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Re: Tay in Birmingham

kaykayjay23 — 2012-12-01 23:57:11Z

hi chris, I am trying ti trace my grand mothers family she was clara tay, her parents were george tay and henrietta warwick from birmingham, he was a silver plater I have been told, george,s father was thomas tay and his wife was sarah mason buried at wombourn 1886, and I believe thomas father was John Tay and his wifes name was Jane do you think we are related. Thank you kay.

Re: Origin of surname Tay

ctamaru2 — 2012-02-18 22:12:18Z

Aloha Beverley,

My son-in-law is a direct descendent of the Tay family from England.Ipswich, county Suffolk, England. I have been working on their family tree for years and have quite a lot of information about the origin of the name. William tay born 1608, died 12 Apr 1683,Boston, Middlesex Co., Massachusetts. Please contact me at ctamaru2@hawaii.rr.com.

Christine

Re: Origin of surname Tay

beverleyp159 — 2012-02-16 08:13:59Z

Hi
I don't know much. Jane Tay was born on 20.4.1817 in Deritend, Aston, Birmingham and christened on 14.7.1817, parents John and Ann Tay.
I have come across her because I think she married my ancestor Thomas Lloyd (b. 1813 in Bilston). I can't find a marriage for them but Thomas and Jane Lloyd are on the 1841 census and two of their children have Tay as a middle name. On the 1881 census Jane gives her birthplace as Deritend so I'm quite sure I have the right girl as Thomas's wife. Their oldest child Alfred was b. 1835 so presumably they were married around 1834/5 (she would be quite young).
I was brought up in Birmingham and remember the Tays butchers shops!
Ay info you have would be gratefully received.
Beverley

Re: Origin of surname Tay

ChristineTay1 — 2012-02-16 00:09:50Z

Hi Jane, It is quite possible that your Tay ancestors and mine are connected as there were a number of Tay families in Aston Birmingham around this time, many of whom seem to be related. Some were in the meat trade, others had metal workshops. There are links to families in Worces and Staffs.Do you know more about these particular relatives such as their children's names and DOB - William is common name and several born around 1820. My family descend from Tobias Tay 1798-1860 lived in Studley Worcestershire, and quite a large number lived in Aston, Birmingham at various times, as well as Kings Norton.

Re: Origin of surname Tay

beverleyp159 — 2012-02-15 22:04:56Z

I have discovered Tays in my tree. Jane Tay of Aston, Birmingham b. 1817 was my 4 x great grandmother.
I have found a brother William b. 1820 and I think their parents were John and Ann but I haven't got any further than this.
Do these Tays fit in with anyone else's tree? I would like to know more about them.

Re: Tay family of Woburn MA

AudreyHardy75 — 2011-06-13 21:31:32Z

Hello John,
I am researching this Phebe Tay, of Worburn that married
John Shelden Center. We had her as Edee but have found someone else found her birth date in Woburn records. I could find nothing except this Edee. Do you have her birth
date, exact. And her parents?

Re: Origin of surname Tay

ChristineTay1 — 2011-01-26 02:22:05Z

I have not come across any evidence or suggestion that the name Taylor is in any way related to Tay, although you could make a long shot that Taylor is an extension of the original stem of Tay. There are several websites which provide origins of names. Taylor is a very common surname (probably from the trade) and I wouldn't think that there is any association with Tay families in USA as many people bearing these family names would have emigrated there from UK. Also, of course, many of those of Chinese origin with this name came to US.

Re: Origin of surname Tay

williamsleary — 2010-11-30 18:17:51Z

Do you know if the surname Taylor is in anyway related to Tay, Teas, etc., as I have noticed alot of them lived in similar areas in AL, NC, SC, VA, MA, PA. Shana

Re: Tay family of Woburn MA

casetakach — 2010-03-11 02:12:35Z

Do you know who Phoebe Tay ,b.2Feb1759, parents are? Thanks

Re: Tay family of Woburn MA

kjhh41 — 2010-03-09 01:51:45Z

Phoebe Tay b.02FEB1759 Woburn MA Will probate 30OCT1825 White Creek(Washington Co)NY m.28MAY1778 Billerica MA to John Sheldon Center(AmRev) b/c.22OCT1758 Billerica MA d.11DEC1811 Cambridge NY(Hoosick Falls NY). I decend thru their son Leonard G. Center. kjhh41athotmail

Re: Tay family of Woburn MA

MarciaGreen78 — 2010-03-08 17:30:58Z

I am interested in Phoebe Tay who married John Sheldon Center.
Thank you.

Re: Origin of surname Tay/ Tey/ Tea etc and DNA testing

johnmarsh369 — 2009-10-22 11:58:26Z

I am interested in the Tay/Tey family from around Colchester in Essex.

My surname is Marsh, tracing to Cambridgeshire. Some people of surname Marsh descend from a de Merc/ de Merk family who owned many estates, including Mark's Tey near Colchester in Essex. The family originally was surnamed de Marcq, and came from near Calias in France with William the Conqueror.

A Simon de Merc owned land in my ancestral village in about the late 1100s. It seems quite possible that he was from the de Merc family centered on Mark's Tey. I have no hard evidence to connect myself to the de Merc family from Marks Tey, but it is one possiblity I have not eliminated as yet.

I am the Project Administrator of the Marsh Families DNA Project, http://marshdna.arrrg.org . Y-DNA is passed down the direct male lines of families from fathers to sons, mostly unchanged. By testing Y-DNA we can tell if two males are related on the direct male line, even if the relationship was 500+ years ago.

I have found about a dozen Marshes from Cambridgeshre and Suffolk who match closely with my Y-DNA, suggesting that my Marsh family are a relatively old family, well spread around Cambridgeshire and Suffolk. I have not tested a great number of Marshes from Essex and Norfolk yet, but it is possible my Marsh family is represented in those areas also. It is possible that the family will also be found in London, given a number of possible branches who spread that far.

The Marshes who match my Marsh Y-DNA appear to be related to me in about the past 300 to 700 years.

Until recently, I had not found any other surnames with Y-DNA close enough to my family to likely be related to me within the past 1,000 years. But recently, a person surnamed Teague came up as a close match to me, but not quite as close as the Marsh matches. Based on the DNA results, it would be quite plausible for the Teague to relate to me in the past 700 years, and the Marsh grouping related to me slightly more recently.

Initially, I was interested in the fact that in France/ Belgium where the de Marcq family came from, there was a family called "de Marcq de Tiege". I thought it a possible hint of a connection between persons currently with the surname Marsh and Teague.

However, in exploring the possibility that the Simon de Merc may have come from Mark's Tey, I learned that Mark's Tey was sometimes known as the "Tege of the Mark Family". It appears that one of the early spellings of Tey/ Tay, was Tege, or even Tige.

In about 1305, the last of the de Merc owners of Mark's Tey estate, had a daughter, but no sons, and that daugher married a de Tey from Mark's Tey born about 1295. The Mark's Tey estate, and many other de Merc family estates, possible also the de Merc estate in my ancestral village, passed to the de Tey family, who held them for a few hundred years.

It is therefore interesting that if de Merc became Marsh, and de Tey/ de Tay/ de Tege became Teague, Mark's Tey near Colchester was a locality where ancestors of some Marshes and Teagues were in close contact.

Since then another close Y-DNA match has come up, and he has identical Y-DNA to the Teague. This match has the surname Payne, but a few hundred years ago, the name changed from Tisdale to Payne through an adoption by an uncle. If Tisdale was the original surname, I started to imagine if it could have derived from "Tey's-dale". Probably not, but I have an active imagination.

However, the possibility of a connection of my family to Mark's Tey, and these DNA matches which could be surnames derived from "de Tey" has me wondering. One "simple" way to resolve the matter would be to find a documented male line descendant of the Mark's Tey de Tey/ de Tay family, and DNA test them. A Y-DNA match of a Tey/ Tay with Marsh and Teague (Tey/ Tege??) and Tisdale (Tey's-dale??) would be something to think about.

As simple as that sounds, I have as yet not located an Essex Tey or Tay family with a male line to the present, so I have no one as yet to DNA test.

Leads in Essex are slim, but I hope that perhaps in time, I may track down a line from a younger Tey/ Tay son who went to USA or elsewhere.

If any persons of surname Tay or Tey, or Tea, or possibly even Toy, have had the patience to read this far, and think their family may trace to Essex, I would be very interested to talk to them, to discuss amongst other things if they are interested enough to consider DNA testing. If anyone would like to know more about DNA testing, please email me, John Marsh at ajmarsh@arrrg.org .

As a parting shot, following is a fiticious scenario... I have found that when a family ran out of male heirs in times gone by, often the son of a daughter took his mother's father's surname to inherit his estates. A possibility might have been that the de Tey who married the de Merc heiress, may have left an older son who inherited the Mark's Tey estate, the primary family estate, and kept the surname de Tey. A younger son may have inherited a lesser Cambridgehire de Merc estate, and may have taken his maternal grandfather's surname of de Merc/ Marsh.

With DNA testing, the preliminary indications are that my Marsh Y-DNA is not the same as a family reputed to relate to the de Mercq family about 900 years ago. So, I am open to considering the possibility that my male line was orginally de Tey.

Incidently, the de Tey family are thought to descend from a French family called de Dinan or de Dinant prior to 1066. I am also interested in testing some Dinan or Dinant Y-DNA if any crosses my path.

Hoping to hear from any Essex Tey or Tay families.

But even if any Tays reading this don't have a documented line to Essex, it would still be interesting for them to test their Y-DNA. Who knows, but by some chance or miracle, they may end up matching they Y-DNA of Essex de Tey/ de Tays.

John Marsh.

Re: Origin of surname Tay

ChristineTay1 — 2009-07-05 23:31:27Z

Would like to hear of links with other Tay family branches. I am not aware of any Norwegian links so this would be very interesting. Christine

Re: Origin of surname Tay

beemtay — 2009-07-05 19:27:39Z

I'm a Tay :) Finding this stuff all really interesting, never knew where the name came from before apart from the links to Scotland - we also have some Norweigan links apparently?

Benjamin Tay & Sarah Morse

KarenSCarter — 2009-06-11 03:39:56Z

Sarah Tays Book, Westborough (in front page of bible)
About 15 years ago I copied the following from a bible with a published date of 1847. It was actively infested with bugs and the person who owned it planned to burn it to kill the weevils. Last known location Indianapolis. I copied the following on a scrap of paper.
Benja Tay - May 12, 1773
Sarah Morse wife of Benj Tay born Feb 10, 1777
Benjamin Tay died July 26, 1851 - 78 years
Benjamin Tay & Sarah Morse married April 1796 (date illegible)
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Betsy Chamblin died March 3, 1852 (may have been Chamberlin)
Liddra Abbet died Feb 26, 1854
Sarah Tay died Feb 9, 1836 (could be 1856)
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Benjamin Tay born Nov 22, 1744 (or 1799 not clear)
Bulah Stow born June 27, 1756
Susan Morse wife of Thomas, born May 9, 1790
Sally Morse wife of Thomas Morse died Feb 6, 1830
Thomas Morse July 5, 1831
Solmon Tay died Dec 26, 1814 (or 1819)
Henry Morse died July 5, 1828
Elijah Morse died Aug 11, 1844 (or 1899)
Lonsno Tay -Sept 25, 1841 (or 1891)
Susan A. Chamblin died Sept 17, 1843 (or 1893)
Jane B. Tay died Sept 3, 1844
Mary M. Tay died Sept 18, 1845
Thomas Tay died Sept 1845 (or 1895)
Chal Tay son of Solmon t Tay died Sept 23, 1852
Jane Tay died Oct 3, 1852
Elhiu Tay died Oct 26, 1852
Otes Tay died March 8, 1853
Joel Parker died Nov 9, 1853
Eliphes Tay died March 19, 1854 (or 1859) age 57

I have saved this scrap of paper for years- thinking it might help someone else or perhaps it might tie into my in-laws family tree. While I copied the spelling faithfully, these spellings may not be accurate. The 9 and 4 were very hard to tell apart. My guess is that the Chal listed may have been Charles. These names appear to occur in Massachusetts and there is a town named Westborough in Massachusetts, but this is purely a guess on my part.

Re: Tay in Birmingham

ChristineTay1 — 2008-09-12 16:57:59Z

Hi Albert
I'm not sure where the link is but we may well have relatives in common. There were a few branches of Tays in Birmingham in 1800s, often in metal trades, others were butchers. I suspect they all come from a common root but we would need to know parents of Stephen Tay b. c1812 Birmingham and if they are connected to Thomas Tay b c1772. My full family tree is on Genesreunited website but I can email you a Word document with my Tay family tree. I also had a look at your relatives in the census and note a couple of coincidences which may not mean anything, eg. Stephen Tay was a brushmaker and in 1871 lived in Vaughton St, while my great grandmother, Ellen Gregg, was a bone brush maker and lived in Vaughton St in 1861 with her parents. She later married Henry Tay, who built up a small brass business into a company.
Chris Tay speedy9491 @ yahoo. com

Re: Origin of surname Tay

ALBERT_TAY — 2008-09-09 15:38:38Z

Christine:
I find by reading your post, I am parallelling your family
back ground. My ggrandfather Stephen Tay was born in Birmingham in 1844 and worked in a brass factory. My grandfather, Edwin Tay, one of five children was born in Birmingham in July 1872. He migrated to the United States
in the 1890's and married my grandmother in 1901. I too felt there is a scottish origin somewhere in our family line. If you are interested in any of the information I have, I will gladly send it to you.

Albert Tay

Re: Origin of surname Tay

ChristineTay1 — 2008-08-18 23:36:53Z

See my earlier entry re Tay surname but now can confirm one branch of Tays definitely located early on in the 17th and 18th century, maybe earlier, in Warwickshire/ Worcestershire/ Staffordshire areas particularly localities of Studley (Worcs), Redditch, later moving to Aston in Central Birmingham and Kings Norton. Also some agricultural folk in the area eg. Wytham. Some confusion in census data as parts of Worcestershire became Warwickshire.
However, I am not sure whether these people may have relocated from other areas originally to access work opportunities generated in those counties during Industrial Revolution. Certainly my branch of the Tay family seem fairly humble to start with, farmers etc and with some jobs such as under slaughterman!! But eventually due to the industrial growth, my ggrandfa owning a large Birmingham factory and becoming very prosperous.
There are also some much earlier mentions of Tays in Essex including some knights and gentry! If you do Google search you will bring these up.
Note that various Tay family groups may not necessarily be related as name is a simple one and could easily be distorted version of other names such as Tye/Tee while being transcribed by census collectors.
For some years in our family we believed our paternal relatives were originally from Scotland where there is a beautiful River and Loch Tay, as well as famous Tay Bridge disaster. My uncle had been contacted by an American tourist after WWII who told him that there had been six or so brothers who moved down from Scotland to the Birmingham area. However, I have no other current evidence of this but will research it a little.
Christine Tay

Re: William Tay -May, 25, 1795 Monday , Independent Chronicle Universal Advertiser

17oliver — 2008-06-18 02:49:34Z

is there a james & margaret cain around 1850 ny their daughter marion n cain she is my grandmother 1898-1935 she had two sons ck the cenus starting with 1900 ny mcain

Re: William Tay -May, 25, 1795 Monday , Independent Chronicle Universal Advertiser

17oliver — 2008-06-18 02:49:29Z

is there a james & margaret cain around 1850 ny their daughter marion n cain she is my grandmother 1898-1935 she had two sons ck the cenus starting with 1900 ny mcain

Re: Origin of surname Tay

2005-08-10 13:11:01Z

Is Wombourne a real place? I say this because our city, Woburn, was frequently misspelled as it was written down. We have records of it spelled Wobourne which is very close to what you wrote. So if Wombourne is not an actual place, they may have meant Woburn, MA.

Re: Origin of surname Tay

jcooke145 — 2005-06-05 10:55:11Z

Tim, I am relatively new to this but have started looking into my Father's real family since he was adopted at birth. His mother was an Ina Constance Tay born 11-12-1890. Her dad was a Harry Tay, a butcher from Wombourne and was born about 1864, but so far I haven't been able to find any more.
Are you part of the same extended family ? Perhaps you may have some information that may help me in my research ? Thanks, Jane

Francis Tay & Nathaniel Bruce

Jan_Cafarelli — 2005-04-18 06:22:31Z

Can anyone fill in anything more on the Francis Tay who died 8-3-1837 who married Nathaniel Bruce on 5-2-1816. They had Frances 1817,Infant 1818,Nathaniel 1819,Mary 1821,Caroline 1824,Sarah 1826,Joseph 1828, Joseph 1830,Joseph 1831,Joseph 1833 anf Francis 1837..Nathaniel Sr was a farmer in Mont Vernon,NH He married second Lucy Butterfield in 1847

Any information on Francis and her family and parents would be appreciated.
Thanks
Jan

Tays from Woburn, MA

2004-12-17 01:44:22Z

If anyone needs information on the Tays of Woburn from as early as the late 1600's, let me know. I've done quite a bit of research since they owned my land and possibly my house which dates from that period. Email me at jcirie4188@aol.com if you'd like info. Also if anyone has info on the Tays of Woburn, I'd be interested in getting that as well. Thank You John

Re: Tay family of Woburn MA

2004-07-13 04:54:01Z

I have a great deal of information on several generations of Tays who lived in North Woburn. In fact, on my land and possibly in my house! in the 1700's. if anyone is interested, let me know. Thanks John

Re: Origin of surname Tay

2004-02-21 00:24:27Z

the tay's (also spelt theys tey tais tea tee etc)were a large and important family in the area around colchester in essex england from about 1300 to 1550 when they no longer produced a male heir and became much less well documented my branch of the family come from near birmingham uk and i have tried to find their origin but cannot so far get back before tobias tay born 1798 ther are a few mentions of tays in scotland but far fewer than in england and it seems the river loch etc have little to do with peoples surname but if you know better please let me know ps i am a tay but changed my name for family reasons

Herman Samuel TAY

haven533 — 2004-01-13 02:54:39Z

from a booklet titled "Ten Years With the Class of 1903 Chelsea High School Chelsea Massachusetts 1903-1913"

Tay, Herman Samuel
82 McLellan St., Dorchester, Mass

Graduated from Harvard in 1907. Spent a few years at some Southern College teaching, and then entered Harvard Law School. He is a student there at present."

William Tay -May, 25, 1795 Monday , Independent Chronicle Universal Advertiser

BelindaKent50 — 2003-02-26 17:12:36Z

I have an old newspaper that has a notice.

Notice is hereby given,
That the subscribers have been duly appointed Executors, of the last Will and Testment of William Tay, late of Woburn, in the county of Middlesex, yoeman, deceased, and have taken upon them that thrust, by giving bonds as the Law directed, & all Persons having any Demands upon the Estate of said deceased are requested to bring in the same; and those who are indebted thereto, to make payment to: Jonathan Tay, without delay, William Tay, Jonathan Tay (Executors)- all three
(Sherburn- ?faded), April 7, 1795

This paper was published in Boston by Adams and Larkin , printers to the commonwealth of Massachusetts at the printing- office , opposite the Court-House , Court Street
The paper cost 2 dollars and 50 cents per ann. (back then)
Vol. XXVII no. 1482
no page numbers.
It was written with f's instead of s's so I have changed this to make it easier to read. Belinda

Rebecca TAY

MaryQ — 2003-02-24 18:50:34Z

Does anyone know of Rebecca Tay "of Woburn" or her ancestors? She married Nathan Pearson of Wilmington, MA on 21 Oct. 1762. No sign of her in Woburn vital records.Thanks.

Re: Origin of surname Tay

2002-04-21 09:44:07Z

The origin of the surname TAY comes from Scotland. There is a river and a valley named Tay, located near Dundee.
With kindly regards
Doris Meinken-Jaeggi, Germany

Tay Family

NYSLS — 2002-01-23 21:49:49Z

Looking for information on and/or family of Edward Tay of Birmingham England from about
1825 on.

Tay origin

2001-07-14 10:30:53Z

As pointed out by Justin, Tay is a common Chinese name. It is also found in Birmingham (at least one family with butchers shops) and possibly in Essex.

There is a Loch and River Tay in Scotland which may or may not be the origin of the European Tays. If anyone has any more info let us know. My brother (Tim) is doing a geneology search but with little luck so far.

Tay family of Woburn MA

kjhh41 — 2001-06-24 01:03:56Z

Wishing to corr/exchange info concerning Phebe ("Edee") Tay m. John Sheldon Center d. abt. 1825 White Creek, WASHINGTON, NY.kjhh41@hotmail.com John Hutchins

family search

2001-01-02 09:43:41Z

I am a Tay but for family reasons changed my name . my dad came from birmingham england called paul tay b1915 his dad harry tay b circa 1872 in bimingham and his dad was henry tay b ?I am trying to research my family name/history on a very limited budget and wonder if you hav e any link with the names I have given

family search

2001-01-02 09:42:50Z

we have a John Tay in family tree

2000-11-04 18:03:41Z

john b 1824 in England
m Martha Allen b 1821 in England
moved to Perth Co Lower Canada abt 1847

Tay surname

2000-05-11 10:43:59Z

The Tay surname mainly originates in South east China and is also very common in Malaysia and Singapore due to emigration from China. I live in England and have also come across the surname with origins in West Wales, near Swansea, i hope this is of use.

Origin of surname Tay

2000-04-07 22:32:50Z

Does anyone know the origin of the Tay surname?

TAY

2000-03-02 20:15:09Z

This message is for John Hutchins. Saw your message re TAY. See mine. Here is some additional infor for you. On the list of "Irish To America 1846-1865" there are three individuals with the name TAY.

John Tay, age 25, arrived on Sept 22, 1859, on the Ship Constitution in New York. He was a carpenter. His POE was from Liverpool.

The second person is Mary Tay. She was 22 and arrived on June 22, 1846, on the ship Oneco out of Liverpool. Her occupation is unknown.

The third person is Patrick Tay. He was 20 and arrived on March 22, 1851 on the ship St. George out of Liverpool. His occupation is unknown.

Hope this is some help. Julius J. Spohn, 328 Eighth St., Jersey City, NJ 07302

My Great-Grandfather NEAL TAY (Cornelius Tighe)

2000-03-02 19:41:10Z

Trying to find any infor on my great-grandfather Cornelius TIGHE (NEAL TAY). He was born in Ireland sometime either 1925 or 1935. I have conflicting dates. He came to America sometime around 1850. He had three sons and a daughte - John T. Tighe, Patrick J. Tighe, William Tighe, and Eunice Ellen Tighe. I can't find any information on Cornelius Tighe. However, on the baptism ctfs for the three son's, it lists their father as NEAL TAY (I guess this is the name he went by in Ireland). Also, on the Griffiths Valuation record I find a NEAL TAY who comes from County Donegal around the same time I am looking for - 1840-1850s. Cornelius was married to Bridget Heffernan. I don't know if they were married in Ireland or in the US. The boys were baptized in a church in Rahway, NJ and the family eventually settled in Newark, NJ. If anyone has any info on NEAL TAY, or Cornelius Tighe, I'd greatly appreciate hearing from you. Thanks. Julius J. Spohn, 328 Eighth Street, Jersey City,NJ 07302