There have been other messages posted here about a Carl Louis Moline. I think he is my kids grandfather. I know in one post it said that he left Illinois and moved to California and that he didnt let anyone know that he made it. I would like to get in contact with anyone who knows any information out there because if this is the same Carl then he had at least 2 boys. I dont know if he had any other kids after that or not. I only know of the 2 boys.