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Sims of Meigs Co. Ohio (early 1800's)

SMDoran — 2009-11-10 17:01:53Z

Trying to find the Simms family of my 4G's grandmother, Susannah Sims/Simms (b.1830 OH). She married my 4G's grandfather Jeptha Conner (b.1826 IN) in Cass Co. Indiana in 1849. I now have reason to believe her parents were a William and Catharine Sims, b. abt 1795/1785 respectively, both in Pennsylvania. They appear several pages prior to Jeptha and Susan in the US 1850 census, listed under son John's household:

1850 US Census - Adams, Cass, Indiana
John Sims, m age 30, born OH
Elizabeth, f age 26, IN
Jerome, m age 3, IN
Cynthia, f age 2, IN
William, m age 55, PA
Catharine A., f age 24, OH
Ferebey, f age 22, OH
Catharine E., f age 65, PA
Rebecca, f age 1/2, IN

I found what appears to be this same William Sims in the US 1820 Census in Olive, Meigs Co. Ohio. Both above him and below him (into the next page) are listed other Sims households: John, Frances, John (older), and Barnet. I also found an Edward Sims and a Hezekiah Sims in neighboring communites in the same county.

Anyone have further info on these various Sims families of Meigs Co. Ohio that could possibly prove or disprove a connection to my Susan Sims? or at least her possible father, William Sims?

Re: Was Joseph Baker Symes' wife Louisa Emma Hartmann?

britnames — 2009-11-01 03:07:11Z

Oops -- I hit submit before I pasted in the 1911 Census household.

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1911 census transcription details for: 8 Avenue Road Leigh on Sea Essex
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN10119 RG78PN533A RD195 SD2 ED7 SN97

Reg. District: Rochford Sub District: Prittlewell
Parish: Leigh Enum. District: 7
Address: 8 Avenue Road Leigh on Sea Essex
County: Essex
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
SYMES, Joseph Head Married M 34 1877 Coal Merchant Hampstead Middlesex
SYMES, Louisa Wife Married
9 years F 35 1876 London Haggerstone
SYMES, Doris Daughter F 8 1903 School Misswell Hill Highgate
SYMES, Jack Son M 5 1906 School Middlesex Hendon
SYMES, Joan Daughter F 3 1908 Middlesex Hendon

Was Joseph Baker Symes' wife Louisa Emma Hartmann?

britnames — 2009-11-01 03:06:04Z

In the UK BMD, there are two possible marriages for my Louisa Emma Hartmann (b. 24 Jul 1875, Shoreditch to Wilhelm and Louisa (nee Barfield). One is to Frederick Charles Roe. The other is to Joseph Baker Symes.

The following entry from 1911 and lack of a similar record for Louisa Roe lead me to toward the Symes marriage.

My personal research interest is the Barfield family from which Louisa Emma Hartmann's mother descended. However, I am hoping to trace possible living relatives through marriages of Louisa Barfield Hartmann's children.

I will be extremely grateful for any leads.

Francis William Hoare Symes

jamesmgray1 — 2009-10-09 15:52:38Z

I am looking for information on a Francis William Hoare Symes who participated in the American Civil War. He migrated to and is buried in Queensland, Australia. Any information you can provide will be greatly appreciated. jamesmgray@bigpond.com

Francis William Hoare Symes

jamesmgray1 — 2009-10-09 15:50:20Z

Francis William Hoare Symes

jamesmgray1 — 2009-10-09 15:48:50Z

Francis William Hoare Symes

jamesmgray1 — 2009-10-09 15:43:25Z

Re: English Ancestors Wanted: SYMES, TIPPET, SAXON, WIGLY, WIGLEY, WRIGLEY, LAVIN, PLATT

RichBinns — 2009-10-09 12:41:23Z

Joseph William Symes born 25 Feb 1891, Ridding Delph, West Riding of Yorkshire was my great uncle. He migrated to New Bedford in 1909 (on the Saxonia-see Boston Passenger Lists). He married Florrie Saxon (daughter of Wright Saxon and Harriet Wrigley).

I have a lot more info re the Symes family if needed

Sue

SYMES Juanita 1925-1966

t42MountOlivet — 2009-09-11 21:56:27Z

SYMES Juanita 1925-1966

I photographed this gravestone in the Mount Olivet Cemetery, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 207,138 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com

If you know more about this person please reply here instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family.

Re: William Symes f/o Francis William Symes; Dorset, England

Alisondvowles — 2009-09-03 17:50:10Z

Hello, I have only just come on here to look at these posts for Symeses, and I see you are looking for William Symes and Edith Morey. William was my great-great-grandfather. He had a son Francis, b. 1830, whose daughter Kate Louise b.1879 was my grandmaother. If you look on Genes Reunited, you will see my tree, and I have axtensive information on this Symes family. As it is so long since you put this post on, you may well have acquired all this by now?

Re: Symes/Simms/Doolette

grahampeters170 — 2009-08-14 20:33:50Z

AS Doolette was my great, great grandmother's brother. His parents and most of his older siblings came to Adelaide in 1855 on the Nashwauk which was shipwrecked (very gently) on the shore at Moana, South of Adelaide.

Abraham Simms or Symes Doolette was born in Norwood, South Australia on 7 March 1858 and died in Adelaide 4 July 1938. He married Jesie Gibson Ferguson and they had nine children.

He was active as a photographer in Broken Hill, then Western Australia and then Adelaide. The records that I have show

Doolette, A.S. & Co. Broken Hill, 1894-1895;
Oxide St, Broken Hill, 1895-1896;
West Aust 1896-1900

There are several photographs by him in the South Australian State Library. They include some rather formal shots of guards outside Government House. They tend to have a Victorian stiffness about them, with interior shots seeming to be routinely set against a set backdrop.

AS Doolette's oldest brother, Sir George Philip Doolette became one of Australia's leading mining entrepreneurs of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.

The Broken Hill strike may refer to any of four events between 1889 and 1920, the last being known as "The Big Strike". These are major events in Australian Industrial hiHistory and are very well documented on the NEt and in the newspapers of the time (see NLA Newspaper Beta to search for them)

The key dates are 1889, 1892, 1909 and the eighteen month strike from 1919 to 1920. None of these fit the supposed period that AS Doolette was in Broken Hill. However, other family photos that I have seen make me wonder if he retained a studio there for longer.

Hope that helps

Graham

Re: Symes/Simms/Doolette

jennykeenan1944 — 2009-08-14 12:17:33Z

A found this site whilst scanning a photo of my grandfather taken by the photographic studio A.S. Doolette & Co on the back of which is the caption"APB taken during the Broken Hill strike" and wondered if there was further information about the photographer and his work in Broken Hill. JK

Re: Symes from Somerset who came to New Zealand

disymes_1 — 2009-08-12 03:39:37Z

Hello Anne, have just read your message !! Would you like to contact me, all that you have told me -- looks as though there is a conection. My email address is disymes @tpg .com.au
Regards Diana

Re: Cost of DNA test has dropped again and the SYMES project is now up to 66 members

mjeffers — 2009-07-03 19:48:23Z

Do you have any interest at all in MTDNA results?

Cost of DNA test has dropped again and the SYMES project is now up to 66 members

magrif — 2009-07-03 18:58:03Z

In case anyone you know is interested, they have dropped the price of Y chromosome DNA testing at FamilyTreeDNA.com - at least for the month of July to $199 for 67 markers. The cost for 37 markers is only $119, but if any interested parties can go the extra 80 bucks it is well worth it to make matches much more precise. The SIMS/SYMES project is now up to 66 submitters of DNA for Y chromosome testing from all over the world and includes surnames Simes, Simms, Sims, Syme, Symes, Symmes, Syms, and other surname variations. The Y DNA results on the primary Sims DNA project site is:
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jimsims/sims/sims-Y-project/SimsS...

You can join thru this link
http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Symes

- Allan Griffith, Bloomington, Illinois, USA.- magrif@verizon.net

William John Symes Canada

johnsvendsen_1 — 2009-06-05 11:49:49Z

I am looking for information on William John Symes born 1882 in Weston in Gordano, Somerset, England. He emigrated with his wife Bess to Canada. There were three daughters Lily, Margaret and Olive

any information welcome

Re: Symes Correct Pronunciation Please

barneyhairball — 2009-03-29 16:31:19Z

Hi

I am a Symes from Liverpool. The 'y' is pronounced 'i', ie, 'eye'. Making sense? I don't know how to help with the 'mes'! Hope that is not needed.

Regards. Helen

Re: Bertram Symes - Rubber Plantation Owner in Malaya

bennettbase — 2009-03-04 18:30:30Z

Hi

We are distantly related. My father was Gordon Edward Symes. His father was Noel Symes, brother to Bertram. His father was John Symes.

Jennie

Symes from Somerset who came to New Zealand

securtis17 — 2008-02-05 07:57:32Z

Thanks for that info however your desendents are from the Waverley area in Taranaki and although our family names are the same (Frances Symes) I can not seem to marry either family. Alot of your relations live in Hawkes bay and up to Gisborne. I have seen your family history book and have photocopies of some extracts and the "Thorley" name is in there. Thanks again for your information. Regards Sharlene

John SYMES marr Alice MANIKON in Broad Clyst, Devon

ancestralfamilytrees — 2007-08-12 17:43:43Z

I am hoping to find any descendants for this couple:

John SYMES
Spouse: Alice MANIKON
Marriage: 14 JAN 1715
Broad Clyst, Devon, England

Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information: Batch No.: M050001
* *
John SYMES was bapt Apr 27 1691 in Broad Clyst, s/o Ralph SYMES & Elinor PERRY.

Alice MANIKON was bapt Aug 20 1688 in Clyst Honiton, d/o Charles MANIKON & Florence.

My husband is related on the MANIKON side which as you can imagine, has many variations :-)

Re: looking for SYMES, SAXON, WRIGHT, LAVIN, WIGLEY from England

RichBinns — 2007-10-13 04:05:36Z

Hi

Just realised (having just joined this thread) one of my Symes family-Joseph William Symes born Ridding (Delph), West Riding of Yokshire, 25 Feb 1891 went to America-he was my great uncle. I have info on the Symes family and some on the Tibbots (Margaret Tibbot was his mother). Happy to share, and keen to hear about the American side.

I gather from reading the posts Joseph married someone called Saxon.

Sue

Re: Joseph William SYMES - b Yorkshire, England 1891; d Boston, Massachusetts.

RichBinns — 2007-10-13 03:45:29Z

Hi
I know you did the post a few months ago-Walter (William) Symes was my great grandfather-I wondered what happened to Joseph William Symes.
Info as follows:
Walter William Symes born Upwey Dorset, bapt 21 Jul 1867, St Lawrence.
Margaret Tibbot born 25 Mar 1870, Jolley St, Warrington
08 Jul 1888 Christ Church, Denshaw, WRY:
William Symes, 21, Bachelor, Excavator, Bowk House, Samuel Symes, Excavator
Margaret Tippet, 19, Spinster, Bowk House, Richard Tippet, Excavator
William Symes
Margaret Tibbot
Witnesses:
Samuel Symes
Rebecca Foster

William and Margaret's children:
Alice Tibbot, Rushworth, WRY, reg Halifax, March Qtr 1886
Mary Jane Symes, b 25 Dec 1888, Ridding (Delph), WRY
Joseph William Symes, b 25 Feb 1891, Ridding (Delph), WRY

In 1901 William (widowed) living with his son Joseph in Langsett, WRY and Mary Jane and Alice living with their grandmother (Margaret's mother-Bridget Tibbot) in Delph, WRY (very close to where William's father, Samuel Symes was living).

William remarried as follows:
19 Jul 1909, The Parish Church, Brampton Bierlow, Yorkshire
William Symes, 39, Widower, Labourer, 22 Mount Terrace, Samuel Symes, Labourer
Mary Ellen Day, 33, Widow, 22 Mount Terrace, Joseph Kennedy (deceased), Cotton Weaver.

William and Mary Ellen only had one son
Norman Symes b 13 Oct 1911, 110 Kenworthy St Stalybridge (which I think was then renamed as 30 Astley St-where Norman was living when he married and where his daughter, Jean Symes was born).

Mary Jane Symes never married and lived with Norman and his wife in Astley St, Stalybridge. Mary Ellen Symes was living there when she died as was William.

I have more info on the Symes family (and some on the Tibbots if you are interested). I'm keen to hear about Joseph who went to America.

Sue

Re: Joseph William SYMES - b Yorkshire, England 1891; d Boston, Massachusetts.

RichBinns — 2007-10-14 00:54:02Z

Hi Helen

There are 2 Astley Streets in the area-one in Stalybridge and one in Dukinfield. The Saxon household (1901) was near the Dukinfield one.

I can only access the passenger list which lists Joseph Symes leaving from Liverpool-very little info on. Presumably you have an arrival record or something similar.

Is it possible Joseph returned to England at some stage because I have a photo from his step brother's (Norman Symes)wedding in 1933 which has been labelled 'Joseph Symes'. The label is possibly incorrect as apparently the label wasn't done until the 1970s. There is no mention of a Joseph Symes in the newspaper article about the wedding but there is a Walter Symes (bit of a mystery)who acted as 'Usher' I don't think this was Joseph's and Norman's father because this Walter according to the article was from Stackstead.

The house at 30 Astley Street, Stalybridge is on the corner of Astley and Kenworthy streets which makes me think there had been renumbering sometime between Norman Symes' birth in 1911 and his marriage in 1933.

My direct contact is

drsuerichardson@ozemail.com.au

Sue

Re: looking for SYMES, SAXON, WRIGHT, LAVIN, WIGLEY from England

janetdavies153 — 2007-08-15 21:48:51Z

I don't know if you are still on this board but I am related to the Wigleys of Compstall, perhapd we can exchange information?

Re: Symes Correct Pronunciation Please

bsyms152 — 2008-12-07 01:39:41Z

My ancestors cam from Devon, spelt the name SYMES and pronounced it to rhyme with limes.
My grandfather moved to Wiltshire, changed the name to SYMS and pronounced it to rhyme with limbs.

Brian Syms

Re: looking for SYMES, SAXON, WRIGHT, LAVIN, WIGLEY from England

BainesFamilyTree — 2007-09-24 22:20:24Z

I am descended from a James and Hannah Saxon. They had Jonathan in Hulme in 1812. Jonathan married Eliza Tristram and had Thomas (1839), Louisa (1840), John (1844) and Henry (1848 - 1882). I am descended via Louisa Saxon who married Thomas Price and had a son, John W Price. John W married my great grandmother Edith Hewlett (b. 1874 in Cinderford) and settled in Salford.

John Saxon (b1844) married Dorothy and lived as a publican at 736 Ashton Old Rd Halfway House in Openshaw.

Re: Joseph William SYMES - b Yorkshire, England 1891; d Boston, Massachusetts.

helenroberts93 — 2007-10-13 19:07:39Z

Hi Sue,
Thanks very much for your message and the information you have given me, any other info on the Symes family would be much appriciated. Joseph William Symes was married to Florrie Saxon whos mother Harriet (nee Wigley) was my grandads 2nd cousin. She grew up in Mellor Derbyshire, she married Wright Saxon and had 2 daughters Florrie and Ada. On the 1901 Census Wright, Harriet and the 2 girls are living in Duckinfield/Stayleybridge at 1 Robert Street which is next to Astley St (Kenworthy Rd). Now I have found Joseph Symes passage to Boston on 21st Sep 1909 he travelled on the Saxonia Ship as a single man aged 18 he arrived on 29th Sept 1909. He had put his fathers name as William Symes and his last address in England as 110 Kenworthy Street Staleybridge. I have found him on the 1910 Census living as a boarder with a family and still classed as single. Florrie travelled in 1910 on the ship Ivernia but she is down as Florrie Symes (Simes) and classed as married. I can't find any record of their marriage in the UK so I presume they were boyfriend and girlfriend and then married whilst they were in America as on a later census its state Josephs age at marriage as being 19. Harriet and Wright Saxon travelled in 1911 6 months apart and strangely they travelled under the names of William Symes and Harriet Symes but both from the same address, they appear on the 1920 census under their proper names of Wright and Harriet Saxon along with Joseph William Symes, Florrie had now died so doesnt appear on the census but her and Josephs 4 children do. Also living with them are Florries sister Ada and her husband John Lavin. Joseph is still living with his children and inlaws on the 1930 Census. I have also found his war draft Card from 1917. It states he is Married with 4 children (so Florrie must have died after 1917) and his address is 22 Neville Street New Bedford, he is employed at Whitman Mill, New Bedford. If I can help in any way please ask, I have copies of the census records and passages across for them all stored on the computer so i will send you the war draft one if it will send and if you would like the others please let me know if you would like me to send them to your email address I gladly will if you can let me have it, Many Thanks, Helen.

Re: Symes

helenroberts93 — 2007-12-12 14:43:04Z

Hi,
I have been looking through some of the messages on the Ancestry website and I saw yours for the Symes family. Do you have any information on Joseph W Symes and Florence Symes? They were the daughter and son in law of my Grandfathers cousin Harriet Wigley, she married Wright Saxon and the family moved to New Bedford. I do have quite a lot of information on the Symes family but little of what happened to them in New BEdford Massachusettes apart from their death details. Any help would be great.
Thanks Helen

Looking for children of Florrie (nee Saxon) and Joseph Symes, both born in England immigrated 1910 to New Bedford

helenroberts93 — 2007-10-22 18:23:18Z

Hi I am looking for the children of Florrie and Joseph Symes. I believe they had 4 children all born in New Bedford Massachuseetes between 1911 and 1916, they are Sydney, Cora, Ida and Harold. I believe Harold has passed away but I think the others may still be living. I would be very grateful if anyone could help. Florrie was born in Derbyshire England in 1891 and Joseph William in Yorkshire England the same year. They immigrated along with Florries parents Wright and Harriet Saxon. Harriet (nee Wigley) was a cousin of my grandfather. I think Florrie died around 1918 and Joseph continued living with his inlaws. Please if anyone could help, I have found them on the 1920 and 1930 Census but am struggling beyond that, death records or anything would help.
many thanks Helen

Re: Joseph William SYMES - b Yorkshire, England 1891; d Boston, Massachusetts.

helenroberts93 — 2007-10-16 17:38:41Z

Hi Sue,

Just checking you received my reply the other day with the attachments of the census records, I sent them to your email but wasn't sure whether you had got them so thought I'd use ancestry to as a back up to contact you.
Best Wishes, Helen

Re: Symes from Somerset who came to New Zealand

annecamp_1 — 2007-08-24 06:31:17Z

I am tracing the Symes family from Chardstock, Dorset/Devon, and 'think' that I am connected to Morgan Coombes Symes. Actually there are two individuals of this name - a father and son. MCS Senior was born about 1811 Weymouth, and MCS Junior born 1837 Weymouth. BMD records suggest MCS Senior married twice - firstly to Eliza Stone (not certain) in 1837 and secondly to Mary Oldridge in 1852. I suspect that MCS Senior was the son of a William Symes and Sarah Toby who married at Chardstock in 1805. They had 5 known children - a Frances, Sarah, William, Morgan and Eliza. My connection is via this William's brother, John, who was born at Chardstock in 1786. He subsequently migrated to South Australia in 1840.

Re: Symes from Somerset who came to New Zealand

annecamp_1 — 2007-08-24 06:31:14Z

Re: Symes from Somerset who came to New Zealand

yarrayne — 2008-07-06 05:21:25Z

Hi Diana,

I believe I also have a distant connection to your Symes family, but please check these details for yourself too. Morgan Coombes Symes' parents were a William Symes (born 1780 Chardstock)and Sarah Toby (b. 1776 Portland). William's brother John (born 1786 Chardstock ) is my gg grandfather. John arrived in South Australia in 1840 with 12 children. His daughter Caroline married a Dr Charles Knight and moved to NZ in the 1840's. I have a detailed history if you are interested.

As for Morgan Coombes Symes, I suspect he was born in either Weymouth or Wyke Regis in about 1811. The latter is where his sibings were born. He may have married twice - a Mary Farrel and a mary Ann Oldridge - or perhaps Mary had been married before as both marriages are listed as 1837, but one Weymouth and the other Wyke Regis. This is rather confusing!

Anyway I have found 5 children for Morgan - another Morgan Coombes b 1852, Eliza b 1842, Mary Ann b 1854, John b 1853 and William Charles John b 1852 - all born Weymouth.

A william John Watts, who is WCJ'S cousin through Frances Symes, sister to WCJ, also went to NZ before 1867 and settled in Auckland. William was a master mariner.

Let me know if you want more detail.

Anne in Australia

Re: Symes/Simms/Doolette

pmike52 — 2008-01-03 14:51:28Z

I have just come across reference to Abraham Symes Doolette, my great grandfather, born in South Australia in 1858. I would be pleased to hear from other members of the family or related families, especially in relation to the Doolette origins prior to the mid 1700s (including possible French Huegenot connections)and emigration of the Doolettes from Ireland to other parts of the world, particularly North America.

Re: looking for SYMES, SAXON, WRIGHT, LAVIN, WIGLEY from England

EricSaxon24 — 2007-09-18 07:22:53Z

Hi Janet
My Gt Gt Grandfather William Saxon(born 1812) was already living in Compstall when my Gt Granfather Samuel Saxon was born there in 1837. In the same Street was William's oldest brother John(b.1803),publican at 'The Commercial Hotel',now the 'Andrews Arms Hotel) and also his older brother Thomas(b.1805),provisions dealer.
William and Samuel are both buried in Compstall Churchyard.
Samuel's son Joe was born in Compstall in 1874. Shortly after that the family connection ended.
I know nothing of the Wigleys (yet!) but will do some further research.
You mentioned books on Compstall, can you provide info on these?
Do you know Compstall?
Any further information you have will be gratefully received, in 15 years of research you are the only contact to mention Saxons and Compstall!
Hope to hear from you soon
Eric

Re: looking for SYMES, SAXON, WRIGHT, LAVIN, WIGLEY from England

EricSaxon24 — 2007-09-17 13:03:35Z

Hi Janet
I have three generations of Saxons living in Commpstall. They are my Gt,Gt,grandfather William Saxon, born in Mellor. My Gt.Grandfather Samuel, born there as was one of his sons, Joe, who was my grandfather. Perhaps we can share information?
Eric

Re: Symes Correct Pronunciation Please

pasymes1 — 2009-01-25 23:26:08Z

I've always pronounced it with an "eye" in the middle, so it rhymes with, well "rhymes".

Paul Symes
London

Meaning Of Symes

inimgbasymes — 2008-12-04 08:08:41Z

I have been searching for ages now for the meaning of my name SYMES but nobody seem to know anything even my parents.
Please can somebody tell me the meaning of my name to save me this embarrassment from the public or do i manufacture a meaning to my name?

Symes

Re: Symes; Somerset > South Australia

cdohnt51 — 2009-03-03 06:38:32Z

My g g grandfather William Ayling married a Sarah Symes in Adelaide in 1841. When she died in 1878 age 65 her nearest relative on the death certificate was brother in law Stephen Jarvis. He is the husband of Esther Symes. Could they all be the same family. That would make Sarah the eldest in the family as she was born 1831 in Stogursey Somerset UK

Re: Symes' of Scotland

symesm — 2008-09-16 16:53:48Z

Carolyn so nice to hear from you . I cant believe we have finally made a connection my husband,Melvin and I have been searching for along time now .We are decendents William And Sarah Grant Symes ,James Grant Symes brother to your Robert .James left Scotland in an around 1850 to come to Canada.Are you any relation with a Beryl Mathers I do know that he has a connection too .But cant find him tried email and no response .Let me know how we can swap information I would love this for our next family reunion in October I think it would be neat to have a whole other branch to our tree .Our nephew is goes to england soon he is going to try to look up about william and sarah for us he is studying to be a history professor .maybe we will all be lucky and find the next link Thank you Marie &Melvin Symes

Re: Hello to all Symes'

symesm — 2008-04-14 19:32:26Z

HELLO BOB MY FAMILY WERE IN LANARK AREA 1841 TO 1901 FROM THE CENSUS THE NAMES ARE THE SAME FRED ROBERT JAMES ELISABETH JUST TRYING TO FIND CONNECTIONS ANYTHING RING A BELL FROM MEL SYMES CANADA

Re: Symes in Scotland

symesm — 2008-04-14 19:16:49Z

MY FAMILY OF SYMES CAME TO LANARK BY 1841 BEFORE THEY WERE IN DORSET JOSEPH SYMES M SARAH GRANT 1824 I AM TRYING TO TRACE THE FAMILY 1 BROTHER AND 3 SISTER STAYED IN LANRK AREA 1BROTHER AUS. 1SISTER ENG 1BROTHER N.B. CANADA ANY INFORMATION APPR. MELVIN

Re: Symes' of Scotland

symesm — 2008-03-18 22:08:14Z

I have the same does your Symes have Joseph born 1802 and Sarah Grant Symes born 1796 .Had 7 children 3 sons james ,richard and frederick and 4 daughters lived in Brigdeton on Dale street is where we have found in the cenuses .I do know part of the family spelled it Syme a cousin of James came to visit in canada and that is how JOSEPH spelled his name.THANK YOU MARIE

Re: Symes from Somerset who came to New Zealand

thorleysymes — 2008-02-04 22:51:04Z

Hi, just in case you haven't ever sighted a copy in the intervening years since your posting, the book Mary and Francis, New Zealand Pioneers has quite a lot of detail on them over several pages, though from what I can see only scant reference to Francis' parentage (William Symes and Elizabeth Matthews) and nothing further back than that. The book's by Evagean Publishing, P O Box 199, Te Aroha, New Zealand. As I am a Thorley and my partner a Symes descended from the Francis Symes born in Pilton in 1820 (our three sons have the surname Thorley-Symes), we naturally intrigued to find our if we are related in the distant past. Unfortunately, we appear to have come up against a brick wall on the Thorley side of the tree! Cheers

Re: looking for SYMES, SAXON, WRIGHT, LAVIN, WIGLEY from England

janetdavies162 — 2007-09-17 15:38:35Z

Hi Eric, please let me know how I can help? When were your relatives living in Compstall? I have some old books about Compstall and I seem to remember mention of Saxons in them. How are the Wigleys connected? Janet

Re: Symes/Simms/Doolette

grahampeters170 — 2008-03-06 03:27:16Z

An image photographed by Abraham Doolette is held in the State Library of South Australia.

http://www.samemory.sa.gov.au/site/page.cfm?c=4285&mode=...

In addition, I beleive that there are images of Broken Hill invarious publications, reproducing his photographs

Graham Peters

Re: Symes/Simms/Doolette

grahampeters170 — 2008-03-06 01:23:50Z

Abraham Symes Doolette (or it may be Simms or Sims- the Symes seems to be more likely as there are Symes in the extended family - an Elizabeth Doolittle marrying a Symes (or Sims) in Ireland) was born 7 March 1858 in Norwood, South Australia, Australia. He was a photographer in Broken Hill for a time. He traded under the name A S Doolette and Co.

Abraham was the second youngest of twelve chilren of George Dorham Doolette and Elizabeth Rynard (possibly Reynard) who were Irish.

He was descended from Michael Doolittle of Gorey Wexford and Margaret Dorham. Abraham's father, George (a cabinet maker originally apprenticed to Edward Piarson(?) of 34 Upper Abbey St, Dublin on 2/6/1828) changed his name from Doolittle to Doolette in 1835 and the family - by that time, George and Elizabeth had already had nine children - arrived in Adelaide, South Australia in 1855 aboard the NASHWAUK. The passenger list for the Nashwauk has not yet been transcribed but it would be worth keeping researching for this in another few months. SA State Records Office show the details of Assisted Immigration as the following:

Surname or Ship Name Year First Name/List No. Doolette 1855 Eliza 55/16 7
Doolette 1855 Elizabeth 55/16 7
Doolette 1855 George 55/16 (2) 7
Doolette 1855 John 55/16 7
Doolette 1855 Nathaniel 55/16 7
Doolette 1855 Julia 55/16 7
Doolette 1855 Sally 55/16

55/16 is the list for the Nashwauk, 16th assisted immigration ship of 1855

The Nashwauk was a cargo and migrant ship, built in Nova Scotia, which met an early grave in the waters off the Fleurieu, near Moana Beach, in 1855. Quoting the Moana Surf Life Saving Club site:

"She had set sail from Liverpool with 300 Irish immigrants on board who had the good fortune to survive the wreck. The vessel was a three-masted full rigged ship of 760 tons built in Nova Scotia during 1853. She left Liverpool on February 13,1855 carrying 300 Irish migrants and general cargo bound for Adelaide, South Australia. During the early hours of Sunday, May 13, the ship was tacking up St.Vincent Gulf in variable winds, after making it’s way through Investigator Strait. Just before dawn, the Nashwauk went aground at Moana after her lookouts mistook the low sandy coast for a cloud in the darkness. By dawn she was abandoned as a total wreck. The ship’s passengers and crew were all landed and taken to Adelaide, but storms soon destroyed the Nashwauk. Before serious salvage work could be carried out. Her cargo and remains were quickly buried under drift sand which ebbs and flows along the coast.

For most of the time, the wreck is under 1.5m-2m of sand. There are two visible reminders of the disaster today. An anchor from the ship has been erected as a memorial in the caravan park, and 50m offshore, just South of the Moana Surf Life Saving Club clubrooms a fragment of one of the ship’s mast rests on the bottom."

The Nashwauk's cargo of immgrants include 130 single girls who were claimed to have 'behaved in a most discreditable manner' after the wrecking. I wonder what that means!? There is a reasonable amount of information on the wreck of the Nashwauk in published journals. Somewhere, I have a photocopy of the original shipping list report of the founding.

There is a suggestion that the Doolittle family may have originated in Worcestershire but I have not seen anything concrete to support this. The Huegenot connection is less likely. The Huegenot settlers tended to stay with identifiable trades (weavers was one such as with other textile workers) and live in close proximity to their relatives. In London they tended to congregate in the East End and my wife offers an interesting aside, that some "Traditional Cockney" characteristics including caged birds and showy flowers, are in fact Huegenot taste importations.

More likely, the surname Doolittle may have implied the laziness of a forebear.

More intersting is the possible roots of Elizabeth Rynard or Reynard, this not being a long standing Irish name. There is a suggestion that all Reynards, and derivatives of the name, are Palatine refugees. Certain of these protestant dissenters made their way to Ireland, as did some Huegenot refugees. I am a bit dubious of both origins although it might explain the long standing protestanism in an otherwise catholic country.

Abraham Doolette married 26 August 1880 in Adelaide to Jessie Gibson Feguson, born Glasgow, Scotland in 1861. They had eight children and he died 4 July 1938 in Adelaide. He was buried 6 July 1938 in Mitcham Cemetry.

Abraham's older brother Sir George Philip Doolette was a significant mining entrepeneur, listed in the Australian Dictionary of Biography, as was his son Dorham Longford Doolette (a mining entrepeneur and published Australian poet (signifcant in Western Australian literature), under the name Dorie Doolette).

Abraham was the younger brother of my great-great grandmother, Elizabeth Doolette who married Frederick Newton. She died in Broken Hill in September 1926, shortly before my mother was born. I have some notes of my enquiries of my grandfather discussing his ancestors that may have some physical description of her. As a teenager, I interviewed as many aged relatives as possible on their ancestors. I have not yet got around to transcribing these.

If you email me at graham.peters@gmail.com, I will send relevant parts of family tree.

Anne Doolette in Adelaide is tracing some Doolette details and Max Spiller in Bellingen, New South Wales has done quite a bit of research which is traceable on the internet. If you search on Roots Web you may find contact details for these two. Any net search also throws up several other Doolette relations including a currently active musician/composer, based in Canberra.

Shortly after the Second World War, General Jimmy Doolittle, an aeronautical engineer and famous US Air Force figure (look him up on the net) visited Australia, tracing distant relations. I understand that his ancestors migrated from Ireland to the USA at about the same time as Abraham Doolette's parents came to Australia

Graham Peters

Re: Symes' of Scotland

csy52327 — 2008-09-15 05:03:59Z

Hi,
I have been looking for the birth place of Joseph Symes b. 1801/2 who married Sarah Grant in Owermoigne, Dorset in 1824. They went to live in Dale St, Glasgow before son Robert Symes and his wife Jane Patrick migrated to Australia. I am descended from Robert and Jane. Would be interested to know what happened to the other brothers and sisters and where Joseph was born.
Carolyn

Re: Symes Correct Pronunciation Please

janiceball176 — 2008-12-13 15:01:15Z

Hi there, the correct way to pronounce the name is as in time, as there is one m followed by an e in the name. My maiden name is Symes.

Janice...

Re: Symes Correct Pronunciation Please

jeanlion2007 — 2008-12-05 21:36:00Z

How interesting to know there are so many other Symes in the world who have struggled with the pronunciation all their lives! Our name has always been pronounced sims, and it was implicit as we grew up and learned to spell it that anyone who allowed themselves to be called s-eye-ms was probably of weak will. It seemed to be a matter of pride a couple generations back, as a great uncle succumbed to pressure and allowed his name to be pronounced any old way -- which usually meant with a long "i" (eye) sound -- and we children definitely got the idea he probably had loose morals too (whatever that was!). I generally say my name and spell it in the same breath.