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Native American heritage of Elizabeth "Betty" and her brother, Francis "Frank" Pledge who both married children of Thomas Poindexter and Sarah Bond Veale

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Further information about Betty Pledge Ayers daughter of Chief Donahoo

Robin Butler Daviet (View posts)
Posted: 1 Mar 2004 8:44AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Donahoo Ayers Pledge Poindexter DeLozier
After posting my message last week asking for help with the Poindexter Indian lineage on several message boards, I received a number of interesting messages. The following information was probably the most intriguing to date. I felt it was important to update the readers of this page as to what I have found. The following information is located on Ancestry's message board for Yadkin County, North Carolina.

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Chief Donohoo
Author: Nancy Edwards

Date: 5 Jun 2000 12:00 PM GMT
Surnames: DONOHOO, WENTWORTH, PLEDGE, POINDEXTER, DELOZIER, RAGLE, STANSBURY, EDWARDS, HODGES
Classification: Query
In Reply to: CHIEF DONNAHOO by: Frances Casstevens

Chief Donohoo was Chief of the Snowbird Clan, one of the 5 clans of Cherokees. He was married to Mary Elizabeth Wentworth, her brothers were trappers and beleived to have done business with the Indians. However, Chief Donohoo rescued Mary from a "not so friendly" tribe of Indians and married here thereafter. They had at least one daughter. Elizabeth "Betsy" Donohoo. She married William Pledge and had two children, Elizabeth "Betty" Pledge and Francis "Frank" Pledge. William thereafter married Ann Redford or Radford and had other children. According to Betsy Pledge her mother had two other children after William, since they were full blood cherokee it is assumed that Betty went back to the reservation where she had John Ayers and Junaluska. Junaluksa is the indian chief who went to plead with President Andrew Jackson respecting the Indian removal of 1835. That is a story in and of itself. Ok... moving on.. William and Elizabeth's daughter, Elizabeth (that's my name too Nancy Elizabeth) married a Poindexter, one of the poindexters, my gggggrandmother married a delozier, thus my ggggrandmother Mary Magdeline Delozier married John Ragle and she she had my gg grandmother, Minnie Mabel Ragle on parched corn Indian Reservation in Cherokee County. She married a Stansbury also born on parched corn Indian reservation. My grandmother Jesse Edna Stansbury born in NC but not on the reservation married Alvin Edwards, having my mother Jayne Ragle Edwards who married my father Jerry Donald Hodges. I use the name Edwards for my last name. OK.. Now bout the money. In 1906 Minnie Mabel Ragle Stansbury made an application for the government money. Initially the claims were rejected, however, the government felt that their Indian heritage had been proven and included them on the payment list. The Cherokee Nation appealed citing various reasons why they should not be given money, including the fact that they moved away, intermarried, never lived in the traditional indian ways, etc. The court of appeal cited that in order for an individual to receive a portion of the money they only had to prove their liniage, they did not have to show that they associated with the others in the Cherokee nation. The matter was then appealed by the Cherokee Nation to the Supreme Court who agreed with the court of appeals. My great grandmother Minnie Mabel did in fact receive money as a result of her application. I knew this woman personally as she was in her 90's when she died. Her husband was over 100 years when he died in 1972. Her children and grandchildren were all well aware that Minnie Mabel got "Indian Money". So... your statement that there was no money is not true. The Cherokee Nation appealed the decision not because they did not think these individuals were not Cherokee, it was because they did not endure the sufferage of those who chose not to leave the Nation, who suffered, were removed, and some died for the cause of the Nation. It had nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that the individuals were not Cherokee by blood.


Chief Donohoo
Author: Doris Lucas

Date: 28 Feb 2001 12:00 PM GMT
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Chief Donohoo by: Nancy Edwards

Nancy
Could the Indian connection come from the DeLozier connectin. If not this is extremely Valuable as none of those claiming that we have locted before were accepted. Do you have Minnie's Indian roll number?
Hope to hear from you.
DorisAnn

Re: Chief Donohoo
Author: Elizabeth Edwards

Date: 31 Aug 2003 7:20 PM GMT
Classification: Query
In Reply to: Chief Donohoo by: Doris Lucas

I am just now getting back to the message boards generally after more long serious illnesses and more multiple surgeries. I have only been checking my personal e-mail. I hope this reply gets to you. I actually have a copy of Minnie's claim and every other related family members claim. Several years ago, when I first got sick (actually about 5 years ago) I went to SLC and spent a week and $1,000.00 on copies on the claims, on copies of the oral testimony and written affidavits. The reason for the initial rejection, if you actually investigate the matter, was NOT BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT INDIAN, NOT BECAUSE THEY DID NOT PROVE THEIR INDIAN LINE. THE U.S. GOVERNMENT APPROVED THEIR CLAIM. THE CHEROKEE NATION MADE THE REJECTION. Many people have made many assumptions without having all of the facts and documentation. The Cherokee Nation did not want any of the indians who were not "removed" to share in the funds. They reasoning was that this money was for sufferage. However, you should know that Edward Delozier, Minnie's grandfather actually owned the 640 acres, paid for it, which was Parched Corn Flowers Indian Reservation. I just got that documentation last week. There were mills and houses, etc. on that property. The United States Government just came in and took that property. Therefore the decendents felt that they were entitled to part of the funds. I personally knew Minnie Mabel, my great grandmother, and she, after appeals, eventually did receive the :old settler" money as she called it. Minnie's children also verified this. She still has two children living, two of my aunts, one unfortunately has alzheimers but we are in close contact with the other all of the time, and speak with her frequently on the telephone. If you need anything else. Let me know. There was never any rejection of the fact that Elizabeth Poindexter DeLozier came from the line of Chief Donohoo. The U,S, Government and the Cherokee Nation took all of that genelogy to be fact and true. That was never the reason for the initial rejection, and not the reason for the eventual prevailing on the appeal. What won the appeal was a technicality. All that had to be proven to get some of the funds was "Indian by Blood" there was never any provision that the party had to have participated in the removal. The attorney for all of our family members, i.e. Deloziers, Poindexters, etc. was Belva Lockwood. She was the first woman attorney in the United States. Her children were grown, and she was a woman of means, a widow. She went though law school and they refused her her degree and right to practice. She petitioned U.S. Grant, President, who inquired, and forced the law school to grant her a degree she had rightfully earned. (I am in this profession as well, so that is why I found all of this so interesting, and why my research skills are honed to a sharp edge. Also, I have spent many years in a library, looking, looking..... my sister couldn't stand looking through the 384 rolls of film. Too tedious for her. I told her I was going to find the answers. She said.... well... your different look what you do for a living.... HAHA!) bACK TO THE STORY.... She then took her time and her money and traveled aournd and helped the Indians get this money from the government. She also did the appeals. I have newspapers articles written by Pleasant Poindexter who was the grandson of Elizabeth "Betty" Donohoo. He certainly knew who his grandparents were, and his testimony was found to be credible evidence. There were also affidavits offered by others tp substantiate both the Delozier Indian connection as his mother was an indian woman, Alyse Spears, dau of Alyse Fields (sister to Richard Fields, cherokee Chief- also took a comanchee of Indians down and fought with the Mexicans against the Texans at the Alamo) they were given land grands by Mexico. I have this information as well. I hope that this now explains about why the claims were initially rejected. It wasn't because the claimants did not prove they weren't Indian By Blood (by the way, the books by the same name were not thoroughly researched and contain some information which has contrary documentary evidnce so I do not use those books for anything) It was becuase the Cherokee Nation, I reiterate, not the U.S. Government, believed that they had not suffered through the removal to Oklahoma, then they should not share in the funds, which the Cherokee Nation believed what ment solely for those individuals who were removed. You can contact me at the above e-mail directly. I have sent many of the documents to people for free. I will do a free, but I cannot currently continue to copy hundreds of pages at my own expense, but will be happy to copy them for you at your expense. I have several thousand pages of documents. My copy charge at .o5 per page was about $1000.00.

I would appreciate comments, input, discussion.
Sincerely,
Robin Butler Daviet
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