I am so excited about this information, I never thought to look for them in Canada!

The source for Frederick and Henry being in Lord Dunmore's War comes from Frederick's pension papers that he filed in 1830. Here is what some of it says

IN Abstracts of Rev War Pension Files: Winter, Frederick, PA service in 1774 & VA line service in the Rev, sol was b in 1756 in the state of NY, he lived in the part of VA that became KY when he enl, he appl 24 Mar 1834 in Wilson Co., TN.

Most of what we know about Frederick Winters comes from his pension papers. Frederick tells us that sometime in 1774 he entered the service of the United States as a volunteer and went into Captain Cars Company in the State of PA to march against the Seneca and Mohawk Indians. This would have been at the same time period as "Lord Dunmore's War" Shortly after he volunteered, his corps was attacked by a party of Seneca Indians and he and his brother Henry and two other men were taken prisoners. He does not mention his brother again. He was taken by the Senecas to Niagara and then across the Saint Lawrance river where he was then held for almost 6 years. He tells us that he underwent many hardships and severe privations.

Frederick escaped and made his way to Fort Pitt and then on to the Western Part of Virginia which is now Kentucky where he again volunteered and went into Captian Irving's Company as a mounted gunner in the Militia on the Virginia line. Although he doesn't remember the number of the regiment his officers were Col. Canady and General Logan.

Frederick tells of joining Captain Irvine at Paint Lick in Madison Co., KY (It was Lincoln Co., Virginia at the time) and marched to Limestone Ferry on the Ohio River,(modern days Maysville) then to old Chilocothe (today this is Xenia, OH) This was the Shawnee Indian village and the men were sent there to wipe them out. The Shawnee had caused much trouble for the frontiersmen of KY urged on by the British. Afterwhich they marched to Blue Jacket Town (Blue Jacket was an Indian Chief that moved his people to Mad River Tributary at what is now Bellefontaine, OH in 1777)
Blue Jacket was a white man who had been taken captive and lived his life with the Indians. The battle here at Blue Jacket town left Fredericks, Captian killed. After this battle his company marched back the way they came. This tour of duty lasted two months

Frederick was home in Paint Lick three weeks when he was drafted and went into service again as a private. He was under Col. Whitley this tour. From Paint Lick they went to Crab Orchard then to Holston River and then on the Danville, stayed a short time and was then discharded. This tour was three weeks in duration.

Frederick then volunteered as a spy with John Wacle in the malitia in the Virginia Line. He had moved to Slate Iron Works in Clark Co., KY (Which was Virginia at the time) From here Frederick marched to Licking River then to Cumberland Mountain then to the Wilderness Trace back to Crab Orchard and then home he was gone two weeks stayed home 1 week and was once again on the road as a spy. Frederick did this several times and then went back into the service as a private.

In all Frederick served 6 yrs 9 mo and 3 wks in the service of the United States.(that is if you count the time he says he was in captivity)

In the book "First Census of KY 1790" Frederick Winters is listed twice for Madison Co., KY 3/14/1789


In Feb. 1789 Frederick marries Prudence Pepper in Madison Co., KY . By 1810 they are living in Cumberland Co., KY, 1820 he has moved to Monroe Co., KY and is listed there in the Tax rolls till 1827. In 1830 he is listed in the Census for Wilson Co., TN and with 7 slaves. He also marries again to Mary Dickerson. When and where Prudence died is still unknown.

Several things could have happened here. 1. The brothers could have been taken captive in the Dunmore War where they were fighting the Indians, but when the Rev War began they stayed loyal to the Crown and fought with them. Sometime in 1779 or 1780 Frederick decided he wanted to go back to Kentucky and when he was old and the Govenment was handing out pensions to the Vets he signed up to get his, only his was rejected. OR they were taken hostage and when he was able to get away he did, but somehow I don't think this happened. I'd like to get a look at the record for a Frederick Winter in Butler's Rangers.

Did Heinrich and Catherina move to Canada? Did they die there?

This is what I have on Johan Georg and Anna Maria Bacus Winters parents

Henirch Winters was a Palatine living on Livingston's Manor in 1709 listed along with 38 others from there for volunteers in the expedition against Canada in 1711. This expedition was organized to try and stop the frequent raids on Albany and surrounding areas by the French and Indians during King Hendrick's War. The expedition, under Colonel Nicholson had travelled only as far as Wood Creek near Lake George when they learned that a British fleet, sent to attack Quebec and fortify their force of 2,000 men, had foundered in the St. Lawrence River. The expedition returned to Albany in August of 1711, a failure. The lists of men from Annsberg and Queensbury can be found in "The Documentary History of the State of New York, Vol. III, by E.B. O'Callaghan, printed by Weed, Parsons & Co., Albany, N.Y., 1850. Most US libraries have the full set of O'Callaghan's history which runs to, I think, 8 volumes.
Bernard Young

They left England the 25th of December, 1709, and after a six months' tedious voyage reached New York in June, 1710. The voyage was longer than usual because of heavy storms. The crowed quarters, the foul air and insufficient food, made them easy prey of disease, and many died. Upon landing, the survivors were encamped in tents they had brought with them from England. Here they remained till late in autumn, when about fourteen hundred were moved one hundred miles up the Hudson River, to Livingston Manor. The Walborn, Batdorf, Feg and Risch families were among those settled at Livingston Manor. The were under indenture to serve Queen Anne as grateful subjects, to manufacture tar and raise hemp, in order to repay the expenses of their transportation and cost of subsistence. The experiment was a complete failure, and the Germans, being unjustly opressed, became disatisfied with their treatment and their situation. Our ancestors were among the one hundred and fifty families who, in order to escape the certainty of famishing, left late in the autumn of 1712, for schoharie Valley, about sixty miles north-west of Livingston Manor.

July 1711, he was one of the Palatine Volunteers in the Annesbury and Queensbury Expedition against Canada. Annsburg, in what was called the East Camp, located on the east side of the Hudson River about where the present site of the city of Germantown, Dutchess County, now stands. He fought with the English against the French at Montreal and also in the defense of Albany.

The Palatine Families of NY 1710 by Henry Z. Jones, Jr. Volume II page 1103, 1104 lists Henrich and Anna Maria Winter and children
Henry Winter
Year: 1709
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1669
Place: London, England
Family Members: Son 13; Son 6; Daughter 11; Daughter 14
Source Publication Code: 5013
Primary Immigrant: Winter, Henry
Annotation: Four London lists of Palatines from Germany, 1709, copied from a manuscript in the British Museum, London. See also nos. 4772-4773, "Lists of Germans..."; no. 3990, Knittle; and no. 9214, Tribekko and Ruperti.
Source Bibliography: MacWETHY, LOU D. "List of Palatines in 1709." In The Book of Names. St. Johnsville [NY]: The Enterprise and News, 1933, pp. 75-111. Reprinted by Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1985.
Page: 101

Outline Descendant Report for Henrich Winters
1 Henrich Winters b: 1669 in Germany, d: Dutchess, New York, USA
...... + Anna Maria Unknown b: Germany, d: Dutchess, New York, USA
............2 Maria Catharina Winters b: Abt. 1695 in Germany
............ + Johan Jacob Zerbe m: Abt. 1717 in Queensburg,Schoharie,NY
..................3 Anna Kunigunda Zerbe b: 11 Jan 1717/18 in Queensburg,Schoharie Co., NY, d: 1812
..................3 Johannes Zerbe b: Oct 1719 in Queensburg, Schoharie Co., NY
..................3 Peter Zerbe b: Jul 1721 in Columbia, East Camp, NY, d: 19 Feb 1796
..................3 Elizabeth Zerbe b: Abt. 1723 in East Camp Livington Manor, NY
..................3 Maria Barbara Zerbe b: 20 Nov 1725 in Queensburg, Schoharie Co., NY, d: Rowan, NC
..................3 Catharina Zerbe b: 1727 in East Camp Livington Manor, NY
............2 Johannes Winters b: Bef. Jul 1710
............2 Johann Georg Winters b: Bef. Apr 1711 in Germany
............ + Anna Margreta Backus b: 1705, m: 25 Sep 1721 in Kingston Ref. Church Ulster Co., NY
..................3 Johannes John Kurtz Backus Winters b: 21 Aug 1732 in NY
.................. + Margaretha Meyer m: 14 Mar 1758 in Reinbeck, NY
..................3 Henrich Winters b: Bet. 1721–1736 in NY
.................. + Catharina /Passon Bason b: Bet. 1721–1740, m: Bef. 1756 in NY
........................4 Frederick Winters b: 11 Mar 1756 in Red Hook, NY, d: Aft. 1835
........................ + Prudence Pepper m: 1789 in Madison Co., KY, d: Bef. 1830
..............................5 Henry Winters b: Bet. 1784–1794 in KY

I will send more later. I have a picture of my GGrandfather who was born in 1827 I can send you. Do you have any pictures?

Do you live in Canada? I'm in Wichita, KS

Sheila