Maitland - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: General Curtis LeMay

pearmbeatgutz — 2009-06-18 22:00:14Z

no not at all in ohio im the grandson of clarence lemay and general lemay was my either my great or great great uncle would have to ask parents or find the family bible and look it up but they moved all over texas, arkansas, alabama, general Lemays main sac base was little rock AFB there are even some great stories and tragedies throughout the family about brothers and sons being sold and separated never to be seen again im not only honored to be a descendant of the man who faught to arm the airforce in vietnam but ive had the pleasure of meeting many men and women that worked for him under strategic air command and MAC and all anyone can ever tell me is how amazing he was he always came down to visit my family in alabama and his favorite thing to do was sit on either the alabama river in selma and fish or sit on the white river with my grandfather in arkansas and go fishing

Re: Balgreggan House, Wigtownshire

annmacpherson — 2009-06-05 16:51:43Z

Was Balgreggan House occupied by the Military during the war

Re: parents of James Finley Maitland--PA

reddfamilyhistory — 2009-05-30 02:13:15Z

I meant to get back and thank you for the help. Sorry it took so long.

Re: Fances Dalziel MAITLAND, John MAITLAND

haross153 — 2009-05-13 12:27:02Z

I use the surf canyon free browser add on search engine which plumbs search results from, say, Google in more depth. (www.surfcanyon.com). Via surf canyon there are many mentions of these Maitlands in scanned Victorian publications in Google books, which give a fascinating picture of their lives and times.

Thus a John Maitland, writer, is mentioned in Whig publications/pamphlets as having attended lively meetings often in connection with the Reform Bill. Some of these meetings were held in Glasgow. A recent visit I made to the new Family History Centre in Edinburgh revealed that the 1841 census showed a John Maitland, writer, (aged 45, born in England) staying in a sort of hotel in Glasgow, with many people who did not seem to be of his social class.

The death certificate of Kenmure Maitland (1824-1873), Sheriff Clark of the Lothians, gives his father´s profession as a political agent. Thus John Maitland (mar. F Dalyell) may possibly have been on Whig political business in Glasgow on the 1841 census night, instead of with three of his children in South Circus Place.

The 1861 census return for Kenmure Maitland (residing 8 Gilmore Place, Edinburgh) shows him with two children, John Gordon (13 in 1861) and Catherine Stuart and married to Louisa Gilbert Maitland. A look at his will and testament shows the executer of his estate as being John Gordon Maitland, advocate. John Gordon was a student of law in the 1871 census, living with Kenmure and Louisa (no Catherine) at 16 Scotland Street. Kenmure had downsized in residence and was renting out 8 Gilmore Place to one John Dewar, according to the inventory of his estate.

Re: Fances Dalziel MAITLAND, John MAITLAND

timaitland2 — 2009-05-12 15:48:40Z

I only saw this thread recently and was interested because it touches on the main Maitland pedigree in a number of areas.

Firstly the South Circus Place household:

Eliza Maitland does appear to be the widow of John Bushby Maitland, who was born John Hay Bushby, but took the name of Maitland when his mother, Grizel Maitland, inherited her father’s estate. The Susan Bushby must a relation of his. Eliza’s maiden name I believe was Carnac, although there are several different spellings.

Frederick Lewis Heriot Maitland is quite a distant cousin and, as you say, a grandson of Capt. Frederick Lewis Maitland. I have a problem however with Mary Turner Wedderburn Heriot-Maitland. Although Frederick had four sisters, none of them was named Mary & the only candidate I know of would be Mary Turner Scrymgeour-Wedderburn, who married a James Dalgleish Heriot-Maitland, but not until 1903!

Lauderdale Maitland is recorded as the eldest son of John Bushby Maitland & Eliza Carnac. John (b. 1822), Kenmure (b. 1824) and Mary (b. 1828) are the children of John Maitland & Frances Dalyell, as is James (b. 1833). Perhaps the parents, with him as the youngest child, were just visiting friends or relations at the time of the Census?

The interesting fact is that the death certificate of John (husband of Frances) gives as informant ‘L Maitland, half-brother’. This is presumably Lauderdale. But I cannot identify John’s other parent.

Frances Jane does not seem to be part of this family. The only Blair connection I can find is that John Bushby (Maitland)’s mother-in-law was a Blair.

Apart from your suggestion that Fances Dalyell might be a Gordon descendant, there is another Maitland connection in that Rev Dr James Maitland who was minister of Kells from 1826 and who married Louisa Bellamy-Gordon had a sister whose daughter (Elizabeth Hobbs) married William Maitland, brother of Lauderdale & John. I don’t have a date, but William he is recorded as second son after Lauderdale, who was born 1809.

Re: Fances Dalziel MAITLAND, John MAITLAND

sdonlea1 — 2009-05-07 12:50:53Z

Thank you, smaitlan1! The John Maitland I am looking for had three daughters - Annie Elizabeth (b abt 1850, place unknown), Fanny (b abt 1855, place unknown) and Alice Maude (b 12 Dec 1857 in Malta) They married three Le Marchand (Lemarchand) brothers in Lahore in the 1870s. The witness at one of the weddings was T. Maitland. Family legend has it that the Maitlands were a military family. I have searched England & Wales births, Scottish births, India Office baptismal records and Maltese church records (Church of England and Church of Scotland) without success.

Re: Aberdeen Maitland Ancestors

smaitlan1 — 2009-05-07 10:27:12Z

Still stuck at 1750. I had plans to visit Aberdeen this year but had to cancel. If anyone else has MAITLAND connections in Peterhead, New Deer, Old Deer, Old Machar, Woodside, and/or Aberdeen in general, let me know. I have traced many of the indirect MAITLAND lines (i.e., all siblings, marriages, offspring, etc).

Re: Fances Dalziel MAITLAND, John MAITLAND

smaitlan1 — 2009-05-07 10:16:37Z

I will try to find time to search my John MAITLAND files. I have generation after generation, going back to 1750 and mostly in Aberdeen, but not of this line. I have accumulated a large number of mistakes over time and, as you know, there were many John MAITLANDs.

I had one GROS death record list Frances MAITLAND as a father of my John MAITLAND, only to later find out it was in error and the real father was (yet another) John MAITLAND). However, I also had at least 2 legit Frances MAITLAND relatives back in the 1800s.

Re: Fances Dalziel MAITLAND, John MAITLAND

sdonlea1 — 2009-05-06 15:36:33Z

Yes, I have the mother of Frances and Elsie Maitland as Alice Maud Charsley. She and her husband died in Bournemouth, he in 1907 and she in 1908. I think the fact that there is no mention of his having sisters must rule him out from my point of view. Thanks for your help. Back to the drawing board!

Re: Fances Dalziel MAITLAND, John MAITLAND

timaitland2 — 2009-05-06 11:26:20Z

There is no mention of any sisters of Lt-Col John Maitland in the articles & the 'official' pedigrees do not go that far - sorry I can't be of more help on that score.

But I did see from Elsie's IGI record that her mother was given as Alice Maude, whereas in one article she refers to her mother as Alice Charsley of Australia. And Alice does not match any of the the Maude names in your post of 26 November.

Re: Fances Dalziel MAITLAND, John MAITLAND

sdonlea1 — 2009-05-06 10:50:36Z

Thank you for your reply, timaitland2. I have seen Elsie's birth and christening on IGI and also found her at a boarding school in Lewisham in the 1901 Census, along with Frances. My interest would be in possible Maitland aunts (born in the 1850s) of Elsie and Frances. I would very much like to read the articles, if only for the purpose of ruling out this line of enquiry.

Re: Fances Dalziel MAITLAND, John MAITLAND

timaitland2 — 2009-05-06 08:47:51Z

I have just come across this post. Frances Dalyell (rather than Dalzell) Maitland had two sisters, one of whom, Elsie L Maitland (b, c. 1890's) lived in London & wrote two articles for the Clan Maitland Newsletter (If you are related to or descended from a Maitland, you can join the Clan Maitland Society & get copies). The first article identifies Frances. The second covers their descent from John Bushby Maitland's family discussed in Haross 153 & amdm24's posts last December. I will reply to these separately

Re: Maitland DNA

maitlandkelly_1 — 2009-05-01 10:31:47Z

I am certainly interested in this project however whether I am a suitable candidate or not is another matter. My first name is Maitland and originates from a Maitland Hyslop from Stoneykirk Scotland in 1801. There is some suggestion that the name originates from FredK Maitland Esq from Balgreggan House or the name originates from a female relative pre 1770.

Can you let me know if I can be of some use but if not my best wishes with this project.

Maitland

Re: Marie Maitland

timaitland2 — 2009-04-26 12:21:01Z

Any other clues? - e.g. dates

Re: Robert Maitland

timaitland2 — 2009-04-26 12:13:32Z

I have a Louis Maitland whose step-mother was a Gill & who had a step-sister named Helen. Nay clues as to dates & location would help to identify your grandfather's family

Marie Maitland

bluedolphin0712 — 2009-04-17 00:08:01Z

I looking for ancestors of Marie Maitland. From what I understand is that her family came from Norway. They resided in the state of New York.

Re: parents of James Finley Maitland--PA

amdm24 — 2009-03-17 17:15:56Z

Following up my previous reply, William Maitland was the son of John Maitland and Elisabeth Muir, born 17 November 1858 in Houston, Renfrewshire, Scotland. You'll be able to obtain a copy of his birth certificate at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, if you're interested.

Re: parents of James Finley Maitland--PA

amdm24 — 2009-03-17 16:02:26Z

You'll find William and Edith Maitland in Pittsburgh Ward 27 in 1900 - the trick is to search in the index under surname "Maitlans", not "Maitland"! I see that Duncan is recorded as born in 1998; and James Finley does not appear at all, suggesting he may be a year younger than you think.

Re: Maitland DNA

Diana_Gale_Matthiesen — 2008-09-13 21:46:21Z

You've supplied the join link, but what's the address of the project's web site?

Re: Robert Maitland

pedrofn — 2009-01-12 01:49:43Z

My Grandmothers Dad was Louis Maitland... He was married to Gertrude Gill... They had only one daughter helen Emma Maitland....
Any info help me too.....

Re: Ruth Maitland, Leslie M. Maitland

marjorie948 — 2009-02-16 02:46:39Z

Peter - thanks for info. I had no idea Angus had family.
I met Jim in Glasgow years ago and one son Alistair - would this be Alexander? Do you know the names of Harry's children? Who are Ruth and Leslie Maitland - where do they fit in?? My father was Rose Maitland's brother.

Re: Ruth Maitland, Leslie M. Maitland

marjorie948 — 2009-02-17 20:11:11Z

Thanks for info. I got Leslie confused with another Maitland
Did you find grandfather Alex siblings. I know he had one brother as I met the daughter in Vancouver in the late 50's.
Rose's sister Vera's son Alex now retired N of Edinburgh has a son Hamish living in California.
Maybe you could ask Ancestry to release your e mail address to me and we could catch up on more family. It has been great filling in Gaps. I'm the genealogist of the family in Canada.

Re: Ruth Maitland, Leslie M. Maitland

marjorie948 — 2008-10-07 02:46:26Z

Your posting is a bit old but if still around please contact me re the above couple.
Marjorie

Re: Ruth Maitland, Leslie M. Maitland

marjorie948 — 2008-11-24 04:00:09Z

I'm still looking to contact Ruth and Leslie Maitland

Re: Maitland DNA

pwrightmaitlen01 — 2008-07-14 19:07:38Z

You need to be a direct male descendant of a Maitland / Medlin / Maitlen etc. and sign up at the following website:

https://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.aspx?code=L76795&...

or navigate to the projects section of the FTDNA website under M for Maitland.

Once you pay for your kit, it will be mailed to you and with instructions for swabbing the inside of you mouth for cheek cells. You then send back in the kit and release form. The website can answer more specific questions anyone might have.

Thank You

Re: Aberdeen Maitland Ancestors

patunderwood987 — 2008-09-06 19:38:52Z

My gt gt gt grandmother was a Catherine Maitland, who married John Livingston at Kildrummy, Aberdeenshire in 1794. I have no details in relation to Catherine's birth or parents. Given the marriage took place in Aberdeenshire I am assuming Catherine was born in the area (a search of Scotland's People shows a Cathrine Maitland bn 31/5/1788 at Gartly, Aberdeen to a John Maitland and Elspet Cruickshank but I have no way of telling if this is my relative). If anybody has any knowledge of Catherine I'd be very grateful for any information they have to offer.

Re: Maitlands of Jamaica England

timmaitland1 — 2008-10-02 08:19:17Z

I there a "Polly the Freed Slave" anywhere in that lineage?

Tim

Maitland/Midtylland

timmaitland1 — 2008-10-02 08:15:35Z

Has anyone checked into the origins of the Maitland name?
Given our lowland origins and the path the Vikings took through Scotland, it occurs to me that the Danish town of Midtylland might provide the answer.

parents of James Finley Maitland--PA

reddfamilyhistory — 2009-03-15 23:08:47Z

Hi, I'm looking for help with the parents of James Finley Maitland, born in PA 1899. Fin had siblings John Muir, Janet, William, and Duncan. I believe his mothers name to have been Edith (possible maiden name Black). She remarried Elijah Lee around 1909. Edith appears to be from England and her first husband from Scotland based upon information on the children's census reports. I've been unable to track a 1900 census.

Fin married Leona Miller and they had one son Charles Finley Maitland. It appears they lived in PA, OH, and FL if this helps.

Re: Fances Dalziel MAITLAND, John MAITLAND

donlea150 — 2008-11-26 10:28:54Z

Thank you very much for your most interesting message. I may well be an outsider to this particular family too, but am hoping that they are the ones I am looking for! ----- I am in fact seeking a John Maitland born about 1820 (a military family, according to family lore), who appears to have had three daughters (one called Frances). These three Misses Maitland married in Bengal in the 1870s; I have an unverified date of birth for one (Emily Maude, Malta 12 Dec 1857) but have only approximate years of birth for the other two (Annie Elizabeth, 1849 and Fanny, 1855, taken from their marriage records). They gave their children the middle names Travers, Teynham and Hill, none of which appear to originate from their husbands' family (they married three brothers). ---- The Lt.-Col. John Maitland MD (1852-1907) mentioned in my original post was born in Honore/Onore/Honavar, Madras (a parish which does not appear to have returned records for 1852 to London). His date of birth, that of his sister, the date of their parents' marriage and the christian names of his mother and grandmother all fit very nicely with my family. I just need to find a link!

Re: Aberdeen Maitland Ancestors

smaitlan1 — 2008-09-05 16:01:48Z

Three years later I am still stuck with John MAITLAND b. 1750 and Elspet TAYLOR MAITLAND, b. abt 1755. I have traced some information for their three offspring but cannot nail down any details on either John or Elspet.

Any ideas as to how I might locate parents for either are greatly appreciated. They pre-date the standard records and I have been unable to find any parental info in the OPRs. I certainly got back farther than I ever expected, but there is still that desire to see the next generation.

Re: Christina Maitland in Canada?

smaitlan1 — 2008-09-05 15:56:35Z

As an update, I found Christina's son and filled in the blanks. She moved to the US and lived out her life in Maryland (living in Florida for some time). Ironic to finally speak to a cousin of my father...I never met this line of the family.

This mystery is solved...if only they all turned out that way!

Re: Clan Maitland - Expression of interest.

smaitlan1 — 2008-09-05 15:52:42Z

I am a member of Clan Maitland. There are multiple translations including the one you provide. Even farther afield, there are some that suggest "Evil Genius"...and the general comment that all Maitlands must be related as no one would choose a last name with such "interesting" interpretations!

Re: Maitland/Midtylland

ECMaitland — 2008-10-22 17:32:00Z

Have a look at the Clan Maitland website which has quite a lot of info. about the origins of the name/family - the origin is apparently French, from the Mautalent family in Normandy. I seem to remember reading somewhere that Mautalent is probably a corruption of the French for a discontented man, so I guess we're all allowed to be grumpy !

Regards

Emma Maitland

Re: Maitland DNA

aussielea23 — 2008-07-12 22:15:35Z

Came across your message, I am interested as I cannot find many details on my great grandmother who was a Maitland. How does it work?
What do I need to do?

Regards

Aussielea1

Re: Lawrence Maitland - Kent, England

aussielea23 — 2008-06-10 02:31:23Z

George,

I came across your message re: Lawerence Maitland of Maidstone Kent, England.

Wondering if you would mind looking for some details on my Maitland born in Maidstone Kent next time your in the office. I am really stuck on this one.

I am searching for info on my great grandmothers family, her name was Elizabeth Susannah Maitland born approx. 1880. Her fathers name was John Maitland. I have obtained her death certificate in Australia (died: 1950 in Australia).

On her eldest sons death certificate which my mother has obtained (I have not seen it as yet)apparently it states Elizabeth Susannah Maitland (formerly either Ohare, Ohair, Ohara

I have contacted Kent registry office and they can't find a birth certificate for her either? Although they do have an Elizabeth Susannah Sharpe married 1900 to William Henry Sharpe. It may be a coincidence but my great grandfather is a William Henry Sharpe who lived around same area and the year of this marriage would fit.

I have searched many lists on her and can't seem to find anything. Also on her death certificate it states her mother as "unknown". I have found immigration records which show that both her & William Henry Sharpe migrated to Australia in on 23rd May 1912 with the 2 children: Harold Raymond & Irene Elizabeth Sharpe.

Can you help.

Regards

aussielea1

Re: Maitlands of Jamaica & Australia

rsmrydunn — 2008-06-08 05:29:50Z

Hi,

I'm sorry, those names aren't familiar. I have evidence now that our Annie remarried and then migrated to Australia (without the new husband? but certainly with or to be with her children.)

Good luck!

Rosemary

Re: Robert Maitland

phillipajudd — 2008-09-27 01:51:39Z

Hi, we have a family tree that goes back a bit further. My parents have it right now, but I can take a look at it for you. Let me know. Phillipa Maitland (Judd)

Re: Fances Dalziel MAITLAND, John MAITLAND

haross153 — 2008-12-01 23:27:58Z

Thank you very much, amdm24 for your extremely interesting post . I have since found the OPR notes in the recesses of another computer and they do indeed refer to John Maitland, Writer.
John Maitland Writer St Andrews Parish Edinburgh and Miss Frances M (MacKenzie) Dalyell Kells Parish, Kirkudbright married 26th Inst (26 mar 1821) by Rev Wm Gillespie minister of Kells

In Kells parish register Mr John Maitland writer in Edin(?) was married at Kenmure Castle by Mr Gillespie to Miss Frances Dalyell

John Maitland Esq. writer and Mrs Francis Dalzell his spouse at St Georges Parish a daughter born 28th December 1828 named Mary.

I agree that sometimes parents are inaccurately named on death certificates, but had presumed that Frances Jane’s were accurate given that the person registering her death in 1888 was her youngest son, Kenmure Maitland Blair (a headmaster). He states John Maitland, W.S. but may have been misinformed. There is a rash of Kenmure Maitland Blairs among her descendants, including some in Canada.

Your interesting reference to Kenmure Maitland, Sheriff- Clerk of the Midlothian accords with family lore – I quote from notes taken 25 years ago: “There were titled people in her family, they were Sheriffs of the Lothians and she was related to the Maitland-Gordon family”. Although from what you say, the Maitland-Gordon fusion did not occur until the late 19th century, it seems very likely that at least one of the Mrs Louisa (Bellamy or Maitland) Gordons was one of the “old ladies” my grandmother (b 1877) was taken along to have tea with at Kenmure Castle.
My grandmother remembered Frances Jane as very grand with rustling silks. In the only portrait we have of her, she is posed holding books and looking refined but defeated. In reality, according to census returns, she lived in poverty in small flats in working class tenements in the Gorbals, 7 children, married to a railway porter, Alexander Blair. Family lore says she ran away from her family and married well beneath her. In 1841, there is a marriage in Aberfoyle between him and Jane Frances Maitland, of Duchray, 3 months later in the 1841 Census the only people living in Duchray Castle (presumably the farm cottage attached to the deserted Duchray Castle) is young Alexander and Jean Blair, farm servants. Other inconsistencies follow once they move to a different address in Glasgow for each child or census – one census says born in Selkirk, another born in Edinburgh (she is always then Frances Jane). There is a definite whiff of “ you have made your bed and now you must lie on it”, also from the Blairs who were hoteliers and farmers in the Trossachs. After her death, the fortunes of Alexander and two unmarried daughters (Frances Jane and Hannah Mary) improve considerably and they return to Aberfoyle to farm and own property.

I have found an unusual household of Maitlands living in South Circus Place in Edinburgh at the 1841 census:
It is headed by Eliza Maitland, 60, widow (I believe this to be Eliza Harriet Cumac, widow of John Bushby Maitland, connected to Kirkcudbright)
It includes a John and a Kenmure both aged 15, and a Mary aged 10. No one else in the family is of an age to be their parents. Apart from a Susan Bushby, there is a Lauderdale Maitland (30) and Frederick Lewis of independent means and a Maitland Heriot (23), advocate.

It is tempting to speculate that this John, Kenmure and Mary are children of John and Frances Mackenzie Dalyell Maitland who were somewhere else, and that Frances (in spite of the mother on her death cert) is their eldest, runaway teenage daughter (born 1823 or 4) who came to a bad end.

Re: Fances Dalziel MAITLAND, John MAITLAND

haross153 — 2008-11-24 07:37:57Z

While researching my great great grandmother, Frances Jane Maitland, I came across a marriage between John Maitland (Writer to the Signet) and Frances Dalziel or Dalyell in an old parish record for Edinburgh (possibly St Cuthberts) in 1821 or possibly 1822. They also had a wedding ceremony in Kenmure Castle in Galloway. There is another OPR record of a daughter, Mary, born to them in 1828. They may be the parents or even possibly the grandparents of your John Maitland.

I did not keep these OPR details, so am sorry not to be more accurate. My Frances Jane was born in 1824 and her mother is stated on her death certificate in 1888 as being Jane Mitchell Hill. Her father was also a John Maitland, Writer to the Signet. Family lore says she was connected both to a prominent legal family in the Lothians and to Kenmure Castle (she took my grandmother to visit some old ladies there). She also named one of her sons Kenmure.

I can find no further record of a Jane Mitchell Hill, however, and have hit a brick wall with further research. It seems very co-incidental that there should be two John Maitlands, Writers to the Signet (Scots lawyers) practicing at the same time in Edinburgh, both with a connection to Kenmure Castle.

Re: Fances Dalziel MAITLAND, John MAITLAND

amdm24 — 2008-11-25 21:05:53Z

Two thoughts from some-one interested in Maitlands, but an outsider to this particular family.

I have a copy of the 1983 Register of the Society of Writers to HM's Signet (being a member myself); although there are several Maitlands recorded as members, none of them is John Maitland. John may still have been a "writer" (a term formerly used for people we would today call solicitors), without being a member of the Society, that is, without being a "Writer to the Signet".

There was indeed a marriage between John Maitland and Frances McKenzie Dalyell in 1821 - possibly on 26 March of that year. The marriage is recorded in the OPRs for both Edinburgh and Kells, Kirkcudbrightshire, presumably the two parishes in which groom and bride respectively were resident.

William Gordon, 6th Viscount Kenmure, then owner of Kenmure Castle, came out for James Edward Stuart, the Old Pretender, in 1715; unfortunately for him, he was captured and, after a trial, condemned and beheaded. His title and estates were forfeited. However, in 1824, his grandson, John Gordon, was restored to the title; the estates (including, presumably, the castle) appear to have been restored to the family rather earlier. John's father, also John, had married Frances Mackenzie, daughter of William, Earl of Seaforth (another Jacobite, attainted after the 1745 rebellion failed). Father John had four sons and one daughter, yet another Frances.

When John, the restored Viscount, died in 1840 (aged 90), the title passed to his nephew, Adam Gordon. On Adam's death, in 1847, the viscountcy became dormant. Kenmure Castle, however, passed to Adam's sister, Louisa, Mrs Bellamy, afterwards Mrs Bellamy-Gordon. On her death in 1886, her daughter, again Louisa, inherited. She had married, in 1837, the Rev James Maitland (who died in 1872); Mrs Maitland took the additional surname Gordon on inheriting the Castle.

It appears likely that Frances McKenzie Dalyell was a descendant of John Gordon and Frances Mackenzie, possibly through their daughter, Frances; she, therefore, was the person with the connection with Kenmure Castle, rather than John Maitland.

I am not aware of any connection between John Maitland and the Rev James Maitland. My own Maitland ancestors come from Aberdeenshire, where an early younger branch of the Lauderdale family were long lairds of Gight. In the course of exploring the northern family, I came upon the Maitlands of Pitrichie, one of whom was elevated to a baronetcy. His son succeeded, but, as I recall, left only daughters. The eldest inherited Pitrichie, but not the title. She married an Arbuthnott (of the family of the Viscounts of Arbuthnott), but they changed their name to Maitland as she was the heiress of that family. As I could not find any link between my own family and the Pitrichie Maitlands, I consigned my notes to storage; but it is my recollection that one of the Pitrichie Maitlands married a Gordon of Kenmure - presumably that was the Rev James. Having said that, I see that, in the 1861 Census, the Rev James Maitland, minister of Kells, Kirkcudbrightshire, gives his place of birth as Minnigaff, Kirkcudbrightshire, so my memory may be playing tricks on me!

I find that the death certificate for Kenmure Maitland, Sheriff Clerk for Midlothian, (born about 1825, died 1874)gives his parents as John Maitland and Frances Dalzell. I would be tempted to ask: did the person who registered Frances Jane (Maitland)'s death know who her mother was? I have come across at least one case in which a son-in-law gave his own grandmother's name as the name of his mother-in-law's mother (I may even have seen a child giving the wrong grandmother to a parent); and if the registrant was a remoter connection, the chances of an error are greater.

Re: Fances Dalziel MAITLAND, John MAITLAND

amdm24 — 2008-12-02 20:34:45Z

I agree that the family at 9 South East Circus Place is unusual.

Eliza Maitland's household seems to consist of Frederick Lewis Maitland Heriot and Mary Turner Wedderburn Heriot Maitland, his sister (two people, not four) and two servants; I think Eliza must have been aunt to the younger two (the index to Scottish wills includes a Miss Eliza Maitland of 9 South East Circus Place, Edinburgh, in 1856 and Frederick and Mary's grandparents, Frederick Lewis Maitland and Margaret Dick, had a daughter Elizabeth in 1773 - a little early, admittedly, to have been 60 in 1841, but perhaps she took the standard direction to round down ages to a multiple of 5 somewhat liberally, to disguise her real age). Frederick Lewis was to succeed his father (a grandson of the 6th Earl of Lauderdale) as laird of Ramornie, Fife, in 1848.

Susan Bushby and Lauderdale Maitland appear to belong to another household; if Lauderdale's father was John Bushby Maitland (as seems likely), Susan Bushby may have been a cousin in some degree.

Because of the page split, I cannot decide whether John, Kenmure and Mary are living with Susan Bushby and Lauderdale or in a separate apartment. I share your temptation to identify them as children of John and Frances (Dalyell). John was actually born in 1822 and Kenmure in 1824, but rounding down their ages would give 15 for them both. Ages under 15 were not usually rounded down, but Mary's given age of 10 may have been reduced from her true age of 13 (I see her as born on 28 December 1827, rather than 1828).

I can find another son, James Dalyell, born to John and Frances in 1833. If still alive, he may have been with his parents on census night (though I cannot see them anywhere).

There appear to be two servants in this household as well.

Re: Ann Maitland B1848 Kent England

ajones1522 — 2008-06-24 11:16:32Z

Hello there,

I have found very little new info since my initial post on MAITLAND's from Kent some 4 years ago. I have not come across connections to any of the Australian family names you mention. The only information I can add about my Annie MAITLAND is that she may have arrived in Australia in 1867 on the MORNING LIGHT. (unassisted British imigration records) Otherwise my Annie remains a mystery.

Fances Dalziel MAITLAND, John MAITLAND

sdonlea1 — 2008-10-14 09:27:27Z

I am looking for information on Frances Dalziel MAITLAND (b 1883 in Madras, daughter of Lt Col John MAITLAND MD, Assistant Surgeon Madras). --- Frances married in 1910 (probably in India) Rev. William Fitzroy Hamilton GARSTIN (b 1881 probably in Ireland, d 1952). He was Assistant Chaplain at St Paul's Cathedral, Calcutta 1909-1910 and 1910-1912 Chaplain of Lebong, West-Bengal. The couple then went to Ireland. William's father was William Fitzroy Garstin (b 1855). --- Frances' father, John MAITLAND died in Bournemouth in 1907. ---- I would very much like to find out if John had any sisters, but ANY information would be greatly appreciated.

Re: Fances Dalziel MAITLAND, John MAITLAND

sdonlea1 — 2008-11-24 09:02:39Z

Thank you very much for your message. This is just an acknowledgment as I am unable to attend to genealogy until later today! I would be very grateful if you could email me at sdonleaATgmail.com, as I would like to discuss the matter further. Sue

Re: Fances Dalziel MAITLAND, John MAITLAND

sdonlea1 — 2008-11-26 10:32:05Z

Re my previous message, I must apologise as I logged in under the wrong ID. sdonlea1 and donlea150 are one and the same person!

Re: John MAITLAND and his daughters

sdonlea1 — 2008-09-19 12:08:03Z

Further to my message about John Maitland (b about 1820), I now believe that he MAY have been born in Edinburgh in 1822, the son of another John Maitland and Frances Dalyele. JM born 1822 was Assistant Surgeon in Madras and he married Elizabeth White Hobbs in Scotland in 1846. They had a son, also John Maitland, born 1852, and also Assistant Surgeon in Madras. This JM married Alice Maud ??? and had a daughter, Frances Dalziel Maitland, born 1883). I am clutching at straws, but the dates and many of the names fit. Does anyone know anything about this family?

Re: Ruth Maitland, Leslie M. Maitland

maitlandpeter — 2009-02-14 20:55:22Z

Rose Maitland was my grandmother. She and Alexander had three sons, all deceased now. James, the eldest, Harry the middle son and my father, Angus, the youngest. Harry has children living in England, and I believe his widow is still living. James widow, Mary, has remarried and is well on in years, though still living in Glasgow. She is suffering with senile dementia. Her children, Alexander, James and Clive also live in Glasgow. My father, Angus, married Constance Barron (Eileen) and has two children, Peter (me) and Heather. I live in the Orlando, FL area, and my sister lives in Naples, FL close to my mother.

Re: Ruth Maitland, Leslie M. Maitland

maitlandpeter — 2009-02-17 20:46:23Z

Enter my last name then a period followed by my first name at gmail period sea oh emm. I know Rose Maitland's maiden name was Serres. She was descended from French aristocracy. Count Dominic de Serres of Rheims. Paintings by one her antecedents hang in the Royal Naval Museum. Her grandson by her son Jim and Mary goes by the moniker Clive Serres Maitland. Are you a member of Clan Maitland? Several years ago, they had a clan gathering in Banff.
All three of Mary's boys were born in India/Pakistan. Alexander was a civil engineer working in what was then Colonial India. My father, Angus, was born in Peshawar, Pakistan. My grandfather was constructing the Khyber Pass Railway from Peshawar to Kabul. The British had lost two Afghan wars due to the inability to get men and materiel to the front. The railway was their supply route. It was used by the Afghan mujahadeen during the Soviet/Afghan war to supply weaponry to the resistance. Once construction was completed, the family returned to Scotland. At the advent of WW II, during the Battle of Britain, my father entered the British army, and was transferred to North Africa later. At the conclusion of the North African campaign he was re-assigned to the 10th. Indian Div'n. in Italy, having grown up in India and speaking the language. He attained the rank of Chief Warrant Officer, with Indian troops under his command. My mother, Eileen, served with the RAF in the south of England, dispatching Spitfires to intercept incoming German planes.

Re: Ruth Maitland, Leslie M. Maitland

maitlandpeter — 2009-02-16 21:59:28Z

I'm sorry, I made a mistake. It is Alistair. His wife's name is Sylvia. They have one son that I know of who married several years ago in Glasgow. Ruth Maitland is my wife. Harry had two daughters with his wife Beatrice, Mary Rose and I believe the other one is Helen. As for Leslie Maitland, that name is not familiar. Jim's sons all live in Glasgow.