the way to my children.

Re: Bert Mabe found

emccinc1 — 2009-03-25 14:03:09Z

Now we're getting somewhere. 1900 Census- the John D.(Daniel) Mabe who is HOH is my grt-grt grandfather. His son, also named John Daniel Mabe is my grt grandfather. Our family was close to John's brother George J, but unfortuneately not close with John. We have been told that George's mother was a Fightmaster. I have to believe that I am on the right line here. I can't believe this is just a coincidence.

Re: Bert Mabe found

emccinc1 — 2009-04-08 19:38:57Z

Lizzy: Will contact you when I get some time. Also have some amazing pictures of JD III & Liz as well as some others. Will send you everything I have.

Re: Bert Mabe found

emccinc1 — 2009-04-06 21:57:10Z

Lizzy: Just found a 1930 census, from Mission, in Johnson County, KS. Lists:

John W Reed: Head of House, Born abt. 1891
Grace Reed: Wife, Born 1907
Leroy: Son, Born 1923
Norma J, Born 1924
Charles, Born 1925
Elizabeth, born abt. 1928

Could the Elizabeth be your gma, and the Norma be your gma's sister. That would mean that JD III married sisters, correct?

JD Mabe III

emccinc1 — 2009-04-06 21:56:10Z

Re: Bert Mabe found

emccinc1 — 2009-04-06 21:44:30Z

Do you know if Nora remarried??? Or has other children???

Re: Bert Mabe found

emccinc1 — 2009-04-06 21:39:39Z

It has to be the same man. Many of my family members, including my only family source to do history research, have said that JD Mabe III died of an aneurysm, and she said that he might have been murdered in fact. Do you have any contact info for Nora Reed???

I am still researching, but I have hit a brickwall. I contacted Memorial Park Cemetery in KCKS, supposedly where JD III was buried, but they have no record of him.

Re: Bert Mabe found

emccinc1 — 2009-03-30 14:34:57Z

Lizzy: One more thing. According to 1900 Cenus, John Daniel Mabe I, was married to Cornelia Fightmaster. Census has JD's mother's birthplace as Ireland, and his father's birthplace as "at sea".

I am starting to believe that Cornelia & Maria are the same person. I have some info on Maria Fightmaster, daughter of George Fightmaster, but can't find info on "Cornelia".

Also, JD Mabe III is buried at Memorial Park Cemetary in Kansas City, KS.

Re: Bert Mabe found

emccinc1 — 2009-03-30 14:28:10Z

Lizzy: I know that one of JD(III)'s wives was Mildred Cunningham. This was my grandfathers mother. I just attained some pictures over the weekend that I will try to post somewhere in the next week. John Daniel Mabe III was born Sept. 25, 1912 in Kansas City, KS.

Here is what I know of JD(III)'s wives:
Wife #1(name unknow) had: Becky (Gonzalez), Danny & ???. All adopted out.

Wife #2: Liz (your gma I assume) had: Sammy, Kathy & ???.
All adopted out.

Wife #3: Mildred Cunningham, had: Robert (my Gpa), Luther (died at age 3), and Ricky.

My grandfather, Robert Darrold Mabe, died in 1980, and his brother Ricky died within the past few years. Ricky's wife, Joyce is still alive and done some research, I have gotten alot of info from her.

According to Joyce (Ricky's wife), Archie T., who was JD(III)'s brother was once married to a Samara (this is exactly how she spelled it) and together Samara & Archie adopted Becky (their niece & one of JD's daughters) and maybe had a daughter of their own named Lilliam ????. Not totally sure about this.

JD(III)'s mother was not Samyra, it was Kate Tarwater, according to my records.

This is fun isn't it..

Re: Bert Mabe found

emccinc1 — 2009-04-03 20:04:23Z

Lizzy: Wow, I have found records in the early 1900's & late 1800's, than I can on your mother & JD Mabe III. I haven't been able to find anything. Are you in the KC area?? I have told my mom about corresponding with you.

You would be something like 2nd half cousins, if such a thing exists. Will let you know if I run across something.

Re: Bert Mabe found

emccinc1 — 2009-04-01 14:22:47Z

Lizzy: Do you know location & approximate birthdate of your mother or grandmother?????

Re: Bert Mabe found

emccinc1 — 2009-04-01 14:18:30Z

Lizzy: I am a little confused. I have a marriage license showing Archie T. Mabe (JD III's brother) marrying a Samyra Flanagan. Maybe this is a coincidence. I would assume this isn't your mother, if it was that would mean that your mother married her uncle. Very interesting though. Will do more research to see what I can find.

Re: JD Mabe. He was born in Hancock County Tennessee

drdjones — 2009-04-08 00:01:29Z

The problem that you face is that the genealogy of Reuben Mabe of Hawkins County is pure speculation. Mabes and their name variants were found all of NC and VA in 1800 and 1810. As far as I can tell, there is no documentation linking Reuben Mabe to any of the Stokes County, NC Mabes.