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the penroses of Cornwall

midgiesmail — 2009-11-07 07:08:58Z

My maiden name is Penrose and I have been told that my Grandfather Earl Penrose came from Cornwall and his family were tin miners and his Father ,I believe was a Methodist Minister.He was brought to the U.S. and traveled in route to the gold rush in California by way of Utah.Some dispute with the Morman colony Im told was the reason they didnt stay in Utah.He had several Brothers and sisters,one brother Chester resided in Orland Ca. until his death.

Percy James (Jim)Penrose.

brynhyfryd — 2009-10-06 18:17:05Z

Would Rose Penrose please contact me?
I believe her father Percy and mine ,John were brothers.
Percy was born in Cornwall the son of Arthur James Penrose and Ivy Alice Godfrey, he now lives in Canada.
Kindest Regrads,
Sue Rogers.

Margaret Penrose & William Supplee

jlauman_1 — 2009-09-25 20:02:31Z

According to page 55 of the Penrose book Margaret Penrose b. 26 Feb 1793, Philadelphia, d. 18 Feb 1868 (d/o Jonathan Penrose & Ann Rowan) married a William Supplee.

Does anyone know who William's parents were?

Thanks,

Jack

Re: Penrose from Devon

brynhyfryd — 2009-09-06 15:23:21Z

No Problem, good luck!
Sue.

Re: Penrose from Devon

ewoolly — 2009-09-06 14:26:23Z

Yes please, keep my file, I always look at all penrose entries, going back, who knows where our folks may have been on that census day...Thanks for responding. . . . .
Elaine Penrose Woolly

Re: Penrose from Devon

brynhyfryd — 2009-09-06 13:26:45Z

Hi Elaine.
Thanks for your message, I don't think I had any Penrose's from S.D., they seem mostly to have been in Gunnislake, Callington and St Anne's Chapel. I will keep your message on file just in case.
Thanks again.
Kindest Regards,
Sue Rogers.

Re: Penrose, in Devon England

elainewoolly — 2009-09-06 05:33:06Z

Your John Penrose sound just like my John Penrose lets talk. eawoolly@charter.net . . .Elaine Ann Penrose Woolly

Re: Penrose, in Devon England

elainewoolly — 2009-09-06 05:17:03Z

My grandfather John Penrose, b. 1856 Devon, Stoke Damerel,
married in 1878 to Sarah Ann Dawkins. by that time his father had already passed away buy don't know when. Father's name was John also. I have no info on his parents or any siblings. He had three children: (1) Albert William b. 1883, had children Mabel & George, (2)Ernest John b. 1886 my Dad and (3)Ada Winifred. I give you the childrens names because sometimes family names are reoccurring and could note a connection.
In 1908 John Penrose, his wife Sarah Ann and their daughter Ada, 18 yrs old embark to American aboard the SS St. Paul. arriving in New York, New York August 24, 1908. Their destination is Carleton, Ontario, Canada. John passed away 1942 in Peterborough, Ontario, Canada

Elaine Penrose Woolly

Re: Penrose from Devon

elainewoolly — 2009-09-06 05:06:13Z

My grandfather John Penrose, b. 1856 Devon, Stoke Damerel,
married in 1878. by that time his father had already passed away buy don't know when. Fathers name was John also. I have no info on his parents or any siblings. He had three children: (1) Albert William b. 1883, had children Mabel & George, (2)Ernest John b. 1886 my Dad and (3)
Ada Winifred. I give you the childrens names because sometimes family names are reoccurring and could note a connection. Elaine Penrose Woolly

Re: William S. & William T. Penrose

jpensundj1 — 2009-09-04 18:27:22Z

Hello Virginia,
This is from Jean Penrose Sundborg of Seattle. I came across my print out of your 17 March 09 message about two William Penroses and that one of them married in Ellenville NY.
On the chance that the elder William is related to my William Ellsworth Penrose born 1805 in Foxholes, Yorkshire, England, I'm sending you these facts.

William Ellsworth P had a brother, George born in 1803 also in Foxholes, England. George immigrated to US in 23Aug1828
with a wife and several children. He next was found living in Mechnicville, NY, on the upper Hudson River. (Not too far from Ellensville (according to my atlas). George and wife, Mary had a son William born 1838. That's all I know aabout Wm born 1838. Might he have stayed in the area, married and fathered a William. Don't know who William born 1838 married. Could be Magdalena Rempe.

Do let me know if any of this info matches or is close to what you have.
JPS

Re: Thomas Penrose Photo

crmoore92 — 2009-08-24 12:48:18Z

I would be glad to do that, one never knows what might crop up in the future.

Re: Thomas Penrose Photo

brynhyfryd — 2009-08-24 11:53:32Z

Sorry I couldn't help, If you find later on that he was from Devon maybe you could contact me please?
Good luck with your search.

Re: Thomas Penrose Photo

crmoore92 — 2009-08-23 23:19:54Z

No, Thomas Penrose was from Indiana, USA. I have no idea if any of his ancestors might have been from the U. K.

Re: Thomas Penrose Photo

brynhyfryd — 2009-08-23 14:48:09Z

Hi.
Sorry I haven't a clue who the man is in the photo, did he come from Devon U.K>?

Thomas Penrose Photo

crmoore92 — 2009-08-21 17:14:42Z

This picture postcard was sent to Mary A. THOMPSON of Nashville, Brown Co. IN. I believe that he is connected to the PITTMAN family of that area. Can anyone help with the connection? I have at least 2 other pictures of this man. They all appear to be around 1910 or so.

James Arthur Penrose

brynhyfryd — 2009-08-14 12:58:41Z

Hi help please?
My grandfather James Arthur Penrose was born 1890, he married Ivy Alice Godfrey in Plymouth in 1919.
His father is stated as a John Penrose (deceased), Army Pensioner.
Their first child Percy James Penrose was born in Tavistock in 1921,(or at least registered there), all of their other children were born in Ystradgynlais, Wales.
A family tale is that Ivy was born in Gunnislake (have sent for her b.c.) and that James was born in a village nearby.
Any help please.
Thanks, Sue Rogers (ne Penrose).

Penrose from Devon

brynhyfryd — 2009-08-14 12:50:29Z

Hi I am having a problem with my Penrose line from Devon too.
My grandfather James Arthur Penrose married Ivy Alice Godfrey in Plymouth in 1919, His father's name was John Penrose. Thier first child was born in Tavistock (well, registered there) in 1921, the other children were all born in the Ystradgynlais area of Wales.
Any help please.
Thanks Sue Rogers (ne Penrose).

Re: Penroses in Cornwall and Devon

pjklf — 2009-07-27 17:30:16Z

Yes indeed it is Keith. It makes complete sense though. Very often there is a trailblazer in the family and if the move away from an area is successful others from the family are likely to give it a try especially when there may be economic hardship or even meltdown in their own area. In their new environment conceivably they might even consider themselves to be comparatively well-off. Re-settlement is so much easier and comforting when you have members of the family with you or at least nearby even if you are in a strange place for work purposes.It is tragic what happened tO Elizabeth and it was miserable to die in the workhouse even if was your home town.

Re: Penroses in Yorkshire

sher_leetooze — 2009-07-27 14:01:20Z

Hello there:
well, I don't think anyone has been able to link the Sennen Penrose families with any of the others - there may have been three main Penrose lines - none related - Penrose is a "place name" - someone told me one time what it meant, but for the life of me I can't remember - it's old Cornish.
There is still a Penrose living at Lostwithiel, Cornwall - a retired naval man or some such (has a title/rank) but I think he is probably one of yours (Sennen) because he's not one of ours. Perhaps he has some family history that would help you. He is likely in the UK phone book.

Re: Penroses in Yorkshire

sher_leetooze — 2009-07-27 14:00:42Z

Re: Penroses in Cornwall and Devon

sher_leetooze — 2009-07-27 13:50:43Z

Keith:
So nice to meet a distant cuz!
Yes, Elizabeth was a Harris and she married Thomas Penrose 20 Jan. 1794, at St. Agnes as you have said. THomas was born at St. Agnes of parents Thomas and Sarah Unknown who were also from St. Agnes. They had 7 known children. This Thomas was the son of Christopher and Unknown wife. Christopher was born at Crantock and and his first 5 known children were born at Perranzabuloe - the last 3 known were born at St. Agnes (Thomas was the youngest)Christopher's dad, also Christopher was, in turn, born at Newlyn East in 1650 his wife being Joanne Unknown. His father, yet another Christopher was born about 1626 at Newlyn East, and HIS father, John was born about 1600 also at Newlyn East.
From John and his wife Mary at Newlyn East in the early 1600's the men were all miners and it is possible the wives and children too worked above ground at the mines.
The information I have been able to gather is sketchy at best for this family and any further documentation. would be greatly appreciated to fill out their story. So far I have written nearly 400 pages about them and their adventures.

Re: Penroses in Yorkshire

sher_leetooze — 2009-03-26 01:58:46Z

Ours were too- in Peter Tavy and Mary Tavy in Devon - but then most people in Cornwall and Devon were either Methodists or later on Bible Christians. I have a photo of the little chapel in a row of mining cottages in Mary Tavy, now a barn, and another one- a Bible Christian Chapel at Zoar, also Mary Tavy, now a private residence. Two ends of the spectrum - the barn is very run-down while the residence is in super, renovated condition, and well done too!
I think the family would be rolling in their graves if they knew their chapels were not now chapels! Where abouts in Canada did your relatives live?
Sher
Canana

Re: Penroses in Yorkshire

sher_leetooze — 2009-03-25 22:55:57Z

Ah, I'll have to try and find these references. The saying I heard was, "If you find a hole anywhere in the world you'll find a Cornishman at the bottom of it..." No mention of a Penrose at the bottom, but I suppose it would be very possible, as that seems all they ever did - no, I tell a lie - one was a shop keeper in the parish and one was a Methodist minister who was stationed in Bermuda for a few years.
Sher
Canada

Re: Penroses in Yorkshire

sher_leetooze — 2009-03-24 14:19:36Z

Hello pjklf:
Have you done much work on the Cornish Penroses? Ours were from East Newlyn c1595 and were in the general area until c1795 when one of the sons moved to Devon and mined in the Peter Tavy/Mary Tavy mines. About 1850 many of the sons and grandsons of this man went to America to the goldrush in California. There are no Penroses left at Peter Tavy/Mary Tavy, though there probably are descendants through the daughters, some of whose married names I do not know. I would be curious to know how or if the various branches of the Penrose family at Cornwall are connected - or as you say, it is a "place surname" which many unrelated people carry.
Sher

Re: Penroses in Yorkshire

JeanPenSund — 2009-03-27 05:21:59Z

it's March 26, 2009, and I just got the alert from Ancestry that led me to the 16 messages about Penrose since March 11, 2008, notice the 08!

I'm here on the west coast of America, reading about all the Canadian, Australian, New Zealand,and English Penroses. A few of you mention Penroses that came to the US and were miners. In September 08 I visited Leadville, Colorado, and on the city map were the words "Penrose Mine". I found the site, and the historic sign identifying the site of former mine, now a superfund cleanup brownfield and vacant. No one by name of Penrose owned the mine, according to city records.

My Yorkshire roots are confirmed as far back as James Penrose born 20 sept 1778 in Bainton, Yorks. He married Susannah Riby, daughter of Geroge Riby and Elizabeth Hall, in Foxholes, East Yorks on 8 Sept 1795. After Susannah died in Foxholes in Jan 1846, James immigrated to New York where one of his sons, George, and family had lived since 1824. My direct ancestor, ggggrandfather, William Penrose, was son of James and Susannah. Wm immigrated to US in 1830 and married Yorkshire woman from Skipwith, Yorks,Martha Eleanor Wilson.

Six sisters of the immigrants (George and William) stayed in Yorkshire, near Foxholes, and as of this date I've located descendants of five of them. We got connected through the British website called GenesReunited. What a wonderful way to find matches of people on family trees. I hope to travel to Yorkshire in fall 09 to be able to meet some of these relatives and to share family history info.

Several of you mentioned Dr. Charles Penrose of New York who spent time in England doing research. I was in communication with him in 1970-80, and soon realized his Penroses were the educated, wealthy branch of Philadelphia. My Penroses were ag laborers who never owned land in England, and came searching for land in the US. Some of them were successful, but farmers never become wealthy, just healthy.
JPenSund

Percy James Penrose

brynhyfryd — 2009-04-23 18:16:22Z

RE: ROSE PENROSE who is researching the above name.
Woiuld you please contact me please? I think Percy and my father were/are brothers? their parents were: James Arthur Penrose and Ivy (ne Godfrey). from Gunnislake.
Sue Rogers(ne Penrose) @ sueeryri@yahoo.co.uk

Re: Penroses in Cornwall

sarahcross_1 — 2009-04-06 04:50:33Z

Hi
What are you trying to say or do you have anything to say?

Re: Penroses in Yorkshire

sarahcross_1 — 2009-03-27 10:50:52Z

i have further information on my dad's side of the family. my dad's dad name was Harold George Penrose born in Reading in England and he was married to Ethel nee Darlington born in Huddersfield. Please advise if any of your uncles were perhaps named Harold George Penrose

Re: Penroses in Yorkshire

sarahcross_1 — 2009-03-25 07:49:54Z

My dad is Kenneth Penrose and he has 3 brothers, Dennis, Stanley, and John Donald Penrose, they was born between 1925 and 1935.
My dad stays in south Africa, Stanley stays in Sussex in England, Dennis stays in Huddersfield and Donald stays in London
Stanley was married to Eilleen and had two daughters Carol and Anne. Stanley is now divorced and has since re-married.
Dennis was married to Christine and they had two sons Anthony and Russell
With regards to Donald I don’t have much information about him.
Are any of the above related to you.

Re: Penroses in Yorkshire

JamesEakins — 2009-07-25 12:11:39Z

I have not cruised the Penrose boards for some time now and stumbled across this most interesting thread. Our line traces back to Yorkshire and family tradition has it originating in Sithney, Cornwall but that remains to be proven. The gentleman, and resident expert for our line, who was working on the Yorkshire/Cornwall connection some years ago was Trevor Clifton. Unfortunately I have not heard from Trevor in some years now.

What first caught my eye was one of your earlier posts in which you mentioned the members of your family living in Canada and, most particularly, in southern Ontario. My own line came from Yorkshire to Ireland and from there to Pennsylvania and, ultimately, to Newmarket, Ontario, where I was born. There was discussion earlier about finding a Penrose at the bottom of most mines and I think, similarly, if you turn over a rock in the Toronto/Newmarket corridor you will find a Penrose.

Time now to go back to the beginning of this interesting thread to try to sort out who's who in the zoo, as it were, to see if there is any possible connection with my own line.

Jim

Re: Penroses in Yorkshire

JamesEakins — 2009-07-26 14:36:52Z

Ken,

Wow, small world. Trevor and I corresponded for quite some time, many years ago now, but less so over time as he kept reaching brick walls in trying to find a Cornwall/Yorkshire connection. He had so much on the go (research, web pages and DNA research) that I wondered if possibly he was simply burned out with all things genealogical. I did not get involved with his DNA project at first and was not able to make contact with him when, later, I thought it might be fun to particiapte. Hope all is well with him because he really was a super chap: I envy your actually meeting him.

Trevor was working on several possible connections and the last that he shared with me was the possibility that a Thomas Penrose de St. Kevern (born circa 1532 in St. Buddock, Cornwall) came to County Yorkshire and that I descend from this possible connection. Send me an e-mail (jim.eakins@ns.sympatico.ca) and I will send you a direct line report showing how Trevor believed I might connect with this County Cornwall line.

Jim

Penroses in Cornwall

tomo8717 — 2009-04-05 16:21:14Z

Hi, We have got as far as John Penrose who married Eliza Coad in St Gluvius in 1854. John`s father is given as William but he is rather elusive ! As this parish is very near Falmouth and the family then moved to Devon i`m wondering if we are linked to the Sennon Cove Pirates ??? Can anyone help please. Tomo

Re: Penroses in Cornwall

tomo8717 — 2009-04-05 16:05:42Z

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Re: Penroses in Cornwall

tomo8717 — 2009-04-05 16:05:40Z

Hi,

Penroses in Cornwall and Devon

keithgregson21 — 2009-07-27 17:02:32Z

Thanks for this. The Penroses have always fascinated me. I am a social historian by training and write features for most of the major family history magazines so when I discovered a poor law connection with Elizabeth Penrose/Harris it was a real bonus. The family must have moved to Marytavy from the Truro area then Thomas died in 1836 and the Poor Law authorities would not accept Elizabeth's settlement. There is quite a todo in the Marytavy Poor Law acounts and in 1840, she was sent back to her native Tregavethan/Kenwyn where she died in the workhouse in 1844. What is really interesting me at the moment is the move of communities. My greatgrandfather Stephens and many of his friends neighbours made the move from the copper mines in Devon to the iron mines of Cumberland in the 1870s. It would seem that the same interrelated group have moved from Truro/St Agnes/Kenwyn/Perranporth to Marytavy together almost a century earlier and a generation back. Of my four Marytavy families - Floyd, Penrose and Stephens ( x2) I reckon three belong to this St Agnes area gang - the other Stephens family was in Lydford, Devon back into the 17th century. Maybe they originated in Cornwall too. Fascinating stuff.

Re: Penroses in Yorkshire

keithgregson21 — 2009-07-25 08:02:27Z

Fascinated by your post! My ancestor was Elizabeth Penrose who was christened the daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth Penrose at Marytavy in 1802. The earliest Marytavy reference I have to the family is the birth of son Nicholas in 1798. I suspect that Thomas died in 1836 and that his wife was returned by the poor law authorities to Tregevethan, Kenwyn near Truro in Cornwall where she seems to appear in the 1841 census in the workhouse where she died soon after. Her maiden name may have been Harris and her marriage to Thomas took place at nearby St Agnes by Truro. I suspect the Penroses of Marytavy originated in this general area - as it happens I am holidaying there in a couple of weeks

Re: Penroses in Yorkshire

janeroy6 — 2009-04-09 10:21:38Z

Have just sent you a message regarding the Penroses of Patrington.Please let me know if you didn't receive it.

Re: Penroses in Yorkshire

pjklf — 2009-03-27 10:44:11Z

Thanks for this. From the location of your family in Bainton it might be that your family originally descends from the Sinnington North Yorkshire branch. They seem to appear at about the same time as the Wheldrake branch with whom they may be linked. I say seem because we have to rely on records for evidence and the first evidence available is in the baptisms and they did not commence until about 1540. They could have been there a lot longer. Given that these Penroses appear to have surfaced in Yorkshire records in the 1540s theie arrival may have something to do with them following a landowner with Cornish connections when land freed up by the dissolution of the monasteries was made available by the KIng. First off he gave such land to his cronies and then it was sold on the open market. Someone fom Cornwall or with Cornish connections maybe through marriage may have brought theri own people to work on the land because they owed previous loyalty to the land owner and would continue to be loyal whereas local labour may not have been so committed and loyal. This is just a suggestion by the way but it did happen a lot in the 1530s when people moved right across the UK to take up other land given to them or which they bought. So for example the Russell family who were the Dukes of Bedford took on ex monastic land in Tavistock, Devon, Woburn Bedfordshire and Thorney in Cambridgeshire and took their own retainers with them to do it. That is how the Duke of Bedford also became the Marquis of Tavistock. However there were at least several Penroses in Yorkshire by the mid 1400s and no doubt others came later. I also have good evidence that some Penroses were and always had been followers of the Percy family and the Percys main stronghold was Northumberland where even today there are some Penrose families. Of course the Percy family were heavily involved in the Welsh wars of the early 1400s and latterly supported the Welsh cause as against the English. The Percys may have had Penroses fighting with them. The problem was that the Welsh lost and probably the only safe place for these Penroses to go was to Percy stronghold. Another Percy stronghold was Wharram Percy In Yorkshire and another at Leconfield near Beverley. In a book I have on the shelf a John Penrose, Tailor, is mentioned with others as wearing the Percy emblem in Beverley and being punished for it. This John Penrose continued to break the law for the Percy cause. In 1501 the King had passed a law banning the retainers of northern earls such as the Nevilles and the Percys from wearing such emblems of loyalty. This was because he was scared of their power and rule in the North. John Penrose seems to have ben continually involved in skirmishes on behalf of the family and he may also have been the John Penrose Tailor who witnessed a murder in Beverley in 1485 and which incident and John Penrose's testimony is set out in some detail in Star Chamber proceedings.

Re: Penroses in Yorkshire

pjklf — 2009-03-26 13:03:10Z

Thanks. Yes there are so many conversions and they are usually to a high standard. Yes, John Wesley and his brother made a big impact in Cornwall and the west generally and their methodism was also taken up in the cities where ordinary working class people could worship in chapels as opposed to in the established churches which tended to be the province of the middle and upper classes.

My sister Donna lives in Waterloo, Ontario and sister Lynda lives near Hartington, Ontario. My uncle Ken lives in Newfoundland and my daughter has just emigrated and now lives where Ken's brother, my father Gordon Penrose was born, Hamilton Ont.

Re: Penroses in Yorkshire

pjklf — 2009-03-26 00:24:44Z

Thanks Sher. I have two sisters in Canada. My Uncle Norm was a United Reform Church Minister there and my great grandfather the Reverend James William Penrose was a Methodist Minister in Canada! He was a reformed bad lad who saw the light having been converted one night after coming out of a music hall in the port of South Shields in North East England. Outside were the Hull Mission people and that was it. Young Jim was preaching in the market place in South Shields the next Saturday and eventually he gave up his job and became a City Missionary emigrating to Canada with his family in 1912. His father didn't convert however although his wife was a devout Methodist. My research in Hull has shown that from the 1780s most if not all the Penroses there were Methodists.

Re: Penroses in Yorkshire

pjklf — 2009-03-24 12:25:18Z

Hi

If it is any help I ma now of the opinion that my branch of the Penroses descend back to a John Penrose baptised at Skidby in 1773 who married a Nancy (Ann) Hardisty baptised at Patrington at Holy Trinity Hull in 1793. They had a child called John baptised at St Marys Hull in 1793. George Baptised at HT in 1796 Richard baptised in 1797 but who died. Another Richard born 1799 but not baptised at HT until 1803. This Richard was the painter. I presume John was still a mariner, hence the delay in baptising Richard.

Re: Penroses in Yorkshire

pjklf — 2009-03-25 18:22:52Z

Thanks. No not specifically but I do know something of the Sennen branch, some of whom were pirates. This branch are mentioned in a chapter called we found Penrose or something like that in Daphne Du Maurier's book Vanishing Cornwall. Some of those Penroses later moved to Budock annd Falmouth and more piracy and also Probus and Merther. I believe my line starts in Hull with a marriage of William Penrose, carpenter, born Probus but baptised Merther in Cornwall and Prudence Pearcey at Holy Trinity Church Hull in 1617. I was told about the mining aspects by a Penrose who lived at Richmond in Yorkshire who told me that if I went to anywhere in the world that had a mine and called out the name Penrose one of them would come up and answer to the name. A gross exaggeration of course but the gist of it is probably true. In the British Libarary in London is a collection of various Penroses family trees and correspondence involving the Cornish aspect and various researchers attempts to find when the Penroses went to Yorkshire but in doing so incidentally they have dealt with the Cornish heritage. That book is by Dr Charles Penrose who used to live at Potsdam in New York but lived in Cambridge England for a time to carry out this study of the name. He is probably long dead.
My line is the earliest Penrose records in Yorkshire. The earliest is a Penrose working on the manor at Ingleby Arncliffe in Yorkshire in the 1440s, a tailor called John Penrose mentioned in Star Chamber proceedings in 1485 and a family of them resident in Wheldrake in Yorkshire in the 1550s. At least some of whom went to Irelend to fight under Oliver Cromwell and some of them then went to the States, others stayed in Ireland some returned to Yorkshire and others went to London.

Re: Penroses in Yorkshire

pjklf — 2009-07-27 16:12:26Z

Thanks for the information Sher. Pen means hill (hill being the saxon word for a promontory or point of high land which could also be a headland) and rose means valley. so the people who bore this name are likely to have lived in a place with those geographical features. The old Penrose manor now a farmhouse in Sennen has exactly the requisite features, sitting as it does on a pen (hill) and in front of it is a rose (valley. The village Penrose near Padstow has been in existence since at least the 14th century probably much earlier so as fixed surnames started coming into use in the 14th century some Penroses will have been named after that place.

Re: Penroses in Yorkshire

pjklf — 2009-07-26 09:41:52Z

Thanks Jim My own Penroses only migrated to Canada in 1912. They were from Hull in Yorkshire. For many years I too was in regular contact with Trevor but he has lost all interest in the Penroses now and although I have tried to rekindle it, there is no hope. He did tell me about the Wheldrake and Irish connections and I went to Wheldrake and took some photos for him. I have yet to establish whether my line is connected to the Wheldrake line. Trevor's wife Linda was apparently descended from the Wheldrake line who then went to Ireland under Cromwell and her ancestor then returned from Ireland to London. Anna and I shared a meal with Trevor and Linda in Porthleven in Cornwall some years back.
Trevor and I worked quite a bit on the Sennen line where there is still the Penrose farmhouse and the story of which is detailed in Daphne Du Maurier's book Vanishing Cornwall. I believe the Sennen line are linked to both the Helston and Falmouth lines.

Ken

Re: Penroses in Yorkshire

pjklf — 2009-07-26 21:02:08Z

Thanks, Yes I will. Poor Trevor, he had been working away on the Wheldrake Penroses on the basis that these were the original Penroses in Yorkshire. I put forward a theory that the Penroses may have found themselves in Yorkshire post 1530 because one or more of them were resident in a manor in Cornwall and the Lord of the Manor may have been given ex monastery or priory land in Yorkshire and the Lord would wish to have his own people working for him at least at first given that at least he would know them on the devil you know principle and because there could have been local hostility and administering the newly acquired land might be made difficult by the locals. At that time the 1530s the Duke of Bedford did just that, taking some of his retainers to post reformation acquired land at Thorney In Cambridgeshire, Woburn in Bedfordshire and Tavistock in Devon (he also became Marquess of Tavistock) or possibly the move was a result of intermarrying of families and the Lord of a Manor in Cornwall married the daughter of a Lord or the heiress herself of a Manor in Yorkshire or because the Penrose was granted the land, holding it for the Tenant in Chief which is the case with John Penrose of Hotham in Yorkshire or the Penrose had acquired ex Monastery or Priory land on the open market which is where the remainder could be found after Henry had given or allocated land to his friends at Court. Then by chance I came across a Penrose working on a manor in Ingleby Arncliffe in North Yorkshire in the 1460s (the date is from memory) and also a John Penrose who was a Tailor living in Beverley in 1485 (again I think this date is right I haven't checked) who witnessed a murder with another and gave a statement to the Court of the Star Chamber in whose proceedings I found the record. These finds were made at the Society of Genealogists. This cast doubt on when the Penroses actually first settled in Yorkshire. I then found a reference to a John Penrose being a retainer of the Percy family in Leconfield near Beverley. This John Penrose was always getting into scrapes and confrontations on behalf of the Percy family. A real faithful retainer. The footnotes to the book revealed that in 1501 this John Penrose was a Tailor and in 1501 was of Howden in Yorkshire. Poor Trevor, he had to re-write a lot of his theories.

Re: Penroses in Yorkshire

pjklf — 2009-07-26 20:31:49Z

Thanks Keith. Pleased you found it interesting.

Re: Penroses in Yorkshire

pjklf — 2009-03-27 11:51:53Z

Thanka. I don't know of a Harold George Penrose although we do have George Penroses. Do you know how long the family have the family been in Reading?

Whatever, there is one thing certain. That is that the family origianlly came from Cornwall.

Have you done thought about the DNA test offered by Ancestry.com. The results were fascinating and provide the names of your real ansectors. That is those that share your DNA. If the person has the same surname as you, the chances are that you are related are about 99%. I have done tests with Ancesrtry.com and Familytreedna.com. The latter has a bigger database.

Re: Penroses in Yorkshire

pjklf — 2009-07-25 10:06:35Z

No Sher not very much at all. I am trying to get that link from Yorkshire to Cornwall first before getting stuck into Cornish Penrose research so I I know in which part of Cornwall to research. In my own case I am pretty sure it is the Sennen branch.

Re: Penroses in Yorkshire

pjklf — 2009-04-10 12:11:59Z

Addition to messsage.

Thanks for responding. Yes I know of Richard Penrose and Mary Raper at South Cave and the other South Cave Penroses. These Penroses were probably closely related to the ones at Bromfleet and Whitgift. Eg Thomas Penrose of South Cave but born Whitgift married Paveret Hannah Armstrong on 9 august 1724 at South Cave.

Sadly the twins Matthew and George Penrose were buried at Patrington on 26 Jan 1783 and on Mar 1 1785 and on Aug 9 1788 Ann and George daughter and son respectively of Richard Penrose of Patrington labourer were buried. Ann Penrose (Sleight?) wife of Richard Penrose labourer was buried on sept 7 1781. She had had Richard bapt Aug 17 1771 Thomas Nov 5 1773 John Jan 24 1776 (the one I had suspected was my John) Robert Feb 8 1778 and William on Dec 23 1780. I see I have misled you and others in the posting on Ancestry.com Richard and Ann in fact came from South Cave to Patrington and there is no obvious reason but it must be some family connection. Richard did have Beverley connections however. The Patrington book is excellent isn't it? Yes the Patrington Penrose family were mole catchers but they also caught Fulmars and other birds and animals as the parish records record. They are listed as mole catchers in trade directories and they are buried in the churchyard with easy to read gravestones. Elenor Flesk widow married Richard Penrose on 15 July 1782.

Re: Penroses in Yorkshire

pjklf — 2009-04-10 09:18:48Z

Thanks Jane. Message received. I will write separately but yes I have a lot of information about the Patrington Penroses and Richard actually married a fourth time to Martha Huffman. I believe he committed suicide in 1805.

I think I am linked to these Penroses but my current thinking is that the John Penrose who married Nancy (Ann?) Hardisty daughter of George Hardisty skinner was baptised at Skidby in 1773 the son of Charles Penrose. Charles had two other children at Skidby, Mary and Ann. I think that family may have come from Kirk Ella. The Patrington Penroses seem to have emanated from Richard who had married in Beverley and moved to Patrington. Why I have no idea but of course there must be a reason. My John married Nancy at Holy Trinity Hull in 1793 so if he was the one who was baptised at Patrington he would only have been 17 at the time of marriage but the marriage record dos not mention this. They had ahd a child John a few months earlier baptised at St Mary's Lowgate and at that time this John was a cordwainer which is unlikely at age 17. By the time of his marriage he was a mariner. Presumably he had a dual occupation. The Skidby John would have been about 20 at the time of the marriage which although that did not make him full age was closer to 21 and of course by the time of his marriage he already had a child, albeit baptised in an adjacent parish.