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Re: Powder surname

tanyarosexoxo1 — 2008-09-22 13:19:20Z

That is SO funny! I am a Powder as well (descendant of Pierre Powder who also had Cree name but I can't remember what it is)
- but I definitely look very Metis ;/ Cree - as does my entire family for the last 4 generations that I know of. We are not light skinned at all. But I was wondering where those beauty marks on my face and my sons curly hair came from! Maybe it's those Powder genes!

Re: Powder surname

cpowders — 2008-05-26 21:13:56Z

My name is Powders, am wondering if their is a connection, My Father,my Grandfather, Had black hair, Fair skin,and red beard. Anything click? Carrol Powders

Re: Re:Dit name...

rblayone — 2007-06-07 21:46:27Z

Regarding Antoine Jr. I found him in the 1901 census as Antoine Blandion, in 1906 as Antoine Dion, and in the 1911 census as Antoine Wattisons, at least thats how the transcriber at automatedgenealogy.com has it. He is in Alberta/Edmonton/18 Townships 64/page1. Does anyone know for sure what surname the family was using in 1911 or what surname they finally settled on ?
Interesting how different branches of the family adopted different surnames. My great grandfather Joseph used Blandion until the mid 1870's then changed to Blayone.
By the way Louis Dube and his family are on the same page as Antoine in the 1911 census, they have him as Dupe.

Re: Powder surname

squamish — 2007-03-12 04:39:45Z

68 Reference: RG15 , Interior , Series D-II-8-c , Volume 1336 , Reel C-14950 , Access code: 90
File Title: Blandion, Pierre; for the heirs of his deceased father, Pierre Blandion; claim no. 392; born: 1811 along Saskatchewan; died: Sept., 1870 at Saddle Lake, N.W.T; address: St. Albert; father: Blandion Wabiska (Métis); mother: Peyesiwop (Métis); married: 1835 at Fort Pitt to Marguerite Newahtem; children living: 4; children deceased: 5; heirs: Marguerite Blandion (daughter) $40.00; Paul & Pierre Blandion (sons), $20.00; Susanne Blandion (daughter) $20.00; Augustin Blandion (son) $20.00; Louison Blandion, $20.00
Finding Aid number: 15-21

Here is a scrip record that identifies Antoine Dion Sr. as Wabiska!

Re: Re:Dit name...

squamish — 2007-03-08 15:33:15Z

Hi all....it's Jennifer...

Sorry we lost touch here. I hope you all (who requested) got the photo I sent around of Antoine Dion, in the St. Albert pictoral history!

How is everyone? Clara Awasis --- does anyone know how I may get in touch with her for info on my line? --- Antoine Sr->Antoine Jr->Adelaide Wabasca->Mary Dube->Myrtle Lenny->Ken Seib-> ME!!

Re: Re:Dit name...

2006-11-04 00:42:29Z

1 Reference: RG15 , Interior , Series D-II-8-c , Volume 1336 , Reel C-14950 , Access code: 90
File Title: Blandion, Pierre; for the heirs of his deceased father, Pierre Blandion; claim no. 392; born: 1811 along Saskatchewan; died: Sept., 1870 at Saddle Lake, N.W.T; address: St. Albert; father: Blandion Wabiska (Métis); mother: Peyesiwop (Métis); married: 1835 at Fort Pitt to Marguerite Newahtem; children living: 4; children deceased: 5; heirs: Marguerite Blandion (daughter) $40.00; Paul & Pierre Blandion (sons), $20.00; Susanne Blandion (daughter) $20.00; Augustin Blandion (son) $20.00; Louison Blandion, $20.00
Finding Aid number: 15-21

Re: Re:Dit name...

2006-11-03 23:44:53Z

The one reference to Black Powder that I've found in the Metis Script Records has him as "Blandion Wabiska".It was in a script application affidavit filed by one his grandsons.

Re: Re:Dit name...

2006-11-03 01:33:55Z

I can also supply a copy of my g-grandparent's marriage certificate verifying the Wabasca name and it's links to the Blandion's...Let me know if you need it.

Re: Re:Dit name...

2006-11-03 01:30:45Z

Hi all!

I consulted with one of my friends in Switzerland who grew up in Nice, and he said that if in Canada "dit" was used to denote a place of origin in France it was incorrectly applied. The proper terminology would be "de", which refers to "of"....So, for example, Marquis de Sade, refers to Marquis of Sade (region in France).

I vaguely remember this from my high school french as well.

In any case....here's another source. In many cases I think the english version of names would be used whenever available, as opposed to using Cree terms of references --- particularly if Wabasca was just one of a number of names given to him...

"The French surname Dion/Dionne is a diminutive version of the term 'blondion' which, in turn, is an aberration of the French word 'blondinet'(masculine) or 'blondinette'(feminine) means 'fair-haired child'. The root word of 'blondinette' is 'blond' (masculine) or 'blonde' (feminine) which means 'fair-haired' in French. [33] When this surname is found in parish records, fur trade documents, and Métis scrip affidavits, other variations of this name, such as Blondion, Blayonne, Mondion, Moignon appear. The surnames Dion or Blondion are sometimes used simultaneously with the Cree name Wabasca, which also means 'white' or 'fair'. One of the earliest references to this name is in relation to the Ojibwa chief Black Powder (a.k.a. Mukatai, or Powder), who was the leader of a small band of mixed Cree and Ojibwa, who wintered on the shores of Jackfish Lake in west-central Saskatchewan, and hunted bison on the plains in the spring and fall. Black Powder was the friend and sub-chief of Kee-a-kee-ka-sa-coo-way - "The Man Who gives the War Whoop", the most important Plains Cree Chief of the mid-nineteenth century. The son of Black Powder, Antoine Blondion, married a daughter of Joseph Desjarlais and Josephte Cardinal. He is also noteworthy because he is the brother of Mistahimusqua, better known as Big Bear."

Re: Re:Dit name...

2006-11-02 17:41:37Z

Re: Re:Powder Surname

2006-10-30 18:14:45Z

I consulted a friend of mine who speaks French and says that the literal translation would be a "nickname"...so "dit" refers to someone also being known as...

So Antoine Dion dit Wabasca, would translate to Antoine Dion also known as Wabasca.

Re: Re:Powder Surname

2006-10-30 16:08:54Z

hi, Lu Lu this is Donna, from what I understand a dit name is just another way of saying or, so Blandion dit Dion dit Wabasca means. Blandion or Dion or Wabasca. I think it might be french.

Powder, Wabasca

2006-10-30 00:37:16Z

Hi Lulu,

My great-grandparents marriage certificate has my great-great grandmother's name listed as Adelaide Wabasca. Some of her scrip records indicated Blandion. I think it just happened to be the version of the last name that she chose to use --- I think she must've identitied more with Wabasca than Blandion.

Re: Re:Powder Surname

2006-10-30 00:22:13Z

...Hi Jennifer...can you tell me if Wabasca is actually on documentation...and if so where can it be found. From what I know...dit Wabasca...was used...and the "dit" was used in reference of place of birth which was Wabasca...hmmm...now I'm really confused...lol.

Re: Re:Antoin pic...

2006-10-27 00:28:10Z

Sounds like you've been working hard Lulu! I can send along the picture to you as well if you would like to see it. It's actually from a pictoral history of St. Albert.

Re: Re:Powder Surname

2006-10-27 00:26:59Z

That's really interesting! I was told Wabasca was even named after Blackpowder....

Re: Re:Antoin pic...

2006-10-26 23:58:37Z

...eeeeek!...this is so exciting...let me know how this works out ladies...I don't believe I've seen the pic...but I have my fingers crossed here....

Re: Re:Powder Surname

2006-10-26 23:54:41Z

...oh man!...see...this is what I love about these searches...you can run into the neatest people...and if anything...even if you end up non-related...you've always found a new friend with the same enterests...good luck to you all...my email is Skychildpowder@excite.com if anyone wants to chat genealogy...

Re: Re:Powder Surname

2006-10-26 23:51:01Z

...Hi Jennifer,
From what I was told...dit Wabasca derived from the area of the first decendants birth...as you know in genealogy...nothing is real until records can be proven...I had all of the Antoin Blandion dit Wabasca info up until everything (computer/disks) were stolen. Now I'm starting all over again...10 years work...gone in a flash!...it's all good...I've srvived worse. I am taking my time this time around...only working on genealogy in between chapters of my manuscript...it's still one of my favorite hobbies...

Re: Re:Powder Surname

2006-10-26 23:43:50Z

...lol...actually...we have alot of Gladues in our line...they married in a few times...

Re: Powder surname

2006-10-26 23:41:33Z

...There are also lots in Alexis and Alexander...

Re: Re:Powder Surname

2006-10-26 21:55:22Z

Hey maybe I am related to you more than one way. My great grandparents on my grandmothers side, was a Gladu and my great grandfather (her husband) last name was a Bernard he came from down East somewhere and settlemed in Alberta. They tried to open up a reserve near Morningside Alberta in the early 1950's I beleive, (morningside is near Red Deer and Lacome) That's all I know of him. His name was Peter Bernard and my greatgrandmother was Justine Gladue or Gowan. Anyway the Gladue's say that they are descendants of Chiel Papaschase from the reserve that in South Edmonton. The Bernards all have beauty marks as well, moles as you call them on the face.

Re: Re:Powder Surname

2006-10-26 21:25:59Z

Such a small world. I made a trip to Edmonton for the first time since I was a baby this summer. On National Aboriginal Day, my sister and I ended up meeting someone who was related through marriage. It's strange how you can be related to absolutely everyone in Indian country (and some that aren't!)

My other great-great-great grandfather was Joseph Gladu, or Oskinikiw - he was the headman to Michel Calihoo's band.

My ggg grandmother died on the Michel Reserve before 1920 (I don't remember the exact date).

Re: Re:Powder Surname

2006-10-26 21:19:51Z

Oh, yes I would be interested in the picture of Antoine maybe it is my ggg grandfather. Would you be able to email it to me.

Re: Re:Powder Surname

2006-10-26 21:15:50Z

Well this is a small world. I know some of the people who are descendants of the Michel band. In fact one lives in the community where I live. There last name is Calahoo. I also know some of the others who are living near Alexander Band. My cree is not too good either. Keep in touch and we may find more relatives.

Re:Powder Surname

2006-10-26 17:12:06Z

Lulu,

That's really interesting. I grew up in a Mohawk community, so admittedly my Cree is poor, but I was told that Wabasca/Wabiscaw translates to fair in English. I located a picture of one of the Antoine Dion's if anyone is interested. My grandmother was much darker than my grandfather, and she's the one that come from this line, as well as through the Michel Band (her g-grandfather was second in command to Michel Calihoo, as well some of my cousins are direct descedants of Michel).

Re: Powder surname

2006-10-26 15:41:43Z

...The name Powder was derived from BlackPowder...gr.gr.gr.mushum was trading furs for the HBC. Now as we know....multiple wives was the norm. My gr.gr.mushum...Pierre (BigBears brother) was given the last name Powder...his first name being french...we suspect his mother was French. He was also much lighter toned as well...all of us Powder's have the "Powder" look...fair skin...light brown eyes...and a bit of curl in our hair which is dark brown to black. Alot of us also have the "Powder" beauty marks...very common and stratigically placed onto those of us who bare such a Powder resemblance...Missionaries had changed Powder to LaPoudre for some time...then again, over time Powder was brought back. My Powder line is in and around Edmonton...north up to northern Sask. Uranium city has alot of Powder's...it's a facinating line...Good Luck...

Re: Powder surname

2006-10-25 15:17:30Z

As far as I know, it only comes from there. Different family members took different parts of the name...like Antoine Sr. used Blandion/Dion/Blayonne....and his granddaughter (my gg grandmother) used Wabasca, which was part of Chief Blackpowder's name as well...Some members took Powder, some took Blondin, Blandin, Blandion, Dion, Dionne, Blayon, Blayonne..........so many of them!

Re: Powder surname

2006-10-25 15:14:36Z

That is interesting. My dad always said we had relatives in Enoch, Paul Band, and Hobbema. I am from a Meits Settlement in Alberta called Kikino, a couple of hours north of Edmonton. I know Antoine Sr. had a lot of children and alot of them were female so there is a lot of relatives all over Canada and the US that we don't even know what the last names are. Where does the name Powder come in besides BlackPowder being Antoine Sr.'s father.

Re: Powder surname

2006-10-25 01:21:59Z

My family is primarily in the Edmonton area, with some who went north, some who blended in with Enoch, some around Paul First Nation and Duffield. The family primarily ended up in three areas --- St.Albert, Mewassin, and Meanook.

I was born in BC, but currently live in Ontario. I only have names of spouses for the people I mentioned...

Re: Powder surname

2006-10-24 17:31:00Z

I can't believe how many relatives are out there from Chief Blackpowder and Antoine Sr. You are the fourth person to contact me with a different last name, and whose g g g grand parent was a brother to my gg grandfather Felix Blandion. I have yet to here from someone who uses LeBlanc or White.. Still searching though. If you have any other information I would be interested in receiving. Where are your family originating today? The majority of mine lives in BC. Alberta and Saskachewan and the family name used is Blyan.

Re: Powder surname

2006-10-24 13:54:17Z

Hi Lulu and Donna,

I am not a Powder, but am a relation. Chief Blackpowder Wabasca was my g-g-g-g-g-grandfather and Peyesiwop my g-g-g-g-g grandmother. My family decided to used Blandion/Dion/Blondin/Blandin and Wabasca for family names.

My line flows like this:

Blackpowder--->Antoine Blandion Sr. (Big Bear's half brother)----->Antoine Blandion Jr.----->Adelaide Wabasca (Dubé)---->Mary Justina Dubé (Lenny)----->Myrtle Lenny (Seib)----->Ken Seib----->Jennifer Adese (Seib).

Re: Powder surname

2006-10-21 03:53:12Z

Hi Donna...my name is Lulu...and yes...Powder was derived from BlackPowder. My mom was Mary Jane Powder, daughter of Joseph and Julia Powder. Chief BlackPowder was my gr.gr.gr.grandfather. There are some Whites here in Edmonton, Legal, Plamondon, Alexander, Alexis etc...quite simply...they are everywhere. Are you wondering if you and your husband are related?...or am I reading this wrong? No worries...in my line there are 3 and 4 generational first cousin marraiges...and not a retard in the bunch!...lol. But I guess it's all in how one defines one...lmao!...anyhoo...your in for a fun search...I juss knows it! One of my cousins...Audrey White...tied the knot with my brother...and is now my former sister in law...makes for good get together conversations I must say...good luck in your search...and remember...it's not where you come from...it's who you are...

Re: Powder surname

2006-10-19 17:58:17Z

The name that is used by our family today is Blyan. My great grandfather was William Blyan son of Felix Blandion and Ann Whitford, Antoine Blandion Sr and Marie Desjarlais are Felix's parents and Big Bear was Antoine's half brother. Black Powder was Antoines father. Is that where the name Powder came from? I am still searching for any other information on the name, I would like more informaion on LeBlanc and White. I would like to know if my husband has ties to the Blandion/Blayone name. His White family has ties to the Alexander Band near Edmonton, AB. Are some of the families still using Blayone and where are they living. The Blyan's are all in Alberta and Saskachewan.

Re: Powder surname

2006-09-14 03:16:13Z

Hi Richard...
...yes...Mukatai also had a daughter...Marie Mountain. Not sure if this is the one that was married to RockyBoy or not. I know someone was married to him...maybe a daughter of Bigbear...still researching this one. She is very hard to find...do you know a Clara Awasis?...she has tons of genealogy on most of these lines. Her brother Charlie works at the archives in Lac La Biche, AB...a real good lady to know...take care...

Re: Powder surname

2006-09-12 04:09:31Z

Cuz! I've not been in contact with her at all! I would definitely like to be as I'm sure she would have some interesting information on us! My e-mail is nokuoma@hotmail.com!

Re: Powder surname

2006-09-12 03:06:02Z

Hi Jennifer...er...Cuz!...I do have a bit on your line but I'm sure it's just a scratch. My mom was Mary Jane Powder...daughter of Joseph and Julia Powder...gr.daughter of Agustin Powder and Skychild...gr.granddaughter of Frederic Powder and Paul Powder...our line goes in a complete circle...Joseph and Julia were first cousins...eweeee...lol. Have a great time in your search...have you met Clara Awasis?...she has soooooo much on our lines...take care...hope to hear from you again. My email is...Skychildpowder@excite.com

Re: Powder surname

2006-09-12 03:04:38Z

The French surname Dion/Dionne is a diminutive version of the term 'blondion' which, in turn, is an aberration of the French word 'blondinet'(masculine) or 'blondinette'(feminine) means 'fair-haired child'. The root word of 'blondinette' is 'blond' (masculine) or 'blonde' (feminine) which means 'fair-haired' in French. [33] When this surname is found in parish records, fur trade documents, and Métis scrip affidavits, other variations of this name, such as Blondion, Blayonne, Mondion, Moignon appear. The surnames Dion or Blondion are sometimes used simultaneously with the Cree name Wabasca, which also means 'white' or 'fair'. One of the earliest references to this name is in relation to the Ojibwa chief Black Powder (a.k.a. Mukatai, or Powder), who was the leader of a small band of mixed Cree and Ojibwa, who wintered on the shores of Jackfish Lake in west-central Saskatchewan, and hunted bison on the plains in the spring and fall. Black Powder was the friend and sub-chief of Kee-a-kee-ka-sa-coo-way - "The Man Who gives the War Whoop", the most important Plains Cree Chief of the mid-nineteenth century. The son of Black Powder, Antoine Blondion, married a daughter of Joseph Desjarlais and Josephte Cardinal. He is also noteworthy because he is the brother of Mistahimusqua, better known as Big Bear.

Re: Powder surname

2006-09-12 02:59:30Z

Hi Lulu,

Antoine was/is my great-great-great-great grandfather. His son Antoine Jr. was/is my great-great-great grandfather, then Antoine Jr.'s daughter Adelaide Wabasca my great-great grandmother, and her daughter Mary Justina Dubé my great-grandmother, her daughter Myrtle Lenny my grandmother, and her son Kenneth Seib my father.

Jennifer

Re: Powder surname

2006-09-12 02:58:40Z

BlackPowder (Mukatai) Had Antoine first...Pierre Powder was born in 1820...BigBear in 1825 and a daughter Marie Mountain...I am researching her line right now. Good luck...

Re: Powder surname

2006-09-12 02:55:15Z

Thank you Richard...yes...it's actually done in pencil and I have a copy of it...but thank you for your help and it's nice to meet you. My gr.gr.grandfather was Pierre Powder...Antoine and Bigbears brother...happy hunting folks...take care...

Re: Powder surname

2006-09-12 00:18:07Z

Aside from the variations that are fairly obvious, such as Blondin, Blandin, the various Dion spellings, etc., I only know of names that came further down the line. I know that my great-grandmother's family went by Wabasca, sometimes Wabisca, Wabiscaw, which if you aren't already aware, means "fair" or "pale" in Cree, much Blondion, Blandion, etc.

Re: Powder surname

2006-09-11 21:53:18Z

Third cousins twice removed I think.
Do you know of any other lines that originated with Black Powder? There is Big Bear and his decendents, the Blandion/Dion/Blayonne line, Powder, I would assume Lapoudre. Any others?

Re: Powder surname

2006-09-10 01:53:01Z

Hi Richard,

I did happen to see that portrait online. Antoine Sr. is my great-great-great-great grandfather. His son, Antoine Jr. is my ggg grandfather, his daughter Adelaide Wabasca my gg grandmother, her daughter Mary Justina Dubé my great grandmother, and her daughter Myrtle Lenny-Seib is my grandmother.

Looks like we're distant relatives!

Re: Powder surname

2006-09-09 17:51:34Z

Just in case anyone is unaware of it, Paul Kane painted Black Powder's portrait at Fort Pitt in 1847. Its in the Royal Ontario Museum.
Antoine Blandion Sr. was my great-great grandfather.

Re: Powder surname

2006-08-10 17:05:41Z

Hi there,

I have a bit of information on my family's link to Chief Blackpowder Wabasca/Wabiska. His son, Antoine Blandion Wabasca Sr. was my great-great-great-great grandfather. Antoine's half brother, son of Blackpowder, was Big Bear.

Re: Powder surname, Alberta, CAN

2005-05-05 04:56:26Z

Hi Christine...drop me a line at
skychildpowder@excite.com
Take Care

Re: Powder surname, Alberta, CAN

2005-05-05 04:51:16Z

I am/was a Powder here in Alberta... my maiden name was Powder. If you have any info, please email me. I began to research years ago, but stalled for awhile.......now back at it.

Powder surname, Alberta, CAN

vjmurray — 2005-04-05 17:23:37Z

Are you researching the Powders from Alberta, Canada.
If so, please email me as I too am searching to complete a family tree for my daughter.

Re: Powder surname

powwen — 2005-04-05 17:22:58Z

Hello,
I too am researching Powder. I was not aware of a 'blackpowder' or chief 'bigbear' link. Very interesting. Are you still communicating on this research?