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Rall family - Genesee County Michigan

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Re: Rall family - Genesee County Michigan

Posted: 30 Sep 2012 12:58PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Rall, Roll, Rull, Delamater, Waldron, Kniffen
The Rall family has been a tough one to sort out to say the least. I’ve been digging into it for some time trying to sort out one Benjamin Rull (Rall/Roll/Rull, etc) who was from Bedford, Westchester Co., New York and came to Nova Scotia by 1785. I think the Monroe Co., NY and Genesee Co. Michigan families were closely related and that Benjamin may have moved back to Monroe Co, NY and left descendants there or in Michigan. The key points are noted below but I have additional information.
It’s noted that county boundaries/names changed in the early 1800’s between Monroe, Ontario, and Genesee Counties of New York, Monroe Co is used in most references below for simplicity.
John Rull/Roll (b. 7 Apr 1734 Bedford, NY) married Pheobe Kniffen (b. 1735 Bedford NY) and had issue (all abt 1750-1765): John, Mangle, Benjamin, James, Gatry, Pheobe, Mary, Annas, and Ochre. The Roll family was Dutch and the Kniffen’s were English. This family grouping comes from the source below and makes sense given the usual naming patterns.
Pioneer life on the Bay of Quinte, 1904 (available at archive.org), p 2:...In 1779 William [Ketcheson] married Mary, daughter of John Rull, a Loyalist, of New York City. She was born in Bedford, New York, 1761, and in her family were four brothers, Benjamin, John, James and Mangle ; and five sisters, Annas, Deborah, Phoebe, Gatrey and Orche. ...

Benjamin was presumably named after his maternal grandfather and is the earliest Benjamin Rull to be found in the New York Records. This English name was uncommon among the Dutch in NY. His sister Pheobe also had an uncommon name among the Dutch. These names later repeat among the Rull family both in Nova Scotia and in Monroe Co. NY. Presumably most if not all would be among the descendants of John Rull and Pheobe Kniffen. The other key marker name is Mangle, also unusual except in this line, is found in Monroe as well.

Benjamin Rull, b abt 1760, rec’d land grant in 1786 in Jeddore, Nova Scotia and in his application claimed to have lost his residence in White Plains in 1778. He left Westchester County and lived in the Out Ward of New York when he married Catherine Delamater (probably d/Samuel & Catalina Waldron) in 1782 in New York City. The Delamater and Rull families later show up in Parma, Monroe Co.
Benjamin and Catherine had a daughter Phebe baptised in the Dutch reformed Church in New York in on 27 May 1784.
Benjamin and Catherine also had a son Benjamin born about 1790 who married Margaret Henderson in 1818 in Halifax, Nova Scotia. They had a daughter named Phebe in 1822.

The Elizabeth Rull who married Nathanial Dann in 1807 in Rush, Monroe was apparently born in 1791 in Nova Scotia and may have been a child of Benjamin and Catherine but there is no solid evidence I’ve found.

The death, burial, and probate records in Nova Scotia for that period are relatively complete and have been fully indexed across dozens of sources yet there are no records of either Catherine or Benjamin’s deaths. They also do not show up in the 1792 census in Nova Scotia or in other records.
However, in the 1810 Ontario Co. NY Census the following appears:
DANN, Nathaniel – husband of Elizabeth Rull
DELAMATER, Abraham - possibly related to Benjamin's wife Catherine Delamater
RULL, Benjamin - possibly Benjamin Sr but age (<45) is a bit too young; this could also be a nephew of Benjamin Sr.

Later census and land records I’ve found provide a few more clues but nothing concrete.

Hopefully this sheds some light on potential connections for those researching Monroe Co. Rall/Rull/Roll family. Perhaps someone who has dug into the Parma branch in more detail has come across a death or land record that will help tie everything together. Any clues that might help trace Benjamin Rull would of course be greatly appreciated.
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rosssb 30 Sep 2012 6:58PM GMT 
patbrown62 11 Oct 2013 12:19PM GMT 
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