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The fraudulent Coligny-Rapalje descent

paperdragonwings — 2009-06-26 01:17:54Z

Apparently, a particular fabrication of the ancestry of Joris Jansen Rapalje (of Valenciennes, later Brooklyn, New York) has been perpetuated. Here's the URL to the PDF file (viewable in Adobe Acrobat Reader):

www.genlit.org/agr/include/getdoc.php?id=37&article=10&a...

The author makes a strong case. The -father- of so-called "Gaspard Colet de Rapalje" actually said his son Gaspard died at the age of 14-15.

Here are a couple of websites which perpetuate the notion:
- http://theojanssen.ca/database/n1258.html
- http://nortvoods.net/rapleeeurope.html
note: this website references a book which references the fabricated genealogical book... however, there is still some useful information on the site (and cute sketches of the family coat of arms).

Nice thing is, the second website also disputes some proposed lineage connections:
- http://nortvoods.net/raparlier.htm

This is a friendly reminder to always *check sources* and their dates! =)

Re: Rapalje Loyalists

meanmoon05 — 2008-04-28 02:44:16Z

Hi..I am a direct descendant of the DeRapalje family from 1604 and before. Try checking out Catalyne Tricaud and her husband Joris deRapelje. They were married in Holland in the 1620's before coming to New Amsterdam. (NY) If you do an internet search, you should see info on them since their daughter was the first European white settler born on Long Island. (Brooklyn)

Re: Rapalje Loyalists

mikemorr — 2007-09-25 02:24:12Z

I don't have much to offer, but I am interested in the parents and children of George Rapalje and Elizabeth Vandervoort. I know they were married on 04 Oct 1746 at the Flatbush Dutch Reformed Church. Her parents are thought to have been Jan/John Vandervoort and Magdalena Huysman, but I have not been able to confirm that.

Do you have information on his parents or their children?

Thanks.

Mike Morrissey

Re: Aeltje Rapalje

carol1ut4se91u7crbg8t270ug1sa2314f — 2007-08-01 23:17:13Z

to my knowledge all or a whopping most US Fulkersons originated from Dirck Volkertzsen of Bergen, Norway and yes, many ended up in Missouri. do you have any information on Aeltje Rapalje?

Sara Rapalje was the first white baby born in New Amersterdam (NYC) and married Tunis Gybertse Bogaert, possibly from Norway. They are the 7th or 8th great grandparents of Humphrey Bogart....

Re: Aeltje Rapalje

toodielee — 2007-06-10 15:52:47Z

Are these the Fulkerson's that remove to Mo?They marry Quisenberrys?My line descends thru Rapalje,Ryerson,Reading,
Williams,Sneed,Brockman.We only connect thru marriage.I have Lola Hunter Powell DAC material w/Fulkerson info.Also, Fulkerson's relatives in Mobile Al.Curious abt them in MO.

Re: Garret & Helena De Nyse Rapalje & children, ca. 1768

winspeare — 2007-02-11 17:06:59Z

Martha, Anne or Ann Rapalje, sister of your George and
dau of Garret and Helena, married (as his second wife) my
5th great grandfather, Jacob Wilkins, I believe in NYC
sometime in the 1790s, but I am having a hard time getting
firm data (although I have plenty on her father and back).
Jacob died in 1809, and Anne seems to have married a Charles
Smyth or Smith in 1810. There are references in the news-
papers to estate matters and someone named Augustus Wilkins
who is in New Orleans ca 1810. Cannot tell whether he is
Anne's child or a son of the first marriage. I have done
a lot of research on Jacob and Anne's son, States Wilkins,
a grocer on 125th St in NYC for most of 19th c, and his
descendants in Yonkers and California--if anyone is
interested.

Joris Rapalje & Gaspard Coligne/Colet de Rapalje

2006-10-10 19:34:58Z

There's a recently published article entitled "The fraudulent Coligny-Rapalje descent". In it John Blythe Dobson shows the errors in the discredited (yet persistent) idea that the immigrant to New Netherland, Joris Jansen Rapalje, was a descendent of a "Gaspard Coligne/Colet de Rapalje".

It is in vol. 2, number 1 of the Annals of Genealogical Research. The article is available at
http://www.genlit.org/agr/viewarticle.php?id=10

Re: Garret & Helena De Nyse Rapalje & children, ca. 1768

2006-09-25 02:12:44Z

So glad you got the photo, and thanks for letting me know where it is available. You should plan to go on the tours of the antebellum houses in Natchez. They hold them annually and they are GREAT! We went a couple of times several years ago. The history of Natchez itself is quite interesting. Joyce

Re: Garret & Helena De Nyse Rapalje & children, ca. 1768

2006-09-23 19:19:43Z

Thank you for your reply. I did get a copy of it from a university library. The picture is also online at the New York Historical Society's website. It is featured in their published book, "Group Dynamics: Family Portraits and Scenes of Everyday Life at the New-York Historical Society".
Thanks for bringing this portrait to general attention. I probably never would have found it otherwise.
George Rapalje, one of the siblings pictured, was described by J.F.H. Claiborne in "Mississippi as a Province, Territory and State" (1880), as "an opulent planter, near Ellis' Cliffs, who had been an officer in the Royal Provincials, and emigrated to West Florida..."
He was an associate of a group of Loyalist planters around Natchez during the time of the Natchez Rebellion in 1781.

Re: Garret & Helena De Nyse Rapalje & children, ca. 1768

2006-09-23 16:37:30Z

Hi, Martha,

I no longer have a copy of this article. Please contact the other man listed under this name--I sent it to him. Or you could try Antiques Magazine--I think they are online. Also, many libraries keep copies of the magazine almost forever. Sorry I can't help. Joyce

Re: Rapalje Loyalists

mcone_1 — 2006-09-05 11:10:41Z

I am researching George Rapalje (b. ?) who participated in the Natchez rebellion in 1781. Footnote in Mississippi history book states he was associated with the Livingstons and DeLancys of New York. He was a British loyalist (states that he was a refugee from New York). Is he related to your George Rapalje? We got Rapalje as a middle name from our ancestor's friendship with George.

Re: Garret & Helena De Nyse Rapalje & children, ca. 1768

2006-09-05 10:18:55Z

I hope it's not too late to get a copy of this. I am researching the Rapaljes of Mississippi.

Aeltje Rapalje

2006-07-27 23:45:00Z

I am trying to find some details on my great-great-great-great-great-grandmother. She married Joseph Volkerts (b. 1708) and gave birth to my great-great-great-great-grandfather Phillip Fulkerson born 1733.

Rapalje/Roberson

MarciaMcCrary94 — 2005-04-08 15:53:48Z

I am searching for information about my 2nd great grandparents, Charles W. Roberson (1805-?) and Catherine Rappleye/Rapalje (1806NY-abt 1907). They were in Genesee Co NY for the 1840 census, and the birth of their daughter, Sarah E. Roberson, who married Francis Elliott Woodbury Bennett. Another child, William W. Roberson, married the sister of Francis - Caroline Trask Bennett. These four all were in Michigan.
I also have additional Roberson children for Catherine and Charles of Annie (married Arthur Hartman), Elmer, Julia, Elizabeth, and Nancy.
Charles W. Roberson also had a sister, Eliza, who married William Wooley. I know there were lots of Rapalje in the area, but have not been able to tie Catharine to any of them. Suggestions?

Mrs. Harriet A. RAPALJE d. 2 June 1912 - Kansas City, MO

JohnWOBrien — 2004-01-31 04:45:24Z

"The Kansas City Times" (Missouri) Monday, June 3, 1912

DEATHS IN KANSAS CITY.

Mrs. Harriet A. RAPALJE, 87 years old, died
yesterday afternoon at the home of her daughter,
Mrs. William W. JACOBS, 3746 Harrison Street.
She was the widow of the late Dr. A. B. RAPALJE
of Rochester, N. Y.

======================================================
(I have no connection with this family but I'd appreciate
knowing if you found this posting helpful.)
johnobrien@kc.rr.com
======================================================

neirbo4

Julia Rapalje, Newtown NY, m. Chas Buckley

2003-10-14 19:34:20Z

Hello!! I am researching an ancestor of mine, Michael BUCKLEY....after writing to NYC Municipal Archives for the birth certificate of Michael BUCKLEY, I received a copy in the mail of a Birth Return from Oct 14, 1879 (which is a good sign since he was born in 1879 and I was quite sure in mid-October, though I wasn't certain of the exact date) On the birth return Michael's (I'm still certain this is MY ancestor) parents were listed as Charles H. BUCKLEY and Julia RAPALJE of Newtown. Charles would have been born about 1843, and Julia about 1841.

I was just wondering if anyone had any info about this pair that may help me link my ancestor to them. Also, out of curiosity, where does the name RAPALJE originate....and was the Long Island family Loyalists??

Thanks a Lot for the help!!
Gail :)

Rapalje Pears

2003-08-12 17:56:07Z

Does anyone know the background on Rapalje pears?
Seedling (Unable to copy picture over - see website listed)
Pear

Rapalje Seedling Pear
"By J. & G. Prestele, Amana, Iowa County, Iowa"

Watercolor(?); 34 x 27.8 cm.

From an unbound office copy, Mount Hope Nursery (Ellwanger & Barry), Rochester, New York

Courtesy of Rare Books and Special Collections, Rush Rhees Library, University of Rochester.

Original plate (1.2 MB)

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| The Flower City |

http://www.history.rochester.edu/flowercity/rapalje.htm

Rapalje - Coligny

2003-08-04 11:37:49Z

Hello,

is there any evidence, that the famous Gaspard Coligny had a bastard son named Gaspard colet de Rapalje?Who knows something about that.
I have a lot of information about the Rappalier in Europe(Germany, Mutterstadt)

Re: Garret & Helena De Nyse Rapalje & children, ca. 1768

2003-06-05 13:27:16Z

Thanks...received it. Wonderful. Wife is tickled..will contct you later

Re: Long Island NY Rapalje

2003-06-05 13:15:13Z

Doing family hstory for wife..I know of a Rapalye or rapalje who was tied , naked to a rail and runout f town during the time you are talking about. Wife is from your area an has blood lines going back to John Lequier Rapelye who would be her grX# grandparent I believe. If yo have any info on the John peopke from the Rapalje (or other spellings) I would be pleased to receive data...I will lookup what Info I have on your question....OK?

Re: Garret & Helena De Nyse Rapalje & children, ca. 1768

2003-05-29 12:24:13Z

Just ce across your message. I am researchingmy wife's family. I would appreciate a copyof the article and photo. She has mentioned it before in discussion with her mother..Rest assured any an all costs wil bemet, andthank you for y our trust and help.

Bill

Long Island NY Rapalje

2003-03-07 16:16:13Z

Does anyone have any info on a John Rapalje and a Mary/Maria Van Dyke married around 1742 in NY State? Looking for the names of their children. And was he one of the Rapaljes that lost their lands due to the fact they were Loyalists?

Rapalje Loyalists

2002-06-17 17:59:09Z

Seking information on George Rapelje (born June 14, 1724) and Elizabeth Vandevoort who emigrated to Annapolis, Nova Scotia after the Revolutionary War.

Rapalje Walker marraige

2001-04-24 12:00:00Z

Marriage documentation, approx. 1830's, of Edward Walker and Maria/Mary Jores Rapalye (b.1811. Their son is Edward H. Walker (1839-1913) m. Emma Garrison (1837-1902. All NY.
Thanks

Garret & Helena De Nyse Rapalje & children, ca. 1768

Joycekincaids — 2003-05-01 03:39:30Z

I have a short article and photo of a painting of the children from the March 1947 Antiques magazine. The article says the children are Garret, b. 1757, George, b. 1759, Anne, b. 1762, and Jaques, b. 1752. Not my line; article is all I know. If anyone would like a copy of this information, email me your address and I will mail it to you for postage reimbursement, 60 cts., after you receive article.