Shepler - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: Philip S. Shepler/Shipler in Ross County Ohio

gsmock1 — 2009-11-01 18:00:06Z

Some years ago I corresponded with Bob Shumaker about the Sheplers. He stated Peter Shepler (bro of Mathias & Philip) and his family moved across the Mon (Monongahela) river to the Peters Creek area in Washington Co. I wonder if your reference to Philip S. Shepler having twelve children came from the 1810 census. If so, Philip was listed next to Samuel Baxter in that census.

From my research it is almost a certainty my Isabelle and Elizabeth "Betsy" Shepler were the daughters of Philip the son of Mathias Shepler who married Mary Baxter. I don't have any parents for Mary and have wondered if the Samuel Baxter in the 1810 census might have been related. The Sheplers have been at times hard to follow as the same names were given to children down thru the generations. Isabelle and Elizabeth married Abraham and Henry Smock and both families had a son named Philip.

Any idea where the middle initial of S. came from for your Philip? Thanks

Re: Catherine Shepler born c. 1761 Berks County, m. Potteiger

ellondon1 — 2009-08-07 12:44:29Z

Thanks Jim. I sent an email to the last address I had for you if you don't get it please email me so I can update my records. Dawn

Re: Catherine Shepler born c. 1761 Berks County, m. Potteiger

J_Ensinger — 2009-08-06 16:17:24Z

The baptisms of Catharina's brothers, Johann Georg, born February 15, 1759, and Wilhelm, born November 10, 1761, were recorded at Christ (Little Tulpehocken) Church in what is now Jefferson Township. If we assume that Catharina was born during the 33 month interval between her brothers' births, she was probably born about June or July 1760. The Little Tulpehocken church records do not show any baptisms between March 1760 and October 1760, so it is possible that Catharina's baptism was not recorded in the register. (Baptisms were often performed at homes, and the pastor made notes which he later recorded in the church register.) It is also possible that Catharina's baptism should have been recorded at another church, but none of the church records held by the Historical Society of Berks County contain this record.

Catherine Shepler born c. 1761 Berks County, m. Potteiger

ellondon1 — 2009-08-04 03:11:41Z

Has anyone seen a baptismal record for Catherine??

Roal Eugene Shepler, b:1898

BWinne9675 — 2009-05-03 17:28:30Z

Seeking any information on Roal Eugene Shepler (born 1898) and wife Mildred (born 1913). Had two sons, Roal and Richard, who spent time in an orphanage in their youth. (my wife is a descendant). Also, would appreciate any information on Richard...thanks!

Matthias Shepler b.1790 d.1863

gsmock1 — 2009-02-15 18:13:46Z

In a post by Elaine Morris on 15 Mar 1999 to the GenForum message board. She gives a Congressional bio of Matthias Shepler of Stark Co., Ohio. Matthias was born on 11 Nov 1790 in Westrmoreland Co., PA. At the end of the post a note stated Matthias was a likely son of Abraham Shepler.

In checking the Children of Mathias Shepler and wife Margaret Houseman Shepler, their son Abraham was born in 1779 which makes him too young to be this Matthias Shepler's father.
Mathias Shepler's brother Philip did not have a son Abraham listed in his will and I do not have a complete list of Peter Shepler's children.

If this Matthias Shepler was the grandson of Mathias in Rostraver Twp., Westmoreland Co., PA, then he more than likely was a son of Mathias's son John. I am hoping to hear from anyone who can identify Matthias Shepler's father and mother. Thanks

SHEPLER David Jonathan 1997

t42Moore — 2008-11-10 19:19:41Z

SHEPLER David Jonathan 1997

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Re: Philip S. Shepler/Shipler in Ross County Ohio

DeAndreaF — 2008-08-11 21:47:54Z

I'm sorry but the only information I have is from a 1820-1830 census that listed Philip in Ross Co. I do not know anything else. Thank you for your imput.

Re: Philip S. Shepler/Shipler in Ross County Ohio

1934ford — 2008-08-10 02:06:05Z

I have a JWH (John William Harris) Shipler who was born in Ohio in 1849. His obit says he was born in Cleveland, but I have no supporting info and I know he never talked about his family to my Grandfather. He wrote for a newspaper in Chicago and then, in about 1880, became a photographer in western NY.

Tradition says his mothers name was Mary.

Does this info make any connections?

Re: Harmon Shepler born 1805 PA died between 1870-1880 Pike Co. MO

marwal43 — 2008-08-09 19:37:20Z

I have to correct some errors.
Permelia B. Shepler 30 Nov. 1831-1 July 1918 m. Jacob J. Heider 29 March 1851 Bk 7p165 Fayette Co. IN (Jacob 1815-1903) They had the following children:
Mary Heider 1852 m. Robertson
Permelia Heider 1855
Cynthia A. Heider 1856-1936 m. Lewis A. Riggs
Sophie Heider 1858-1869
Lucinda Alice Heider 1859-1936
Andrew Jefferson Heider 1861-1934
J. Joseph Heider 1865

Also Sally 1836 is Sarah Ann Shepler who married Andrew Campbell 1854 in FAyette Co. IN. Apparently they had one adopted son Charles Williams 1865.

There was a daughter, Eliza Jane Shepler born 1825 who married Jeremiah Sutton 1844 Fayette Co. IN and they had Amos Sutton 1845 who married Caroline Phillips 1868 IL
Harmon Sutton 1847 who married Emily Helnick IL and died in Iowa.
Mary Jane Sutton 1848

Also John Shepler 1828 is probably Harmon's child. He married Harriet Huber 1849 Fayette Co. and they had:
Jacob 1850 Living with the Huber Family in 1860 and 1870.
John Harmon 1853 who lived with the Huber family 1860 and is married to Phoebe Fortner in IL and lived in Wilson KS.

Correcting incorrect information. Any help would be appreciated.

Margie marwal43@yahoo.com

Re: Samuel Shepler, born 1795,son of Phillip, grandson of Mathias

gsmock1 — 2008-07-17 01:23:32Z

Regarding my previous post - Samuel Shepler b. 1795 d. 1875 I have learned married Mary Davis at some point. I believe their oldest son was Davis Shepler and a known daughter Lucinda who married David Porter Houseman. I am still looking for a possible son Samuel. Any information no matter how seemingly slight might be of great help. Thanks

Philip S. Shepler/Shipler in Ross County Ohio

Potoscar — 2008-05-27 02:26:24Z

I am searching Philip S and Esther Shepler/Shipler who is believe to have lived in Ross County Ohio information from the 1830 census. The census reports I have found listed them with 12 children. I know of only Isabelle, Sarah and Samuel. Any information on the Shepler/Shipler family would be appreciated.

Samuel Shepler, born 1795,son of Phillip, grandson of Mathias

gsmock1 — 2008-05-03 17:46:30Z

Samuel Shepler b. 1795 d. 1875 I believe is a brother of my gg grandmother Elizabeth Shepler and her sisters Isabell/Isabelle and Catherine. Samuel seems to be listed in the 1850 census in Rostraver Twp., Westmoreland Co., PA as Samuel Shepler (Sen) age 49 (?) Farmer and born in MD (?) with wife Mary age 45 and son Philip age 18.
In the 1860 census, Samuel is shown as age 62, Farmer, born PA. Wife Mary age 61 also born PA. Children Phillip age 24, Sarah 20(Phillip's wife?)born in Ohio, Mary Belle age 2 and James W. age 11/12. The 1870 census has Samuel Shepler age 73, Farmer, wife Mary 72, Philip age 30 (son?) works on Farm. No wife Sarah is listed for Philip. His children are James age 11, Samuel age 9, George age 7, Eliza (Elizabeth?) age 5 and Frank age 3.
If you are connected to this family or have any information regarding them, I would like to compare notes. Did Samuel have a son Samuel Jr. ??? or was Philip his only son. ???
Thanks, Gene Smock

Charles H Shepler

shadowlass1 — 2008-02-02 13:33:36Z

Is there anyone who can help me find out more about Charles
born in California in 1876/77? I believe he might be the son of my great grandmother Jane Elizabeth Coates/Brabant.
I have found him on the 1881 & 1891 UK Census living with his grandmother Annie Coates and also on the 1901 UK census
living with Jane Elizabeth Brabant (his mother) and Annie(grandmother). I also found his Draft Registration listing
his next of kin as Jane Elizabeth Brabant.
I think this is the same Charles who is listed on the 1920/1930 American Census married to a Helen Childs and think he died in December 1953.
Does anyone know if Jane Elizabeth married a Shepler either in the UK or USA?

Re: John D. Shepler

DERFSON3 — 2007-11-30 17:14:12Z

THANKS JONNE BUT THAT JOHN D. SHEPLER IS MY ANCESTER. I AM LOOKING FOR INFO ON THE SAME JOHN D. SHEPLER WHO MARRIED CAROLINE AS ARE YOU.

Re: John D. Shepler

JonneShepler — 2007-11-30 01:13:15Z

Don't know if it's John D., but there's the 1850 Census Pennsylvania, showing John, age 16, son of Thomas 45 and Mary 40, with siblings Catharine 14, James 12, Peter 6 Henry 4, Washington 3 and Henry H. 1, with all individuals born in Pennsylvania.

John D. b 1833 is my ancestor, so if anyone can provide me with any info I would surely appreciate it.

Jonne

Re: John D. Shepler

JonneShepler — 2007-11-01 01:19:53Z

Shirley,

I am also the Great-Great Grandaughter of John D. Shepler, he was born in 1833 in Pittsburgh, Caroline died 4/21/1899. She was John D.'s second wife. They were married 7/17/1856, and resided in Logan County at the time. I'm trying to get information as to how to obtain a copy of their respective birth certificates. Will let you know what I find out.

Just to give you a perspective here, John D. had my Great-Grandfather, John Clifford on 5/25/1870, he was born in Kansas. John Clifford then married Helen Anna Rezinovich, somehow the name Josephine figures into the picture, and they had my Grandfather, John Clifford on 8/21/1906, he was born in Sacramento, CA. He then married my Grandmother, Marie Beth Meyer Shepler, they had my Father, John Clifford, Jr., as it states on his Birth Certificate, on 11/27/1931, in Los Angeles County, California. As it turns out, my Father was raised by his maternal Grandparents, Mary and Henry Meyer. My Mother, Carolyn Marie Haefliger had my older sister, Jeanne, on 6/1/1952, then me on 6/30/1953, my brother, Michael, was born 8/30/1955, and my younger sister, Jody, was born 9/23/1956.

Please let me know if this fits into your information, and I will keep you informed of any and all info I learn.

Thanks,

Jonne Shepler

Re: John D. Shepler

JonneShepler — 2007-11-01 00:47:29Z

Virginia,

Please contact me, I received an e from Fred Shepler, he says you have all kinds of information on our family, that your Father, Richard, kept notes on index cards. Looks like we really are cousins, does that make us Great-Cousins?

My e-mail address is ocelotjonne@sbcglobal.net.

Hope to hear from you soon.

Re: Mathias Shepler 1740-1823 and Margaret Houseman 1754-1869

DOVIDL — 2007-08-31 12:30:01Z

Gene,

Here is where I lose you. You state that you know a daughter "Sarah," but her stone says "Isabell." ("Her name first became known to me as Sarah. I have since found her name to be Isabell Sarah, and Isabell is on the stone at the Fells Cemetery.") Have you any documentary proof that her name was Isabell Sarah? Are you certain that this--should I say it again, unusual double name for this time and place--is not the conflation of two separate individuals? Even taking into consideration German naming practices, I don't think I've ever seen a non-German name like Isabell combined with another name as a German name. In other words, you might convince me if the combination were two German names (or a German name and a Biblical name)--such as Barbara Catharina or Johanna Catharina. But I would suggest that by the time that German families starting naming daughters a non-Germanic Isabell they had also dropped the naming convention of the old country.

It sounds like I am beating a dead horse, but until I know of some documentary evidence or evidence from strong family tradition--rather than some genealogical speculation--on the face of it I would infer that Sarah and Isabell were two separate individuals.

David

Re: Mary Shepler Eckstein - Frederick Co., VA, Westmoreland Co., PA

DOVIDL — 2007-08-09 19:19:57Z

Dave,

I appreciate what you say about German names, where there is often a "first" name of Johann (usually) for a male and a "first" name of "Maria" for a female (usually), while the second name is really the name the person went by (e.g., Johann Heinrich Schmidt was generally known as Heinrich Schmidt; Maria Barbara Mueller was generally known as Barbara Mueller (rather than our contemporary way of doing it, which would be Johann H. Schmidt and Maria B. Mueller). Having worked extensively with German 16th, 17th, and 18th century German records (primarily from Frankfurt am Main in Hessen and Traben-Trarbach in the Rheinland), I am quite aware of this convention.

However, I was really remarking on a more general phenomenon by which contemporary researchers insist on giving persons a middle name or initial--not on the basis of a baptismal record, or a marriage record, or a family Bible entry, or even family tradition, but simply on the basis that "they must have had one" and thereby retrojecting a contemporary notion back to a former time.

I believe the only actual baptismal record for one of the family under discussion, i.e., the Sheplers, in the earliest days, dating from about 1788, if memory serves me, as a matter of fact, had only a single name. (I think it could have been for Matthäus Schäbler, or for Isaac Sohn des Matthäus Schäbler; I will have to fish out my records.) It could be that practice had changed on the frontier, or an itinerant preacher was less apt to keep a full register than one with an established church. The register I saw give an abbreviated entry and did not include information on the sponsors or godparents like the other German registers I have worked with. I am inclined to believe that the German naming convention in the old country had lost its coherence by the second or third generation on the frontier; it no doubt persisted longer in early German settlements like Berks County, Pennsylvania.

So--would Henry son of Peter Shepler have had three names? Maybe, but if so, the name was much more likely Johann Heinrich Schäbler, not Henry P. Shcpler. And please, genealogists reading this, don't start quoting this a gospel! So far I have seen no evidence of what the German name of Henry Shepler (i.e., the one of Washington County) was--not a church record, not a signature (in German) on a document. And we need to stick to what the documentary evidence tells us.

David

Re: Mary Shepler Eckstein - Frederick Co., VA, Westmoreland Co., PA

DOVIDL — 2007-08-09 15:43:44Z

Gene,

I think you might have missed the point I was trying to make: people just didn't have middle names (and hence middle initials) in those days. I knew which Henry Shepler you meant. The point I was trying to make is that he was probably never known in his day as Henry P. Shepler. In our age--which regards names that don't include middle names as curious--someone thought to make it easier in their internal record-keeping to keep the various Henry Sheplers separate by inserting a "P" (to indicate his father) in his name, but somehow that private convention got public and now legions of genealogists are reciting his name as Henry P. Shepler. Never was! His name was Henry Shepler. In all my work in the Washington County records, he is never called Henry P. Shepler--just plain old Henry Shepler.

I'd sooner genealogists adopt the practice of qualifying a name using parentheses, if there is need of clarification, such as Henry Shepler (son of Peter), rather than introducing superfluous "middle names" where they don't belong. This business is confusing and tricky enough without such nonsense to muddy the waters even more.

David

Re: Mary Shepler Eckstein - Frederick Co., VA, Westmoreland Co., PA

DOVIDL — 2007-08-09 14:44:38Z

Gene,

OK, I'll rise to the bait! Who is Henry P. Shepler (born 1760s)? Middle names were essentially unknown at this time. Is this someone's notation for "son of Peter" that has now become canonical?

David

George W. Shepler

MMuse89101 — 2007-10-31 18:11:41Z

Am looking for information on George W SHEPLER b.1832 and d between 1854 and 1860. When I look at the 1850 census i find a George in Berks Co. PA. I am not sure this is my George as parents and siblings are all in Dauphin Co. Any help greatly appreciated.

PETER AND MARY SHEPLER

DERFSON3 — 2007-08-20 21:30:21Z

1850 CENSUS-DIST 16, POLK TWP., JASPER CO., IOWA, THOMAS ENGLISH 27 M FARMER OH., MARY (SHEPLER) 21 F OH., MARY 2 F OH. JAMES 1 OH., PETER SHEPLER 74 M FARMER N.J., MARY 56 F N.J., -IN FILE BINDER

Re: Mary Shepler Eckstein - Frederick Co., VA, Westmoreland Co., PA

DERFSON3 — 2007-08-20 21:14:52Z

JOHN SHEPLER D.1799 THE FATHER IS ON PAGE 120 OF 1790 CENSUS IN ROSTRAVER TWP., WESTMORELAND CO.,PA. WHILE THE OTHER JOHN SHEPLER IS IS IN FAYETTE CO. PA. ON THE 1790 CENSUS.

SHEPLERS., PA

DERFSON3 — 2007-08-20 20:54:36Z

HI DAVID

DAWN DEANERS BROTHER AND I DID A DNA OF 12 POINTS AND WE CAME PERFECT ON ALL 12. JUST THOUGHT I WOULD MENTION THIS TO YOU.

FRED SHEPLER

Re: Laura Shepler

DERFSON3 — 2007-08-20 18:27:40Z

I HAVE SOME INFO FOR YOU.

FRED SHEPLER PA.
DERFSON@MSN.COM

Re: Mary Shepler Eckstein - Frederick Co., VA, Westmoreland Co., PA

J_Ensinger — 2007-08-10 18:37:59Z

David,

I agree with your comments regarding the creation of fictitious middle names. However, in this instance, I would suggest that whoever invented the "P" meant it to stand for Payne and not Peter. The use of the mother's maiden name as a middle name developed in the early part of the nineteenth century and is an anachronism in the case of this particular Henry. Nevertheles, some amateur genealogists use this method as a convenient way to distinguish between individuals with the same name such as fathers and sons or uncles or nephews or even unrelated individuals, all of whose names never contained that middle name when they were alive.

This Henry was probably baptized as Johann Henrich or Johann Heinrich, depending on where his family was from. However, I have seen baptismal records in which the Johann was not used or was perhaps omitted from the official record, so he could have been simply Henrich. And, by the way, some names such as Isaac and Abraham were never preceded by Johann.

Finally, there are exceptions to the generally used naming conventions of the eighteenth century. Justina Catarina Krafft, who married another Henry Shepler, was sometimes known by Justina and sometimes by Catarina. For men, "first" names other than Johann sometimes carried equal weight with the "middle" name so that a George Henry might be found as George and sometimes as Henry.

Jim Ensinger

Re: Peter Shepler 1742-1820/23 and Mary Hammond m. 1760 VA

IdaMadison — 2007-08-18 20:30:18Z

Gene,

Thanks so much for the offer. My e-mail is idamadison@aol.com

Ida

Re: John D. Shepler

JonneShepler — 2007-10-26 02:14:23Z

Virginia,

Trying to get in touch with you, e me at ocelotjonne@sbcglobal.net.

Jonne Shepler

Re: John D. Shepler

JonneShepler — 2007-10-26 02:09:31Z

Virginia,

I tried to e you, message wouldn't go through, got one of those daemon/mailer responses.

E me at ocelotjonne@sbcglobal.net.

I think our Fathers' respective Fathers were probably Brothers, what do you think?

Jonne Shepler

shepler's in california

JonneShepler — 2007-10-18 16:38:26Z

Have no information on my Grandfathers', John Shepler, family except he was married to Josephine, she was born in Austria, her maiden is supposed to be Kapitanovich, she died in Alameda County, California in 1973. Don't know of any siblings, can anyone help on this?

Thanks,

Jonne Shepler

Re: John D. Shepler

JonneShepler — 2007-10-16 04:35:07Z

I was named after my father, John Clifford Shepler, my mother is Carolyn Marie Haefliger-Shepler. John was the son of Marie Beth Meyer-Shepler and John Shepler, I believe he, his father, was born in Kansas, but information on him has been hard to come by. He died in San Diego, CA. in 1968, my father died in 1988.

Re: John D. Shepler

JonneShepler — 2007-10-04 00:21:59Z

Is Richard my Father John Clifford Sheplers' Uncle. My Father was born November 27, 1932. He told my Mother Carolyn Marie Haefliger that he was going to name "the next one Johnny," no matter what it was, I have an older sister named Jeanne, younger than me brother Michael and younger sister Jody. I don't have any info on my Fathers' side except that his Grandmother was named Josephine and died in Oakland, CA in the '60's, as did his Father who died in San Diego, CA at the same time, or shortly thereafter. Perhaps we can help each other with some info, or, perhaps we may even be related!

Jonne Shepler

Re: Mathias Shepler 1740-1823 and Margaret Houseman 1754-1869

gsmock1 — 2007-09-01 13:40:22Z

Margie.

Yes, I know. Several people have said this or that couldn't be or didn't happen. I made a mistake by listening to one of them and it caused me to make a bad mistake, one which has now been copied by others. So now I don't listen to the neysayers and if the only evidence is from a secondary source, so be it. Interesting Philip Shepler, son of Peter would have a daughter Sarah and possibly her middle name was Isabelle the same as Philip Shepler son of Mathias. Regardless whether their names were Sarah Isabelle/Isabell or Isabelle Sarah, we are talking about the same person.
Philip is sometimes spelled with two L's as In Philip Smock who was a farmer in Rostraver Twp., Westmoreland Co. Bio and census records have one L, on his stone at the BV cemetery there are two.
I hope the controversy on the parents of my Elizabeth and her sister Isabell (Fells cemetery) Sarah (name from other researchers) has now been finally settled. I am back to parents being Philip (son of Mathias) and Mary Baxter. If anyone disagrees, they darned well better have baptismal records to prove different. At least you have the will document for James which may not be the usual naming pattern
for "quote" German families, but he never the less existed!
Thanks for your patience and help.....Gene

Re: Peter Shepler 1742-1820/23 and Mary Hammond m. 1760 VA

gsmock1 — 2007-08-18 20:02:55Z

There is no internet posting of the Shepler graves at Fells that I know of. A distant cousin of mine did a survey of Fells in 2002. I can send you what he sent me if you would like. What is your email address? Gene

Re: Mary Shepler Eckstein - Additional Information

gsmock1 — 2007-08-16 13:41:55Z

Andy,
If it can be proven Jane Shipler/Shepler Corwin's full name was Agnes Jane or Jane Agnes, then a match can be found for the John Corwin and wife Agnes in Rostraver Twp. Westmoreland Co., PA who had a daughter Jane and sons Thomas, Willian, Peter, and James Morris mostly known by his middle name Morris. I think this would be of great interest to Corwin researchers.

Re: Mary Shepler Eckstein - Frederick Co., VA, Westmoreland Co., PA

gsmock1 — 2007-08-09 14:21:17Z

David,

If your reasoning is correct about Peter Shepler born abt 1742 and his grandson Peter, that still leaves in question the older Peter's son Peter who like Henry P. Shepler would have been born in the 1760's and who would have been the Father of Elizabeth, her sister Sarah Isabelle and her brother John, including a few unknown children if any.
Due to skimpy records and bios containing mis-information, I will keep Peter Shepler and Mary Payne as the parents of my gg grandmother Elizabeth shepler until proof of who Peter the son of the first Peter married and then I will change what I have found thus far.

Gene

Re: Mary Shepler Eckstein - Frederick Co., VA, Westmoreland Co., PA

gsmock1 — 2007-08-09 15:34:07Z

Henry P. Shepler was a son of Peter shepler and Mary hammond according to records I have seen. I believe he has been well documented as born 05 Apr 1769. Supposedly according to Fred Shepler he moved across the Monongahela river from Westmoreland Co. to Washington Co. with other members of Peter Sheplers family. Peter brother of Mathias and Philip that is.

Re: Mary Shepler Eckstein - Frederick Co., VA, Westmoreland Co., PA

gsmock1 — 2007-08-09 19:10:06Z

Thank you Dave! I think it is safe to say the Pennsylvania Dutch were of German extraction. I have seen two bios which said the Smocks were of German descent which is not the case, they were of Dutch descent from Holland, the first immigrant Hendrick Matthyse or Matthysen Smock/Smak to New Utrech?, New Amstersdam, now New York City in 1654. Associated Dutch families to the Smocks have been Coerten, Bodyn or Bodine, VanMeteren later Vanmeter,VanMatre, VanMetre and finally VanMeter. I have found your comments very educational....Gene

Re: Mathias Shepler 1740-1823 and Margaret Houseman 1754-1869

gsmock1 — 2007-08-29 14:31:24Z

Margie,
Do you have any parents for Mary Baxter the wife of Philip Shepler...... Thanks, Gene

Re: Mathias Shepler 1740-1823 and Margaret Houseman 1754-1869

gsmock1 — 2007-08-30 21:21:24Z

Margie,
I started with Samuel Smock's biography stating Elizabeth Shepler, Henry Smocks' wife was the daughter of Philip Shepler and Mary Baxter and Philip's father was "Mott" Mathias Shepler. That was countered a few years ago making Peter Shepler brother of Mathias as the father of Henry Smock's wife Elizabeth Shepler. Mathias's brother Peter did have a daughter Elizabeth b. abt. 1775 who was too old to be Henry's wife Elizabeth. Also Elizabeth's sister Isabell Sarah married Henry's brother Abraham Smock. Her name first became knoen to me as Sarah. I have since found her name to be Isabell Sarah, and Isabell is on the stone at the Fells Cemetery.
After all the fooling around trying to find which Peter Shepler was the father of Elizabeth and Isabell Sarah. I am now back to their parents as Philip Shepler and Mary Baxter. Samuel Smock's bio was correct to start with. Please forget any thing I have previously written about a Peter Shepler being Elizabeth and Isabell's father. As they say, "It just ain't so!"
Last week Fred Shepler sent me the census for Philip in 1810,1820 and I think 1830 being in Mifflin Twp. Allegheny Co., PA The only thing I can think of would be Philip would have moved there from Westmoreland Co. or Fayette Co. some time after Elizabeth and Isabell were born or around 1800 to 1810. If I find anything more on Mary Baxter, will be sure to let you know.
Best Wishes.........Gene

Re: Mathias Shepler 1740-1823 and Margaret Houseman 1754-1869

gsmock1 — 2007-08-31 13:35:35Z

I do not think what I say or what you say will matter except to our selves. others who read our posts and study the genealogial records will make up their own minds.
Gene

Re: George W. Shepler

ellondon — 2007-10-31 22:36:59Z

Hi,
5. George W. SHEPLER, b. 29 Apr 1832 DAR ap. d. 3 Oct 1860, m. Sarah Grant, b. 1 Apr
1821 in Delaware, d. 4 Sep 1883, buried Charles Evans Cem. (I found a record in St. Peters Methodist church in Reading of a George W. Shepler baptized as an adult on 27 Mar 1875, would have been 15 yrs after this George W. Shepler’s death??)
I found this transcription last year in the Mary O. Steinmetz collection at the Historical Society of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia. It was submitted by Hattie Shepler.
Baptismal certificate: To these parents: Henry Shepler and his wife Catherine (born) Hollinger is born a son on the 20th day of April the year of our Lord 1832. This son is born in Rapho Township in Lancaster County in North America and was baptized the 15th day of July 1832 being named George Shepler.
Baptized by C. S. Schafner
Witnessed by the parents

Henry Shepler was the son of Michael Shepler and Elizabeth Erb Shepler, my 3rd gr. grandfather. I have more on the family and would like to share info directly if possible. Email: ellondon@aol.com
Dawn Shepler Deaner
PS Michael Shepler moved to Dauphin County shortly before he died and both sons Henry and his brother Samuel (my 2nd gr. grandfather) lived in Dauphin Co.

Re: John D. Shepler

glhyndman_1 — 2007-10-26 00:28:04Z

HiJonnie, My father is Richard Shepler and he is John Clifford's brother. I think we have the same family. I would be glad to share info. with you. I have alot. Greg is my son, but my email is vms@Hillsboro.net. I look forward to talking with you. Your cousin Virginia.

Re: Mathias Shepler 1740-1823 and Margaret Houseman 1754-1869

marwal43 — 2007-09-01 05:27:52Z

Dear Gene,

The daughter of Philip (1770) and Esther was Isabelle b. 1795 who married Noah Miller (b.1792) and they named another daughter, Sarah b. 15 April 1796 m. Nathan Riggs. Noah Miller and Isabelle also had a daughter named Isabelle b. 1830. It would be interesting to find if these Isabelle's had a middle name of Sarah and if daughter, Sarah had the middle name of Isabelle. Philip 1770 was the son of Peter and Mary Hammond.

Several people have said that Philip 1740-1829 could not have had a son named James because James was not a "family" name and not a German name but when I got a copy of his will there is no doubt my ancester was named, James Shepler.

Margie

Re: Mathias Shepler 1740-1823 and Margaret Houseman 1754-1869

marwal43 — 2007-08-30 20:32:13Z

Hi Gene,

I searched and the only information I noted was that Henry Baxter and Ohio so I'm not sure of the source of that note and I have a note that brother, Samuel Baxter lived 1810 Washington Co. PA near the Philip Shepler that married Esther unknown (son of Peter and Mary Hammond). I had some leads but in the end I don't have any solid information of Philip and Mary Baxter.

Let me know please if you find any information on this line. I am still trying to get your information sorted with what I have....just when I think I am getting it sorted it is time to do another errand or chore.

Margie

Re: Mary Shepler Eckstein - Frederick Co., VA, Westmoreland Co., PA

gallienus — 2007-08-10 22:57:40Z

Dear Jim,

Thanks for educating me about the fact that Isaac and Abraham were never preceded by Johann in the conventional German naming system. I went back through all my German male names from Frankfurt am Main and Traben-Trarbach, and sure enough, not a Johann Isaac or Johann Abraham! (Why is this so, since the combination Johann Jacob is common?--and Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are all names of patriarchs.) And this fact may be relevant on that early Shepler baptismal record I mentioned in another message in this thread: "Isaac gebohr. 9 Martz 1783. Eltern: Mathius Schäpler [und] Margaretha dessen Ehefrau. (Records of Rev. John Wm. Weber, Greensburg, Westmoreland County, 1776-1819, in Historical Society of Pennsylvania Library, We 1 R:1.) (For those who might read this message that do not know German: "Isaac, born 9 March 1783, parents: Mathius Schäpler and Margaretha his wife." Just the single name Isaac.

But I have to say that it is all well and good if amateur genealogists use the method of anachronistically using a middle initial to distinguish between individuals with the same name--but for goodness sake, they should keep it in their INTERNAL files--and not propagate it. It only tends to confuse. In this case, using Henry P. Shepler to designate Henry Shepler, son of Peter Shepler, who settled along Maple Creek in Washington County, Pa. on the assumption that his mother's maiden name was Payne just seems to me flat wrong and misleading to others. The Payne who married a Shepler was Mary Payne and it seems to me that she married Peter Shepler, son of John Shepler (who settled in Jefferson Township, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania), son of Peter Shepler--i.e., the nephew of Henry Shepler, the miller, who settled on Maple Creek. The maiden name of Henry Shepler's mother appears variously as Alexander, Hammond, or Payne--and it's only Mary Payne where I've seen any documentation--and then she got attached to the wrong Peter Shepler.

David

Re: Mary Shepler Eckstein - Frederick Co., VA, Westmoreland Co., PA

citadeldac1 — 2007-08-09 18:32:56Z

I have enjoyed the back and forth discussions as divergent critical analyses makes all of us look at our "facts" with a critical eye. I decided to jump in due to the statement, "people just didn't have middle names (and hence middle initials) in those days." That is simply not the case for our German ancestors in 18th century PA and in fact would cause incorrect conclusions by those researching 18th century German ancestors. The 18th century naming convention norm for PA Germans was the first name being the spiritual name and the second name the secular name which was the name the person was known by both within the family and to everyone else. This distinction is important as a researcher looking at a baptismal record for say, John Peter Shepler, might assume that this person's name was John Shepler when in fact that person would be Peter Shepler in the community, local records and census records. There is a lot of research on the web that addresses 18th century German naming conventions. I recommend a look at http://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm as it is comprehensive, an easy read, and deals specifically with Pennsylvania 18th century German naming traditions. Not understanding the naming traditions of our 18th century German ancestors in PA has no doubt resulted in incorrect conclusions by some researchers, and I dare say some would view those conclusions as "nonsense" :-)

Dave

Re: Mary Shepler Eckstein - Additional Information

AndyLikins — 2007-08-14 22:51:58Z

Just this week I received some information from the Case Western Reserve University Archives which I think will stir up some more discussion on this board. First, let me give a little background. A few weeks back (at the beginning of this thread) I put forth the possibility that my g-g-g-g-g grandmother, Mary Shepler/Shipler Eckstein (wife of Leonard Eckstein/Extine) might be a sister of Peter, Matthias and Philip Shepler of Westmoreland Co., PA. I’ve been putting quite a bit of time into researching the family of Leonard and Mary. One of their great grandsons, Leonard Case, Jr., was the founder of Case School of Applied Science in Cleveland, Ohio, which later became a part of Case Western Reserve University. I recently requested copies of the information they have on the Eckstein family in their archives. One of the items I received was a typed genealogy titled, “The Eckstein Family, Original home in Bavaria, with a branch in London. Married into the SHEPLER and CASE FAMILIES in Winchester, Virginia and Westmoreland County, Penn.” Unfortunately, the author of this manuscript is not known for certain as it was not written anywhere on it. (I doubled checked with the archivist to make sure.) The archivist wrote that, “The documents about the Eckstein family came from Eckstein Case's personal papers. To the best of our knowledge, the Case family history compilations were done by Eckstein Case, but most have no explicit attribution.” Eckstein Case (1858-1944) was the son of Zophar Case (1804-1884), son of Magdalene Eckstein Case (1761-1832), daughter of Leonard Eckstein (1731-1799)

Before I go any further, I want to say that I am not saying that the information in this manuscript is the gospel truth, but this information does appear to be the tradition of this family and I wouldn’t be surprised if most it were correct. However, in other parts of this document, I have noticed some small problems with incorrect names or dates that are a few years off of what I know is correct. I’m attaching the page which contains the basic information on Leonard Eckstein’s family. On this page, it mentions that near Winchester, Virginia, “a German family befriended [Leonard]; in the family, named Shipler, were three sons and two daughters: Peter, Matthias, Philip, Margaret, and Jane In 1760 he married Margaret and stayed in Virginia until the Revolution broke out.”

About Leonard’s wife’s name… in a 1776 advertisement in the Virginia Gazette where Leonard says he is not responsible for her debts, her name is given as Mary Eckstine. In the record of their divorce in 1784, she is referred to a Mary Shipler. In all family records (including the attached on) she is referred to as Margaret. From all of the family letters, there is never an indication that Leonard was married more than once so my guess is that she was Mary Margaret (with the German naming system we’ve been learning about).

Another note is given on the attached page. “Jane Shipler married John Corwin, whose sister Sally married Zophar Cairnes, a brother of Elizabeth, wife of Butler Case.” Pheeewww! Butler Case was the father of Meshach Case who married Magdalene Eckstein, daughter of Leonard. Follow that?

Another item I received was a copy of a letter from Nancy Eckstein Hise of Russellville, KY to her sister Catherine Eckstein Reeves of Fayette Co., PA (both daughters of Mary Margaret Shepler Eckstein – I don’t say daughters of Leonard because he claimed in his will that they weren’t his). It was written on 10 Sep 1815 and Nancy writes, “I want you to remember me to evry enquiring friend particularly to Uncle Phillip Shepler and family…”

So, that is something more to add to the Shepler research. But like I say, I would consider the relationship of the Shepler siblings mentioned to be family tradition. It may very well be true, but we need some proof from primary sources before we can say for sure. Perhaps finding more about Jane Shepler Corwin could help.

Andy