My family came from Uersfeld, Germany in two groups. The first arrived in 1842, Maria Elizabeth Theiss Theisen Dec.27,1810, her husband Peter Theisen 1805, Their children Phillip, Catherine, Maria, Louis, and her brothers Friedrich Gottfried Theiss May 30, 1821and Jacob Theiss Oct. 30, 1825 too Elyria, Ohio in 1842. In 1843 brothers Philipp Nov. 14, 1816, Heinrich Jan. 30, 1819 and his wife Barbara Hoffman Theiss Dec. 25, 1824 arrived in Elyria.They lived there 12 yrs before some moved on to Wisconsin in 1855. Their parents were Johann Conrad Theiss Mar. 15, 1784, born in Gruendelbach, christened in Werlau as were his 11 brothers and sisters, his wife Maria Margagetha Rheinganss Apr. 16, 1787, Rheinboellen. His parents were Philipp jacob Theiss, Nov. 13, 1739, christened in Werlau, and his wife Anna Maria Hilgert, His parents were Philipp Theiss and Anna Catharina Knapp no dates. This is where I need help looking for dates and data showing how Philipp's father Johann Friedrich Theiss no dates is the same or son of Johann Friedrich theiss married Nov. 15, 1698 in Werlau to Elisabetha Gertraud Napp, The LDS records states they are relatives. There aren't any records of the family before !698 in Werlau, Gruendelbach, St. Goar area. I have found some of my relatives in other's family trees, but because the records had misspelled their names they also had the wrong spelling. The census had Tice, Theis, Teis, Thaess, Tyson, most while in Elyria, Ohio and Sheboygan Co, WI. They then moved to South Dakota, then to Washington. The recorder would spell it as it sounds but it is Theiss. Also some of the German records misspelled it as Theis and Theisen. In Germany it was spelled with the hard s (sz) symbol.