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PINKERTON Sam 1917 2001 together forever

t42GreenAcres_JohnsonCoTX — 2009-10-27 12:06:48Z

PINKERTON Sam 1917 2001 together forever

The Johnson County Genealogical Society photographed this gravestone in the Green Acres Cemetery, Cleburne, Johnson Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 209,237 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com

If you know more about this person please reply here, instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family.

PINKERTON Basell R 1919 2006 together forever

t42GreenAcres_JohnsonCoTX — 2009-10-27 12:06:13Z

PINKERTON Basell R 1919 2006 together forever

The Johnson County Genealogical Society photographed this gravestone in the Green Acres Cemetery, Cleburne, Johnson Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 209,237 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com

If you know more about this person please reply here, instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family.

Re: Greene County Ilinois Pinkertons "THE BOOK"

richblondin — 2009-10-26 18:25:46Z

Hi I saw you post about a book on the Pinkerton's. How much info would you need to see if they are in the book? Also where would I get a copy of the book, should my line be in the book. Please reply to "suunsu@gmail.com.

Rich Blondin

John Pinkerton to America 1790

auntanna1 — 2009-10-26 15:41:46Z

My ancestor John Pinkerton came to South Carolina in 1791.
He had 13 Children. In 1814 he moved to Preble Co. Ohio.
That is where he lived out his life, as did several of his children. Then in 1849 three of the sons left OH and moved onto Peoria Co. IL. I have had my lineage done for years, and I will be glad to share what interests you may have on this lineage.

Re: Enough is Enough ------ "THE BOOK"

ssden2 — 2009-10-26 13:55:49Z

Ok come on guys.. Enough is enough.. if you have info to share this is the place for that.. but if you want to carry on freedom of information discussions... perhaps emailing each other is a better place to do that. As of this morning there are 101,000+ entries in the public family trees section of 'Ancestry' that refer to pinkertons. All available for a small membership. All of these opinions back and forth are being copied to thousands of others from this board. Lets keep it relavant please. Thanks from all of us out here.

Greene Co. Ill Andrew J Pinkerton

SKannarr8559 — 2009-10-26 05:03:29Z

He was born in 1823, son of David and Celia Barnes Pinkerton. In 1843 he married Martha Ann Hudson. They are on the 1850 census in Greene County with 3 boys. Does anyone know what happened to them after this?

Re: Greene County Ilinois Pinkertons "THE BOOK"

MJDuley — 2009-10-26 02:28:22Z

I agree, but only if you know your line is in it first. It would be a shame for someone to buy the book and find out that they aren't related to anyone in it (though from what I've heard, all Pinkertons in the U.S. are supposedly related at some point).

Re: Greene County Ilinois Pinkertons "THE BOOK"

rockymullin — 2009-10-26 00:57:51Z

Correct.

I want to also mention here that the price seems steep, but this is a research book that took a lot of work and with an extremely limited audience. Furthermore, for me, it's a small price to pay for something that is not only focused on my lineage but also which can immediately become an heirloom. Give it as a gift and it becomes a bit of a family treasure, to be passed down. $92 isn't a lot for a gift. It may seen like a huge bunch of money for "just a book" but his wouldn't be just a book to me.

I think the price is more than far for an object like this!

Re: Greene County Ilinois Pinkertons "THE BOOK"

MJDuley — 2009-10-25 17:28:46Z

I appreciate all the info. I do also appreciate the fact that the authors put a lot of time, effort and money into compiling the book, and do not want to see large reproductions of the info on the internet. I can understand that. In my opinion, with my limited knowledge of the law, it is similar to a book author not allowing an entire chapter of their book to be posted on the internet, but discussions of the book are perfectly legal.

Re: Greene County Ilinois Pinkertons "THE BOOK"

rockymullin — 2009-10-25 03:13:52Z

Check out my previous post. The information contained in the book is not copyrighted. Also read the wikipedia.com entry for "fair use" as it explains this better than I ever could.

The Copyright that the book holds protects the author from someone else from copying the book and selling the authors' work for a profit. This includes paraphrasing the book, or using the same information to come to the same conclusions via the same methods.

The information in the book, and most any book, are facts. Facts can not be copyrighted. You are free to share those facts.

There are copyrighted books of American history, for instance. The copyright does not prevent me from telling someone else about George Washington.

Re: Greene County Ilinois Pinkertons "THE BOOK"

MJDuley — 2009-10-24 23:52:08Z

I don't feel that you were bullying me, and I certainly know that was not your intent. I'm just wondering how information that is public record can be copyrighted? Some of that information is in my own family history files, information that I had long before the book was published. Am I now not allowed to share that information because it also happens to be contained in a book that is copyrighted?

Re: Greene County Ilinois Pinkertons "THE BOOK"

pluto8993 — 2009-10-23 23:39:08Z

opps book called " Pinkerton Descendants Through The Ages: Volume Ome :Unlocking The Past (Second Edition)

Re: Greene County Ilinois Pinkertons

pluto8993 — 2009-10-23 23:23:37Z

I am sorry if it seemed like I was "bullying" anyone I wasnt. And there is a second book as the first book is no longer in print. The second book is called "Pinkerton Descendants Through the Ages Volume Ages: Unlocking the Past (Second Edition). The reason for me and my co-author not wanting anyone to pass out information from this book is because it took us over 8 (eight) years to comply this book. Plus we have been burned by other people. We have paid for sites and memberships to get our information. This book has alot more information and pictures than the first therefore it's cost it is a bit higher. It's total cost with shipping is $92.50. We also have to pay for the books so dont think that we get off not paying for them to.

If you have any questions about people you can contact me.
pluto_8993@yahoo.com
Lori

Re: Greene County Ilinois Pinkertons

MJDuley — 2009-10-23 19:53:37Z

Yeah, and that's a lot to pay if you only need info on a small number of people.

Re: Greene County Ilinois Pinkertons

juliewallace176 — 2009-10-23 18:13:45Z

Well, and I went back and tried really hard to find any link whatever to that family. The only connection that might exist is where I go one generation beyond to David Pinkerton.

Re: Greene County Ilinois Pinkertons

auntanna1 — 2009-10-23 15:09:58Z

It would be a real disapointment to pay that much, and it turned out to not even be your lineage!

Re: Greene County Ilinois Pinkertons

MJDuley — 2009-10-22 16:21:51Z

Holy cow! I had no idea the book cost that much. My aunt bought my copy and I paid her back, and she didn't charge me anywhere near that amount. I wonder if she got a discount or if she was just trying to help me out by covering some of the cost.

Re: Greene County Ilinois Pinkertons

juliewallace176 — 2009-10-22 15:52:14Z

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Here's the information. It costs $85.00 plus $5.00 shipping.

Re: Greene County Ilinois Pinkertons

ssden2 — 2009-10-21 04:16:03Z

Hello.. Nice to find someone that has information on Oscar.. We have been seeking something for years. I have Birdella's information.. and would love to fill you in. I am a direct descendant of her brother from when they lived in Eastern Illinois. Try to get in touch at s.j.staples@att.net

Steve

Re: Greene County Ilinois Pinkertons

ssden2 — 2009-10-19 11:01:44Z

Hello, We too are looking for infomation on Pinkertons that were located in IL. I have an Oscar Pinkerton that married a Birdella Staples, having three children in the Cresent City area. This family lived in or around this area and Onarga IL before moving on to Iowa as well. Has anyone information on this family or where they came from?

Re: Greene County Ilinois Pinkertons

MJDuley — 2009-10-20 15:25:12Z

Hello everyone! I'm a Pinkerton descendant and I have a book on the Pinkerton family, descendants of Richard Pinkerton Sr., born in Northern Ireland in 1740. I would be very happy to try to find any Pinkertons in this book for anyone who asks. However, the book unfortunately does not have an index, so I would need some helpful information such as birthdates, parents' names, etc. Basically as much information as possible would help me narrow down the search. Otherwise I would have to start at the beginning of the book and it has 670 pages of info!

Still, I'm happy to search even if you only have a name. It just might take me awhile. Anyone who is interested, let me know!

Re: Greene County Ilinois Pinkertons

MJDuley — 2009-10-22 04:14:50Z

Okay, sorry everyone. Apparently I CAN'T give out any information in the Pinkerton book. It's copyrighted. I was contacted by one of the writers and told that I cannot give out any info from the book. :(

Re: Greene County Ilinois Pinkertons

MJDuley — 2009-10-22 14:56:53Z

Thank you for all of the information. This person is a cousin who I have also been personal friends with for many years, so I really don't think they are trying to "bully" me at all. Perhaps they are just unfamiliar with the law?

In any case, the book is called Pinkerton Descendants Through the Ages: Volume One: Unlocking the Past. It was "researched, compiled and transcribed by Lori L. Brandenburg and Trudi L. Nichols". As I do want to support their efforts in compiling all this information, I would encourage anyone who is interested to purchase the book.

Re: Greene County Ilinois Pinkertons

SKannarr8559 — 2009-10-18 23:27:53Z

My husband is related through Wiley Estes older brother James Madison b. 1813. This branch left IL for Iowa then Kansas so don't see them on many of charts. Do you know anything about younger brother Andrew J b.1823 who married Martha Hudson? Found them on 1850 census with 3 boys but can't find anything after that.

Re: I Will Check

SKannarr8559 — 2009-10-08 20:43:04Z

I looked for Raymond Pinkerton on 1920 census for Hazen, Prairie, AR and found one listed as 6 years old living with Fred and Alma R Rounsavall. Listed as stepson. Alma was born about 1892 in AR. Did not find a William Pinkerton in 1910. If state, AR, or birth date other than about 1890 would have missed him.

Re: Looking For All the Pinkertons related to Raymond Pinkerton and Amanda Bell Pinkerton

sexyfeli — 2009-10-08 18:38:31Z

I am R Allen and i started this thread in Oct 2000. i have jus learned that people have been linking to it. i will be checking periodically now. if anyone is still looking for pinkertons. pls write...

Re: Looking For All the Pinkertons related to Raymond Pinkerton and Amanda Bell Pinkerton

sexyfeli — 2009-10-08 18:20:36Z

Hi Willie, its been a very long time since i recieved anything from this site. so i am shocked to see that the thread i started oct. 2000 has been getting feed back all this time and i didnt kno :(

i am researching my grandfather (Raymond Pinkerton) siblings history. he had 22 brothers and sisters. his mother name was virginia rankins. pinkerton is his father last name and i have to retrieve that info from my aunt. she is his sister. her name is amanda bell pinkerton. i will be asking her tonight if her family migrated from the south becuz we r in chicago. let me kno if this helps.. i will be checking this periodically now so pls feel free to write.

Re: Prison Record of William Pinkerton

cdpink40 — 2009-10-16 01:05:46Z

I Have Williams Prison Record. What is yor connection or interest

PINKERTON Jessie S 1903-1979

t42MountOlivet — 2009-09-07 21:40:00Z

PINKERTON Jessie S 1903-1979

I photographed this gravestone in the Mount Olivet Cemetery, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 206,332 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com

If you know more about this person please reply here instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family.

PINKERTON J W 1902-1984

t42MountOlivet — 2009-09-07 21:39:47Z

PINKERTON J W 1902-1984

I photographed this gravestone in the Mount Olivet Cemetery, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 206,332 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com

If you know more about this person please reply here instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family.

Prison Record of William Pinkerton

HowFarBackNow — 2009-05-18 20:08:46Z

Hello out there, I'm trying to find any information on William Pinkerton who was born April 1862 in Ohio. According to the 1900 census, he was in the Ohio Penitentiary while his two small children were in foster care. By 1910, the three of them were reunited. I don't know what William's wife's name was- just that they were divorced. I don't know his parents names other than that his mother was born in Virginia. William's children were Charles Edward and Annie O.

my pinkerton family

v_marriott — 2009-05-15 21:15:16Z

looking for the pinkerton faMILY MOST BORN AROUND CHESHIRE AND MANCHESTER would love to hear of any one who has information on a graham pinkerton who was a company director born 1839his wifew was mary

Re: Cintha Pinkerton Cashion

margiewateland — 2009-05-12 02:56:10Z

Hi Connie,
I was wondering if you were still looking for information on Cintha Pinkerton Cashion. We were looking at a book recently that talks of the John Pinkerton family who lived in Perry County during that time. Cinthia was one of his children. Would be happy to share what we have found.
Margie

Re: William Charlie Pinkerton???

margiewateland — 2009-07-24 04:13:09Z

Shirl, Ancestry.com has his wife's name listed as Orpha Brown. He filled out a WW I draft registration in Fayette County, Alabama that states his birth date was March 31, 1881, that he was a farmer, had blue eyes, light hair, and had lung trouble. His wife's name is listed as Orpha. His name is written "Charles William Pinkerton" on the form. He did sign his name. I also found a death record of a Charley Pinkerton in March, 1925 in Fayette County, Alabama.
I didn't find Orpha Pinkerton in either the 1930 or 1920 Ccensus,but hope this is of some help.
Margie

Re: Greene County Ilinois Pinkertons

rockymullin — 2009-10-22 05:08:17Z

(Pardon the length and the ---------- marks. Apparently, Rootsweb does not believe in the concept of paragraphs.
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First of all, could you share the name and author of this book so that others of us may purchase it?
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The author is trying to bully you, and/or has a very basic misunderstanding about the nature of books, facts, and copyright.
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Information contained in a book can easily be shared between people. Sure, you can't *reproduce* the book, even in part if your reasons are not sound. So you must not just paste large swaths of text. You can, without breaking copyright, pass on any information contained in any book to any person. You can even quote information. Books are a *reference*.
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It's called "fair use" and I encourage you to read up on what it means. Here is the Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
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Furthermore, this is a book of history, containing facts. From the Fair Use Wikipedia page:
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"To prevent the private ownership of work that rightfully belongs in the public domain, facts and ideas are separate from copyright - only their particular expression or fixation merits such protection."
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Given that the contents of the book are facts, you may answer any question posed to you in any format, provided that you answer in your own words. You are also permitted to quote the book's facts, provided that you cite the book as a reference - just as I have clearly quoted and cited the Wikipedia as a reference to support my thesis. You simply may not copy a book, or publish your own book that comes to the same conclusion using the same facts in the same manner.
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Finally, not only are these facts that are part of the public domain, they are *our shared family history*. For one person, Pinkerton or not, to claim ownership of these facts about *your family* is beyond asinine.
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Don't cave in to bullies/ignoramuses who try to take your rights away from you. We Pinkertons, given our connection to the Detective Agency and its history, should know all about this kind of thing ;)
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-Rocky, of the Plainview TX/Bakersfield CA Pinkertons

Re: Pinkertons from TN.

impossible_kat — 2009-05-23 23:00:55Z

Would you happen to have a tombstone photo of John G Pinkerton and his wife Mary E Taylor?

Thanks,
impossible_kat@yahoo.com
Shirl

William Charlie Pinkerton???

impossible_kat — 2009-05-23 22:46:08Z

Was hoping someone could help me with the death date and place of William Charlie Pinkerton. He was born Mar 31, 1881 in Alabama I think. He married Opha unknown abt 1904 in Alabama. His wife and children were living in Oklahoma around Shawnee area in the 1920's. The last census I have found was in 1910: Precinct 1, Fayette, Alabama. His children were Fletcher L, Lester Paul, and Charles Pinkerton. William Charlie Pinkerton's parents were James William Pinkerton died in 1930 in Fayette, Alabama and Francis Narcisa Newman died in 1927 in Fayette, Alabama. If you can help please email me or reply.
Thanks,
Shirl
impossible_kat@yahoo.com

Re: William Charlie Pinkerton???

impossible_kat — 2009-07-24 12:41:11Z

Thanks for you help. I do have that info already. I'm just not sure if that is my William Charlie Pinkerton buried there or not. I was hoping someone would know for sure. I do thank you for your time of looking the info up for me, it was very very kind of you.

Re: Pinkertons in Missouri

MEbel18 — 2009-06-25 01:01:07Z

Sometimes it takes years to find information. My Pinkertons are related to John C. Pinkerton who had a farm in Centerview, Johnson Co. Missouri. He came from Preble County, Ohio. I do have the family in Ohio.

A.J. Pinkerton

pfields185 — 2009-05-14 16:05:34Z

Does anyone have information about A. J. Pinkertons children's names? Did he have a daughter named Isabella? I have a letter from 1872 that says this man was my great grandma's father. I would like to make sure it is the same Pinkerton.

Bravo! Bravo!

juliewallace176 — 2009-10-22 13:50:30Z

Ditto!

Thank you rockymullin!

Re: Greene County Ilinois Pinkertons

juliewallace176 — 2009-10-22 13:42:59Z

Can you give information on author, publisher, date, etc. That way we could find our own book.

By the way, with all the information I have on the pinkerton's I guess I could "copyright" everything. Thank goodness their are people in the world willing to collaborate.

Greene County Ilinois Pinkertons

juliewallace176 — 2009-10-18 17:22:00Z

My family were early settlers of Greene County, Illinois starting back as far as David Pinkerton, Wiley Estes Pinkerton, Revel Estes Pinkerton. . . . . Ernest H. Pinkerton. Is anyone related to me?

Re: pinkerton reunion

annetta127 — 2009-09-03 22:51:43Z

my great= grandfather was Thomas Pinkerton he lived south of Mt. Etna, Indiana . Yes, we are connected to the detective pinkerton fam.. and also mayor Bangs of Huntington is connected to the Pinkerton detective Pinkerton group.out of chicago.. our I did find proof of that also. My dad, Lester was born on his grandfathers birthday.. 20 march.1898 was my dads birthday... Thomas son Theodore PINKERTON WAS MY GRANDFATHER.. ANNETTA ( PINKERTON ) GROSSMAN .

Thomas Pinkerton place south of huntington, indiana

annetta127 — 2009-09-03 22:20:47Z

pinkerton reunion

vmusser76 — 2009-07-26 17:56:47Z

i have found an old picture dated 1913 on the back of this poster picture it says pinkerton reunion at uncle toms woods 1913. the picture itself was framed in a cardboard frame that has a stamp on it from the rickert studio from huntington, ind. can someone help me figure out this family if it is the real allen pinkerton?

Re: Pinkertons in Missouri

auntanna1 — 2009-10-22 13:27:39Z

I can tell you more about John C. Pinkerton's family.
Who are you interested in?

Re: Greene County Ilinois Pinkertons

auntanna1 — 2009-10-20 22:09:22Z

Oscar and Birdella are in my family of Pinkertons.
I do have Oscar's ancestor's. Not Birdella's.

Re: I Will Check

wlp49er — 2009-10-07 23:59:31Z

Can you give me any information on Raymond Pinkerton..My dad was named Raymond Pinkerton. I am his son Willie Pinkerton. We lived in Osceola, Ark. and I think my dad was born in Prairie County, Hazen, Ark. in 1913..I do not remember him having a sister named Amanda. My grandfather was William Pinkerton and his birth was in Cherokee County, Not sure of the state.

Re: Looking For All the Pinkertons related to Raymond Pinkerton and Amanda Bell Pinkerton

wlp49er — 2009-10-07 23:49:33Z

Hi, my father is Raymond Pinkerton...He was born in Hazen, Ark. in 1913. My name is Willie and I was named after my grandgather William Pinkerton. I do not recall my dad having a sister by the name of Amanda...If you need more info. please contact me.