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Re: Pack in Kibler/Dan River Virginia

hibwife — 2009-10-23 17:32:39Z

I don't know where my brain went when I posted that reply. My Isham and Fleming are sons of Matilda Ann DeLong. She did not marry Calvin he is her son. She married John Pack on Dec 31, 1835 in Patrick County, VA. Isham died at age 20 of yellow jaundice and John was listed as the informant on his death certificate. John lists his relationship to Isham as step-father. Isham was born around Dec 1834 and died in Tazewell County, VA on May 15, 1854.
The other Isham I found was born between 1800 and 1807. He was married first to Sally (Sarah) Lawson on 3 June 1824 in Grayson County, VA. Sally died on 15 June 1853 in Patrick County, VA. Isham and Sally had the following children Milly b. 1832, James M. b. 1835 and Mary b. 1838, these dates are based on census ages. Their marriage (Marriage Register #1) and her death date (Death Records in Patrick County, VA 1853-1870) is recorded in Grayson County, VA records. Her parents are listed as James and Nancy Lawson.
On Nov 19 1857 Isham marries Mary Bowman in Patrick County, VA (Patrick County Virginia Marriages 1854-1874 compiled by Jimmie Martin Steele,page 19. This record is also available at the Patrick County courthouse.) Mary was the daughter of Norman Bowman and wife, she is 24 and divorced. Isham (Isom) is the son of Thomas and wife he is 40 and widowed. The minister was Julius Terrill. They had at least three children Floyd born 1860, Rachel born 1862 and Cresy born 1866, again there may have been more children and the ages are based on census records.

Re: Essie Mae Pack daughter of Charles Pack and Maude Roman

tedpack — 2009-10-18 14:30:04Z

Is this Charles and Maude in 1930 and 1920? The 1930 entry is the only one from 1880 - 1930 for any Charles Pack with wife Maude I found.

If, to take an extreme example, your Charles lived in Kentucky all his life, was white and always used "Charley" (or "Catfish") instead of his legal name, this isn't them. If Essie Mae was born after 1930, in Colorado, and was black or mixed, this could be them.

http://www.tedpack.org/goodpost.html
has some tips for posting an effective query. Complete strangers who are not related will sometimes help you, but you have to give them some clues.

1930, Pueblo, Pueblo, Colorado; Roll 249; Page: 13B; Enumeration District: 33; Image: 841.0.

Pack, Charles, head, 47, Tenn, Tenn, Tenn, laborer steel mill
Pack, Maude, wife, 39, Tenn, Tenn, Tenn
Pack, Kedrick, son, 16, Colo, Tenn, Tenn
Pack, Mildred, dau, 7, Colo, Tenn, Tenn
Everyone is black.

1920, Pueblo, Pueblo, Colorado; Roll T625_170; Page: 7B; Enumeration District: 235; Image: 986.

Cathey, Maude, head, Mulatto, 31, Widow, Tenn, USA, USA, laundress day work
Cathey, Kedrick, son, Mulatto, 6, Colorado, Ky, Tenn
Pack, Charles, Boarder, Black, 35, Tenn, Tenn, Tenn, foreman or fireman, steel mill

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Kedrick is obviously a step-son. Mildred is a daughter and half-sister to Kedrick.

Here is Kedrick's mother-in-law:

Stell, Ella B.
Ella B. Stell - Pueblo Chieftain - April 13, 2000 - Ella B. Stell, 103, passed away April 8, 2000, at Shamar Village Care Center. Born Oct. 28, 1896, in Sulphur Springs, Texas. She was one of 12 children born to the union of Allen and Mattie (Green) Bowens. Shortly after her birth, the family moved to the Oklahoma Territory where she attended school. She was a devout Christian and served many years as church mother at St. Paul Church of God In Christ in Oklahoma under the leadership of the late superintendent, Elder John M. Statum. In the 1980s she moved to Pueblo and joined Bethlehem Baptist Church, where she had been a faithful member until her passing. Preceded in death by her parents, other siblings, husband, Thorton Stell, daughter, Hazel M. Johnson. Survived by her children, Katherine (Kedrick) Pack, Pueblo, Marlene (James) Brown, Oklahoma City, grandchildren, Beverly Taylor, James Brown, Brady Johnson III, Kedrick Johnson, Donald Johnson and Ronald Johnson; 26 grandchildren to include Dee Dee Brown, Eric Brown and granddaughter-in-law, Christine Johnson. Visitation today, Angelus Chapel, 1 p.m. until 7 p.m. Funeral service, 2 p.m. Friday, Bethlehem Baptist Church, Rev. F.L. Chandler officiating. Interment, Imperial Memorial Gardens.
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Here is Kedrick

Pack, Kedrick Charles
Kedrick Charles Pack - Pueblo Chieftain - May 30, 2004 - Kedrick Charles Pack, 90, lifetime Puebloan, born Dec. 6, 1913, passed away May 25, 2004. After graduation from high school, Mr. Pack stepped forward to serve his country in the U.S. Army where he attained the rank of staff sergeant, serving in Central Europe, Naples Foggia, Rhineland and Rome Arno Apennies. After his military stint, Mr. Pack worked for the former CF&I Steel Mill's open hearth department and retired with 38 years of service. A member of Eureka Lodge No. 2 F&AM (PHA) where in 1996, his fellow brethren elected him Mason of the Year for his contribution to his lodge and community from then worshipful master, Russell E. Creighton. He also was a fifty-year member of the James H. McNeal American Legion Post 163, Department of Colorado. He enjoyed bowling, watching football and working in his garden. Survived by his wife of 62 years, Katherine Anderson Pack; daughters, Beverly Kay Taylor and Janet Mildred Cullingham; grandchildren, Alica (Keith) Martin, Bronica Garces, Kamala Cullingham, Thomas Cullingham; great-grandchildren, Melissa Ann Martin, Jasmine Speight, Tifanny Speight; sister-in-law, Marlene (James) Brown; several nieces, nephews, other relatives and friends. He is preceded in death by his parents, Charles and Maude Moody Pack; a son, Charles Franklin Levell. Visitation, noon until 4 p.m. Monday, Angelus Chapel. Funeral service, 1 p.m. Tuesday, Bethlehem Baptist Church, with the Rev. John Wayne Richardson officiating. Military honors at graveside by the Pueblo Veterans Ritual Team.
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Mildred is another story. "Kedrick" is a wonderful name for genealogy. There are not many of them.

Re: essie mae pack daughter of Charles Pack and Maude Roman

cbaker17_1 — 2009-10-18 03:54:59Z

Where did charles live?

Re: Jeremiah Pack (kah kullah)!!!

Tod_Terry — 2009-10-11 23:29:46Z

Viola I my Granmother Viva Penzil Pack, was of the Stokely line, and I would love to share info with you, but can't find an email addres for you. Mine is todterry@hotmail.com, for you or anyone elese who would like to help with this line.

Thank you

Re: Phyllis Rose Pack (1947-1973), Dinuba, Tulare Co. CA

Marian1939 — 2009-10-10 15:22:06Z

She was born in Missouri.
California Death Index, 1940-1997
Name: Phyllis R Huie
Social Security #: 563642983
Sex: FEMALE
Birth Date: 27 May 1947
Birthplace: Missouri
Death Date: 17 Jun 1973
Death Place: Tulare

Re: Phyllis Rose Pack (1947-1973), Dinuba, Tulare Co. CA

tedpack — 2009-10-08 00:29:53Z

http://vitals.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ca/death/search.cgi
has her, but mother's maiden name is blank, as if father's surname. It does give exact dates, however;
27 May 1947 - 17 June 1973.

A subscription data base has their divorce in Nov 1966 in Tulare County. Another has their marriage, 13 Mar 1962 in Tulare County.

I saw your post on the Genforum Tulare County board. There look to be a lot more requests than answers there, but yo umight get lucky.

William Huie and Phyllis Pack, Dinuba

Lou_CD — 2009-10-07 21:18:53Z

Looking for info on the ancestors of Phyllis Rose Pack, born May-1947 MO, d. Jun-1973 Dinuba, Tulare Co., CA. Buried in Smith Mountain Cem., Dinuba.

Married William L. Huie about 1967.

They had two kids:

Rickie Lee Huie (b.1968, d.2005)
daughter (probably living)

I believe that William L. is deceased as well. Looking for his ancestors as well. I'm trying to trace back from there, but not having much luck.

Phyllis Rose Pack (1947-1973), Dinuba, Tulare Co. CA

Lou_CD — 2009-10-07 21:16:02Z

Looking for info on the ancestors of Phyllis Rose Pack, born May-1947 MO, d. Jun-1973 Dinuba, Tulare Co., CA. Buried in Smith Mountain Cem., Dinuba.

Married William L. Huie about 1967.

They had two kids:

Rickie Lee Huie (b.1968, d.2005)
daughter (probably living)

I believe that William L. is deceased as well. I'm trying to trace back from there, but not having much luck.

Re: Pack/Bowers/Betras

Margrette50 — 2009-09-16 11:47:53Z

Haven't done research on him.
Name: Romeo Bowers
SSN: 236-01-0606
Last Residence: 26410 Newburg, Preston, West Virginia, United States of America
Born: 5 Oct 1901
Died: Mar 1984
State (Year) SSN issued: West Virginia (Before 1951 )

Re: Pack/Bowers/Betras

sheliadockery4 — 2009-09-15 14:35:50Z

No, I haven't run across Myrtle marrying a Skidmore, but I will keep looking. Do you have any info on Myrtle's bro. Romeo?

Re: Pack/Bowers/Betras

Margrette50 — 2009-09-15 12:59:12Z

I found that also. Do you know anything about Myrtle Bowers, Elva's mother, marrying a Skidmore? I think sometime around 1959 or so.

Re: HANEY PACK

Tod_Terry — 2009-09-15 05:10:32Z

Rhonda if you get this contact me. This is Tod Viva's grandson. I would like to talk to you about our family tree.

Thank you

Re: Jeremiah Pack (kah kullah)!!!

Tod_Terry — 2009-09-15 05:06:32Z

My grandmother was Viva Penzil Pack, her brother Herman Pack. My grandmother passed away last year befor I had a chance to finish her family information. I need as much Pack info, and documentation as possible. If any body is willing to help. I have a copy of Herman's tree, but no documents to back it up. Also have a page from Viva's bible with birth info.

Please!

Thank you

Tod

Re: Pack/Bowers/Betras

sheliadockery4 — 2009-09-15 00:37:33Z

West Virginia, Ohio County, Deaths reported 8-29-2003

Posted By: GenealogyBuff
Date: Thursday, 31 January 2008, at 1:26 p.m.

Obituaries From The Intelligencer

BETRAS, Elva Jean Pack, 74, of Valley Grove, W.Va., died Wednesday, August 27, 2003 in the Wheeling Hospital, Wheeling, W.Va.
This is what I have found so far...if I find more I will post.

Re: Pack/Bowers/Betras

Margrette50 — 2009-09-14 14:12:56Z

I have her as Frank Bowers grand daughter, if you are able to find an obit for her please let me know. Thanks, Margrette

Re: Pack/Bowers/Betras

sheliadockery4 — 2009-09-14 02:55:19Z

Margrette,
I ran across your post about Elva Jean and I am looking for Elva's obit. too...She is the informat on my great grandfathers death certificate. (Frank Bowers).I had found her on the 1930 census when she was 8 months old. Was she Frank's granddaughter? or niece? If I find it I will post it here.

Re: George Washington Pack & Emaline (Young) Pack

bpack691 — 2009-09-08 17:32:00Z

Do you possibly know if George's son Walter married a woman with the last name of Jones?

Re: GEORGE PACK 1600s Engl, NJ

KathleenSkinner — 2009-09-07 01:45:06Z

This appears to be our ancestry as well. We descend from George Pack, b. 20 Dec 1768 in New Jersey, son of Job Pack and Abigail Woodruff. George Pack went with loyalists to new Brunswick, Canada in 1783. Let's share our common ancestry. Kathleen

Re: Smith Green -> Thomas and Cherokee Blood

JaneteKaye — 2009-06-08 19:11:00Z

Hi again,

Please email me at texasmalamute@yahoo.com Thanks. Thanks also for info on the Facets of Fannin County. I have seen this book before & it is a wonderful resource.

Re: Smith Green -> Thomas and Cherokee Blood

JaneteKaye — 2009-06-07 04:20:29Z

Hi Russell. I am descended which might be in that line. We really have nothing concrete above Jeremiah, but som of our trees go back in the area you are leading to. Another similarity is that our line definitely has a Green Smith. As I say anything I say above Jeremiah wuold eb speculation, but I would love to share notes with you. My email is texasmalamute@yahoo.com

Re: John Pack (1824) - Who were his parents?

Marian1939 — 2009-05-19 17:32:38Z

I have a John Pack, born Feb 24, 1824, last child of Charles Pack - See following information

Descendants of CHARLES PACK
Generation No. 1
1. CHARLES8 PACK (GEORGE WASHINGTON (SR.)7, SAMUEL (SR.)6, GRAVES (CAPT.)5, JOHN ARTHUR REYNOLDS4, DENNIS3, THOMAS II2, THOMAS1) was born Abt. 1787 in Monroe Co., (now Giles Co.), VA - some say Augusta Co., VA, and died 12 May 1837 in Lawrence Co., KY - or Floyd Co., KY. He married (1) ELIZABETH "BETSY" CRUM 17 Nov 1808 in Floyd Co., KY, daughter of ADAM CRUM and BARBARA/BARBARY HORN(E). She was born Bet. 1785 - 1790 in Floyd Co., KY or VA, and died 11 Nov 1824 in Floyd Co. KY. He married (2) ANNADOSHIA (ANNA) SELLARDS 15 Mar 1825 in Floyd Co., KY. She was born Abt. 1800, and died Aft. 1833.
Notes for CHARLES PACK:
Floyd Co., KYMarriage #72
"Charles PACK's Marriage License, Nov 17 1808 Cert Recorded.
Floyd Co. to wit
These are to license and permit you to join together in the holy state of matrimony according to the rites and ceremonies of the Church of which you belong Charles Pack & Betsy Crum bond being given and certificate proven according to law and for so doing this shall be given sufficient warrant given under my hand this 15th day of November 1808. Wm J. Mayo, Ck CC
To any person legally authorized to solemnize matrimony.
1808 November 17th I joined in matrimony Charles Pack & Betsy Crum given under my hand the day & year aforesaid. Thos. Evans, J.P."
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Floyd Co., KYMarriage #818
"Charles PACK's Marriage License, March 1825 Floyd Co. KYState
These shall license and permit you to join in marriage according to the rites and ceremonies of the Church of which you belong Charles Pack and Anna Sellards and for so doing this shall be given sufficient warrant. Given under my hand this 15th day of March 1825.
J. Mayo, DeCk FCC
I Jacob C. Mayo deputy clerk for William James Mayo clerk of the Court for the Co. aforesaid do hereby certify that the said Charles Pack hath issued said bond with security in my office according to law.
To any person legally authorized to solemnize matrimony.
J. Mayo, DeCk FCC" email source: Ellen Pack e.j.pack@natchezbelle.org
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More About CHARLES PACK:
Researcher: Cathy Fair Clarine, 7411 S. Cypress, Midvale, Utah 84047

Notes for ELIZABETH "BETSY" CRUM:
Annals of Floyd Co., KY1800-1826,” by Charles C. Wells, Gateway Press, Inc., Baltimore, MD, 1995. NOTE: page numbers refer to pages in Wells’ book.
(p. 119) Marriage Bond
Bond dated 15 November 1808 by Charles PACK and Samuel PACK for a marriage
shortly to be had between Charles PACK and Betsy CRUM.
11th of November 1808: To Mr. William J. Mayo, Clerk of Floyd. We hereby
consent that our daughter Betsy and one Charles PACK be bound as man and wife.
(S) Ab. Graham
Barbary Graham
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Per Glenna Pack Hall: Betsy Crum is also listed in some places as Elizabeth (Betsy a nickname) and the last name in one book I read, Anals of Floyd Co., Ky by Chas. Wells, is "Graham". Her father was AB. (Abram or Abraham or Adam) and her mother is listed as Barbery (Barbara?).
Children of CHARLES PACK and ELIZABETH CRUM are:
i. ELIAS (FROM GEO SCRUGGS STATEMENT)9 PACK.
2. ii. LEDOSHA/LEDOCIA/DOTIA PACK, b. 1809, VA.
3. iii. GEORGE C. III PACK, b. 1810, Floyd Co., KY; d. Aft. 1880.
iv. ARCHIBALD PACK, b. 1811; m. MARY CALLOWAY, 30 Aug 1830, Lawrence Co., KY.
Notes for ARCHIBALD PACK:
MARRIAGES 1822-1859 P to R
Marriage Records of Lawrence County, Kentucky, from
organization of county, in 1822, to 1859, inclusive:
Pack, Archibald Mary Calloway Aug. 30, 1830
Pack, Archibald Mary Muncey Nov. 9, 1843
More About ARCHIBALD PACK:
Burial: Tabor Creek Cemetery
4. v. BENSON JOHN/JAMES? (I) PACK, b. Abt. 1818, Old Cherokee Nation, Rutherford Co., NC; d. Abt. 1896, He was alive in the 1890 census and dead in the 1896 indian application.
5. vi. BARTLEY PACK, b. 02 Feb 1816, Floyd Co., KY or Lawrence Co., KY; d. 04 May 1899, Williamsport, Johnson Co., KY.
vii. ELIZABETH PACK, b. 1817, Floyd Co., KY.
6. viii. JOHN PACK, b. 24 Feb 1824, KY; d. 06 Mar 1912, Martin Co., Ky.. Married Rebecca (Evens) Evans

Lessons Learned from Jerome Turner Pack

tedpack — 2009-06-05 02:13:27Z

This is longer than most posts, but about average for me. There’s a joke about rambling and unicorns at the bottom. Here are some tips about finding your ancestors in the census, using Jerome Turner Pack as an example.

My hunt started with a message:

Hi Ted,

I just read your info. I am great-grand daughter of J. Turner/ Jerome T. Pack married to Susie E. Justice. My great grandfather is shown as J.T., Jerome T. and J. Turner, born around 1859. Susie E. was native Cherokee, at least 1/2, mother's side. I just got started in this search and cannot find Jerome T./J.Turner's parents. My family resided in Cheattham, TN born and died in that county. Can you enlighten me?

Jeana in Oklahoma.

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So, I looked on Ancestry’s census images for Jerome Pack in Cheatham County in any year. There was just one:

1910, Civil District 7, Cheatham, Tennessee;
Jerome T Pack, 39
Susie E Pack, 34
Herbert L Pack, 14
Loyd E Pack, 10
Clide E Pack, 7
Beulah Pack, 4
Joseph M Pack, 3/12

Note he was born in 1871, not 1859, and there is just one “t” in “Cheatham”.

Lesson 1: Don’t trust your correspondents, especially if they just got started. Help them, of course; they are dear people, and we genealogists are known for being warm, wise and gracious. Just don’t assume newcomers have their facts straight.

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I can’t find them in 1920. I do find a Clyde E Pack, 17, relation “nephew,” in Dickson County, Tennessee, a Bulah Pack, 15, relation "no relation", in Montgomery County, Tennessee, and a Lon or Loye Pack, 19, in South Dakota, relation “servant”, which was the term for hired hand back then. He was mucking out stalls and plowing, not wearing a black dress coat and announcing tea was served. That hints, but doesn’t prove, that Jerome died and either his wife died with him or her new husband didn’t want the teens cluttering up the house. No lesson here, just a need for more research.

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I turn to Tennessee Marriages, an Ancestry Data base. I find:

J Turner Pack to Susie Justice on 7 Mar 1895 in Dickson County.

Dickson, not Cheatham.
Lesson 2: Check other sources, if you have them. See above about not trusting your correspondent, too.

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I search for any Pack born 1871 or so in Dickson County in 1900. No luck. Then I search for any Jerome, then any Turner, limiting the search to Dickson and the birth year to 1871 (+/- 5) each time. Bingo!

1900, Civil District 13, Dickson, Tennessee:
Turner Back, 30
Susie Back, 23
Herbert Back, 4
Loy Back, 11/12

Back, Pack. They sound alike, as you know if you’ve ever ordered pizza as Mr. Pack and heard them announce “Mr. Back, your pizza is ready”. Susie, Herbert and Loyd match 1910.

Lesson 3: Try given names only. Soundex isn’t perfect. Note this works best when you have a birth year range, a rare given name and a small county. If your man is John and he lived in Chicago, you won’t find him by given name alone.

Lesson 4: People sometimes switch between first and middle names. My correspondent warned me. John Wesley Pack becomes Wesley J Pack, or JW, or WJ.

He is born in 1869 on the 1900, not 1871.

Lesson 5: use a 5-year date range for birth year.

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Let us see if he is in Dickson in 1880. I search for any Pack (that is, given name blank, surname “Pack”, with soundex) born in 1869, with a 5-year range, in Dickson County. Here he is:

1880: District 7, Dickson, Tennessee:
L. D. Pack, Self, 55, TN, Farmer, NC, NC
Martha Pack, Wife, 34, TN, Keeping House, TN, TN
(All kids TN, TN, TN)
Saleanna Pack, Dau, 18
Ada Pack, Dau, 16
Zippora Pack, Dau, 14
Tusnur Pack, Son, 11
Fletcher Pack, Son, 9
Charley Pack, Son, 7
Lennore Pack, Son, 4
Lou Pack, Dau, 2

“Tusnur” isn’t a common given name, but it is close enough to “Turner” that this is our boy, 11 years old and living with his parents. Whoever transcribed the page did the best they could with chicken tracks.

Lesson 6: Don’t trust that the given name will be spelled correctly.

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I look for all the Packs in Dickson County in 1870 and find:

1870: District 7, Dickson, Tennessee;
S D Pack, 45
Martha Pack, 35
Bettie Pack, 8
Ada Pack, 5
Mary Pack, 3
Jerone Pack, 1
Jesse Stong, 19

Mr. Pack's initials look like "L D" to me in the image, even though they are indexed as "S D". Martha, the wife, is 34 in 1880 and 35 here in 1870. “Mary” here is “Zippora” in 1880, probably, and “Turner” in 1880 is “Jerone” here.

This is the same lesson I learned all night – don’t trust the given names will be the same throughout the years. It shows you can't always trust the ages given, either.

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Here they are in 1860, Middle Division, Dickson, Tennessee:
L D Pack, 28, NC
M S Pack, 17, NC
B B Pack, 1/12, NC
(Census taken September 27th)

Lesson 7: Birth states won’t always match. Compare these to LD and Martha on the 1880.

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I try for them in 1900 to see what L D’s name was, and find Martha widowed in 1900, in Civil District 13, Dickson, Tennessee

Martha Pack, 58, widowed
Fletcher Pack, 29, son
Charley Pack, 26, son
Hardy Pack, 19, son
Fred Fowler, 16, boarder

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Back to Tennessee Marriages.

Leroy D Pack to Martha L Sims on 5 Oct 1859 in Dickson County.

“Martha Sims” matches “M S” in 1860. “Leroy D” matches “L D.” They had a one-month old child in September 1860, so the date fits. Most couples wasted no time making sure their union produced issue, back then. My “L D” on the census is almost certainly Leroy D.

I’ve found Jerome Turner’s parents and learned some lessons about hunting people on the census.

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Promised joke about rambling:

My brother limits his personal correspondence to adding his name to the Christmas Newsletter his wife writes every year. Last month I told him that the USPS gives you a break on the second ounce. It is only 17 cents, although the first one is 42. If you write a 6-page letter and throw in a couple of pictures of the kids, you can send it first-class for 59 cents instead of using two first-class stamps for 84 cents. I have a small stock of 17-cent stamps for just such occasions.

He looked at me like I had told him if he ever shot a unicorn, to make sure the sun was behind him, use a medium speed film for detail, a small f-stop for good depth of field, and make sure the background was uncluttered. He knew I was trying to help, but the chance he would ever be in a position to use my advice was terribly small.

Re: George F. Pack, 1886-1912, Alabama

tedpack — 2009-05-13 01:02:31Z

George and Elizabeth made it to 1880. They are in the household right after George M and Francis.

(Name, Relation, Marital Status, Gender, Race, Age, Birthplace, Occupation Father's Birthplace, Mother’s Birthplace)

George Pack, Self, M, Male, W, 67, NC, Farmer, VA, NC
Elizabeth Pack, Wife, M, Female, W, 65, SC, Keeping House, SC, SC
Sarah Pack, Dau, S, Female, W, 44, TN, At Home, NC, SC
Henry Pack, Son, S, Male, W, 19, GA, Works On Farm, NC, SC

Cross Roads, Pickens, Georgia; P 513A on The LDS

In the LDS 1880,
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?P...
after you find your person, click on "Family View", then "Next household" or "Previous Household. You sometimes find adult children and their families, or aging parents. In this case, the two HH right after George and Elizabeth look to be their sons, based on the parents' BP's.

Re: George F. Pack, 1886-1912, Alabama

tedpack — 2009-05-13 00:35:15Z

I couldn't find him in 1910. Here's 3 generations. You can guess as well as I can as to true birth places and birth years. If they hadn't had a large family with distinctive names I would have lost them.

1900: Dixon, Cherokee, Alabama; Roll: T623_6 Page: 2B; Enumeration District: 124.

George M Pack, 60, head, Apr 1840, Ga, SC, SC,
Francis R Pack, 50, wife, Aug 1849, Ga, NC, NC
Geo F Pack, 14, son, Nov 1885, Ala, Ga, Ga
[I see birth years off by one ALL the time.]
Roxie Johnson, 28, dau, May 1876, divorced, Ala, Ga, Ga
H H Johnson, 3, grand-son, Sept 1896, Ala, Ala, Ala

1880: Cross Roads, Pickens, Georgia; p. 513A on the LDS

Household:

Name, Relation, Marital Status, Gender, Race, Age, Birthplace, Occupation, Father's Birthplace, Mother's Birthplace

George M. PACK, Self, M, Male, W, 36, GA, Farmer, NC, SC,
Francis PACK, Wife, M, Female, W, 35, TN, Keeping House, ---, ---,
Roxia PACK, Dau, S, Female, W, 6, GA, GA, TN,

Quite a disparity in ages between 1880 and 1900.

1870, Pickens, Georgia; Roll: M593_169; Page: 43; Image: 88.

(The bottom of the previous image and the top of image 88 have these PACKS all in a row. It looks a lot like a family.)

HH/Fam 674/674
Pack, John, 31, Tenn
----, Jane, 29, Ga
(5 kids)

675/675
Pack, George, 65, NC
----, Elizabeth, 62, SC
[end of page. Top of next has the kids]
Sarah Pack, 34
Clementine Pack, 16
Roxy Annah Pack, 13
William J Pack, 12
Henry Pack, 10

The 1870 didn't ask relation or marital status. Sarah could be a daughter or D-in-L. Clementine through Henry could be children of Sarah, children of George and Elizabeth, or children of one or more of George and Elizabeth's Children.

676/676
Pack, James, 23, Georgia
----, Mary, 25, Georgia

676/676
Pack, George H, 26, Georgia
----, Francis, 21, Georgia

1860: Truckwheel, Pickens, Georgia; Roll: M653_133; Page: 904; Image: 514.

George Pack, 48, Ga
Elithabeth Pack, 40, NC
Sarah Pack, 22, Ga
Mary Pack, 20, Ga
Reubin Pack, 16, Ga
Liney Pack, 13, Ga (Female)
James Pack, 14, Ga
Joseph Pack, 10, Ga
Clemintine Pack, 7, Ga
Rosanna Pack, 5, Ga
William J Pack, 3, Ga

(Ass't marshal Wm. Tate wrote so clearly that I can read it at 50%, 149 years afterwards.)

1850: Division 12, Gordon, Georgia; Roll: M432_71; Page: 53; Image: 107.

George Pack, 35, Tenn
Elizabeth Pack, 30, Tenn
Jane Pack 16, Tenn
Sarah Pack, 14, Tenn
John Pack, 12, Tenn
George Pack, 10, Ga
Reuben Pack, 8, Ga
P E Pack, 6, Ga (Female)
James Pack, 4, Ga
Joseph Pack, 2, Ga

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At least three people have him,and say Elizabeth's maiden name was Jackson, on RWWC,
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi

You may be able to write to them. You may not. Some of the data bases are old.

I'm not closely related. Sometimes I answer genealogy posts the way normal people do crosswords.

Re: John Wesley PACK m.1848 MO

tedpack — 2009-07-01 01:02:58Z

It looks like Ruth marrie da Turner, all right:

1880: Tehama, Tehama, California

Name, Relation, Marital Status, Gender, Race, Age, Birthplace, Occupation, Father's Birthplace, Mother's Birthplace

Leo R. TURNER Self M Male W 51 ENG Farmer ENG ENG
Ruth TURNER Wife M Female W 50 IN Keeping House OH OH
Joseph PACK Son S Male W 16 MO IN ---
Geo. B. PACK GSon S Male W 6M CA MO ...

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1870; Census Place: Township 47 Range 31, Jackson, Missouri; Roll M593_781; Page: 91; Image: 182.

These two households are right together. It may be an error, it may be that Ruth is working for the McNeils and her kids are living in an outbuilding,

I W McNeil 31
Madeline McNeil 30
Netty M McNeil 3
Walter McNeil 1
Ruth Pack 39
M J Johnson 21

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Jacob Pack 18
Kaiser Pack 15
Barnet Pack 12
Lewis Pack 9
Jos Pack 5
Geo McHenry 22

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Re: Packs of Grayson/Wythe/Carroll counties, VA

tedpack — 2009-06-19 05:53:17Z

Hi, Old Crow

If you post your data here, instead of just sending it to one person, then

1) Any Pack researcher who stumbles across this board can read it, instantly, without having to write to you. (You do have to be careful not to reveal data about living people.)

2) You don't have to send the same data out to 17 different descendants, one after the other, as they stumble across this board and write to you.

3) It will still be here, even if you hit the lotto in a good weekend, buy an island, say "Fiddle dee dee" to genealogy, cancel your Yahoo! account and devote your efforts to findling the perfect lime reduction sauce for shrimp grilled on skewers over coconut logs on white sandy beaches.

(If that happens, I would be happy to be your QC inspector. I'll work for room and board; the food should include rum, mixed with tropical fruit juices in tall frosty glasses, delivered by waiters in mess coats and short pants as I sit under the palms. The QC inspector's house should have at least 14 rooms and be no more than 25 yards from the ocean.)

(Shrimp 3 times a week; the other 4 will be devoted to the perfect cabernet reduction sauce for steak, the perfect wood to use for chicken, the perfect lemon-based sauce for salmon, and chef's choice. Your chef will be from the Cordon Blu, of course.)

(I can give your children swimming lessons in the lagoon, too. I have many talents.)

4) If you change your e-mail address, or Yahoo! changes it for you, just change it once in your profile, instead of posting a follow-up to all 87 messages you posted on all the boards.

(Yahoo! will probably keep their name, even if they merge with Microsoft [or Sony, Sears, UPS or Ford Motor Company, for that matter], but many, many small ISPs give their old customers new e-mail addresses when they merge.)

Re: Alonzo Pack-1900, Texas

VicHarding — 2009-08-02 17:57:43Z

Yes, I have looked at that Alonzo from White CO, TN and have found he is not the same Alonzo. I can find nothing that puts this Alonzo in Texas at all, so I am pretty sure he is not the same. Also, Minnie was about 2 when Alonzo left, which puts him at 1901. The Alonzo (son of Pleasant and Bethena) married in 1899 in White Co, TN, so he would have had to make good time to be in Texas and Tennesee at the same time. Thanks for the view though.

Now, there was a mention of a Roscoe Pack (although born 1889) that could be a good starting point. I do know my Alonzo came to Texas with a Roscoe and an Arthur. Arthur's family moved to Ft. Worth area at some time, and I do know that there is a cousin to Minnie still (in 2006) living there. I have met him and I can recall when he would visit my grandfather and they would go fishing together in Arkansas.

This is a big mess with him leaving Flora as he did, but I am still determined to find this rascal.

Thanks for all the information you have posted.

Incidentally, I had a post asking if anyone knew about a Mrs. Pack, on Rutledge St, Dallas, who requested the marriage license for FLora and Alonzo. I have recently found that the requestor was Flora Curry Pack McAnally. I do not know why she requested a copy of her own marriage license, but she did.

From the story my grandfather told, Alonzo came to Texas with Roscoe, Arthur, James and possibly a John. I had assumed that they were all grown men when they moved, but looking at all the information here, perhaps they were younger when they moved. I still don't know for sure.

Thanks,
Vic

Re: Pack Family

acytracey — 2009-08-01 11:26:42Z

help working on the pack side of my fathers

can anyone help me out jeremiah pack is the line i am working on

Re: Deaf Pack

ssvarneyb — 2009-07-07 22:28:24Z

Would you be willing to share your photo , through Email. I would be grateful,lostadams@aol.com

PACK Floyd M 1907-1958

t42MountOlivet — 2009-07-16 22:43:17Z

PACK Floyd M 1907-1958

I photographed this gravestone in the Mount Olivet Cemetery, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 204,880 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com .

If you know more about this person please reply here instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family.

Re: Packs of Grayson/Wythe/Carroll counties, VA

theoldecrow — 2009-06-19 04:46:10Z

Hi! I think I may be able to help you! I am the great great granddaughter of Andy Pack. I have a lot of information and several pictures that you may be interested in. Please contact me at theoldecrow@yahoo.com and I will be happy to share what info and pics I have! Thanks so much!

Re: Thomas Pack b:1805 Nc,2marriages in Tn

jomelton24 — 2009-05-01 13:40:15Z

Hi cousin,
My Great grandfather was Joseph Patrick Pack, My Great Grandmother was Sarah Jane Ray, Pack. I am looking for information about Joseph's brother Andrew.
My grandfather was Richard Napoleon (Poley) Pack.
Do you have any infornation on Andrew?
Jo

Re: George F. Pack, 1886-1912, Alabama

alaeagleeye — 2009-05-13 12:19:20Z

Thank you so much for the info! This is part of my husbands family and no one knew anything beyond George F.'s daughter Ella, she was my husbands grandmother. Ella's parents, George F. and Mamie, both died when Ella was a very small child so there wasn't much to go on. Anyway, thanks again!
Donna

George F. Pack, 1886-1912, Alabama

alaeagleeye — 2009-05-12 18:53:31Z

Looking for information on George F. Pack, D.O.B. 11-17-1886, DEATH 4-8-1912, he was married to Mamie Thrasher, they had a daughter named Ella and she was married to Venus Casey. George and Mamie are buried in Lathamville, Alabama. Any information about George would be greatly appreciated, especially names of his parents.
Thank You
Donna

Re: Packs of Grayson/Wythe/Carroll counties, VA

lostadams_1 — 2009-06-19 20:34:26Z

Hey Ted Pack, You must be related, You sure have the humor, of the Packs. I am still wading throug all my Pack info,& still running int some brick walls, there must be at least a hundred, Ralph's & George Pack's out there. Keep up the good work. lostadams@aol.com

obit - PACK, Robert (1922-1973)

Nancy_Poppin_Umland — 2009-08-31 19:45:59Z

PACK, Robert – In Kentfield, January 17, 1973, Robert Pack, beloved husband of Carmen Pack, devoted father of Robert Pack, Jr., of Kentfield, loving brother of Walter Pack of Lagunitas, Mrs. Zena Hawken of Tahoe City, Mrs. Vera Marston of San Francisco, Kenneth Pack of Daly City, and the late Nick Pack; a native of Los Angeles, aged 50 years.
Friends are invited to attend the funeral Saturday, January 20, 1973, at 11 a.m. at the chapel of the Hills, 330 Redhill Ave., San Anselmo. Entombment Mt. Olivet Cemetery, San Rafael. Recitation of the rosary Friday, at 8 p.m. at the chapel of the Hills.

San Francisco Chronicle, Friday, January 19, 1973, page 38
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From my file:
CA Birth Index: PACK ROBERT 1922 11 05 NOSHKIN MALE LOS ANGELES

CA Death Index: PACK ROBERT 1922 11 05 MALE CA MARIN 1973 01 17 559243308 50

Spouse: Eva Unknown - no other information
Known children: Robert Jr. - no other information

Parents: John P. Pack (1895-1960) and Mary Emil Noshkin (1890-1926)
Known children: Zena, Walter, Vera, Nick, Robert, Kenneth

1. Zena (1914-2005) md. Donald Irving Hawken, Sr. (1914-1923) = Hilary and Donald
2. Walter - no other information
3. Vera (1916-2004) md. Unknown Marston = Zoya (1936-2001) and Nicole
4. Nick (1920-1971) md. Josephine Veronica Foehr (1920-1995) on 07 Oct 1939 in San Francisco, CA = Georgene, Nicholas, and Jacqueline
5. Robert - see above
6. Kenneth (1924-2001) md. Christine Lopez = Veronica, Yvonne, Rosalyn

Re: PACK Floyd M 1907-1958

JPritchett2 — 2009-08-30 18:19:20Z

Floyd was my Grandmothers' brother. Her name was Mary Rose (Pack) Richardson. I have info on this family. Anyone interested please contact me JPritchett2@hotmail.com
Thank you for the photos.
Joyce Pritchett

Re: Looking for Arnold J. Pack - RPC Heilbronn

packa001 — 2009-07-31 08:03:53Z

It's Arnold R. Pack, CW3 now retired. Can you tell me who is searching?

Arlene Pack

Re: Deaf Pack

Stella_Gadd — 2009-07-07 20:41:12Z

Hi. I have a photograph of Jane Vest Pack, her husband and children. She was my mother's cousin.

Looking for more information about this Raleigh County, W.Va., family. I knew son Elbert, who was deaf.

Auburn, montgomery, va pack family

cbaker17_1 — 2009-09-06 22:22:38Z

Henry Pack's son Henry jr, I suppose. I am looking for anyone who might be related to these children.

Henry abt 1869 or so married Martha(no known last maiden name) 1874. Martha had five children but only four children are living as of 1900. Their children are Lawrence/Florence 1891(i dont know which one is the real name as of yet), Erstine 1893, Walter 1896, Susie 1898

At some point, martha died and henry remarried. His second wife was Anna(maiden name unknown)1881. She was married previously also and had children from a previous marriage.
Her children were Rutledge Glenn 1900, Genevieve Glenn 1902, George W. Glenn 1906. The children that they had together were Rachel V 1909, Viola P 1911, Ollie 1913, mary e 1914, nathaniel 1919, Olivia 1920.
He also has two documented grandchildren mildred 1920 and thelma james. 1923
if anyone knows anything about any let me know. Thanks!!

newbern, pulaski, va pack family

cbaker17_1 — 2009-09-06 20:38:23Z

Looking for anyone related to these people:

Henry pack 1831 wife Margaret(margarett)Hall 1844
Children:
Lewis 1860
Mary B 1862
Henry A 1864
James W 1867
Lucy Ann 1869

Margaret's mother is Jane Hall who lived with them. She was born abt 1800-1802.
In both census that I found them they lived in Pulaski county.

Re: Pack Family in Ohio-Columbus, Dayton especially

cbaker17_1 — 2009-04-25 23:03:15Z

I looked at his relatives. I cannot find a direct link at this time! Thanks

PACK Marie 1918-2002

t42RoseHill — 2009-05-12 17:41:00Z

PACK Marie 1918-2002

I photographed this gravestone in the (Shannon) Rose Hill Cemetery, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 203,355 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com .

If you know more about this person please reply here,instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family.

Re: John Pack Family Association

PACARP7416 — 2009-05-04 19:05:03Z

MY HUSBAND IS A DECENDENT OF RUTH MOSHER PACK AND JOHN PACK.
HIS FATHER WAS KENNETH MOSHER CARPENTER AND MY HUSBAND'S NAME IS STEPHEN PAUL CARPENTER.

Pack, Savage, Poore

AlfredaDoonkeen — 2009-06-12 00:00:17Z

Hello Ted Pack and others:

Ted. I received some info. from an Uncle Robert-in-law on husband's side. A little lady in the S.E. sent U.Robt. a lot of reserch 15 years ago, and their are copies of wills, land descriptions and parentage schedules.

If you are interested, let me know.

I have been researching Woodwards and Russells, both from Kentucky.

Pack/Bowers/Betras

Margrette50 — 2009-05-03 16:09:24Z

Myrtle Bowers married an Earl Pack 1928 in Monogalia, West Virginia. I found her daughter Elva Jean Pack who married a Moses Michael Betras in 1947 in Ohio County, West Virgina. Moses died March 25,2005 and Elva Aug 27, 2003. I have an obit for Moses but would like one for Elva Jean. They both passed away in Valley Grove, Ohio, WV. His obit was in The Times Leader.
Any help would be appreciated. My condolences go out to any living family members.I am sorry for your loss.
Thank you,
Margrette

Smith Green -> Thomas and Cherokee Blood

0798hm — 2009-06-06 23:12:25Z

Hello, all! I'm Russell Mikel and have just recently stumbled into my Pack ancestors via Mary Melissa Pack (1833-1989) who married Solomon Stansbury. Her parents appear to be Thomas Pack (1805-1870) and Artilissie Hawkins (1805-1838), and Thomas' parents appear to be Smith Green Pack, Sr. (1760-1835) and Elizabeth 'Betsy' Lowery (d.1839). I'm still confirming these dates, etc. (and it IS confusing!), but my real question is about Elizabeth Lowery and the Cherokee question. I've seen trees claiming her parents as the Scotsman George Lowery who seems clearly to have married the Cherokee woman Oo Loo Tsa "Nannie" of the Blue Holly clan. But I've seen other trees that convincingly say that THAT Elizabeth married twice to other men, not to Smith Green Pack. Can anyone help me find out who this Smith Green Pack married? That seems to be the immediate key to unlocking the question of Cherokee blood in my line.

By the way, the results from DNA testing I had done came back with 0% native American blood for me, but I need to go back and see what they mean. If Nannie were my Cherokee ancestor, I would only be 0.4% Cherokee (1/256), so it might not register. Thanks!

Re: Smith Green -> Thomas and Cherokee Blood

0798hm — 2009-06-07 22:43:16Z

Thanks, Janete. I've seen the name Jeremiah in the discussions, but where does he fit in? More recently, it sounds like. Also, there is (naturally) a Smith Green Pack, Jr (brother to Tom). And I have seen other Green Packs (not sure if there are other Smith Green Packs). An odd name to have show up.

I'm afraid I don't have much beyond what I included in my note since I just found the Pack line, but I hope to learn more (and have learned a lot already!). I'll share whatever I have.

By the way, I kept coming across the book Facets of Fannin, and want to confirm that you can order it from the Fannin County Library for $80 + $7.50 shipping. It apparently has a lot of family histories, including info on the Packs. I can't wait to see what it has to say!

Re: Tom Pack

DebraGallagher86 — 2009-08-10 02:39:00Z

See Patterson, California cemetery records; Mable, John and Manuel are buried there. See also my earlier post to you. Care to share our gathered information? Feel free to respond to debra.gallagher@sympatico.ca

John Pack (1824) - Who were his parents?

markapack — 2009-05-19 13:56:59Z

Looking for the parents of John Pack (b. 1824) who married Sarah Ann Endicott. They had a son James Pack (1866).

I've found 3 possible options:

1) Samuel Pack (1780) and Jane Brown (1785)
2) Charles Pack (~1787) and Elizabeth Crum (~1790)
3) George Pack (1796) and Sarah Lain (1802)

Thanks.
Mark