Spencer - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Thomas and Verda Spencer

silentwolfchild — 2009-11-11 02:29:07Z

Hello! I have news article clippings from a trunk of my grandmother's. I'm a trying to figure out how the people in the articles are related to me. My grandmother was Mary Alice Mullenhour and her mother was Lulu Spencer. The articles say the following:

"Bailiff John Boyer of Judge H.N. Routzohn's probate court office, had to act as interpreter Thursday when Magistrate John Coons married Thomas E. Spencer, 46, 1732 East Fifth street, and Miss Verda Walked, 33, 1325 East Third street, deaf and dumb mutes. Boyer understood the signs and he conveyed the magistrate's words satisfactorily to the afflicted lovers. Spencer is employed at the Davis Sewing Machine company."

There is a date written on the bottom "April 26 1917". I am just trying to figure out if Thomas was Lulu's brother or uncle?

Please let me know if you have any information that could help me.

Thanks!

SPENCER Vera Ella 1891-1980

t42RoseHill — 2009-11-10 12:46:23Z

SPENCER Vera Ella 1891-1980

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Spencer family

tjmevans — 2009-11-08 20:02:00Z

I have just begun to trace my great-grandmother (Tessie Goodall)'s family, I know her mother was Frances Ellen Spencer and thanks to some great people who I can't seem to contact (wrong email addresses)I have found more information...

-Frances (1 of 8 children) was d/o John Samuel Spencer & Elizabeth Jennings (The Jennings line has been very well documented - Thank you Shepherd family!!!)

-John Samuel Spencer (1843-1933)was the s/o Jesse C Spencer (1821-1906) & ?Alla/Alley Shepherd/Shappard (no know relation to the Jennings Family Shepherds) At this point also the is a long standing family question about Jesse's wife being Native American Indian???

-Jesse C Spencer was the s/o John M Spencer (1773-1837) & Mary Polly Comer (1785-1852)

I believe John M Spencer's father was also John but can't seem to find this out for sure.

I would be grateful of any help in confirming this and finding out about siblings of Jesse or John M.

Re: NOTE: Contact OFF LIST- not on this Board. Four Spencer Brothers article by Donald Jacobus

drwyman — 2009-11-08 02:22:40Z

I would love to see a copy of this article. My wife is descended from Michael to John and down the list. Thank you

Jon Wyman

Albert Dewis Spencer, William Henry Spencer and John Spencer of Stockingford, Nuneaton, Warwickshire

robinmowday — 2009-11-07 16:47:17Z

Information relating to the above who were bakers, grocers and wine merchants in the Stockingford area of Nuneaton from 1890 - 1940 would be appreciated.

William Spencer 1845 - 1902

robinmowday — 2009-11-07 16:17:15Z

Information relating to Wm Spencer, born Ansley, Warwickshire, who was a baker and lived in Sibson, Leicestershire in 1871 - 1902. He married Harriett Carter in 1866 who came from Hertfordshire.

Keeling Spencer Jun. 1840 - 1906

robinmowday — 2009-11-07 16:07:10Z

Information relating to Keeling Spencer who was a baker in Coventry from 1891 - 1906 would be much appreciated.

John Spencer, Chilvers Coton, Warwickshire 1835-1910

robinmowday — 2009-11-07 15:28:30Z

Any information relating to John Spencer who was a baker in The Bull Ring, Chilvers Coton between 1860-1910 would be much appreciated.

SPENCER Dennis Ward 1942-2002

t42RoseHill — 2009-11-07 13:30:02Z

SPENCER Dennis Ward 1942-2002

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Re: SPENCER

saca3 — 2009-11-07 07:25:23Z

i am the great granddaughter of willim myfrey spencer and sarah (sallie) elizabeth bunch. i can get to james, her father, but on wm mifrey i can go no further. if you have info about him, i would dearly love to see it

sallie spencer

Re: Spencer and Holt Mill

morrisind — 2009-11-06 04:04:28Z

Many thanks Marie,
I sure do appreciate your looking this up for me, especially going that extra mile to locate me now the thread has been changed.

Will look at the info you sent me tomorrow.

Kind regards

Mike
Mike Morris
Toronto Canada

Re: Spencer and Holt Mill

williamball1 — 2009-11-05 23:30:14Z

hello Mike, It's taken me some time to find this as the Spencers have separated from the Broadley messages. Holt Mill is an actual place, an area, as you will see if you look at the censuses. It is also an old grain mill which had a miller. But if you look at the great harwood site you will see there were cotton mills nearby later. John and Jane Spencer had a daughter Ellen in 1777, gps are godparents, so her godparents were the 2 persons named after that, James Spencer and Alice Wilson, then John and Jane Spencer had a daughter Mary Ann in 1778 and her godparents are named next. The information about James being the miller is from the Returns of papists 1767. It gives people's occupations, bye Marie

SPENCER Louise E and Fred C

t42RoseHill — 2009-11-05 19:05:30Z

SPENCER Louise E and Fred C

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Re: German and Elizabeth A. Spencer

donspencerinkc — 2009-11-05 18:50:17Z

I believe I have some limited info on German/Jerman Spencer. Please let me know if you are still searching.

Re: RE: Jesse C. Spencer

tjmevans — 2009-11-04 18:08:38Z

Thank you so much for all the information about Jesse - My Great Grandmother was Tessie Goodall (who lived in Idaho then Oregon) d/o Frances Spencer (and Will Goodall), John Samuel Spencer's daughter.
I have just started looking for family links so and would love to learn more about Jesse's wife - Nancy (Alley?)and where she was from?

Thanks you

Re: Info needed, Elmer E. Spencer, lawyer and judge 1890s-1920

lbcmermaid — 2009-11-04 12:20:33Z

I believe that he is my ancestor.
Married Ella? They adopted Son- Edward Elmer Spencer who Married Virginia Hamilton, they had a son Edward Earl Spencer who married Mildred Hurd. They had four children Diane Sue Spencer 1949 Edward Earl Spencer II 1952? Nancy Lou Spencer and Eric Spencer. Nancy is my Mother. Please let me know if this helps.

Jennifer

Re: Abel Spencer 1825 NY

RHORTON420 — 2009-11-03 18:02:05Z

According to my info;

Abel Spencer had a son Henry Montford Spencer born 1859;
Henry Montford Spencer had a son Charles Montford Spencer;
Charles Montford Spencer had a son Phillip Montford Spencer
born in 1930;
Phillip Montford Spencer had a daughter Charline;

I might have more info if you give me your grandfathers birth and/or death dates.

Rick Horton

SPENCER Martha L 1876 1963 married 16 Jul 1893

t42PilotGrove_GraysonCoTX — 2009-11-03 12:18:54Z

SPENCER Martha L 1876 1963 married 16 Jul 1893

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Re: caleb c. spencer / Epaphrus Kibby

robertaevelyn — 2009-10-27 03:40:18Z

He is probably named for an uncle who did not live long either. Epaphrus Kibby b.1810 d. 1839. This Epaphrus was a graduate of West Point. He was a brother to Lavina and she must have liked the named and named her first son Epaphrus who only lived about one year.
Do you have any data on Caleb C. Spencer?

Re: Princess Diana's ancestry

EmanOn7 — 2009-10-20 09:48:04Z

IF my memory serves me correctly, I believe her ancestors where involved in The War of the Roses....

SPENCER DELIA I 1908 1973

t42PilotGrove_GraysonCoTX — 2009-10-22 15:37:59Z

SPENCER DELIA I 1908 1973

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SPENCER George W 1866 1933 married 16 Jul 1893

t42PilotGrove_GraysonCoTX — 2009-10-27 10:58:39Z

SPENCER George W 1866 1933 married 16 Jul 1893

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SPENCER Mandy A 1898 1973

t42PilotGrove_GraysonCoTX — 2009-10-24 18:21:31Z

SPENCER Mandy A 1898 1973

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Robert Dwight Spencer ~ obit look up please

2mobucks — 2009-10-30 00:54:19Z

I don't have a birth date or death date for Robert Dwight Spencer. I know he did pass away before May 2005, according to an obituary for his daughter, Amy (Spencer) Ellis who passed away 25 May 2005 in Muskingum County, OH.

He was married to Joanna (Myers) and had the following children:

Robert E. Spencer, he passed away in 1978 at 21 yrs. old
Amy Ellis, as mentioned, she passed away May 2005.
Virginia Cain aka "Petey" or "Pete"

Robert remarried unknown and had the following children according to Robert E.'s 1978 obit, they were living in Zanesville,OH;
Pam, Sue, Tom, and Steve.

Robert also went by Dwight as I have found in both of his children's obits.

Thank You,
Katreana West
Windsor, MO

Re: Can't find birth cert for John&./Henry Spencer

michaelheffernan50 — 2009-10-22 21:45:25Z

Hi Sheena,
great to see your reply, only just seen it today.
I hope to draw up a tree this weekend and hopefully then we can send each other our links

Be in touch soon
Helen

p.s. sorry didint mean to confuse you on my name but was using my husbands account :)

Re: Laura SPENCER Cobb (c.1800 - 1858/Ohio)

mollyShoaf359 — 2009-10-23 23:35:01Z

Wayne,
Matthew J. Spencer was my g-g-grandfather, I know of 2 brothers, Eliphaz & Aaron.
Matthew m Abigail Rice, Eliphas m 3 Ts, Patience Wetmore, Susanna Rice & Unkown, Aaron m abt 1803 NY Lucy Rice. Abigail, Lucy & Susanna were sisters.
Aaron, d 1827, Lucy b abt 1784 Windham VT, D 1837, both d in Clark Co., OH. their children were Albert Gallatin, Laura, Augustus, Darwin Ephraim, Sophronia.
Laura m John S. Cobb. I have some additional info on Laura's children if you would like it, or perhaps you have info for me?
Molly Spencer Shoaf

Re: Hiram Spencer

debbsdiva71 — 2009-10-29 22:27:18Z

My granda was Hiram spencer of Southampton hampshire U.K

Re: Abel Spencer 1825 NY

Mspencer607 — 2009-11-02 06:25:00Z

Do not know if you are still using this site but I am the grand son of Montford Spencer, my name is Monty. I did not get to meet a lot of my family and I am still intrested in knowing where I came from. I knwo my great grandmother NANA, came over from germany. Thank you for any information.

Re: ELLEN SUSAN b.25 OCT 1862,MIDDLESEX,ENG

dizzydot21 — 2009-10-26 03:47:35Z

Hi Jillian
So much for reading your response on time. I am so sorry, but I was never notified. I suppose I was just to keep checking in. Well, that was only almost 6 years ago.
Thank you for posting with your information. It's very iteresting.When i sort out my data I may have to get in touch with you again.

Thank you again

Shannon

SPENCER

morrisind — 2009-10-27 00:00:19Z

Hi there,
many thanks for the information you provided re my Spencers and the Papist records. You found them in Great Harwood, Rishton, Clayton le Moors and Dunkenhalgh area of Lancashire.

From what you gave I was able to locate some of them by doing an IGI search. This gave me either a wedding or birth information. I could not locate anything about the Papist records :(( Or a Richard Spencer being the son of James B1732 and Mary SPENCER B1727.
The IGI records a John Spencer marrying a Jane JUNE the 10th of June 1776 in Great Harwood IGI Batch number A455155
Also based on info you gave me it appears James and his family arrived in Rishton around 1760. Prior to that John Spencer their son was born in Billington around 1751.
I wish I knew more about the Mill. Perhaps the family had a mill in the Billington area?

My thanks and best wishes.
Mike Morris
Toornto Canada

Spencer and Holt Mill

morrisind — 2009-10-22 18:19:44Z

I am typing up the information you all have been so generous in sending me. This brought a few questions to mind. The name Holt Mill , was this the name of a place or an actual Mill? Was the Mill a grain Mill or a cotton Mill? and where did the information come from that tied my James Spencer B1732 as the Miller ?

Some of the writing confused me as to who belonged to who. Such as------- John and Jane Spencer had Ellen 20 mar 1777 gps James Spencer Alice Wilson, Mary Ann 13 oct 1778 gps James Duxbury Mary Spencer, Jane 27 apr 1781 gps Richard and Ann Spencer.
I dont know how to read this to be able to pull it apart. These families appear to be grouped together, I cannot figure out who belongs to who :((. Please can you help me sort them out?

All my best and most of all my thanks for such an interesting lead.

Mike :))
Mike Morris
Toronto Canada

Re: SPENCER

morrisind — 2009-10-28 01:36:46Z

Hi Barbara,
James Spencer in the Papist records was a Miller, If I am not mistaken, he did not own a Mill, to my mind a Mill is a factory where they might produce cotton. A Miller would be using something like a Water Mill or Wind Mill make flour.
However, I would appreciate anything that you might come across relating to the Spencer name. My GGG grandfather Richard Spencer was a Millwright, I assumed he learnt his trade in Lancashire. Millwrights were used in the cotton mills. They were very skilled and experienced in the manufacturing of machines
I worked with one of these tradesmen many years ago. This chap would cut a keyway in a large steel shaft, using nothing but a hammer and chisel and a file to polish the slot. He showed me how they use to move heavy steel boilers through a factory before there was such a thing as a moving crane or a fork lift. There were years of experience flowing through this chap. A great tradesman to be assigned to.
A short story, he told me about a foot injury he had as a young man. This was when Lancashire had its 'Wakes' week vacations and most cotton mills closed for the summer vacations. He went like most people did to Blackpool and like most cotton workers he was an early riser. So he went for a walk along the beach, spied a tin can and kicked it. The can was placed over a protruding wooden post and it broke his toe. It meant he would lose his holiday if he went to have it seen to. Remember the whole town would be closed for the vacation. So he goes to a local chemist and an hardware place. Picks up some plaster of Paris. an procedes to set his toe. Except it never set in its original position. All those years went by with the toe stuck out on an odd angle. The man was one of the original hard cases. When I knew him he was still working at eighty years of age. But what a wonderful wealth of knowledge he passed on to me. He even showed me how to repair a cast iron gear wheel when I broke over eight teeth on it from a very large heavy machine. It finished up better than the original casting and no one was any the wiser.

All my best
Mike
Toronto Canada

Re: SPENCER

morrisind — 2009-10-28 00:00:59Z

Hi Barbara,
my ancestor Richard Spencer was born around 1758 Of Dunkenhalgh, Lancashire. But this might only mean he came from that area not that he was born there.
His occupation was as a Millwright. To my mind this would be a person who maintained the machines and had the knowledge to rebuild machines. His sons seemed to be in the Calico trade in Derbyshire and my feeling is that Richard had knowledge of the Calico industry because that was being attended to in the Lancashire area he moved around in and possibly why he moved to the New Mills area of Derbyshire somewhere around 1804 or later. They also had the Calico industry set up in that area.

Based on what I have read in the past mails re our little bit of Lancashire. It would appear a lot of tradesmen moved from the Clayton le Moors area into New Mills,Derbyshire.

All my best
Mike Morris
Toronto Canda

Re: Omar Spencer/Elizabeth Bezner

breck630_1 — 2009-10-20 22:47:42Z

Wow! thank you for replying, Elizabeth's father jesse is my great great grandfather, Is your great grandfather's name jesse also?

BROADLEY of Blackburn

bbeinhocker — 2009-10-22 12:34:41Z

Marie, do you think that Holt Mill has any relationship to Robert Holt, brother-in-law to John and Thomas Broadley and family.He appears to be more articulate and certainly handling finances for John. As I transcribe the Broadley letters Names of mills and factories in Clayton le Moors and Enfield, Rochdale and Accrington keep popping up as well as return addresses from some of these places. As mills and factories close and lay off workers it is sounding more like history repeating itself. I have gone on web sites for all of these places but most are tourist information and not much in the way of history. I will see if any of the Spencer family names are in any of the letters. They are difficult to read Regards, Barbara

Re: SPENCER

bbeinhocker — 2009-10-28 17:04:46Z

Hello marie,

You may have given me the answer to a puzzle. Hugh emigrated about 1850 (I don't have the date in fron of me) I wondered why he cut his apprenticeship so short if he was secure in his contract. He was only 20 at the time. He certainly learned the art and applied it.

Thank you, Barbara

Re: SPENCER

bbeinhocker — 2009-10-27 20:35:22Z

Hi Mike,
I received messages from you and Marie today and all were deleted with a reddish colored banner across the page I have had this problem before and called Ancestry.They said it had nothing to do with them and to request that the message be resent.The second time around worked, minus some email addresses Marie was sending. Don't know if this is any help. A bit of a mystery.

Question: You mentioned that one of your ancestors was a steel engraver as was mine, I found and old receipt dated October 11, 1841 from "George Farnswell, James Farnwell, Henry Farnsell and Hugh Catlow all of the town of Enfield within the Township of Clayton-le-moors.JohnBroadley block printer-engravers to calico printers - 7years- 4 shillings a week 1st term- 5-mid-6-3rd-7-4th 8-5th 9-6th 12-7th
Mssers Farnsworth and Catlow" This apears to be John Broadley's agreemnt for his son Hugh's apprentiship. I was wondering if your ancestor was also apprenticed here? Was this firm the leading or only "show" in town for such an education?
Barbara

SPENCER Leon 1884-1968

t42RoseHill — 2009-10-28 12:03:14Z

SPENCER Leon 1884-1968

I photographed this gravestone in the (Shannon) Rose Hill Cemetery, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 209,237 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com .

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SPENCER Charles E 1921-1990

t42RoseHill — 2009-10-21 12:38:50Z

SPENCER Charles E 1921-1990

I photographed this gravestone in the (Shannon) Rose Hill Cemetery, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 208,145 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com .

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Re: caleb c. spencer / Epaphrus Kibby

Jeanrwalton — 2009-10-26 20:44:02Z

Is the Epaphrus you mention, son of Lavinia, b. 1829, d. 1830 named for an uncle, brother to Lavinia? Any information on him?

Re: caleb c. spencer / Epaphrus Kibby

Jeanrwalton — 2009-10-27 17:36:12Z

Thanks! All information is useful. Sorry, I have nothing on Caleb Spencer.

Re: SPENCER

marieballtov — 2009-10-27 23:58:05Z

Have you looked at the Rishton website which has lots about the mills (both sorts). Alexander Duxbury was the miller in the 1690s. I think he was actually Anglican but some of his close relatives were Catholic. bye Marie

Re: SPENCER

marieballtov — 2009-10-27 23:33:18Z

hello Barbara,
I wonder if this had anything to do with Hugh emigrating?
The Manchester Times and Manchester and Salford Advertiser and Chronicle Saturday Sep 16 1848 reports on Meetings in Bankruptcy on Monday 19th Sep of George Henry and James Farnsworth engravers Enfield Clayton le Moors, best wishes, Marie

Re: Omar Spencer/Elizabeth Bezner

schawnbezner — 2009-10-20 17:11:14Z

hello, Elizabeth's father jesse is my great great great grandfather who lived in jefferson county, town of lorrain ,ny

Re: Spencer's from Liverpool, Lancashire, England

HiFly2 — 2009-10-27 19:03:38Z

I have some Spencers also from Liverpool - starting off with a Thomas Smith Spencer b~1809 - married a Margaret Gibson in 1826 and then a Margaret Wright in 1843.

Any connection??

HiFly

Re: SPENCER

williamball1 — 2009-10-27 11:47:03Z

The Returns of Papists were published in 1980, so the IGI won't be able to cite them till they gp out of copyright, I think. As far as I know, they are out of print and copies are very expensive. I suggest you go to the library, who should be able to borrow a copy for you or go to your local LDS library. I have looked on Familysearch in the Library catalog and it says they have a copy, though if they only have one you might be waiting a while.E.S. Worrall (ed.) Returns of Papists 1767 Catholic Record Society. It comes in 2 volumes and you must get volume 1 which covers Chester. Make sure you get the volume which covers CHESTER as Lancashire was in the diocese of Chester.
Although the Registers of Dunkenhalgh and St Mary's, Enfield are said to cover 1756-1837, there are not many entries before the 1770s. As you say, you will find certainly burials and often marriages of Catholics in the Anglican parish records of Great Harwood, Altham, Church Kirk etc. Even before 1754 and the Hardwick Marriage Act you will find some Catholic marriages in the Anglican record, because according to the Poor Law you had to be married in an Anglican church to get poor relief, so if you were not well off, it was the safest thing to do.
I am still unhappy about Jane June's surname and feel it may be a mishearing.
When it says they arrived in Rishton, they may have travelled only a few miles. My Broadleys are registered as having moved into the parish a few years before, but they rented fields from the Dunkenhalgh estate and different fields might be in a different parish, bureaucratically speaking.In the 17th century the Walmesley family of Dunkenhalgh had 3 mills. Unfortunately when they cast their accounts, they always called them the miller of Fearnehurst, or the miller of Holt Mill. By the 18th century there only seems to be one mill, Holt Mill, in the accounts. They used the profits of Holt Mill to fund their charitable activities and regularly bought groats or clothing for the poor. In lancashire Record Office under DDPT there are 16 boxes of accounts, which I have read through for my Broadleys and they must have Spencer references. If you look at arrodgen or GHAS they may have a picture of the mill and there will be people there who know more than me about the mill.I enjoyed your story about the millwright, bye Marie

Re: SPENCER

williamball1 — 2009-10-27 20:26:05Z

Something else I wrote this morning, have just remembered, is that you will find Catholics buried in Anglican cemeteries and you will find Catholics, even before the Hardwick Act in 1753, getting married in Anglican churches because if you fell on hard times and weren't married legally you couldn't get poor relief. So the richer Catholics might not have an Anglican wedding, but the poorer ones would. There has been quite a bit of research done on this lately by Rebecca Probert, if you have heard of her, bye Marie

Re: SPENCER

williamball1 — 2009-10-27 19:17:47Z

I am still unhappy about June as a surname and think it may be a mishearing. The 1767 Returns also show my Broadleys moving a few years before. That doesn't necessarily mean they moved far and Billington is quite near. If you rented a different messuage it might be in a different parish, but you might only move a few miles. I know my Broadleys didn't move far. In the Lancashire Record Office under DDPT there are 16 boxes of household accounts for the Walmesleys of Dunkenhalgh but of course I was looking for Broadleys not Spencers.(3 years that took) Pity. One of the books I bought from Bob Dobson has a picture of the mill. I'll have a look through. arrodgen are a helpful site, bye Marie

Re: SPENCER

williamball1 — 2009-10-27 19:08:38Z

Bother, I spent about an hour writing that.Try again. The book was published in 1980 so is still under copyright so won't be on the IGI. The LDS have a copy in their library catalogue so you could borrow it from them or from an ordinary library, E.S. Worrall ed Return of Papists 1767 Catholic Record Society, but remember it is in 2 volumes and you want the volume with Cheshire in as Chester diocese included Lancashire then. Remember Cheshire.(I believe it is out of print and very expensive for secondhand volumes) Online, go to the great harwoood appreciation society, look in documents, then register of recusants and you will find your Spencers with the rest of the local Catholics.I'll stop there, send this and see if it goes, then write some more, Marie

Re: SPENCER

williamball1 — 2009-10-28 18:46:08Z

From Marie, one or two more bits
James Spencer of Clayton le Moors was buried at Great Harwood aged 67 years 31 mar 1797. Mary widow of James Spencer of Rishton aged 71 buried Great Harwood 20 oct 1798. Richard Clough (who married Ann Spencer) buried GH 27 jan 1792 of Accrington aged 27 and I think this must be Richard's first wife although the transcription says John, but it's the right date,, GH 29 Jun 1790 Margaret wife of John Spencer of Rishton. The Mill was Holt Mill in Rishton, half Clayton le Moors and half Great Harwood. There is a website for the Great Harwood Appreciation society which has a webcam, but I don't know if they have pictures of the mill. There are certainly books with pictures of the mill, but whether they're available in Canada I don't know, even in that enormous underground bookshop you have in Toronto